John, I have a solid background in the electrical and electronics support in the coal mining industry. The main field was research and development of power supplies for underground use. Very stringent performance parameters of course were required. Research in the feasability of lithium batteries for underground mining is not even considered. A personal experience with a lithium battery suffering thermal runaway convinced me that lithium is nothing more than an unstable and unreliable substance. It is more suitable for destructive military use. I overcharged by 20% a small lithium battery about 40mm long by 20mm diameter. There was an explosion first ,it flew of the bench and onto the floor. It was glowing red hot and no exaggeration here , it burned it's way into a ceramic floor tile. I will never be foolish enough to even consider buying an ev with any form of lithium battery.
@ianknight4333
Жыл бұрын
They don't take petrol powered vehicles in underground mines either. The fire risk of evs is not a recent revelation. Heaps of studies reported on the internet. Any time one catches fire it makes news but lots of studies say the probability of catching fire is lower than for ICEs. Yeh I know stats and the internet. They're here. Petrol heads will just have to get used to it.
@SteveEddy-od7fb
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the update
@wideyxyz2271
Жыл бұрын
I think its fair to say that some of the "nuts" should be taking Lithium as a form of medication! Great video and on point as always.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Agreed. They should be on something. Possibly an isolation wing.
@gingernutpreacher
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJChaving worked in a mental hospital that would be unfair to people suffering from mental issues
@greevous
Жыл бұрын
That is insulting to those that actually take Lithium as they are smart enough to know they need help, some of those "nuts" probably need the full lithium metal treatment rather than just a lithium salt compound.
@greevous
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC that would help with the reduction in nut spread.
@greevous
Жыл бұрын
@@gingernutpreacher they do have enough trouble with bad press let alone being tarred with stupidity too.
@ILIKE400HP
Жыл бұрын
Had an eSkateboard explode in my loungeroom in less than a minute the whole house was full of toxic chocking smoke my son grabbed it and chucked it out the door, where it continued to explode shooting batteries out that then exploded like little hand grenades then burning, very scary called the fire brigade to put it out and they aired the house out with big fans the smell was around for weeks. It wasn't even on charge.
@yuglesstube
Жыл бұрын
That's very concerning. I expect that insurance would regard that as a combustible, had it not been for your son's rapid action, and left you legally exposed. Scary story!
@dy6682
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a scary experience friend! Glad no one was injured!
@pamnuman1619
Жыл бұрын
The number of structure fires caused by lithium-ion batteries has almost doubled in the last two years, according to new statistics from the Department of Fire and Emergency Services (DFES). WA. Last year, firefighters responded to 64 structure fires caused by lithium-ion batteries, up from 34 in 2020. Firefighters have already been called to 32 of these incidents in 2023, with the State now in its busiest period of the year for residential fires.
@BMW43
Жыл бұрын
Going to get VERY expensive to insure the freighting of EVs if there are more vessels with such fires
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@MattBlack6
Жыл бұрын
I note recently in a forum EV owners complaining about the insurance cost of their electric vehicles.
@crazyfroggie6546
Жыл бұрын
And who is the insurance industry going to pass that cost on to? Yup, the customer.
@awakenotwoke1973
Жыл бұрын
Just imagine insuring one when it can be charged right next to other ones, and inside parking buildings. There's some serious potential for some pretty expensive claims.
@oldbloke204
Жыл бұрын
@@MattBlack6 Also if they're writing the things off more often after an accident due to not wanting to risk battery damage we will be going through them more often than ICE vehicles which will inevitably add to insurance costs. As long as they charge the extra to those that own them and not all of us.
@j2simpso
Жыл бұрын
Actually John, having a number of EVs on fire in a garage is actually good news. Surely you’ve heard the expression fighting fire with fire, eh?
@gregroles69
Жыл бұрын
I am coming to the conclusion spontaneously combustible EV's and these types of people are a match made in heaven.
@user-cc2np7xy6w
6 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@paulyoung1172
Жыл бұрын
Great report, you may remember the Mont Blonke tunnel fire. That was just a smoldering truck load, imagine an EV fire in a tunnel or on the Euro tunnel Express. As you say its an accident waiting to happen.
@goncalovazpinto6261
Жыл бұрын
I have an EV car (also a diesel van and a gasoline car), after watching your earlier video I will start avoiding parking in underground parking lots. At home and work it is parked on the street as I don't have a garage at home or at work. There´s really only a couple of places I go that have underground or indoors parking, and I rarely go there, still, it only takes once...
@NicholasOckhuisen
Жыл бұрын
it depends on the battery chemistry too, all the tesla standard range cars and the newer chinese cars now use LFP batteries which dont have cobalt, these are yet to catch fire as far as im aware and are far safter...they just did not have the battery density needed at the beginning but they have improved and are now becoming the new standard.. There will also be LFP batteries with manganese added so this will improve the battery densitiy more and still be safe.
@kippen64
Жыл бұрын
I am in awe of your mental strength. You had the mental energy for ten of these. I struggled to get through the first one.
@joeculver7489
Жыл бұрын
This EV topic is very simple to me. I can renew the energy needed in my car in 5 minutes or less nearly anywhere in my country. To even think that it would take 12 hours to get to maybe 80% renewed at limited locations, 22 minutes at very limited locations, is beyond comprehension.
@OleVanDole
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great video, it depresses me how much BOTH EV zealots and EV haters rarely use facts and logic but choose vitriol and low hanging arguments against eachother. It does not drive the debate in a beneficial direction. You bring the right perspective.
@grahamstrouse1165
Жыл бұрын
John always brings the science.
