Hey everyone! Marco here from ASUSTOR again! As with the last video, we are thankful for the opportunity to collaborate with Jeff and feel free to let us know your comments, questions, criticisms and praise in this comment reply thread. I do get notifications and remain as happy as ever to listen to what you have to say. Can't guarantee everything but everything will be taken seriously.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for sending the Lockerstor, Marco! I learned a lot while making these two videos.
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling We learned a lot from you too!
@YouTubeGlobalAdminstrator
3 жыл бұрын
I think the most important aspect for me is software support. Synology offer I believe 7 years, which is the benchmark for me.
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
@@KZitemGlobalAdminstrator Hi! We've only begun to retire our oldest products this year due to hardware limitations as they are 32 bit. They are 10 years old.
@garyhuntress6871
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised at all that Jeff found plusses and minuses of both approaches. I'm really intrigued by the app support of the Asusstor. My home NAS has 10 drives. Maybe Asus can/will accommodate larger home solutions? Bottom line? I want both :D
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you didn't use ZFS. You don't know storage unless you only use ZFS.
@jonathanschober1032
3 жыл бұрын
The self-awareness is gold
@kwinzman
3 жыл бұрын
Very true! And ECC RAM. Oh wait...
@paulmaydaynight9925
3 жыл бұрын
ZFS over packet writing raid0 Universal Disk Format SCSI DVD's ^_~
@philipm1896
3 жыл бұрын
Did you just heart your own comment 😂. Anyway zfs has a trade off that nobody seems to talk about, they are all quite happy to brush it under the carpet, also if you loose 1 vdev everything is lost. Anyway good video
@WilliamJasonSherwood
3 жыл бұрын
Obviously a long term project but was looking at SNAP RAID and if you can get it running on a Pi with low enough overhead it could be the real deal for Pi NAS OMV type storage.
@izzieb
3 жыл бұрын
The Asustor is nice, but we sure did enjoy watching you figure out how to make your Pi NAS work.
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
We do appreciate the compliment!
@gorillaau
3 жыл бұрын
I came to see what hoops one needs to jump through for the Raspberry Pi.
@drdiesel1
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, 17mins of results which probably took 30+ hours of work!
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Heh... the estimate is a bit low :)
@byronfoltz
3 жыл бұрын
I chose a halfway point between these two options. The QNAP TR-004 is a usb 3 raid enclosure that I plug into my raspberry pi 4, 4gb. Since the raid calculations are performed on the QNAP side, the raspberry pi only has to deal with the SMB stuff. Performance and reliability are both quite high. I also chose OMV for the relative ease of setup.
@SomeTechGuy666
3 жыл бұрын
Bingo, we have a winner !
@niteshkumarpatel
2 жыл бұрын
What is omv?
@iainwade
3 жыл бұрын
Liked once because I agree that boxed nas’s as super capable, approachable and performant these days. Wish I could +1 again for raid is not a backup + 3-2-1 promotion.
@kuhluhOG
3 жыл бұрын
any recommendations for the 1? finding something trustable which doesn't cost much/monthly is pretty hard
@iainwade
3 жыл бұрын
Not paying monthly is probably cheaper overall but might cost more upfront. Some ideas: - Take an encrypted disk to work and leave it in a drawer. - Give a nas box to family/friend and backup over the internet.
@PerryStevPT
3 жыл бұрын
@@iainwade simple and easy. Never thought of that, thanks
@DomiaAbrWyrda
3 жыл бұрын
I am actually amazed that the Pi was that much cheaper For all my projects, I found that if you diy the same spec as a mass-produced product, the diy is always a bit more expensive (Yes, the Pi NAS had lower specs, but still, impressive how much cheaper it was)
@bobsmith-qu2oq
3 жыл бұрын
Of course it was cheaper. FFS the ironwolf drives alone makes this a stupid comparison video. Like comparing a 1960's beat up van to a current mustang.
@DomiaAbrWyrda
3 жыл бұрын
@@bobsmith-qu2oq oh were the HDD specs that much different? I didn't watch the pre-built NAS part of the video and just assumed he bought similar drives
@seanvogel8067
2 жыл бұрын
@@bobsmith-qu2oq , I thought he used the exact same drives?
@LucasHartmann
3 жыл бұрын
You can use hdparm to auto sleep the drives when idle, while keeping the pi awake. This should lower power consumption considerably.
@r0galik
2 жыл бұрын
For my own purposes I made a NAS of similar size out of a Raspberry Pi 4 and a Terra Master USB 3 DAS. So far it works quite well - with RAID5 (ext4) speeds are pretty much enough to saturate the Rpi Ethernet interface. Beats over the counter NAS systems in configurability.
@tjairicciardi9747
2 жыл бұрын
awesome series on nas. LEarned so much, cant wait to explore NAS
@TurboPotato
3 жыл бұрын
dear god this is THE MOST comprehensive home lab testing I've ever seen. The fact you're only at 6k views of this writing is insulting. Jeff you're a f&$@ing GOD.
