A few clarifications / updates: You can actually use Arm + RISC-V-just, one of each core for a frankenmonster microcontroller. Can't use all four at the same time. MicroPython has released two preview UF2s, one for the Arm cores, and one for the RISC-V cores. As many have pointed out (thanks!) RP2040 was QFN-56, RP2350A QFN-60, so the pinout is slightly different (so not an exact drop-in replacement). I don't know about ADC quality improvements or some of the other details many have asked about, so please check in on the Pi forums and in other reviews for more data-this video is meant to be a quick overview to introduce the things that mattered to me in my beginner-level use of microcontrollers :)
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Oh and yes, it doesn't have USB-C ;) There are some other 3rd party boards that add that, and an ever-useful reset button :)
@petertrypsteen
Ай бұрын
If you can only use the ARM or RISC-V cores, why didn't they make multi-ISA cores?
@RayBellis
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling an important new feature given the popularity of the RP2040 in retro integrations is 5V tolerant GPIOs, albeit the chip does have to be powered up first.
@chris-tal
Ай бұрын
Frankenmonster glued together by IPC? 🙃That's an interesting concept.🤔
@petertrypsteen
Ай бұрын
@@chris-tal Even more interesting would be cores supporting multiple ISAs with microcode or within the instructions decoder(s) of the core(s) themselves without any Frankenmonster 'gluing' together multiple cores with some sort of 'IPC'.
@RobotMan2412
Ай бұрын
I do think it's important to mention that the Hazard3 RISC-V cores in this thing are actually designed by Luke Wren, to quote Raspberry Pi "currently a Principal Engineer in the Raspberry Pi chip team". They didn't just grab some open-source RISC-V CPU; arguably, they did the opposite.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Good point-I've never met Luke, but it does look like he's been on Raspberry Pi's silicon design team for quite some time! I'm guessing he was also involved in RP1/RP2040 a bit, interesting seeing how much / how long Raspberry Pi's invested in their design process.
@jamesh9756
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Yes, he was on the RP2040 team.
@sgodsellify
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerlingi was wondering now that the pico 2 is using cortex M33 architecture, which is ARMv8, or 64 bit. However what are those 2 RISC V cores? Are they 32 bit, or 64 bit. I tried to find some information on those two Harvard 3 Risc-v cores, but I couldn't find out enough information about the RISC V cores that are inside the rp2350
@avovk1852
Ай бұрын
@@sgodsellify seems to me like 32 bit Verilog there so I would think cores are 32 bit as well
@orclev
Ай бұрын
@@sgodsellify A little googling suggests the Hazard3 is a RV32I ISA, which is 32bit.
@drgusman
Ай бұрын
I'm the dev of LogicAnalyzer, and already have ordered three Pico 2 to upgrade the project among other things :D
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
It'll be cool to see how much better projects like yours will be with the extra horsepower!
@FruchtcocktailUndCo
Ай бұрын
ReadMe updated 20 mins ago. Nice! :D Truly exciting news.
@orcu
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling , I have a short showing of some results for my Raspberry Pi Pico raytracer. I never expected this little board to perform like that. More memory will allow me a better resolution and caches.
@FlipTheTables
6 күн бұрын
So I saw this Seagate project that used 2 Risc-V chips one for encryption and the other for a computer module. Also I bought a Seagate and miss my mybook I wanted to partition the drive after it was formatted to Max since I don't have a Mac anymore and I spent 2 hours with customer service for them to say do these 6 steps I said that was the first screenshot I was already on step 5 before I bothered you.
@soyjoony
Ай бұрын
Still no usb C
@alexdev6161
Ай бұрын
Just wait for those cheaper chinese boards with USB-C and other goodies :p
@tommihommi1
Ай бұрын
that's why you buy some chinese knockoff of the pico that has everything the same, but a usb-c port. Never buying original until they switch.
@DavidChamot
Ай бұрын
SparkFun did it for them with the "SparkFun Pro Micro RP2350" released at the same time as this.
@Sim-rh4tj
Ай бұрын
Guess they wanted it to be a drop-in replacement. But the original should have had it really.
@gorgonbert
Ай бұрын
🤷♂️
@pseudotasuki
Ай бұрын
I want to point out that that Lego brick *does* actually contain an RP2040 and an OLED display. The cable coming out of the back is just the USB tether to supply power. It's an incredibly impressive project.
@petertrypsteen
Ай бұрын
Wow! An actual Lego-minifigure-scale 'computer'!
@AltCutTV
Ай бұрын
Imagine playing games with Lego hands though. 👷♀
@pseudotasuki
Ай бұрын
@@petertrypsteen Indeed! Though there's no room for I/O, so all it can really do is play animations. One neat feature is that it can be powered by the same bricks as Lego motors.
