I am suffering from a severe Scar-content-deficiency. This helps
@MattBaker-o7
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@steezymnk
2 жыл бұрын
I have the same deficiency
@herrojason
2 жыл бұрын
i miss scar.
@oceanwaves83
2 жыл бұрын
How unfortunate to come down with such a rare condition!
@oceanwaves83
2 жыл бұрын
@@winniebobinnie34 Lol my joke was funnier 🤣
@dhaxiskhadhammer
2 жыл бұрын
The Toph/Scar argument like an old married couple. So genuine, so funny.
@coriamon123
2 жыл бұрын
Scar was a really good guest for this content! He’s always been the best at telling a story and framing events in history.
@MeinNameLol
2 жыл бұрын
They should get Wife in there, too :o)
@rat4992
Жыл бұрын
@@MeinNameLolSUCH A GOOD IDEA
@danielbojkovski723
2 жыл бұрын
Biggest upset: Toph vs the sunlight's current position on his face.
@aaronhoang6233
2 жыл бұрын
Surprised they didn’t talk about PPU Hbox at apex. That upset was start of the Marth discussion and pivot tippers
@ballertheking1038
2 жыл бұрын
that upset was crazy.
@jslay666
2 жыл бұрын
This video will be outdated by the eventual upset of "Toph vs whoever the first person to beat him at Melee Jeopardy is"
@t3cchan
2 жыл бұрын
PP's reactions to Toph and Scar arguing semantics had me DYING
@tysonfontanez
2 жыл бұрын
"His existence itself is san upset" lol I mean, true. Yoshi is not supposed to succeed and yet now in 2022 we have aMSa as a top 5 player in the world
@DSWiifan
2 жыл бұрын
Not earth shattering nor talked about but I will always remember mattdotzeb beating leffen
@ballertheking1038
2 жыл бұрын
its so bafflingly fun.
@TheAMersOFFICIAL
2 жыл бұрын
I think very clearly the upset that stands out to me is Armada over Mango at Genesis 1. Armada being doubted by all of the American Smashers, makes a massive run over DSW, M2K, Mango to make it to WSG out of basically nowhere to effectively reignite melee as a global esport. I think without Armada doing what he does you don't have the same scene that exists all around the world today. Armada showed the world that the US wasn't unbeatable and that you can come from a small scene, put work in and beat the best.
@texhnolyze03
2 жыл бұрын
i thought the biggest wouldve been swedish vs armada but this is even more correct
@Joadchoad
2 жыл бұрын
Same could be said of M2K Mango as Scar mentions, but I suppose breakouts aren’t really what they’re looking at. Mango and Armada were clearly top 2 players at their times, it was just unknown, whereas these upsets are primarily within actual skill discrepancies The set in isolation is not necessarily as large an upset since, as you mention, Armada had already silenced most of the doubters by the time he got to Mango
@il100374
2 жыл бұрын
Nice try Armada.
@nondon3991
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that this set wasn't listed yet Prof vs Hbox was makes me think the people putting these things together don't really know melee history that much
@DJFracus
7 ай бұрын
The upset that should be there is Armada vs M2K at Genesis 1 (since Armada lost to Mango's main). They even mention that set two separate times in this video, which goes to show how important it was.
@ste_e_p
2 жыл бұрын
Wizzrobe 3-0ing Hbox at WTFox2 should've been in this. Wizzy was already getting some good results, but no Falcon had ever beaten Hbox. This was the era where Hbox was only losing to Fox-players and for it to be a 3-0 came seemingly out of nowhere.
@robertbowen5457
2 жыл бұрын
was gonna mention this too. And HBox literally upset on stage by himself staring at the floor like that Shinji Evangelion pic
@minizimi3790
2 жыл бұрын
Or the Optic one as well. My favorite SSBM set to rewatch honestly.