@maisydaisy9970
Жыл бұрын
" It does not drive the debate in a beneficial direction." There's no debate, the world is not culturally ready for battery cars and internal combustion engines can run extremely clean. eg Mercedes F1 car.
@rickagfoster
Жыл бұрын
@@grahamstrouse1165 Except when he doesn't. LFP thermal runaway rate is 1.5C per minute. Not enough for spectacular fires he's talking about. Ohhhh ya, he conveniently skipped that part of the study.
@shaneervin1305
Жыл бұрын
And John evidently has not yet read 2 leading counter-arguments to the so-called “climate emergency”, namely: • Fossil Future (Alex Epstein), and • Apocalypse Never (Michael Schellenburger) John has bought into the IPCC message without analyzing how the core conclusions of the scientific papers get distorted and cherry-picked by the summary process, and then again by the media.
@leisuresuitlaz1710
Жыл бұрын
@maisydaisy9970 that's because all Formula 1 cars that are used today are hybrids and use an electric motor as well
@zorbakaput8537
Жыл бұрын
You have moved the goalpost with the nuts you quote today, didn't think they could expand on the stupidity scale. John, you are now into the coconut scale of references.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Approaching 'peak nut' perhaps?
@tonyjourneyman1944
Жыл бұрын
I regard the macadamia as the king of nuts. Some of these are of macadamia quality.
@RalphEllis
Жыл бұрын
There is a climate emergency! Really? In reality…. US strong tornadoes have been DECREASING for 60 years (see NOAA data). Hurricanes and Typhoons have been STEADY for 45 years (see Dr Ryan Maue data). Heatwaves over 100 f have been DECREASING since the 1930s (see NOAA data). N Hemisphere snow extent has been INCREASING for 50 years. (see Rutgers snow-lab). Polar bear numbers have been increasing for 60 years. (see DR Sue Crockford data:) S Hemisphere sea-ice extent was INCREASING for 40 years, before a storm in 2017. (and extent is climbing back up again) (see NSIDC on climate4you) Ralph.
@bobmitchell8012
Жыл бұрын
Cadogan just loves the sound of his own voice.
@russlehman2070
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC We can only hope, because, if we haven't reached the peak yet, we're doomed.
@keegan773
Жыл бұрын
I love the howls of anguish from the mugs who have bought into the very expensive EV con. They just hate people pointing out all the problems and dangers associated with EV’s and won’t accept any criticism.
@bbwolf9925
Жыл бұрын
I have been driving a small EV since 2016 and would never go back to the hassle of ICE. Firstly the cars I have owned include three Jaguars (one a 5.3l V12), a 4 litre Jeep Grand Cherokee, 2 Ford Granadas and several Cortinas, Rovers, Vauxhall Omegas, Mitsubishi and Mazdas and dozens of others in 50 years of driving in the UK and Europe (and occasionally in the US). My only complaint is that the car has limited range (from new) but this is more to do with my wife's preferences. I don't love the car because the French stereo/radio is insane (though the sound is good when it works properly) but it is comfortable fast, convenient and a pleasure to drive: it is still excellent after seven years and it is as good now as it was new. It carries a surprising amount of cargo and is comfortable for four or five adults. I have never run out of charge and it always delivers more range than I expect. I drive within the speed limit as i often have a child in the car but I accelerate away from the lights faster than almost every other car. I have enjoyed driving for work and pleasure all my life and feel sorry for all those who talk shit about electric cars. Forty years ago I spent weekends repairing cars on the front drive, like my Dad before me: I was twelve when I first assisted him in changing a gearbox in his taxi and I was well into my thirties before I could afford to take my motors to professional mechanics. BTW my car costs less then £100 per year to service and the only costs are tyres. Mine is not a particularly "good" electric car and my next will be much better but it beats the shit out of all those petrol and diesel money pits. I have not mentioned climate change because although I believe it is a looming diaster, it is not why I drive electric: I do that because it is better and cheaper.
@Neojhun
Жыл бұрын
LOL that is some brainwashed ignorance to sell Fear. Love how you described it as the "expensive EV CON (job)". This EV Fire propaganda has done the rounds many times and will soon be go stale. This topic has been used many times to attack EV only to blow over when examples run out because how rarely they occur. BEVs are just as fire prone as DIESEL cars and no where as likely as Petrol Cars. The real EV Con is the Fire fear mongering all over again, it's getting tiring.
@hobaho
Жыл бұрын
I feel sympathy for those who have been conned & I'm sure there are some. As you say, videos like this powerfully point out things MUST be addressed to make EVs safer. At some point, manufacturers, lawmakers and the community will ignore at their peril. Things would have been similar when motor vehicles were first introduced and we considered leaving the horse and carriage behind. I suspect the transition to EVs will be just as quick. Let's watch and see.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
Жыл бұрын
@@bbwolf9925 Hope it's worth it when a KWH of electricity goes up past a gallon of gas in price... Once they have you hooked, they TAX... and GOUGE and there's just no ending. ;o)
@Hooliosis
Ай бұрын
@@bbwolf9925it’s great that it is better and cheaper for you, but being better and cheaper for one is not for everyone. I cannot find 1 EV that would suit me and would be cheaper in its lifetime than my current vehicle.
@barbossaa5527
Жыл бұрын
About access to multi story car parks for any kind of fire. The roof clearance is generally around 2 metres, no full size fire appliance is getting in anyway!