@pseudotasuki
Ай бұрын
Wait… has the USB port, and RP2040 can configure that for host mode. Maybe it actually could play games? Edit: Oh yeah, there is a capacitive touch sensor, so you could also play something like Flappy Bird.
@TheShadowCallers
20 күн бұрын
crazy we got Doom on a lego brick before GTA: 6
@Zeltraan
Ай бұрын
A Pi Pico 2 was unexpected, but it's interesting that they're using RISC-V.
@mattiskardell
Ай бұрын
i saw a forum post leaking it so for me it was expected
@MarquisDeSang
Ай бұрын
They are 5 years late to the game. During the pandemic, Risc-V cpus were always available.
@TheDuzx
Ай бұрын
It makes me think they haven't forgotten their mission. A lot of users would have prefered 4 ARM cores or even 2 cores and a lower price tag, but the RISC-V cores is a great addition for students and tinkerers. The commercial sector can probably find uses for the RISC-V cores eventually, but it's going to be more of a pain and the only reason they'll do it and stick with Raspberry Pi is becuase they have great support.
@another3997
Ай бұрын
@@MarquisDeSangWhat a load of absolute rubbish. You don't just grab a replacement ISA and throw out everything the window on a whim. It takes months of planning if not more. Risc V is completely incompatible with ARM, no existing software or projects would work with it. Plus having the ISA available isn't the same as actually designing and manufacturing a new SOC. You do understand the difference between an ISA and actual silicon products? Contrary to your belief, the chip fabs that produce RiscV had exactly the same problems as everyone else.
@MarquisDeSang
Ай бұрын
@@TheDuzx want it or not, the only possible future on computing is Risc-V. They can wait until they have no other choice or do it slowly like they are doing. Just like Linux is the future, not windows. You can stay on Windows/ARM/X64, but you are on a sinking ship.
@RomansFiveDotEight
Ай бұрын
"Until next time, I'm Jeff Geerling" Who are you going to be next time? The suspense is killing me.
@Velocifyer
Ай бұрын
i was wondering that too
@StarkRG
Ай бұрын
At some point he might be Geoff Gearling
@mcbot6291
29 күн бұрын
Until Jeff Geerling, he IS next time
@RadikAlice
20 күн бұрын
Red Shirt Jeff, obviously
@user-kw8kh8dg3h
13 күн бұрын
Dzheff Gearling
@jackhildebrandt7797
Ай бұрын
Dang, I wish they'd put usb c on them. Still looks cool though! Excited about RISC-V
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Yeah; for that, there are 3rd party options at least... but hopefully next generation! The Zero's still stuck on micro USB too.
@Log4Jake
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Thanks didn't know that!
@jayrosgameboymodz5438
Ай бұрын
@@Log4Jake Yeah, the Zero 2 is still Micro USB, for whatever reason. 3rd parties have clones with dual-USB C though.
@unicodefox
Ай бұрын
@@jayrosgameboymodz5438I assume they designed themselves into a corner by having it on the original, and not wanting to break compatibility with the original footprint
@amirpourghoureiyan1637
Ай бұрын
I remember this being asked when the Pico released - Micro USB's ubiquity and companies pretty much throwing the connectors away are why the Pico uses the connector still, Type C isn't that much more expensive in price but they aren't as abundant and Pi's factory definitely have a ton left over from the past decade.
@Oronak
Ай бұрын
I should buy one and add it to my project pile that never gets smaller for some reason
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Why buy *one* for the box in the drawer when you could buy *two*? lol, I know the feeling...
@blobbyblue02
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling this happened when i bought 5 picos and 3 pico w, i think i still have like 5 in the packaging
@MichaelSanAngelo
Ай бұрын
same. I have 3 original picos that I still don't know what I want to use them for. lol
@Ticktok_of_Oz
Ай бұрын
I actually had no intention of buying one until this video. I have so many rp2040 boards. pico, pico_w, stamp, tiny2040, feather, pico-ice(rp2040 + fpga).... and then Jeff mentioned that it finally has a solid low power mode, and I have a wearable project that I originally wanted to use the rp2040 for but had to scrap because of the high power draw. Welp, if I'm going to order 1, I guess I'll order 2 for the pile.(although I'll probably order a stamp or a feather instead of the pico)
@conorstewart2214
28 күн бұрын
@@JeffGeerling I hate only having one of a component, especially MCUs and sensors. If you build it into a project then it is very useful to have a second just for quick tests and a spare in case something breaks. I will probably get a few third party boards even though I don’t like the rpxxxx platform and especially how you program it in C.
@grizzlyrideemwet1698
Ай бұрын
RPI website claims hardware divide, single precision floating point hardware, and DSP acceleration are implemented as part of the ARM M33 core. For some apps (such as FFTs) that I commonly use, those features mean more than the small clock frequency bump. Also, one more ADC channel. Will be interested in how those pan out in real world tests.