@maxhammick948
3 жыл бұрын
NB - OMV does support having the drives spin down when not in use. It's not a full shutdown, but as a single spinning HDD uses more power than an overclocked pi then it's most of the power consumption saved. On the "disks" page select the drive you'd like to spin down and then hit the "edit" button to find the relevant options. Also, since you mentioned odroid, the HC2 or HC4 are really nice solutions if you don't need 4 bays on your NAS and are OK with gigabit. There's also the H2+ for 2 bays and 2x 2.5G LAN, and at
@SzDavidHUN
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: you can spin down HDDs from command line with `hdparm -y /dev/sda/` They will automatically spin back up when needed (or you can spin them back up manually too). You can set the auto spindown time and set various parameters with that command.
@ericcooley9407
3 жыл бұрын
No clue what sent me your channel, but I'm very glad. Sounds like a lot of what I'm curious about.
@jrgengreve6654
3 жыл бұрын
As usual a nice presentation and interesting information. I own a similar 4 bay NAS but have converted to use two linux driven low power computers - one at home, the second is remote. Using "normal" linux allows me to setup data sync between the two and simultaneously run proxmox, docker, nextCloud amd more. That gives me so many more possibiies. And - no cloud involved ... Thanks for the good videos!
@paullandry6573
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video and as always, thanks for including the outtakes. I loved the "I can assure you the kids are walking upstairs right now" line! 🙂
@Hermiel
3 жыл бұрын
Brother's got some Big Disk Energy. Remember: It's not the size of your Pi NAS; it's how you use it.
@Dygear
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! The Shouting at the Disks thing is a throw back. Shout-out to Bryan Cantrill (Some pun intended.)
@jamess1787
3 жыл бұрын
Omg. I remember that video snippet from years ago. Totally forgot about it. Create some unusual vibrations and temporarily delay the IO. Brilliant.
@thomasipad7719
2 жыл бұрын
I love the bloopers at the end!!! Please continue to add them :-)
@ronaldglider
3 жыл бұрын
really like the blunt honesty! -- and the conclusions drawn
@nccyr1
3 жыл бұрын
Great review, thank you for spending the time to cover the details.
@madeyeQ
3 жыл бұрын
I've tried using NAS units from different vendors, including an Asustor 2 bay unit. They all suffered from the same problem, they felt bloated. Too many things that I would never use and the things I wanted to use were not included. The Asustor I used had the ability to boot from USB so I opted to install centos on a USB SSD and used that for a while. (I removed the internal eMMC ADM drive). That enabled me to do just about anything, but unfortunately it was not powerful enough for what I wanted. I ended up building my own NAS from a desktop PC, mounted it in a 19" server case with a 5 drive bay and am using that with Debian and ZFS. I don't need a fancy web interface, but that's probably just me ;-) Now I can use it as a NAS, for my docker containers, as a web server for my homepage, local git hosting and what-not. And of course it works flawlessly with my UPS. I have been running this kind of setup for more than 10 years now. (the Asustor was somewhere in the middle of that timespan).
@mariosistampoulas375
3 жыл бұрын
Great tip. It's not just the storage capacity. Important is also the network speed. Raspberry Pi is very slow for sharing data. You need lots of drives and very fast network. Ethernet and internet. So that's a lot of money to invest.
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear about the things that you wanted to use but were not included.
@madeyeQ
3 жыл бұрын
@@ASUSTOR_YT I have been trying to remember what exactly it was I couldn't find, and must confess I just can't remember it. It might even be something that is available now in the NAS SW store. I know of one thing though that will keep me away from a prebuild NAS. Notifications. I hate them like a disease. And it's not limited to neither one vendor nor a NAS. Even on my phone I do everything to disable all notifications. Except for receiving a phone call or SMS I don't want to see them. Again that's just me ;-)
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
@@madeyeQ Hi. We don't send notifications unless you enable them specifically.
@michaelstaps5526
3 жыл бұрын
reminds me of that guy in my neighborhood, that told me, he doesnt need a truck for moving to his new location because his Mini Clubman can handel ANY cargo... just by doing a few little workarounds...
@MrSleepybrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Jeff! I love the sense of humor you bring to your videos, and your love of sci-fi! I would love to see more DIY videos for home users from you!
@SergiuTopan
3 жыл бұрын
Raspberry pi is a good nas if you use only 1G network and usb hard drives (I know that are not nas grade). I have a setup with PI 4 2GB model and 2 TB western digital usb hdd. It works great for plex file storage torrent box and I also edit 1080p videos from it.
@mrmotofy
3 жыл бұрын
Some of the external actually contain a white label NAS drive
@wstrater
3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait until you release your rclone video! In case you previously didn’t know you were releasing an rclone vidieo, consider yourself informed. :)
@CraigMullins1
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have any videos comparing different nas's like the Lockerstor / synology. low cost , mid range , high end?
@DannehBoi90
3 жыл бұрын
No ZFS?! How could you! All seriousness though, this was very informative!