@ste_e_p
2 жыл бұрын
@@minizimi3790 At that point it wasn't much of an upset, though you're right it was his first regional-level 1st place over Hbox. I got to go back and watch it sometime. I've often rewatched Yahoo! Rivalries grands because of Phil/HMW's hilarious commentary
@Waffle___House
2 жыл бұрын
Albert v Hbox should’ve been on here. An unranked player beating clutch box at his peak
@_Majunior
2 жыл бұрын
I was expecting to see that on here. I don't know a crazier upset than an unranked player beating a guy who dominated the scene for 2 years. Not only that but they thought it was a bo5 instead of 3 and he still got the win
@ycz6
2 жыл бұрын
@@_Majunior The main argument against Albert-Hbox is that it happened at a tournament held on monitors, prior to lag reduction codes and a broader understanding of the relevant hardware. That said, it's definitely up there - it got 2nd place (behind Lovage-Leffen) in the Melee Stats March Madness of greatest upsets
@sdw-hv5ko
2 жыл бұрын
"He's looking clean if he's washed" is so clever and I only just now understood the joke 5 years later
@TheReeserad
2 жыл бұрын
Prof over Hbox is funny because Hbox upset Prof in PM earlier in the day. Prof said he knew he was beating Hbox in Melee after that loss. Agree that ranking though, Hbox in mid 2015 losing to fox did not feel like a massive upset at the time.
@AlexDuWaldt
2 жыл бұрын
Amsa is such a beast. Keeping Yoshi in the conversation from 2014 to 2022.
@Jsolo13
2 жыл бұрын
PewPewU vs Hbox immediately came to mind. Haven’t watched yet, but man that was so hype
@Jsolo13
2 жыл бұрын
Lol RIP… A tier in our hearts
@MelbournePenguin
2 жыл бұрын
PP right of that bat with the 2nd clip lol did him dirty
@itsbmeGaming
2 жыл бұрын
You know someone has been around when they remember “Ken vs chillin: KEN DEFEATED”. I remember seeing that on DC++ My personal fav is aMSa vs M2K. I remember at the beginning of the match, Scar scoffs when asked what aMSa’s chances are, and then the first game aMSa loses badly which was expected. But then the following games aMSa somehow adjusts, keeps his composure and wins. aMSa imo is Melee’s Daigo.
@ghostaccountlmao
2 жыл бұрын
The thing about Magi's set with Mango was that it was a launch pad for their career. Magi kind of became household name after this.
@johno6787
Жыл бұрын
A household name you say
@Brtiki
2 жыл бұрын
the scar toph banter is soooo good LOL
@RundasTheGreat
2 жыл бұрын
Apex 2018? You sure about that?
@Dunco64
2 жыл бұрын
Man there are so many other upsets that could have been included. what a beautiful game
@InterestingPros
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who got into melee through the InnuendoStudios essay on the aMSa vs M2K upset, I personally think it's the goat, with a close runner up of n0ne over M2K
@yfidalv
2 жыл бұрын
I’m so surprised that so many people got into melee through that video, thats how i started watching melee as well
@timothypulliam2177
2 жыл бұрын
I love toph and scar on the mic together also aMSa is a living legend
@Many-names
2 жыл бұрын
If this included potential upsets (as if it was last game last stock, maybe last hit) I feel like Colbol vs Armada would be on here.
@itsyaboi1245
2 жыл бұрын
Man im starting to think more and more that armada is the GOAT. That consistency over such a long time is absolutely insane
@wusstunes
2 жыл бұрын
Scar if u don't remember magi mango that's on You
@0Scar9728
2 жыл бұрын
Scar and toph arguing like an old couple is the funniest thing ever 🤣🤣
@whittzy
2 жыл бұрын
Super excited to see Scar on here!