@damiendalla-rosa2636
Ай бұрын
The M33 includes an FPU and basic support for double precision. This is a huge improvement.
@suou7938
Ай бұрын
really? i must get one then
@Rob_65
Ай бұрын
To be more specific: ARM specifies "optional single precision floating point unit" . Luckily, the FPU is included in the RP2350
@Repligon
Ай бұрын
They also have atomic instructions. No need for clunky hardware spinlocks anymore!
@BrooksMoses
Ай бұрын
Looking at Arm's Cortex-M33 programming manual, I'm not seeing any instructions for double precision other than the fact that the FPU can load and store 64-bit values into two 32-bit registers. In particular, no double-precision arithmetic. Having an FPU at all is still quite a big improvement, though!
@ParabolicLabs
Ай бұрын
Not only that but the Pico2/M33 uses Thumb2 which a massive step up for assembly programmers. Pico1/M0+ uses Thumb1 and is incredibly difficult to 'get right' because of the severely limited instruction set. I could go in to specifics, but Thumb1 has been a major pita. Everyone who's touched the M0+ at the instruction level will be grateful for this significant change.
@devnol
Ай бұрын
7:50 unexpected jeff beatboxing is always a +1 from me
@madmax2069
Ай бұрын
Bahaha
@ShizukanaEntertainment
17 күн бұрын
The home labbing community is the best. Your channel and the ones you're mentioning here and others you've highlighted in your other videos have created such a healthy, friendly, supportive and creative echo system. Well done, all of you.
@orcu
Ай бұрын
I did a raytracer for the Raspberry Pi Pico 1, and I was already impressed with the performance. I can't wait to test the same software with RPI Pico 2. I can't wait for that new amount of memory!
@angulo_
Ай бұрын
While the RP2350 is the same size as the RP2040 is not a drop-in replacement. RP2350A uses a QFN60 package whereas the RP2040 uses a QFN56, meaning 4 more pins, plus the pinout is a little different.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
True true... "sorta drop-in", didn't realize that until double-checking today!
@voutzify
Ай бұрын
Why again micro USB? :(
@mythicalforce8658
Ай бұрын
cost!! nothing else!
@ristopoho824
Ай бұрын
The connector is a bit cheaper. The board cost so little it does matter. C would be nice but eh, not that big of a deal, need to have more cables handy when doing anything with it and it's sometimes a hassle, but a couple of seconds of hassle is worth it.
@RealLava
Ай бұрын
just get a pi 5
@lis6502
Ай бұрын
so that myfriends on Aliexpress could make clones and earn their buck too ;)
@devnol
Ай бұрын
@@mythicalforce8658 Molex 2169900003 type-c and 0475900001 microusb are the same bulk price on digikey. In fact, the type-c is 0,02 cents cheaper but you also need to add a 5.1k resistor so it adds up to exactly the same. Even if it were more expensive I wouldn't give them cost as an excuse.
@SuperGamersTV35
Ай бұрын
ngl the Picoboy you mentioned in the video looks pretty sick! It's a really good price for a DIY console, especially with the discount code you provided in the description! 100% getting one! Thanks Jeff!!!
@Bruvsxtm
Ай бұрын
might have to get one too now 😅😅😅
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
@@Bruvsxtm Make sure you use the code in the description, save a little bit on it :)
@quarteratom
Ай бұрын
The Arduboy is the same project, just much older with more support. An Arduino is the same thing as a Pico, it just doesn't have the "Raspberry Pi" buzzword.
@IsmaelLa
Ай бұрын
A great take on possible transition between ISAs. Great job RPi.
@kyledross
Ай бұрын
"There's no way to disable the speaker..." Red Shirt Jeff begs to differ.
@paulstubbs7678
Ай бұрын
Hammer
@AerialWaviator
Ай бұрын
There is always a way ... however once disabled, it may not always be possible to re-enable in future.
@PeterKrull1
Ай бұрын
I think it is also exciting that the new ARM cores come with a FPU, so any signal processing heavy applications will benefit greatly from that!
@anonymouscommentator
Ай бұрын
i love this! ive always wanted to tip my toes into risc v programming and the barrier to entry has never been lower!
@alexlefevre3555
Ай бұрын
That's a really good idea to include the RISC-V cores *in addition* to familiar ARM cores. That's a beautiful way to lubricate the transition into a new world. No USB C, though. I wonder why? It is physically larger which is the only reason I can produce to stick with micro USB.
@quarteratom
Ай бұрын
USB-C isn't better than Micro-USB. Micro-USB is cheaper. Micro-USB is easier to solder too. If you want USB-C, there are tons of ESP32/Arduino boards out there with USB-C. They are the same thing as a Pico.