@jimb3668
3 жыл бұрын
I built a 4 bay (16TB) NAS using a RPi4 (4GB), mediasonic 4 bay enclosure. Raspian and OMV5. Acrylic case and cooling fan. Works well. (100MB/s typical throughput). I liked your profile of each solution. It's intersting to know that overclocking the Pi doesn't give you much. Cheers
@skug978
3 жыл бұрын
Potentially you could use a microcontroller like an ESP32 to power-up the Raspberry Pi setup from a wakeonlan call. Like I mentioned on your first video, I believe you could have reduced the cost of the Pi setup by just using a cheap PC case instead of the Noctua parts, 700W PSU, hard drive brackets, etc. For a regular person wanting a cheap NAS, they could forego the 2.5Gbps network card in the Pi build and the PCIe switch, and just use the Pi's own 1Gbps network adapter (limiting max throughput to 125MBps instead of the measured max you found of 200MBps). I believe the Pi setup (without 2.5Gbps network) could be achieved for $191 from your numbers (and using a $25 'PC case with 500W PSU' to hold everything).
@shapelessed
3 жыл бұрын
I've designed my own file server for a raspberry pi, it took 2 months to get it done but it was worth it...
@kingmasterlord
3 жыл бұрын
sounds like good how to KZitem content to me
@shapelessed
3 жыл бұрын
@@kingmasterlord Not really, I had to deal with tons of security stuff like directory traversal, injections and XSS and 99.9% of people watching don't know anything about this stuff. If they were to expose some ports on their home routers with badly secured web app, then some hackers, or most likely bots wold easily get access to their home networks... There's always a risk they'll forget to patch stuff that might enable remote code execution... In short, unless you really know what you're doing, don't do it... Building complex APIs needed for login and permission systems isn't easy, and securing it is a nightmare...
@khairulihsan8417
3 жыл бұрын
Any idea where to start (maybe topics to read) and futher to have similar built like you? Thanks..
@shapelessed
3 жыл бұрын
@@khairulihsan8417 I'd honestly first start by building a simple API for reading files from the server, some routes like API/file/get/pathToFile, reading the target file and then thinking of securing it, so things like dir traversal protection and possibly locking the server to a certain directory, that would be its root
@amundjones9319
3 жыл бұрын
I have a pi NAS that is only two, very neat boxes... The pi in a case w/ heatsink and all the ports moved to the same side (except the SD card on the opposite side, of course), and a USB3 external storage that lets me plug in 4x 2.5" drives. I already had a box of 250GB SSDs from old computers. I know it's USB3 instead of SATA, and with far less storage capability, but the whole setup cost me $150 (will cost you more if you don't happen to have a bunch of spare drives laying around, or less if a manufacturer sends you stuff for free lol) and is very neat and orderly and was kind of a breeze, what with the huge amount of community support and the fact that this is a pretty darn popular project to build meaning the steps were all laid out for me already.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
The Pi does make a great 'found parts' storage device, as long as you have modest needs and don't expect it to do everything under the sun. Nice job keeping some older parts in operation and useful!
@cahirpl
3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant videos Jeff. Very well explained and narrated. Really enjoyed it.
@smoloms
3 жыл бұрын
I learn so much fro your videos. I love it.
@kylestych
3 жыл бұрын
I was researching Pi NAS options the DAY before you released this. GET OUT OF MY HEAD! Seriously though, thanks and big ups for that rclone script
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
I'm considering doing a more in-depth video on backup and talking about that script later this year.
@al048604
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Please do!
@T3hBeowulf
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling I would love to hear your experience with Rclone. My current setup for satisfying the "3" and "2" in 3-2-1 is "Jenkins + custom rsync scripts". I chose Jenkins for visibility around scheduling and to handle cross-platform backups with its various agents. I'm still missing an automated solution for "1" and tend to sneaker-net that every so often.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
@@T3hBeowulf I definitely need to do a video on rclone, it sounds like. It's pretty simple if you are okay storing your '1' backup in Backblaze, S3, S3 Glacier, or the like.
@dusterthefirst
3 жыл бұрын
The apply changes banner is a double edged sword. A lot of the time, when a second apply bar like that exists it allows you to batch settings changes, allowing you to set them all before waiting for them to complete in case they took a long amount of time. It can help by moving the waiting till the end, not interrupting your flow as you change settings, but can also be a hassle if you are just changing the one setting, especially when it takes so long to show up.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
True. One risk is you might forget to even apply the changes 😅
@jameshinds2510
5 ай бұрын
I recently built an Argon EON Pi NAS, which apparently released just barely after this video. My experience with it has been an interesting middle of the road NAS; Argon Forty put most of the effort together in making it. There are two weird downsides. The first is that the drives are connected via USB, and OMV doesn't let you set RAID up via USB, anymore, so you either have to hardware config RAID or set up a backup. The second is that it has 4 bays, but doesn't fit 4 3.5" drives. 2 of them are 2.5" drives at most. I don't think that's bad, but it is odd. I can't actually comment on the speed because I optimized it for capacity, but I strongly suspect that the EON will get bandwidth throttled by that single gigabit connection.