@Michael.Chapman
Жыл бұрын
Great scientific education on modern automotive battery technologies, great work, thank you :-)
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@jjtompson5914
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC Enovix BrakeFlow stops Lithium ion thermal runaway........ kzitem.info/news/bejne/lZ2c1oqQn518lmk
@RalphEllis
Жыл бұрын
There is a climate emergency! Really? In reality…. US strong tornadoes have been DECREASING for 60 years (see NOAA data). Hurricanes and Typhoons have been STEADY for 45 years (see Dr Ryan Maue data). Heatwaves over 100 f have been DECREASING since the 1930s (see NOAA data). N Hemisphere snow extent has been INCREASING for 50 years. (see Rutgers snow-lab). Polar bear numbers have been increasing for 60 years. (see DR Sue Crockford data:) S Hemisphere sea-ice extent was INCREASING for 40 years, before a storm in 2017. (and extent is climbing back up again) (see NSIDC on climate4you) Ralph.
@dandeeteeyem2170
Жыл бұрын
This channel is better than going to a therapist. The lulz here really do provide stress relief after a hard week 😂
@matthewblack5656
Жыл бұрын
Can confirm that the big Cat 1 fire trucks, RFS or Fire + Rescue in NSW carry around 3,000lt of water. Hope the fire is near a hydrant.
@timblaxland294
Жыл бұрын
Agree. Except any large underground carpark with fire sprinklers (>40 cars, per NCC) will have at least a verified Grade 3 water supply and external booster connections for sprinklers and hydrants. If that carpark is under a large building (>25m high) then it will have at least 25,000L on-site water storage for sprinklers (usually in the 50-70,000L range) and 25,000L for hydrants, in a Grade 1 water supply configuration. It is the small (
@Blanchy10
Жыл бұрын
I love your dedication to facts. Feelings are just a personal delusion and as such should be ignored when facts say otherwise.
@rambleon3698
Жыл бұрын
I love his dedication to wives. The more the merrier.
@jeremyashford2115
Жыл бұрын
The facts end where the appeal to authority takes over.
@beatreuteler
Жыл бұрын
Since there isn't any fact out as of yet on what caused the fire in all this stuff there's no such thing called "dedication to facts". On both sides it's all about speculation.
@fluffydyson2406
Жыл бұрын
Largely agree, but I think you're being a bit harsh on feelings...also you're presuming that what is a fact is as obvious as a jar of washers on the shelf.
@havenmist2216
Жыл бұрын
Has he ever taken on the actual issues of climate change, of CO2 saturation, feedback etc ... is so can you share vide title, would like to watch.
@regsparkes6507
Жыл бұрын
If today is not off to a good start for you, I can whole heartedly recommend a session on this screen with a video by George Carlin. This man was an absolute comedy icon. Somebody once said, 'humour is good medicine', well George's humour is the whole damn drug store.
@pierreballester5226
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I discovered you, you are instructive and witty and I like your colorful language!
@thermitebanana
Жыл бұрын
I watched a video from about the Fremantle Highway from some other channel right after the fire started, and I'm a regular viewer of this channel. Now KZitem thinks I'm obsessed with EV fires 🔥
@grahamstrouse1165
Жыл бұрын
Been watching the “What’s Happening with Shipping” by any chance? 🙂
@jamesreecewilson
Жыл бұрын
I grab a glass of red and kick back every time your videos release. It really is the high point of my week allowing me to laugh uncontrollably. Please keep this content coming. Side note, it's also informative! Cheers
@bigbopper143
Жыл бұрын
Thats the funny thing about passionate extreme Greens. They invariably shy away from the FACTS 😂😂
@simoncrooke1644
Жыл бұрын
Most extremists shy away from the facts. It's a prerequisite to holding an extreme position.
@Isclachau
Жыл бұрын
The ‘Nuts’ are most likely the suspects who have bought into and own an EV. And nobody must question their now green credentials and wise purchase of an EV. That they are internally regretting the decision of buying into it they still tell everyone they love their fire hazard. 😊
@OtisFlint
Жыл бұрын
The vast majority of EV buyers will never go back to ICE. We know first hand that the anti-EV propaganda is just that, and in the real world they are practical, reliable, efficient, green, and economical. Don't buy one for the wrong application (like towing long distances), don't buy one if you can't charge where you live, and don't buy one if you live in the middle of nowhere with no infrastructure. These constraints don't apply to the majority of people.
@Neojhun
Жыл бұрын
This is great example how brainwashed works really well. There is no fire extra hazard, you are more likely to burned in your Petrol Car. While you are ignoring the alternative which is a machine that Combust Petrol as it's normal operation. These are just the facts which Fear Mongering has done great work to break your brain.
@Brian-om2hh
Жыл бұрын
They're around 60 times *less* of a fire hazard than your car is. Thatcham, the UK based Road Safety and crash testing organisation, carried out a study into car fires, using all the data available globally. Once their study had concluded, the results showed there were 1529.9 fires per 100'000 ICE cars, and 25.4 fires per 100'000 electric cars. But hey, you'll probably still cling onto your misguided beliefs, as it suits your agenda.
@Isclachau
Жыл бұрын
@@OtisFlint I think you will be surprised. Even the manufacturers have realised nobody wants one. China especially. E Fuels are clearly the way to go. Unfortunately Politics has got in the way with big business and the wrong decisions as always will be made.
@theairstig9164
Жыл бұрын
I love my multiple fire hazards. I’m not hiding them and I am not shoving a virtue signalling agenda down my friends throats. I’m not telling people to get in my BEV instead of taking their own car. I have a BBQ gas bottle and my house is still gas heated. I also have solar. How does that fit your narrative?
@AB-jk7tw
Жыл бұрын
As always John, appreciate your practical, common sense, fact based views. Love the humour!
@thubandra963
Жыл бұрын
"When this thing hits 174 degrees F, you're going to see some serious shit". Back to the Future.