@k1ngjulien_
Ай бұрын
@@quarteratom skill issue?
@SianaGearz
Ай бұрын
Back when Pi Pico was introduced, nearly 4 years ago, economies of scale hadn't caught up and MicroUSB was used for cost and availability. It was difficult enough to release ANY hardware during peak COVID and absolute chaos and saturation of supply routes. Now it's just being retained for drop in compatibility. If you want there's any number of third party boards with USB C.
@ccricers
Ай бұрын
Size isn't the issue with USB-C. Waveshare uses a USB-C port in its RP2040-Zero with a fraction of the Pico board's footprint.
@CutoutClips
Ай бұрын
I think the main reason for sticking with Micro USB was to keep it as much of a drop-in replacement to the Pico as possible
@first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456
Ай бұрын
I dont think the average computer engineer realizes how awesome these pico chips are.
@jcchaconjr
Ай бұрын
"The guy with the Swiss accent"... not to mention his tiny pointing hand... I can't think about him without thinking about that tiny pointing hand! 😂 I'm looking forward to seeing more about that B version, if anything to see what the additional GPIO provides. And of course, because I'm currently working on a project with the Pico W, I can't wait for the W version of the 2 to release as well.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
I think Adafruit had the B version on their livestream earlier, first time I'd seen it!
@AerialWaviator
Ай бұрын
Excellent outtakes! Thanks for taking the time to point out so many the cool RP2040 projects that have been made already.
@grifter77
29 күн бұрын
These are the kind of risc-v cores I've been waiting for: not just open standard, but fully open source and implemented by a company with excellent support and community engagement! Great work, Raspberry Pi!
@gabrielnilo6101
Ай бұрын
2 ARM cores or 2 RISC-V cores? Faster? 2x Memory? more efficient? Just $1 more than the previous version? That is how you update your Hardware! GREAT job Raspberry Folks! Hardware Companies have to learn from them!
@Mac84
Ай бұрын
Great video Jeff, and thanks for the shout out! It's really amazing what these little micro controllers can do.👍
@Ticktok_of_Oz
27 күн бұрын
1:12 the rp2350 is not a drop in replacement for the rp2040 unfortunately. The 2040 is a qfn56 and the 2350 is a qfn60.
@trtmn
Ай бұрын
Jeff, I love your content. I also love that you point out that you're a beginner at some of this, as well as point to other creators! It shows us that you're really in it to **HELP** the community. We appreciate that. Keep up the good work, sir! ❤
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Thanks! The only way to learn is to try new things, fail, try again, fail, etc. Hopefully sometimes you succeed but sometimes you just realize something isn't really in your wheelhouse... for me, at least for now, that's low-level programming :D I stick with micropython, which can do most of what I've ever needed to do with a microcontroller!
@nikobellic570
Ай бұрын
Oh, I've just got the pun in the title. Yeah it's a risky bet!
@ggorg0
Ай бұрын
The EU must be really angry that they still didn't switch to USB-C 😂
@devnol
Ай бұрын
as **the** EU, I am, in fact furious
@vidal9747
Ай бұрын
They aren't considered a market holder, so probably there will be no problems. I guess that if they could do it cheaper for micro USB I am fine with it. It is already expensive enough as is.
@uis246
Ай бұрын
EU requires only standard plug. They don't say which standard.
@hellterminator
Ай бұрын
@@uis246 Also, AFAIK, that regulation only applies to devices with rechargeable cells inside.
@danielpicassomunoz2752
Ай бұрын
Everyone is
@JimWood28
Ай бұрын
Nice one Jeff and a big thanks for the bloopers!
@GareWorks
Ай бұрын
Now THIS is interesting. Guess I'll be buying a few to put away for future projects. After your interview, I did get the impression they were considering RISC-V, but I didn't expect it until at least this time next year, so this is quite an interesting surprise. It's not an SBC though, so it's not quite as interesting there. Being a drop-in replacement (assuming it is always that simple) is really exciting though. I'm loving all the RP2040 projects lately, especially in modding game consoles (I just installed one in my Switch last week, in fact), so hopefully this opens up a few more options for those.
@brunorodriguesmaso
Ай бұрын
great timing but I guess we need to wait for pico 2 W... (for WiFi connectivity)
@divya_
Ай бұрын
Heat shrink on the alligator clips holding the board will be appreciated.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Heh you don't like scratching them up like that? :D
@DQSoft
Ай бұрын
Looks like you missed a very big difference: the ARM cores are Cortex-M33 cores, with floating point and DSP support. That's a big improvement over the Cortex-M0+ of the RP2040.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
It's in the on-screen specs in the chart I made, didn't want to dig into the cores themselves in the script to keep things short and to the point. The other thing is I only know top-level things about the Arm core differences, but I have seen M33 cores in tons of devices over the past year, it seems like a very useful core compared to what we had on RP2040, probably easier to hack in Linux-y things too!