@madfury3179
3 жыл бұрын
You need to test the Odroid HC4. It's an SMB with SATA slots.
@dragonrider6875
3 жыл бұрын
Looks good. I like you take on this. I have used a similar setup. I was just 6 drives in a raid5.
@priyanv
3 жыл бұрын
@jeff: Am I the first one to realize that a Starlink video is in the works?
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Eagle eye! Coming next week.
@madr8b
3 жыл бұрын
Another great vid on a great channel. I just built a simple pi nas for about 200. I don't need the 2.5 Ethernet, 1gb works great for me. I have 6TB (2TB I already had) of storage on open media. I haven't had any real issues with my setup. I think if you are just looking for simple file storage and video storage/playback, with no real extra's, the pi is a great way to go and it is cheaper for sure. Great vid Jeff, thanks for all you do. Don't get too mad at red shirt Jeff for the HD, I am sure he was just curious. 😁
@lis6502
3 жыл бұрын
8:16 duuude, i am glad that i am watching this at the daytime, not hearing these footsteps being all alone in the dense darkness of the night ;d Cool and sensitive mics though!
@claireh2667
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao, when you powered those drives in the last video, I heard the dead drive and had to do a double-take: surely that noise was coming from the all-too-familiar GreenPower! But i also can't pretend to be surprised by Doa seagate, just thought they mighta tested the ones they sent you.
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video about that AWS S3 Glacier backup method you are using. Especially interested in how does it works for you price wise (both storing and getting data back). I was puzzling with that idea for a while, but price calculation with AWS services are clearly not made with individuals in mind and always got scared away. (or use Google Drive or something more simpler instead)
@KaliszAd
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, try DigitalOcean Spaces. They have a $5/250GB/Month + 1 TB traffic plan and it is S3 compatible. Restic, rclone and others can talk to it. I stuffed about 2 TB of deduplicated backups in there using both backup and the SFTP translator built into rclone.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely an option. I did the calculations and found that the S3 Glacier option ended up being about 1/4 the cost of any other standard S3-compatible storage plan, plus I put a lot of faith in Glacier's data storage reliability. I have had to restore a few times (usually for some giant project I accidentally deleted locally and didn't realize it until much later), and the costs aren't bad if you're okay waiting a day or two for the download to start, and at a kind of slow rate.
@KaliszAd
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling really depends on how fast the recovery should be and how much data you will download in such a situation. Traffic from any of the big clouds is very expensive. If you mostly just send data in and want to keep them for a long time, S3 Glacier is really good and likely the most reliable option and quite cost effective.
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Thanks! Probably they store it on tape and the wait time is for the queueing. By the way, interfacing an LTO drive with the Raspberry would be an interesting video. Technically not a challenge now that you have a SCSI card attached :) But I wonder if the Pi can cope with the transfer speeds this requires - as some kind of periodic backup agent.
@AnotherNerdHere
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff. Interesting as always. I appreciate you doing what would be much more difficult for me.
@Levent_Ergun
3 жыл бұрын
I actually found setting everything up manually without OMV resulted in better results for me. OMV uses too much CPU power and can be troublesome on non Raspberry SBCs, I for example had much better throughput (around 25%) with manual samba and mdadm raid0 setup on a OrangePi Zero.
@applesushi
3 жыл бұрын
I’m a Linux sysadmin so I probably would feel fairly comfortable building a PiNAS. But at home I use a Synology 4-disk one because it just works for what I need. Sometimes it’s OK to go the easy route.
@Airbag888
3 жыл бұрын
The wait was excruciating.. Finally p2
@camofelix
3 жыл бұрын
R/DataHorders reporting in! Y U NO USE ZFS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (but for reals, use what you're comfortable with
@puerlatinophilus3037
3 жыл бұрын
I was almost worried that using FAT32 for all of my drives is a problem.
@roger.monitor
3 жыл бұрын
I am testting with OMV now after a question from the members of our GNU/Linux workgroup. Have build three different PC and one laptop with a broken screen, a HP Pavilion dv7 which has two drive bays. Put one 160 Gib HD in for OS, did not have a smaller one and one 1TB HD. Works well, next will be loading the OS on a SD or USB and than put in two 1TB HD. The 3 PC are one 15 year old Dual core AMD with pata drives and two 10 year old Intel Dual core all with four sata. Ones they are working they go to other members so they can do their testing and or tinkering. Dose not matter of they are botching the OS. I have an other laptop that I amgoing to dismantel and put in an old PC case and make a OMV nas that way.
@bufanda
3 жыл бұрын
While I like the Pi's as experimental platform, they are just that in my opinion when it comes to my data I go for stability and thus get out-of-the box solutions.