@michaelwebber4033
Жыл бұрын
Thinking about what you said there is a major shopping centre where I live which has charging points in the bottom of the high rise car park, I think I should tell them its highly dangerous
@timblaxland294
Жыл бұрын
You should. If they've done their homework, they will have had a qualified fire engineer undertake a fire safety assessment. I think it is the smaller carpark operators who are less likely to be so rigorous that are the bigger concern with regard to EV fire risk management.
@user-qb7li5ll9x
Жыл бұрын
there is a vloger ( E.V.) who seems convinced that Chinese EVs don't start on fire and those who say that they do are conspiracy theorists.
@215Gallagher
Жыл бұрын
I thought your piece on the 500 ev meltdown on the cargo ship had the poetic flare of Lawson or Patterson and stands with them in our literary canon.
@MrBunitj
Жыл бұрын
On the topic of big boats causing environmental damage, everyone should also look into what happens when the front falls off (Clarke and Dawe).
@beecee1235
Жыл бұрын
I'm making this comment before I even get past the first minute and a half of the video. 'God' help us all. If the situation wasn't so serious if would be funny. Any how, thanks for your continuous attempts to educate the listeners. Keep up the good work.
@tadstertrolley7770
Жыл бұрын
Some underground mines have now adopted fleets of lithium battery powered 50 ton trucks, loaders, light vehicles etc., i haven't heard of any incidents, but i would not want to be 3000ft down and have a massive lithium battery fire in my way of getting to the surface.....just another hazard i guess.
@joehelland1635
Жыл бұрын
Co2 was at an all time low prior to the Industrial revolution. In addition there has been no heat trend that can be tied to any Co2 measurements. The closest we can tell is that Heat comes about 10 years prior to an increase in Co2. (Co2 dissolves more into cold water than warm.) All raw data from NOAA and NASA are completely in agreement with my statements. In addition temperatures on earth are in a historic decline since 1930. As well we are no where near the historic high temperatures derived from indirect measurements for the past. Co2 levels are also No where near historic high measurements from prior to man (according to classic western view). Also 80% of Co2 emissions are emitted by China and they are doing nothing to curb this. any effort by the rest of the world is basically pointless if China doesnt also follow. pretty comical all told. The ridiculous Co2 Levels that the UN wants is so low all plant life would die. thats not a good idea at all.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
FFS, dude: try to keep up.
@joehelland1635
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC Ive Literally been following all the data on this for 25 years. Its been a particular interest of mine my entire adult life.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Confirmation bias, anyone?
@bogdan78pop
Жыл бұрын
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” I think everybody knows who said it...!
@stevesanders3992
Жыл бұрын
We just heard on the news that they want us to get EV's, and we are all going to change them for free at a public charging station then go home and power the house from the car? Like to see the outcome on a heatwave day with all the air-conditioning running while the car overheats in thy carport. I wonder how many will burn? Call me old fashioned but will stick to my ice car as it has over 100 years of testing backing it up. Thanks.
@Low760
Жыл бұрын
You need to stop watching the msm news as I'm sure that's not the full story.
@atticstattic
Жыл бұрын
It's always satisfying to hear 'America' pronounced correctly...
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
I always get a stiffy doing it...
@grantleyhughes
Жыл бұрын
I'm starting to enjoy EVs. The comedic material from the cult of electric. It's priceless.
@ChineseKiwi
Жыл бұрын
You do realise he mocked the dumb people on ‘both sides’ right? Less insecurity bogans.
@grantleyhughes
Жыл бұрын
@@ChineseKiwi Yes. There are stupid people everywhere. But the EV cultist are a special kind. They'll defend their purchase to the death, even knowing it's shortcomings. Like buying a big diesel tradie ute to run around town. But EV cultists get so offended if you criticise anything about the vehicle, charging, their special parking areas or the numerous faults. And that leads to comical joy for the rest of us.
@toddclean547
Жыл бұрын
The idiots who wrote these comments are the ones who sat in the back of the class in high school and pulled Ds and Fs. Then they got stoned at lunch. And as the author, your chemistry is dead on. (Straight Lithium is almost impossible to store or maintain - it has the highest reactivity rate on the one side of the periodic chart. Most people have never seen it or will EVER see it)
@timhicks2154
Жыл бұрын
I had an EV Numptard try to dispute that there’s 500 electric vehicles on that burning boat, the ‘Dutch Oven’.
@LogicPTK
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the 45 mins (plus post production) to make a 25min video. You have quite a few of those indestructible G-shock mudmasters! Can read it a mile a way. That's the color combo I bought. Your the only youtuber I've seen with such good taste, puts a smile on my face every video.
@waitpu4817
Жыл бұрын
Co2 makes up less than 0.04 % of the atmosphere. By volume, the dry air in Earth's atmosphere is about 78.08 percent nitrogen, 20.95 percent oxygen, and 0.93 percent argon. A brew of trace gases accounts for the other approximately 0.04 percent, including the gases carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Yawn. Tell NASA.
@waitpu4817
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC I'm sure they already know & they won't tell anyone, I mean really who's going to panic or feel that's anything to endanger our future?
@davidbarnsley8486
Жыл бұрын
Nasa like the csiro get funding from their respective governments So will push the narrative
@hammer313
Жыл бұрын
an 18650 lithium ion battery weighs about 45g, of that, about 0.5g is lithium.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Totally.
@HozieG
Жыл бұрын
Thanks John. Your pretty funny yourself, above average 😊 You're about the only thing that makes sense to my brain after trying to make sense of construction in "straya" at a (giggles) professional level. A voice of applied science and reason. Thankyou.
@christastic100
Жыл бұрын
Did you hear about the guy who stole lithium tablets and iron tablets from a chemist? The police charged him.