@duodream
Ай бұрын
Cortex M33? You mean we finally get hardware FPUs?! WOOOT!
@silversonic1
Ай бұрын
I read the title as intended and the pun was glorious.
@YonatanAvhar
Ай бұрын
I find it interesting that they decided to have both ARM and RISC-V on a single chip. I feel like one of them could be cut to make room on the silicon for more PIO blocks or more cores of the same architecture I do think it's cool they added RISC-V so you could try it out and then switch over to ARM if it doesn't work for you, but I don't think it's the most practical way to do it.
@chhavigarg16
Ай бұрын
Love the RISC-V adoption, but is that a USB-B Micro? 😕 Guess it makes sense if it's meant to be a drop-in replacement for the Pico 1.
@fujinshu
Ай бұрын
The real sauce will be when RPi drops the RP2350 (both A and B) as a single chip you can get. Can’t wait for custom keyboards to be using this!!!
@18earendil
Ай бұрын
@@fujinshuOn the Raspberry Pi blog post, they ended by presenting third party boards from official partners like Adafruit which use USB-C. They should be available over the next month.
@dailyhugedogcode9475
Ай бұрын
The Picoboy 2 looks pretty cool!
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Honestly it's a little expensive for what it is... but it's made by an indie dev, and he's doing the software, hardware, CAD, everything-it's just cool to see what an individual can do these days, and I'm happy to support that effort.
@marcogenovesi8570
Ай бұрын
All aboard the RISC-V HYPE TRAIN!
@AndrewBeals
Ай бұрын
RISC has been a thing for a long time, but time has left so very many architectures by the wayside - let's look at a company that's been in business for 28 years to see how many architectures they support: MikroTik. As of its most current release, RouterOS is available on the following CPU cores: arm, arm64, mipsbe, mmips, ppc, smips, tile, x64, and x86. The latter two are CISC of course. Those are just the more powerful ones, to say nothing of the various microcontrollers floating around out there like the NEC V850 family (V810 in the VirtualBoy) and the Atmel AVR (on the Arduino), to pick two.
@timothyvandyke9511
26 күн бұрын
One thing I love about rpi is how consistently the new versions are drop in. It’s good and thoughtful design
@ultrahalf
Ай бұрын
No usb c 😢
@ivanrlynn
Ай бұрын
it surly cant be costier
@Resus-U
Ай бұрын
It’s mind blowing
@biblbrox
Ай бұрын
It looks like they did it for backward compatibility. It seems logical
@Velocifyer
Ай бұрын
@@biblbrox but micro-b usb breaks so much
@suki4410
9 күн бұрын
No problem. There are other boards with the same chip and USB-C.
@optical_ideas
Ай бұрын
Thats interesting. Can't wait for the w-version. I always enjoy outtakes, please more of that 😄
@kaitty
Ай бұрын
Have been using a Pico for half a year as a microcontroller for a Guitar Hero guitar controller thanks to Santroller. The Pico is incredible.
@RootiferasRetroGameplay
Ай бұрын
Preordered 2 of these 10 mins ago and the video is already here! Yay!
@DoTheDiy
Ай бұрын
Wow m a big fan of your content. It was an honor seing CurrentWave D on your bench 😊
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Oh hey! Thanks for making it, I am happy to have something that improves on EEVBlog's original uCurrent design. Hopefully a few more people see the CurrentWave and pick one up too. Easier to explore microamps with it :)
@SameAsAnyOtherStranger
Ай бұрын
Anything RISC V- Hooray! I'm just basically a spectator, glad to see anything moving tech in an open direction.
@subhrapatnaik8326
Ай бұрын
Congratulations to the Raspberry Pi Foundation on the impressive achievement with the RISC-V board! Jeff, your dedication in the content to innovation and open-source technology continues to push the boundaries and inspire the tech community. This milestone of the Pi foundation is a testament to RISC V vision and commitment to making embedded computing accessible to all ❤
@jamesh9756
Ай бұрын
Raspberry Pi Ltd, not the Foundation.
@weltsiebenhundert
Ай бұрын
Typ C for the win.... .......I guess Soldering it is
@concinnus
Ай бұрын
Every USB-C port I've seen has different pads, even those that are only pinned for 2.0. So good luck.
@StariusPrime
Ай бұрын
My personal introduction to the Pi Pico was with the "PiTrex" project, which is a modern Pi powered cartridge for the classic Vectrix system. It really breathes some new life into that thing!
@gobemi5372
Ай бұрын
Thank you Jeff for this video. Pico 2 is a great addition. I'm sure this little thing will be a champion in the Pi universe!