@rogierdikkes
2 жыл бұрын
I used to have the same idea, but after using a Synology for 8-9 years I now either have to buy an entire new unit or run something that gets no updates. If something breaks I also have to buy an entire new unit. There are no replacement parts for sale that are supported. Besides that suddenly software packages are no longer supported or even worse can no longer be downloaded which really hinders the ability to keep using the NAS. Having an solution run for 9 years is great, but I want to be in control what parts i replace to upgrade or replace to keep access to my data. I also want an system to run for longer than 9 years. Adding waste to garbage piles shouldn't be the goal. Ideally I want to upgrade a solution if my usage changes or if I want added features which isn't likely with a NAS.. I don't see a Pi as a solution because I had too many break on me in short amounts of time, but a self built system is something I'm really considering.
@voiceoftreason1760
3 жыл бұрын
The one important notable not mentioned option here is to make something like a custom itx build with some x86 motherboard. I'll explore that option more as I want to keep the freedom to run any open source NAS OS
@alexanderstohr4198
2 жыл бұрын
11:04 - the pcie bridge is plugged "off" along with the 2.5Gbit networking - only the SATA board is plugged and networking goes to the native 1 GBit port on the PIs base board.
@IbanNieto
3 жыл бұрын
hahahah Brendan Gregg screaming the poor hard disks hahahahahah
@BxKRs
3 жыл бұрын
Long story short, I need NAS now, so I’ll buy an Asustor or similar, but I like to tinker, so I’ll get the other stuff and struggle through it for fun. Thanks for being so thorough!
@Demodude123
3 жыл бұрын
And he didn't even do zfs as the root partition on the pi! Unacceptable :D. Great vid as always Jeff.
@reedbj06
3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding content, thank you for sharing. Your insights are much appreciated and it was fun to watch!
@321gpower
3 жыл бұрын
3 2 1 = plan is a good thing. grt work bro
@DarrylAdams
3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward for you to form the Gearling Media Group and having a dedicated Redshirt Jeff channel....
@World_Theory
3 жыл бұрын
Is the reason that the Pi locked up during the RAID 0 test, because it was thermal throttling? You did say that you increased the clock speed, but I didn't see you improve its cooling solution, and the faster RAID 0 would mean more data being moved, and therefore a bigger workload for the CPU.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
In this case, no. It hard locked up (required power reset), and there was no indication the temperature was ever above about 55C
@herik63
3 жыл бұрын
I paid 83 euros for a J4125 mini ITX mobo, for running Proxmox for Home Assistant and a Debian server for my network, the NAS is still on the old i5 with Xigmanas, but almost powered off. The board was expanded with a 32GB of RAM and a NVME (Samsung 981) but since the lack of lanes the speed is limited around 800 MB/sec, not bad at all for a 12W server.
@PraveenMak
3 жыл бұрын
You are a genius sir. Thanks for this!
@vitordasilva4047
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video series, thanks! I'd be interested to hear more about your backup solution.
@wolfgangmeincke
2 жыл бұрын
A stock NAS is great, if you want to have an out-of-the-box solution. It will work fine for many years and you have many additional features. When it becomes too old, you have to buy a new one. The Pi solution needs much more manual effort but you get a full computer and you can easily upgrade a view years later to the next gen Pi. If you really just need a NAS for data storage, buy an external hdd storage for 200 bugs and you have everything you need.
@1glitchedbot995
3 жыл бұрын
Disabling drive cache may help with the mixed SSD performance issue.
3 жыл бұрын
My take on the "NAS story" was: - HP MicroServer Gen 8 - 150 EUR (new, with some Celeron and 4GB RAM inside) - XEON CPU 1260L 4c/8t - 40 EUR on ebay - 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 ECC RAM - 50 EUR on ebay - Sabrent USB3.0 2.5Gbps LAN adapter - 40 EUR (the server has 2 x 1Gbps and a iLO but i wanted 2.5Gbps) Total: 280 EUR (~ $330) - disks, cache SSD and boot SSD not included Advantages: - I can run a fully fledged distro on it with whatever I want / need - It has expansion: 1 PCIe 16x 2.0, some USBs and an extra SATA - It can be fixed / modded to your necesity Disadvantages: - power consumption (~ 70-80W) - kind of loud at startup - it is a server afterall and we all know how server grade equipment sounds like - you have to manage everything yourself, replace CPU, install it, add everything you need etc (this is a disadvantage for those that what something Plug And Play as the Asustor, for me it was fun)
@leexgx
3 жыл бұрын
I guess if you use actual hardware raid controller (that has a BBU and a UPS) and Linux with btrfs as the filesystem for bitrot detection only so you know when you got corrupted data (single data, dup metadata) , with the hardware raid you can use the automatic raid rebuild (drop clean disk in and off it goes) and monitoring functions of the server instead on relying on mdadm raid This is why I like netgear readynas (simple automatic raid and btrfs for bitrot and auto correction) , as long as the hdd is clean you can just drop it in and it auto rebuilds (same as dell server) , only nas Company I know does it this way, others you have to trigger the rebuild via the ui or have a hotspare configured, only use hotspare in RAID6, never use hotspare in RAID5, use RAID6 before you start to use hotspares
@shoukomi-sama
3 жыл бұрын
I think you should make a vifeo about Linux Kernel compilation
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
I keep thinking about doing it, then I keep forgetting about doing it. I want to make it happen!