@catinator2
Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe Albert vs Hbox wasn’t on here
@Dave_Chrome
Жыл бұрын
aMSa vs m2k at KoC4 was the set that introduced me to Melee. Even before Big House 10, easily S. Probably S+ tier now
@andrewwebb624
2 жыл бұрын
I think the silent spectre upset counts I think armada is just johning, if you think about it silent spectre ALSO had to deal with 0.9
@il100374
2 жыл бұрын
DID THEY NOT GO OVER ALBERT VS. HBOX AT LOW TIER CITY 7???? Pretty sure Albert wasn't even ranked at the time
@captainfalconmain6576
Жыл бұрын
Upsets they didn’t mention ryobeat > wizzy at genesis 7 hboxmango at evo
@patoa3481
2 жыл бұрын
If you're gonn mention Hbox ypu should've went with Hbox vs Albert. Back then Hbox was dominant as hell and having a Falco beat him game 5 was nuts
@tehpanda64
2 жыл бұрын
kage holds a special place in my heart, I am just glad he was in the running
@7373walker
2 жыл бұрын
mods
@MeinNameLol
2 жыл бұрын
@@7373walker *message deleted by a moderator*
@g33p61
2 жыл бұрын
why do you guys care that mango beat Taj after losing to him but you guys don't even care that Ken beat chillin in losers and won the tournament
@ballertheking1038
2 жыл бұрын
because ken was the clear best player in the world and it wasn't debated while mang0 was coming back and doing it with a brand new character (also chillin didn't get 4 stocked in brutal fashion)
@maelstrom218
2 жыл бұрын
My hot take: the fizzwiggle/mang0 set should be S tier. Not because it's necessarily hype the way that n0ne/m2k was, but because it's establishing the precedent of the Slippi era: that a relative unknown can take on a top 10 player and potentially pull off an upset. People tend to forget that Melee's LAN nature made the game incredibly insular for well over a decade--places were region locked, competition was sparse if you weren't living in a major metropolitan area, and it was difficult to learn and improve without the propagation of content that YT now provides. Slippi and UnclePunch has basically upended the entire Melee paradigm. Now that people have spent their 2+ COVID years grinding on Slippi, regions are less of a thing, overall skill level has increased, and new names are up-and-coming. So yeah, fizzwiggle's win itself isn't mindblowing. But what it represents? It's in S, for sure.
@rupmatt
2 жыл бұрын
I think it's too soon to tell. Mang0 is also bustering out lately due to not feeling much passion for the game. we don't ha e enough future data to tell if this is really setting a precedent or not.
@falcojp2548
2 жыл бұрын
GG blessing us once again
@yfidalv
2 жыл бұрын
I think its so cool that they ended up choosing the same set that Innuendo Studios focuses on in the “Things of Beauty” video on melee; it really is such an iconic set
@muqmanor
2 жыл бұрын
Mang0/Magi might not be the most iconic upset of all time, but I think there's a strong argument for it being the biggest. A previously-unranked player beating top 2 in one of his strongest matchups, with maybe the biggest "perceived" skill differential ever seen at the time. Insane
@ballertheking1038
2 жыл бұрын
Magi was rank 98. Not unranked.
@Wowverycrazy
Жыл бұрын
@@ballertheking1038 97
@deadwatchalt
2 жыл бұрын
Scar is a legend
@FirePuff12
2 жыл бұрын
No the Falcon was set 1, Falco Puff was set 2.
@Liimbozo
2 жыл бұрын
Armada vs Swedish was definitely the smallest upset in terms of player skill difference, he was top 10 in the world at the time. But purely in terms of melee history alone it is easily one of the greatest upsets of all time.
@ichewbuds
2 жыл бұрын
god I love scar so much
@tewr024
2 жыл бұрын
SCAR! BOBBY SCARDUZIO!!!!
@concerted8545
2 жыл бұрын
scar and toph are a great power couple
@20102010b
2 жыл бұрын
Scars C is Toph's B? Toph confirmed power bottom?
@AutumnReel4444
2 жыл бұрын
LOVE Scar TOoph married bitching LOL. Amazing!
@wattenleagueofficial
2 жыл бұрын
I see Mister Bobby Scar-Newman and I press like
@BrynIE1127
2 жыл бұрын
I wish scar would just talk forever, about whatever, just speak your mind, Robert
@yoshisbro08
2 жыл бұрын
24:36 Toph and Scar couple moment. Lmao, how you know they are bffs!
@ballertheking1038
2 жыл бұрын
HOW IS ALBERT VS HBOX NOT ON THE LIST??