@thegreyfuzz
Ай бұрын
I have a dozen or so Pico, Pico W, and Pico RBG boards on my bench that I have done little more than solder pins on, not even sure what the intended projects were.... now I need to get some 2's to add to the collection! Thanks Jeff, i didn't need that money anyhow. < insert project suggestions here >
@VVerVVurm
Ай бұрын
you are not alone .. 3 of my 4 Picos are still in the original package .. but I managed to connect an OLED display and a barometric pressure sensor and made it display the height.
@predabot__6778
Ай бұрын
An implementation of the MSX2+ standard, running via low-level emulation! :) And then possibly, a porting of the touted MSX3 VM64 (virtual machine for ARM-cpu's, to run code on, the msx-equivalent to the VM that android apps run on) to the Risc-V silicon on the Pico2. The VM64 is intended for ARM-devices, so a device like this, which have both types of cores, would be ideal for porting it to RISC-V. Sadly the specs and such for the VM64 has not yet been released... x_x But hey! A low-level RISC-V MSX-emulator would still be amazing.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
I only have two actually running things right now-the other 8 I bought are in a box alongside two baggies full of ESP8266 and ESP32s :D
@RK-kl3lz
Ай бұрын
I thought I was the only stupid ones - who keeps collecting electronics components, ICs, and lot more while hardly made anything apart from basic testing and some soldering. I did made some prototypes but again with tons of wires - disassemble them :(
@Kuusetsu
Ай бұрын
Probably my favorite projects from the Pico are the controllers for various arcade games, like the mai Pico, IIDX Pico, and AIC Pico. Hope that the Pico 2 will help with these!
@MrCed122
16 күн бұрын
If you're into retro gaming, one of the really cool use for a RP Pico is as a modchip. It's slowly replacing the old-school modchip because it's so much cheaper, easier to install and to update. The best example is the PicoBoot, which is for the GC. It's basically better on every aspects compared to the old hardware mods because while the more common XenoGC could only let you boot unsigned disc (so you still needed a boot disc to use homebrews and backups and a working drive), the PicoBoot can simply bypass the regular boot altogether, so you only need a SD adapter and you can remove the disc drive if you don't need it. There's also one for the Xbox, which is also apparently better than the old modchip and software mod, but I don't know much about it. There are also a lot of smaller projects, like emulating a Memory Card on the PS1 and letting you boot backups without mods, replacing the memory card of the N64 (which uses RAM and a battery), using one as a programmer to mod an Xbox 360 (a lot cheaper than the ones usually used), creating a cheap flash cart for some consoles, etc. I've even seen some projects for turning one into a capture card for some specific consoles (like the Genesis RGBlast, which convert the RGB signal into USB).
@henrivanderriet3895
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the bloopers at the end. I was sitting here wondering if I would be able to nail specs like that. I guess we're all human.😊
@AppliedCryogenics
Ай бұрын
I'm most excited about the extra PIO and double RAM! Now, we should be able to make a really great tilemap/sprite VDP for retrocomputer projects! (It's cool that hobbyists were able to emulate the Yamaha V9958 (MSX 2+) with the original Pico, but even the SNES PPU blows that away.)
@tamoghnapal6619
Ай бұрын
I actually ordered it today, and hoping to get it soon. I've used Pico in most of my projects, it's the best Microcontroller by a long shot. Pico 2's currently on Backorder and I'm expected to recieve it in a month.
@Krilium
26 күн бұрын
4:06 GOD DAMMIT IT'S PRONOUNCED "ZED-X SPECTRUM"!!! Anyways, great video as always dude!
@TheDuzx
Ай бұрын
I somehow didn't expect the Pico 2 despite the fact that my work's supplier discontinued a few Pico SKUs about a month ago. This is the best news!
@darnell8897
Ай бұрын
So jealous that you got a Radxa x4 already! I've developed this inexplicable love for everything N100 recently. Can't wait for the vid, man!
@Harley411
Ай бұрын
Can’t wait for the wh version
@segamanxero
Ай бұрын
Currently daily drive a Unicomp Mini M, it is a tenkeyless buckling spring keyboard that is a modern take on the IBM Kishsaver. The one I have is a revised variant that uses a RP2040 as the controller. It is so crazy to see the RP2040 be used for so many things, it so versatile!
@1234567890q
Ай бұрын
The secure boot feature is amazing! It means people can actually use this in actual products now. Really exited for the power features and RISC-V too.
@atonduke7612
Ай бұрын
I'm so hyped about getting a bigger package with more pins.
@___aZa___
Ай бұрын
its so exciting that we are finally starting to retire older technology with newer, more efficient, more powerful stuff! On Linux we replace X11 with Wayland. AV1 replaces x265 and x264 HVEC. RISC-V and ARM slowly replaces x86. Exciting times!