@ronaldglider
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling second that!
@MrPunkassfuck
3 жыл бұрын
1.7 Tepabytes? That's ALOT =) 6:44 Love your videos, always interesting.
@maokue2639
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Jeff, Thanks for the valuable information and the time your put n it. Great video. I would like to ask you for training on understanding storage, NAS, what's caching and why to use it, and many more.
@stefanmisch5272
3 жыл бұрын
Love how the automatic captions always spell "pine ass". 😁
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Only the freshest scent.
@EnricAragorn
3 жыл бұрын
I build my own utlrabudget home NAS one month ago. a Refurbished 2012 HP i5 Tower (70 bucks), plus a 8 Sata disk marvell controler (50 buks on amazon), some ram to reach 16Gb, and a small SSD drive. Is not as fast as yours, but works pretty good with 7200rpm discs. My home network is based on a Gigabit switch. The limit is the network. Every for less than 150 buks
@mrmotofy
3 жыл бұрын
If you have an extra expansion slot. Get a used Intel based NIC 10GB 2 port like X520-2. Then get one in your main System And directly connect a cable between them then using a static IP. You can also add a line in your host file so that data to the NAS always uses the 10Gb link. With a 2port NIC on NAS one can connect 2 clients and have a direct 10Gb for just the price of the 2 NIC. Then add a 10Gb switch later as need/budget allows. A standard HDD these days can hit around 200MB so the bottle neck really is the network.
@EnricAragorn
3 жыл бұрын
@@mrmotofy true friend!
@lis6502
3 жыл бұрын
> power saving tell me what's the purpose of spinning down NAS-oriented harddrives, engineered to whitstand constant 24/7 idle spinning? Besides prematurely wearing them down by constant spinups and spindowns?
@harrywwc
2 жыл бұрын
suggestion for redshirt jeff slogan - "the logs never lie"
@Nevakonaza.
3 жыл бұрын
Really impressive that Asustor,Nice channel too Jeff Subbed!
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
Praise is always appreciated!
@DIY_Donkey
3 жыл бұрын
I'm running a Pi 4b 8GB with a seagate ironwolf 4TB in an external USB 3 enclosure, I've not done any proper testing on it but using dlna I can watch 4K video on 2 TVs as well as copy files to it from my laptop via smb at about 20MB/s all at the same time. I know its no where near the same speeds as Jeff's setup but for an average household and about £200 its more than adequate for the job
@keithmiller9665
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the follow up video Jeff. Very nice, more please :-) I can’t help thinking that SSDs would consume much lower electricity than HDDs. For a start fan(s) would not be required. Of course SSDs remain far too expensive, but this could change in future and large boxes with HDDs in them would look as out of place as CRT monitors do today. A Pi4 and 4xSSDs connected via a USB 3 hub with 4xSata to USB3 cables consumes in total around 10w from memory. Of course USB3 isn’t suitable but the electricty consumption point remains.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
SSDs still get quite hot, so you'd need a fan, but yes, not as hot as HDDs, at least not high powered ones like these from Seagate. Also, except for the highest end SSDs, most don't require nearly the same maximum power draw as an HDD.
@keithmiller9665
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff. I agree with your point in the video about not being easy to power down OMV to save electricty. Also the bulk of either the Asustor or Pi setup isn’t great. Definitely think there is a gap in the market for a small SSD box / setup that is low powered. This would help reduce the power consumption of not being able to put OMV into a low power sleep type mode.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
@@keithmiller9665 An SSD-based 2.5" array like what Wiretrustee is building seems like it could be an ideal SOHO solution. Silent, only needs a fan at very low speeds, pretty light on power consumption, and fast enough to saturate a 1 Gbps network. I'm considering-once the Wiretrustee is released-building a small 2-drive RAID 1 NAS that I drop at another family member's house and sync to my local NAS via rclone/rsync. Just need to find a willing family member who's okay with me dumping a few gigs every night :)
@meh.7539
3 жыл бұрын
"In my day, you weren't a real sysadmin unless you compiled your own kernel!" But seriously, I remember compiling linux kernels to be a bit trickier way back in like '02 when I was first starting out. It feels much easier now than it did back then.
@SidebandSamurai
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jeff, Fantastic video. How about using Unraid on a Raspberry Pi 4? You would have a very strong community and loads of apps, as well as a standard Linux build, which I believe is based off of Slakware.
@willfancher9775
3 жыл бұрын
FYI copying large files isn't a very good test for dm-cache. It purposefully subverts the cache for sequential IO because HDDs tend to be fast enough for sequential loads, and because it drastically improves the longevity of the cache drives.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
All writes go through the NVMe SSDs even when using dm-cache though-I was monitoring the individual drive activity and confirmed it would write through from the network to the SSDs, then after a brief pause, I'd see the SSDs go to read and the HDDs start writing. The best thing about physically-spinning hard drives is you can also hear them quite easily when they start writing :D
@willfancher9775
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling hm. I must be reading outdated information then.