@ballertheking1038
2 жыл бұрын
albert was LITERALLY UNRANKED beating the best player in the world and beat him in a BO5.
@_Majunior
2 жыл бұрын
@@ballertheking1038 yeah kind of ridiculous. Greatest upset imo
@DJFracus
7 ай бұрын
There was a lot of criminal omissions. Armada vs M2K at Genesis 1 was massive. They even mention it a couple of times in the video, that's how influential it was.
@maplecinna3979
2 жыл бұрын
I knew Scar was both a dangerous and correct pick for this one.
@Hugo_Prolovski
2 жыл бұрын
alternative titel: toph touching his hair for 30 minutes straight
@SoLinkSmash
2 жыл бұрын
Day 44 of asking GG Melee to make a compilation of every time n0ne says “Zain...” like a disappointed parent
@AdzNecromancer
2 жыл бұрын
Albert v. Peak Hbox should have been on this list.
@compulsoryevacuationdevice
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. My favorite upset was Oscar/Leffen. I remember the end of the last game when Oscar hit a random fsmash and leffen totally gave up for the rest of the set. You could see his still getting crushed in real time. Amazing set
@fwiji9598
2 жыл бұрын
I need more Scar on this channel
@SunsetInStone
2 жыл бұрын
When Toph wheeled out PLATO I completely lost it.
@HidenLotus-
2 жыл бұрын
The lovage leffen set was great for the ditto meta, i would go with A because Foxes started implementing full hop drill after this. Especially Leffen
@daxmoney5011
Жыл бұрын
What toph and scar said about armada is honestly facts. I could see like a n0ne,s2J,llod,Axe even take a set off of armada
@DigitaIJustice
2 жыл бұрын
More Scar! More Scar! More Scar!
@m-a-t-t6869
2 жыл бұрын
Scar the goat. Miss him
@TheSpaceOpera
2 жыл бұрын
I lost my fucking MIND when I saw the aMSa m2k set. And scar’s commentary made it so good. Agreed, it is THE video I show people when I show them an upset in melee
@holyfriedmonkey
2 жыл бұрын
Any scar is good scar 👍
@turtlep1829
2 жыл бұрын
I see a lack of Harry poggers on here
@dinospumoni5611
2 жыл бұрын
In the future please let PPMD talk more, you keep talking over him and he's overwhelmingly more insightful as a top player.
@stayontrack
2 жыл бұрын
Peepee was 10 years younger in 2012 but back then he looked 10 years older than how he looks now
@honsly1
2 жыл бұрын
More Scar!
@dailysolve
2 жыл бұрын
Love scar
@jahile
Жыл бұрын
“A Yoshi?!”
@minizimi3790
2 жыл бұрын
I'm really surprised Leffen vs Plup Samus and Hbox vs Wizzy (Optic Arena) wasn't on here. Those were the first two that came to mind, and were each pretty big. I do love the Amsa vs M2K one though.
@pauldaulby260
2 жыл бұрын
If Swedish didn’t beat armarda, armada would still be considered the goat. And that’s why it’s the biggest upset of all time
@zenothys9119
2 жыл бұрын
“It’s Lud and Slime” *Cuts out 10 minutes of trash talking*
@JimKongJones
2 жыл бұрын
Yo fellas thank you for the uploads! Long format suits y'all pretty well. Keep up the good work fr.
@AndrewRKenny
2 жыл бұрын
They definitely picked the best one IMO. That set was mindblowing.
@wetherly
2 ай бұрын
Toph spamming interjections on wake-up
@SKITZ_MONEY
2 жыл бұрын
I think the asteroid was the biggest upset in dinosaur history
@stayontrack
2 жыл бұрын
mango upstets are low tier af imo, scar definitely right on that magi upset
@SkillsofAWESOMENESS
2 жыл бұрын
Harry Pogger vs Hbox was absolutely snubbed
@Gabaghoul
2 жыл бұрын
I think the armada silentspectre set should be S because of how often it was talked about years after. Every time armada went to game 5 and just barely beat a non-top 6 player (s2j, axe, wizzy, etc), people *always* mentioned how it hasn’t happened since silentspectre. Maybe that doesn’t impact the ranking of the upset very much idk
@KevinHernandez-xd3ch
2 жыл бұрын
Scarrrrrrre
@ohDJ_
2 жыл бұрын
Criminal that fizz-mango is in the same tier as zain-plup. How is someone who is not even ranked top 100 beating rank 1 or 2 in the same tier as someone who is rank 66 beating rank 6?