@robj205
Жыл бұрын
John, Great stuff and to those of us that fly electric RC airplanes, we have been dealing with thermal runaway fires from the beginning of the electric models powered by same. Rather depressing to have your expensive model burst into flame during a flight. Not a week goes by without at least one battery fire. We get a warning though.....if you pay attention, you can see the battery case showing swelling.....a precurser to a runaway. Going further, the suppliers have told us for years to not charge near anything flammable and we are instructed to keep the batteries in a steel ammo box, again, away from anything flammable. I have been surprised from the onset of lithium powered cars, that this is considered a 'safe' alternative to petrol. We keep a steel drum to throw a smoldering battery into so we don't start the woods on fire. Love your stuff from the U.S.A.........keep it up!
@RicardoPetrazzi
Жыл бұрын
John raises a lot of good points, but I can not agree with him 100% on the CO2 issue.
@brucetisdell9404
Жыл бұрын
give the global warning a break for petes sake, else next youll be advocating for a yes vote
@timhicks2154
Жыл бұрын
That bloke was right. There’s no Climate Crisis & no danger from CO2.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Try to be above average.
@timhicks2154
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC - I try every day.
@rhinogooner
Жыл бұрын
Great video John, I love the way you put your point across with straight talking. You say you don’t want be PM of Australia, good, come to the UK and be our PM our government is of the same standard as yours or maybe worse 😂
@BrucePotter
Жыл бұрын
@21:25 Maybe we are not addressing the problems of the major polluters at the production end because these are really difficult to resolve. Maybe we are concentrating on minor polluters like, cars, gas stoves and domestic electricity use because there's a lot of quick and easy money to be made at this consumer end of the problem.
@Kaozau
Жыл бұрын
@AutoExpertJC I Love getting my comic relief on a Friday after a stressful week at work. Keep up the great content and humor John.. love it
@villebooks
Жыл бұрын
Thank you John, so important knowledge to share in communities. I'm a science writer, firstresponder, work in civil protection and appreciate your expertise. Regards from Germany and respect to Down Under. - Susan Ville
@Torakitty2322
Жыл бұрын
But, you're the Australian version of AvE 😂 I love it!
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
He is awesome. Keep your dick in a vise!
@Low760
Жыл бұрын
John is less politicised than ave thankfully.
@Mike-zw7fq
Жыл бұрын
The so called " environment issue" is about Controlling People. How did that work out for Humanity in the past?
@davewalter1216
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the overview and for your information on EVs in general. My neighbour with a very fancy electric Hyundai is convinced that EVs are getting better all the time, cobalt is gone, and also he can repair and resell his electric bike on eBay with no worries. He parks his car in his garage and keeps his bike there too. Maybe, and he lives a half km away on a hill top so I'm not too worried, but I'm starting to get concerned about all the old lithium batteries from defunct weed whippers, electric drills, Telstra monstrosities and the like that are building up at my place. I have recycled a few in the past, but it is somewhere between an inconvenience (ie a long drive just to drop off a dead battery) and an extreme annoyance (like when I spent 40 minutes in line to dispose of my dead computer at the dump). If lithium ion batteries are a clear and present danger, then why don't local governments have a regular pick-up/recycling? (NB- I just got my rates bill and I'm not feeling well served by my local government (Queensland, semi-rural)).
@alanjenkins1508
Жыл бұрын
They won't undergo thermal runaway when discharged, although you might persuade them to burn.
@ryan1the8grate
Жыл бұрын
Co2 is not just not a problem; it's actually good. Yes that's right. And I'm not a boomer.
@grahamquigley8818
Жыл бұрын
Friday evening at John's is usually entertaining. Thank you for the laughs. (and the education)
@malph9216
Жыл бұрын
Regardless of what forum I comment on regarding the various 'issues' with EVs, I am bombarded with absolutely ridiculous arguments (mainly deflection) from the EV zealots who are absolutely enraged by any criticism. I eventually have to bale out because of their stupidity......and I have a life to lead. I'm a retired aerospace engineer, no expert in batteries and electronics admittedly, but I used to teach risk management in my later years, and how these EVs got onto the consumer market baffles me.
@boriss.861
Жыл бұрын
John Love the content especially your Roasts! Just put in Fire Suppression Blanket for Cars that was interesting as Pow Blankets for Scooters and Bikes came up as well. 3x2m blanket for a scooter £120.00 and for a car £2200.00. So when will insurers insist on a Blanket scooters and bikes if they are stored indoors. And an increase in the thickness of Intumescent Barriers in Garages in Domestic and for that matter commercial settings?
@wp958
Жыл бұрын
If a fire occurred in a parking station, just getting the fire fighting gear to the car would be a whole logistical issue in itself.
@user-kh2yl6nn3l
Жыл бұрын
Alright John, I don't sub to channels very easily, and I almost had an argument with the compressor video (turned out I jumped to conclusion a little early lol ) but totally agree with everything I've seen from you . Needless to say, I am a new subscriber . Thanks for your common sense and knowledge from an old American . :) If you haven't already, check out Cutting Edge Engineering, He's an Australian too and a hell of a Machinist and fabricator . :)
@dougphillips239
Жыл бұрын
Interesting to notice the spacing of the big bags of lithium waste (includes whole battery cells) in the outside storage area at Redmond recycling is significant. Maybe cars on a ship should be spaced similarly.