@JoeMaza
3 жыл бұрын
I saw part one and it got me thinking. I bought an Asustor. It's suited me just fine. Also, I'm amazed at its petite form factor. I would need to find a case and other parts to rival the size. It would need to be twice the size to fit four drive bays. Thanks, Jeff!
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We appreciate the compliment!
@yorickmeulenbelt4all
3 жыл бұрын
I kept hearing these bonks, took me until the end of the video to realize it was in the video, not in my house :'D You've got a great microphone :)
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Those pesky kids running around :)
@fmlazar
3 жыл бұрын
As I understand not even Apple recommends using AFP any more and suggests you keep to samba. Assuming your Macs are using modern version of OSX.
@RedMageGaming
3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting on canakit to ship my CM4 and such. When I ordered it, it was supposed to ship out march 15th. Then they started saying orders would be shipped out May, now they're saying June....
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Same here with an order from the Pi Hut. But miraculously, I was at Micro Center today in St. Louis, and they had 4 4GB models in stock, both lite and 8 GB eMMC!
@BenMitro
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff. Loved the comparison of speed and ease of setting up. I must point out though that it occurred to me like you conflated storage technology with backups and then, you added insult to injury by suggesting a catch-all 3,2,1 plan to a reasonably technical and analytical audience. The storage technology RAID, ZFS etc. etc. determines the reliability of a storage appliance, The number of such appliances determine the redundancy. External risks; fire, power, data comms etc. will determine mitigation strategies such as location of backups, UPS's etc.. A recovery procedure and time-to-restore are also part of the equation and has to be factored into a backup strategy. Finally a testing strategy is required. A backup strategy is worked out by considering risk factors, consequences and mitigation. It's not a particularly technical process and I'd venture to say, most, if not all of your audience can reasonably analyse their own situation, environment and analyse it to come up with a plan that works for them. Cheers, and thanks for your wonderful videos!
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
You have a lot more faith in my audience's analytical abilities than I do ;) Not a knock on the audience, but I just have to acknowledge a lot of people watching these videos are just at the very beginning edge of learning about the topics I cover.
@BenMitro
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling I'm sure there is a distribution of experience and knowledge and some will be coming in from the cold - to learn. Perhaps a video on risk in relation to backups. Might be dry, but I'm sure red shirt Jeff can help with that :) Regardless, whatever you provide Jeff, I'm always grateful for your videos. You are one of a select few content creators that provides exacting information and not regurgitated opinion, and I for one value that greatly.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
@@BenMitro Definitely considering doing at least one (maybe series) on backup and data retention (targeted at home/small business use case). And thanks for the compliment-I figure there are about 1000 people on youtube reviewing products and listing specs. If I don't learn something, and by extension, teach something new, in each of my videos, I count it as a failure. There are enough 'LTT clone' channels here :)
@nathankunkee621
3 жыл бұрын
Hi! I would LOVE to see a video that evaluates Raspberry PI for scale out (horizontal) storage solutions. Since you can only have one Pi go so fast, spread out the work across 5, 6, or 7! WIth Glusterfs you could also compare striped, replicated, and dispersed (ECC)... I do suggest turning on features.sharding.
@slcooIj
3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why adding an inefficent 700 watt power supply to this setup is a good idea. Use a 150 or 250 Watt supply, which operates in a more efficient window. Best efficency of a power supply usually is around 40-60%. So if you need 50 Watt in the end, buy a 100 watt Power supply.
@jamesrodemeyer7544
Жыл бұрын
What do you do to support all these toys, I admire your knowledge, I'm 75 and I love this stuff. Thank you.
@jeffreyparker9396
3 жыл бұрын
So here is the problem that I have with the ASUSTOR and others like it. I can and have built far more capable mini-itx systems for a little over $400, then you get a more powerful solution, more flexible, and more upgradeable. Sure, I get it, some people just want to buy it, throw the drives in, set it on a shelf and not have to mess with it. The thing is if you build it based on regular PC components you get the same thing, just maybe a little more time in the setup, but save like $100, or in some cases far more than that, and over the life of the product you probably save considerably more since the pc can swap disk controllers, CPUs, RAM, powersupplies, network cards, etc to keep it going without replacing the whole thing for far longer.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
This is true, and it's the big reason why NASes are often in an interesting spot-but most NAS users buy them because like you say, buy, toss in drives, and done. If you need storage quick, it's the quickest way to get it set up, and for most of the vendors (at least the good ones), you'll have support for at least 5-10 years, meaning you have a while to worry about your hardware going unsupported.