@PragandSens
Ай бұрын
Yes but where is it the microUSB replacement for USB-C
@___aZa___
Ай бұрын
@@PragandSens i still have so many devices relying on mUSB, that i dont really mind the non-USB-C thing. But its coming in the next iteration, i'm sure. otherwise, just buy third-party picos with USB-C when they are available :)
@Queekusme
Ай бұрын
FYI I read in the specs that it’s not a drop in replacement due to adjusted power requirements and power pinouts, the 70x70 A variant IS however the same size as the 2040 footprint
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
True, missed that in my reading of the specs!
@H3cJP
Ай бұрын
this is amazing to see, i had already seen some pico boards, similar to rpi pico but under risc-v but seeing rpi foundation jump into it is great news, because they have funding and developers to really support the board, make great documentation and make software that actually works, and you dont need to expend days trying to burn the firmware to then have an unstable mess
@philsponsel3824
Ай бұрын
Nice! You are also watching the Guy with a Swiss accent with a new episode and fresh ideas around sensors and Microcontrollers 🙂
@JavierGarcia-se3vi
Ай бұрын
I loved the bloopers at the end, amazing! 😆
@chriszylstra
Ай бұрын
Hi Jeff, The rp2350 is not the same pinout as the rp2040 and is not a drop in replacement. (rp2040 was QFN-56 and rp2350 is QFN-60/QFN-80)
@travishayes6678
Ай бұрын
Never expected a drop-in replacement. This is awesome!
@basvandersluis5662
Ай бұрын
Thank you for creating this video. I've been using a lot of Raspberry Pi's (mainly zero's) here in my home, and in the last 12 months or so, added Pico's to my collection, because of their price and micropython, which has "grown up". :) I was wondering about the Pico 2 and your video helps me out. Thanks!
@Foxhood
Ай бұрын
The on-board Flash options are VERY interesting as it makes it viable to integrate a RP2040 as a truly stand-alone device. Rather than be reliant on the presence of an external flash chip. Combined with the security features + the bigger IO variants and you got something that can actually rival STM32 chips proper in regards of commercial and possibly even Industrial applications (which has been dominantly STM32, PIC and AVR territory). For now though i haven't gotten to figuring out the PIO modules on my RP2040 boards yet. So i'm good.
@atleast4566
Ай бұрын
Thank you for mentioning all those projects! I would love to see a whole video dedicated to explaining some of them in more detail. The micro controllers are super neat, but it's difficult to understand their potential unless you invest months of tinkering... Or or just have someone explain it. 😁
@silversonic1
Ай бұрын
I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with these. Console mod chips made with the original have been LITERAL game changers. It's gonna be epic.
@monabuu
Ай бұрын
0:26 I’m sorry, you’ve been building WHAT? Do you plan on producing any other elementary anti-matter particles?
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
haha
@VVerVVurm
Ай бұрын
I think it is a foldable 3d printer or something (?)
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
@@VVerVVurm Yes, a foldable/portable 3D printer that prints upside-down!
@LarixusSnydes
Ай бұрын
I'll be impressed with the Pico2 W if it has better documentation, especially on Bluetooth Classic. I've had to stall my PicoW-based project Bluetooth part, because I couldn't find any proper documentation to set the pairing code (relying on automatic pairing code generation and handshake is no good in my project).
@SequoiaAlexander
Ай бұрын
“The RP2350 chip on top is also a drop in replacement for the RP2040” Actually this is incorrect! Both chips are 7x7mm QFN but the RP2040 has 56 pins and the RP2350 has 60 pins! I have not yet checked how closely the various pins align or how much work a design upgrade would be, tho I will certainly be doing that upgrade on my motor controllers!
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Oh, I missed that-thought they were identical but I didn't look close enough-there are four extra pins!
@SequoiaAlexander
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Indeed! I just tagged you on a post on twitter with a side by side comparison of the datasheet pinouts. Things are pretty similar but there are new power pins and things moved a bit, so some care will be needed in layout updates.
@oieiworpoafjaklsd
Ай бұрын
Thanks Jeff. Raspberry Pi really should be giving you a salary. I've bought so much stuff thanks to you.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Sorry not sorry! But also, it's good they don't pay me because then I couldn't talk up other things I like without some amount of bias!
@MandicReally
Ай бұрын
A lot of 3D Printer MCUs have adopted the RP2040. I think the Toolhead PCB on the Positron you are building has a RP2040 on it. I’m excited to see the RP2350 get adopted and what changes that may bring. Faster, more IO & lower power consumption sounds like seriously positive improvements for toolhead boards and more.
@ellafoxoo
Ай бұрын
Oh hello 😁
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
I totally forgot about the 2040s on the Positron, lol. adding the mainboard to the base plate tomorrow!
@w13rdguy
Ай бұрын
That's really cool, Jeff. You have the spirit of an educator.