@guenthermichaels5303
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your series of videos on this serious issue. In my condominium, we have allowed some owners to install chargers in their underground parking slots for their ev's, providing they paid for their own chargers. This fire issue was never raised when the board approved the installs. This is an issue every Condo building needs to address. Again, thanks for the information. Kind regards from Toronto
@robt8042
Жыл бұрын
Latest news: 4th August 2023 "A freighter carrying thousands of cars, which caught fire in the North Sea last week, was towed into a Dutch port on Thursday, averting an environmental disaster. The Fremantle Highway was taken in by tugboats to the northern port of Eemshaven, where dozens of spectators lined a sea wall to watch the scorched, blackened hulk move slowly into the harbour." Luckily it did not sink.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Luck was definitely a factor. I'm particularly pleased the load didn't shift catastrophically en route, under tow.
@marklittle3551
Жыл бұрын
Maintain the rage Johnno! Hopefully you get through to the woke so that this issue is addressed somehow?
@SureJungle23247
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wish George Carlin was still around these days, I'd love to see his routines about EVs, woke idiots and all the other stuff that doesn't make sense these days, he would have field day.
@matthewblack5656
Жыл бұрын
Electric vehicles seem to be very expensive to insure. Not my personal experience, just from comments I see with increasing regularity.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
True. They are.
@thebruffy1077
Жыл бұрын
Capture and storage. Go no further than your nearest tree. The shells on the prawns or the crushed seashell on the beach.
@swedishbob_7315
Жыл бұрын
Peanuts are not real nuts they are legumes
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Cashews aren't nuts any more either - no idea what their pronouns are today...
@NickRatnieks
Жыл бұрын
"This is the sort of stuff you should learn at High School in basic chemistry..." Yes, I did- but that was over 50 years ago, so you would need a time machine to get that education in most parts of the Western world, these days.
@stephensizer9917
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos John. While i don't always agree with your opinion or framing, i do recognise and appreciate how you do the research and provide the numbers. Good on you. Cheers, (self-confessed EV nut)
@valenrn8657
Жыл бұрын
Australia is already at Net Zero. Australian forests absorb 940 million tonnes of carbon dioxide per annum compared to our domestic and industrial emissions of 417 million tonnes. Add to that the absorption of carbon dioxide in continental Australia to the carbon dioxide adsorption of 2,500,000 square kilometers of continental shelf waters and Australia sequesters some five times as much carbon dioxide as it emits. Australia does more than its share of the heavy lifting for the global sequestration of carbon dioxide. Since Australia has a small population for a given land mass, Australia sequesters some five times as much carbon dioxide as it emits.
@brucemackinnon6707
Жыл бұрын
Hey J.C. do you know what the average level of CO2 in the last 600m years is? Try 3,000 ppm. About there. What level of CO2 do plants need to do photosynthesis before they die? Around 200 ppm. Where are we now? About 400 ppm. It has been in a straight line decline in the past 150 m years. If it gets much lower, crops will shrink fast. They pump CO@ into greenhouses to grown a lot of A grade crops. The more CO@ a plant has the less water it needs to perform photosynthesis. I am aware you are confident you are an expert in everything, 😂We breathe the oxygen plants produce. We are very close to mass extinction right now, if the plants die, so do we. This is the real science, not the quackery you read.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Yawn. Try to keep up.
@davidbarnsley8486
Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t like it when you point out real facts We need more co2 in the atmosphere to grow food
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
No. That's incorrect.
@jim_herd
Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely not critical. I’ve become more aware of the fire risk with EVs over the last year or two. I live in an apartment block with an underground car park. I certainly don’t fancy sitting on top of an inferno. We’ve got a few EVs in there now. Might explain the hike in insurance premiums the last few years:(. They’ve got to come up with safer battery chemistries. The risk is pretty insane. Fires might be rare but that’s not much compensation when you’re staring at the pile of ashes which were once 80 flats.
@peterantonic6923
Жыл бұрын
John this was an awesome, pointed video exposing the diminishing level of intelligence of some members in society. Some may wonder why people don’t use their common sense, but if common sense was so common, then wouldn’t we find evidence of it more often?🤔 Thank you for another entertaining video, please keep them coming. 😁👍🇦🇺
@oliverlaw02
Жыл бұрын
UK Government are keeping their guidelines for fire safety of EV's quiet and almost hidden. They recommend electric vehicles with damaged batteries should be “quarantined 15 meters” from other vehicles due to the risk of battery fires. Not many mechanics will want to repair EV's or store damage EV's in their garage.
@HypocriticYT
Жыл бұрын
Spelling out facts to nut’s never gets through the tough shell 😊
@simplemechanics246
Жыл бұрын
Plants loves CO2, you did not know that?
@animal355
Жыл бұрын
Another great video; I’m so glad I discovered your channel, it’s where common sense and facts meet. Keep up the great work 👏
@wanted-33
Жыл бұрын
I just read a post on another KZitem car channel. The guy said, "We need to import Chinese EV's to America. They have never had a failure". I damn near fell out of my chair laughing. BTW John, your description of the Australian Government sounds exactly like my description of America's government.
@natejohnson284
Жыл бұрын
Woeful Timestamps 1:29 LiFP Batteries 4:31 Spraying water on EVs lithium nonsense 7:07 More lithium metal confusion nonsense 7:20 Yet another lithium metal confusion nonsense 8:55 Eat lithium batteries its good for you 10:18 PM Cadoges 11:34 Hearing/Comprehension Deficiency 13:03 Is the EV fire worse than an oil spill? 14:35 Climate denialism BS 16:09 Source on vehicle emissions 22:10 SMEF 23:11 Your z-score is probably below 0
@brikfiend
Жыл бұрын
John , regarding climate change , have you listened to Dr Patrick Moore , former co-founder of Greenpeace on Co2 ? Dr. Patrick Moore-- Carbon and Climate Catastrophe
@henry3395
Жыл бұрын
John should stick to his wealth of knowledge of cars. When discussing ‘climate’ he acts and sounds like Greta Thunberg, known for the phrase “how dare you”.