@MelbournePenguin
2 жыл бұрын
honorable mention: hmw vs plup
@brycematthew3115
2 жыл бұрын
Chillin vs. Ken looks like the novice channel of melee online lol.
@dantespekken3549
2 жыл бұрын
How was Fizzwiggle > Mang0 in, but not Jmook > iBDW
@michiganisthebeststate1081
2 жыл бұрын
He beat plup to get there and plup and ibdw are around the same skill level so that's why it wasnt that big of an upset.
@mlgmcdonaldsland7063
2 жыл бұрын
Bobby Toph collab 😍
@PalPlays
2 жыл бұрын
All three of these people are great. I've only ever had a chance to chat with Kevin back in the day. Glad to see these pillars of the community standing strong!
@vilain8037
2 жыл бұрын
Imo, Swedish's upset versus Armada isn't the start of anything. It's more like the Lovage vs Leffen thing. Plus, it was BO3.
@KFN1A2A3
2 жыл бұрын
I love these kind of videos, but sometimes it feels like they rank clips based on other stuff than what they're supposed to. This video is called most "iconic" upsets. How can toph think lovage beating leffen is A and swedish beating armada B? Which one is more iconic? I just don't get it. What then does iconic mean?
@benfen97
2 жыл бұрын
I love scar!
@ThePharphis
2 жыл бұрын
The prof pro set would be more significant if he didn't also lose to hbox in PM at that same tournament, if I recall correctly... Also I'm sure it's been said, but it was EVO 2018, not apex 2018!
@yahalloo6427
2 жыл бұрын
SCARRR
@cjkmelee
2 жыл бұрын
I remember coming back to my college from a visit home, it was a Sunday and I had forgotten my ID card so I couldn't get into my dorm. I went into the basement of the library to connect to wifi and catch the end of KoC. The Amsa M2K set was about to start. by the end of the set I was being so loud they found me in the basement and made me leave. I'll never forget the hype
@ProfCube
2 жыл бұрын
Toph and scar Pog
@hanyun287
2 жыл бұрын
The People’s Champion pog
@bbzoznova
2 жыл бұрын
Actually chilln ken isn't that big because it happened so early in Ken's career. I think the biggest Ken upset was KDJ
@rat4992
2 жыл бұрын
3 community staples right here. Great, GREAT video GG and thank you for the awesome videos
@vaffeldog
2 жыл бұрын
dart! vs wizzy is one of my personal favorites, but thats just my opinion and maybe some illinois bias. that being said, amsa vs m2k is still one of my favorite sets of all time
@chanegun
2 жыл бұрын
Damn I wanted to know what PP was going to say about his loss to Javi. I wish Scar didn’t cut him off
@vajmuasvids3386
2 жыл бұрын
Skill wise, m2k over leffen at pax might not be an upset, but the fact that m2k played all his characters and it was a 6-0 makes it an upset to me that should be on this list.
@ballertheking1038
2 жыл бұрын
no.
@MrBVS74
2 жыл бұрын
It was an upset in the sense that the narrative around the set was that Leffen was supposed to wash M2K. He had won tournaments over M2K, Armada, Hbox and Mango all within a few months and everyone was calling him the undisputed best in the world. Then the 6-0 happened and kind of just ended the conversation. Not to mention it was a time when M2K was considered by far the weakest god.
@dantespekken3549
2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to say that the Swedish v Armada upset ushered in a wave of A level players getting god tier tech skill and that the top player pool got wider because of it, when, around this same time, Hbox became the clear number 2 and then number 1 when Armada left. On the one hand, there is more depth in players with the increased tech skill and everyone is getting closer. On the other hand, the guy that couldn't jump cancel grab was number one in the world
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