@jeffreyparker9396
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling yeah I just don't like how much they cost over the price of the hardware, the $400 price point was for a real full desktop processor, when I built my custom router that was what I paid for a mini-itx system with 16GB ram and a Ryzen 3 3200G. Far more powerful than the likely low end laptop grade CPU in the NAS, more than enough to run zfs with high gzip compression if you want to. Meanwhile to buy a NAS that is anywhere close to that powerful you would usually be into the rack mount systems and spending like $2k or more. It's not that I don't understand why people buy these, I just feel like there are far cheaper, far more powerful setups that don't actually take that much effort to get running, certainly not the $300-$400 over what an equivalent SBC to what is in that asustor would cost. As a matter of fact I have built and configured small PCs to be used as and NASs systems at small businesses for less than the price of that asustor.
@Clobercow1
3 жыл бұрын
Jeff. Great video! Here is what I thought 3-2-1 is: 3 copies 2 different types of media 1 copy off site 2 different types of media is important because it can help prevent issues with crypto, and other issues with media / server death. Tapes, for example, are common for the second media in enterprise environments.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Tape drives are underrated. Having offline storage that's decently fast to write, easy to transport and store, and high capacity... is nice.
@luziferius3687
3 жыл бұрын
About 2 types of media: Never use SSDs for long-term backup storage :) Optical disks, HDDs and tapes are ok, SSDs are not. These lose the cell charge over time, so when you want to access your office document archive of 2020 in 2024, you’ll find that the SSD is completely empty…
@KameraShy
3 жыл бұрын
@@luziferius3687 That is what I have heard also. SSDs would be tempting to use because of their size.
@KameraShy
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling BUT ... keep in mind that tapes have more stringent environmental storage requirements than other types of media.
@sunsun221
3 жыл бұрын
A Synology 1819 user here, never considered Asustor before watching your 2.5Gbps NAS build series. Was going to follow your 2.5Gbps Pi NAS build when you finish, but now 6604 is higher on my list. Thanks Jeff. BTW, where to get your green pi tshirt?
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
Hey there! If you have any questions at all. Let me know!
@sunsun221
3 жыл бұрын
@@ASUSTOR_YT Marco, appreciate you reaching out to Jeff to make this happen. Cheers.
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
@@sunsun221 No problem! We continue to learn lots from these collaborations and the feedback you guys give us. Keep 'em coming!
@TheRogueBro
3 жыл бұрын
Super interested in the Wiretrustee Sata! That seems like a neat little NAS
@mikek1187
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that you didn't install any heatsink on the pi. While I doubt that would have had much impact, I would be curious to see how more efficient the pi would be (especially when overclocked) if it could shed its heat better.
@sixforks6543
3 жыл бұрын
You always look so happy. Love your channel.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Life is good! 2020 was super not-fun but at least I could share some fun projects on the channel with all of you!
@sixforks6543
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Keep it up my dude, you're providing great content and have a very friendly and marketable face. That smile screams you love what you're doing.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
@@sixforks6543 I'm having the time of my life :) Glad it comes through in the videos.
@DS-pk4eh
2 жыл бұрын
I wish Asustor was selling their ADM OS, so that we can use on our hardware. It is really,really good. I have their NAS since 2018 and it is working great. The only downside now, is that it is old dual core Atom CPU. I wanted something based on AMD Ryzen APU (so 4c/8t, with good enough GPU). But their price with this kind off CPU is just ridiculous. OMV is simply just not there yet. I want NAS + Kodi features. And that is one thing hard to do.
@stephenhargreaves9011
3 жыл бұрын
For installing stuff, although apt wasn't available, how about dpkg? If it was, you could use dpkg to install apt.
@DigitEgal
2 жыл бұрын
1 Question: What Issues you ran into by using the Mikrotik SFP+ Switch? (since i have the same in my environment) 2 Question: You know anything about issues with Ironwolf NAS drives when using raid (especially zfs) - according to some reddit posts "Ironwolf Drives are not suitable for ZFS"
@asmongoldsmouth9839
3 жыл бұрын
Yah!! My man Jeff uses Seagate as well. 👍 I've been using them for decades. The RMA on Seagate is no worse than Western Digital. I used to work in RMA and I saw a lot of Kingston SSD, Intel SSD, Western Digital HDD but rarely did I ever see any Seagate HDDs or Samsung SSDs. I'm rocking 2x 4TB Seagate HDDs that are 7 years old and run everyday. They are used for massive data transfer and storage often. Anyways. I just wanted to show my enthusiasm. Not sound like the Seagate poster Child. Have a great one Jeff and thanks for all the videos. You have an incredible tech channel.
@VioletGiraffe
3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the Asustor with all these features costs so little! With just $150 difference between a complete device versus a mess on the table that you have to set up the software for, it's a no-brainer choice.
@ASUSTOR_YT
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@martinmeyer6341
3 жыл бұрын
For auto shutdown and auto wake up for the pi you could use 'rtcwake'.
@JeffGeerling
3 жыл бұрын
Assuming an RTC battery is installed, this can help start it up at a certain time, but it still won't help in terms of wake on lan :(
@martinmeyer6341
3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling yes, WOL unfortunately doesn't work on pis. Maybe in the future the will be a feature available on the next rpi gen. I think the rpi foundation listens to the community to get ideas for new devices.... ;)
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