@AdamMansbridge
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this At the start of this, my take is: EVs, really any cars, rarely catch fire just sitting there They do sometimes catch fire charging, especially the cheap and new brands to electric (including Tesla when they were new) They sometimes catch from debris on the road when driving But regardless of how the fire starts, if there's an EV in the way (or a backup battery) the fire will be catastrophic I charge my EV outside I think my neighbour was badly advised when they installed their home battery next to the front door I'm looking forward to getting an update
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
I think you're on point here.
@bernardblack7677
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC I would be very interested in hearing what you could dig up on Spirit of Tasmania’s procedures for dealing with thermal runaway events in it’s vehicle hold.
@simoncrooke1644
Жыл бұрын
@@bernardblack7677Pray.
@uzaiyaro
Жыл бұрын
It’s ironic that here in Queensland, we use electric locomotives to haul coal in the middle of nowhere but we use diesel locomotives in and around Brisbane. I’ve never understood that. Cleaner air would be nice in the big cities.
@supercededman
Жыл бұрын
I note that EV evangelists often cite the sales numbers of EVs, particularly Tesla's domination of the market. Whilst I would not argue that Tesla make fine EVs, the 'tactic' to dodge the obvious environmental issues in both construction and ultimate disposal of these cars ignores the very real present threat to our health and safety, as detailed so surgically by John. As much as I like Electric Viking - and I watch all of his videos - he is Exhibit A for this kind of cultism.
@alanplumbridge9097
Жыл бұрын
If you have some evidence that atmospheric CO2 levels correlate with global temperatures, I’d love to see it, I’ve been looking for years.
@sandyfoot
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your ‘non-word salad’ opinions and explanations . Very refreshing. I am impressed with your ideas (not surprised because you are an engineer and understand complex systems). If we had 151 engineers in parliament instead of politicians (who have never worked a day in the real world in their lives) not only would the problems be solved, they would probably have been avoided.
@sullivanrachael
Жыл бұрын
Politicians are interested in power. And usually money. Engineers enjoy solving problems - usually the technical kind. Politicians use engineers to make tools to control the people. Certain jabs and EVs?
@leisuresuitlaz1710
Жыл бұрын
Speaking of engineers Tesla has and attracts the best engineers in the world right now as well as the ones working at SpaceX. JC is only a Utuber and a journalist with opinions and assumptions lol
@sullivanrachael
Жыл бұрын
@@leisuresuitlaz1710 engineers solve technical problems. Nothing wrong with that. But the point about the Battery EV is the concept is wrong. The future cannot depend on the EV. 1) we don’t have enough mining capability nor recycling capability to cope with all the batteries. 2) We don’t generate enough electricity - and have no hope of doing so without nuclear. Renewables provide energy when the sun is out or the wind blows strongly. Not nearly enough for cold dark winter evenings. The weak link about the EV is the batteries - I’m not saying it won’t work because at small scale it does. Hybrids (PHEVs) are good because they lower ICE emissions; but banning ICE before EV is mature is idiocy from the WEF. It cannot be done unless lifestyles become drastically energy reduced. Impoverished is a better word. This is why the adoption of EVs is like joining a religious cult; you need to believe in pseudoscience and rhetoric. The fact Tesla have really talented engineers doesn’t make those people able to bend the laws of physics!!
@z987k
Жыл бұрын
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, and I just went to look this up again, but the safety factor with the LiFePO4 batteries isn't that they don't thermal runaway, it's that they don't self oxidize in that state. The primary gas release is H2 secondary CH4, which, yes quite flammable, but you can at least put that fire out.
@maxtorque2277
Жыл бұрын
This ^^^ our pet "auto expert" who seems to be a angry old man in a shed, is unforunately not actually an expert in batteries. He therefore reads some stuff, forms an incorrect opinion and jumps to a conclusion. He then presents this as "fact" and his wolf whistle followers lap it up. LFP are significantly safer because as you say, not only do they have a higher thermal runnaway temperature, they can be more easily extinguished. These significantly higher thresholds means that a single cell short is less likely (note not impossible, but significantly less probable) to propogate and drive a full battery fire. You can look at the science and make up your own mind and the data is easily avaialble should you wish to do this. it's worth noting however that which everway you spin the science to people will insufficient subject matter expertise, the facts are very clear,namely BEVs are much less likely to catch on fire for the following reasons: 1) The no1 world wide cause of "car fires" is nothing really to do with the car. The no1 world wide cause of car fires is that car setting fire to dry grass or scrub, form either a hot exhaust line compenent or from a spark emitted from the exhaust. As BEVs clearly don't have hot exhausts, even if they suffered exactly the same fire probability (and they don't) as an ICE, then globally "car fires" would be cut by around 30% or more 2) The second largest cause of car fires is a flamable lubricant leaking (either after a crash or due to mechanical failure of some sort) and being ignited by, yup, hot exhaust line components. Here transmission, power steering, engine oil and often in fact brake fluid are the main contributors. Again, clearly, with no hot exhaust line this again makes BEVs non-succeptable to this initiator (another 15% reduction). Because these oils and lubricants have a higher vapour point they are actually easier to ignite with a hot source, unlike for petrol that simply vapourises before it gets to its auto-ignition temperature, and because the liubricants themselves are already hot (engine/ trans oil runs at around 110 to 130 degC in a modern car) 3) Fuel fires on ICE vehicles are relatively uncommon, but they do occur, and clearly the liquid fuel can leak from a storage tank (not just the vehicles tank of course, this include the entire supply chain) and be ignitied by an external source. There is no liquid fuel that can escape from a BEV, so again, knock off another 5% or so probability 4) Low voltage electrical fires