@RayBellis
Ай бұрын
You should probably be clearer that the RP2040 version of BlueSCSI is actually derived from the ZuluSCSI project from Rabbit Hole Computing, who have a long standing relationship with the designer of the original scsi2sd project. ZuluSCSI did borrow some file system handling elements from other projects, but the actual SCSI code (and the hardware design) was all down to ZuluSCSI and scsi2sd.
@MaxWeninger
Ай бұрын
For me no alternative to esp32 but good to see they go in the right direction
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
Espressif's been killing it with their variants (except for how many there are to choose from now, that can be annoying lol)
@MaxWeninger
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Yeah - and combine that with what different board creators like Adafruit vary in pin layout can really make your head spin :)
@bill_and_amanda
27 күн бұрын
I was at DEFCON 32 last weekend and they announced the chip there by building one into all the badges - very cool (In this case, the chip is being used to run a gameboy color emulator with a custom ROM, along with some LEDs, an IR blaster, accelerometer, and a USB-C charging/flashing port)
@mayank139
Ай бұрын
Well I was expecting builtin flash, but still, its is huge improvement over the original pico. Awesome video 😀 Thanks👍
@KevinDC5
Ай бұрын
i have about a dozen picos, i havent done anything with them other than hand out a few to my friends so they can have fun. but YAY im gonna order some of these theyre so beautiful and one day i might be smart enough to use one for other than lighting a lamp. Cheers from Texas!
@pvc988
Ай бұрын
How about overclocking? RP2040 overclocks like a dream. 400 MHz isn't unheard of. BTW. Still no reset button nor USB-C.
@WyvernDotRed
Ай бұрын
Another example of a Pico powered thing is the new production run of Unicomp keyboards. I actually had problems with mine, the board missed a pullup resistor and the keyboard matrix had an inconsistent bridge. Initially I got an old controller but was able to repair the original board too. From which I learned that the Pico controller fixes the keyboard becoming unresponsive when left on a powered USB, though the new firmware. Unfortunately they ended up having to replace the entire board under warranty due to the matrix issue, which we only figured out after fixing the also faulty controller. I'm very happy with this new keyboard though and will probably get the old one serviced eventually, as that would fully fix it.
@virtualinsanity7791
Ай бұрын
raspberry pico is also big in game controller scene. A lot of fightbox, arcade stick, game controllers are based on RP2040.
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
So I'm finding! And some custom keyboards.
@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
Ай бұрын
Mini arcades are probably made from an MP4 player board. You order these things with pre-built software in China, and each one costs pennies. The peak is more geared towards prototypes, since you intend to do it on a large scale, it is cheaper to have a custom board with exactly what is needed to make it work. If you search on Chinese websites, you can produce these arcades (or any other crap) yourself. You order the board from one supplier, the case from another, you can even order the packaging, everything will arrive in bulk in your country. If your gadget does not use a mobile network, you do not need to worry about quality tests and approval from government agencies. You can assemble everything in a garage, and then sell it online. People willing to make some investment sometimes rent a large warehouse and hire people to do this work, and even get tax breaks for creating jobs for low-income or "socially excluded" people.
@kienanvella
22 күн бұрын
Last October I built a portal GLADOS potato with a small OLED display, using an rp2040 to play a series of gifs accompanied by some simple audio clips from the game. I was really impressed it was able to do all that, especially using CircuitPython rather than a more efficient language.
@CraftComputing
Ай бұрын
Drop in replacement you say???? Onboard flash and secure boot are MAJOR additions. Very exciting!!!
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
I promise I'll get to Axe Effect at some point. It's been sitting to the right of my keyboard for a month now lol :D
@CraftComputing
Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling We're hoping to have a PoE version announcement in October. I think you'll be VERY interested in seeing that one 🙂
@JeffGeerling
Ай бұрын
@@CraftComputing Indeed, that's the killer app, no need for an extra wall wart and micro USB cable (they're harder to route to precise size!
@ginger_toggaf
Ай бұрын
Flappy bird came out over 10 years ago. It's a game dev meme at this point.
@NiklasRooms
25 күн бұрын
Last Thursday I picked up my DefCon 32 badge. I was super excited to find out, it already uses the RP2350 :D The first day I asked myself "how is a Pico running this?" (it wasn't - it was the new chip!)
@Darkk6969
Ай бұрын
I just found this out like couple of hours ago when I got an e-mail about the new Pico 2 with RISC-V. I was like I gotta get a few so pre-ordered 5 along with RaspberryPi 5 8gig! 🤣
@ZoomerNostalgia
Ай бұрын
I can't wait to see the implications this thing has when it comes to the retro console modding scene!
@freepoet6737
Ай бұрын
I've been looking forward to this, and really pleased that it's pin compatible.
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