are a major cause of all vehicle fires (~25%). A short circuit due to worn, corroded or accident damaged wiring or componentry is common and typically results in a full hull loss as that fire spreads to the interior or under bonnet area of cars with increasingly a higher inflamable content (plastics and insulations etc). Now whilst a BEV still has a large and complex low voltage electrical system they are slightly more resistant to this kind of fault because: a) they don't have the starting system high current wiring required for the starter and alternator of a car with an ICE. That wiring is by far the largest cause of LV fires, particularly after an accident, and before around 2005 onwards when battery terminal fusing and pyro links became std fit to most cars this was a much large causality. b) They have a much smaller energy capacity LV battery. This limits somewhat the energy that can be delivered to a short circuit compared to that delievered by a larger, lower resistance engine starter sized battery c) Their LV systems are typically more highly monitored because they need to limit the energy they use for hotel loads. More monitoring means short circuits are very easily determined and disconnected by the vehicles LV PDU before they cause a hot spot and fire So for roughly 75% or more of the most common causes of a car fire, the BEV is less susceptable (again, lets note, we are not talking about "unsuceptable" or "zero chance of a fire" mearly a lower statistical probability. It is important when we look at a fleet of vehicles to use stastical methods to accurate work out the probability rather than use any singular case. This should be obvious to most, eg putting a seat belt on lowers the PROBABILITRY of dying in a crash it does not stop you dying in a crash...... Now lets talk about the Anti-EVs favourite bit, the BEV high voltage traction battery!! Here, clearly we have a large amount of stored energy in a device that indeed includes materials that can become thermally unstable. Does this remind you of anything? How about the fuel tank of a ICE car, a container holding a HUGE amount of energy (at least 5 times more energy than a vehicle battery btw) and again a fluid that if ignited will certainly burn. And yet, we all drive ICE cars all the time without a problem. Why is that? well of course it's because the fuel system of an ICE is EXPLICITYLY DESIGNED AND TESTED TO REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF STATISTICAL SAFETY. And guess what, the Traction battery of a BEV is the same. In fact, the traction battery of most BEVS is actually engineered to roughtly 3 to 5 times high safety factor than for the fuel system of a ICE model precisely because that battery can hard to extinguish once ignited! This is why BEV traction battery fires are so rare. Once we remove the other causalities mentioned the HV traction battery is incredibly unlikely (note: not never!) to cause a fire. World wide statistics and OEM level data (i work in OE vehicle engineering and have done for 35 years now, including crash and safety systems and electrical systems including HV systems for a range of vehicles and manufacturers, both ICE, hybrid and BEV) is very clear, BEVS present an overall lower risk of fire than ICE. The points i mention above should be clearly obvious to most, so this fact shouldn't really be very suprising. For balance, lets look at the downeside of BEV fires 1) they are difficult to extinguish once the battery reaches it's thermal runaway temperature. Absolutely the case, and this drives a different fire fighting approach, using fire blankets and water baths or jets to reduce temperatures and collateral spreading rather than directly try to extinguish the fire. Worth noting that a BEV actually takes significantly longer to get to thermal runaway in a fire not caused internally in thetraction battery (ie most fires) and so there is actually a longer window of possibility during the early stages of the fire (and ICE fuel tank gets compromised significantly sooner (typically within 400 seconds of a serious body or underside fire) due to it's lower level of thermal protection (underslung plastic fuel tank) and the lower thermal inertia of that storage system (quicker to heat up) Also worth noting that the total heat release of an ICE or a BEV buring is very similar because the "fuel" in the car is only one of the sources of the heat energy. The plastics, rubber and interior burning actually release most of the heat. If you would like to see a comparison between buring an ICE and a hybrid and BEV look here: wiki.unece.org/download/attachments/25270993/EVSTF-03-29e.pdf?api=v2 The heat release profile is somewhat different (ICE has higher earlier heat release as tank ruptures and drives a faster overall burn and BEV burns "slower and longer") but the absolute heat release is very similar. Ie either one buring is bad news for anything around it unless tackled very early on (note both can be effectively damped during burning) 2) Today the biggest cause of BEV fires is not the car itself, it is fires caused by underrated charging supplys. BEV charging is a "new" thing. Just like in the early days of refuelling ICE's when people would regularily set fire to things whilst spilling fuel, today, people experience charging system fires because those systems are not suitable rated or robust for the task. This applies primarily to domestic charging of course, where people plug in the high current long period load of a BEV and the wiring overheats and catches on fire. These absoluetly do cause fires, often recorded as "electric vehicle fire" despite it not really being anything to do with the vehicles themselves (plenty of people burn down their garages and sheds and houses each year with gasoline fires from stores of fuel used for mowers and machinery, but these don't get recored as "car fires"). We will and are seeing more of these charginf fires as more people start to charge at home, but this is likely to be a short term effect. Legistlation, testing and simple experience are all going to drive this fire causality down over time, again, no different to people learning that smoking whilst pouring fuel into your mower is not very smart. I hope this (long) post helps people to understand the true picture, the necessary requirement to understand probability and statistics when looking at such things, and hopefully, make people less likely to simply parrot out one-liners and "black and white" facts when the true picture is very much more shades of grey 🙂
@mathewrussell1533
Жыл бұрын
@@maxtorque2277 I feel like you had this response prepared already. I mean I’m not hating it. Just yeah I was reading a test on LFP vs different NMC batteries in thermal runaway tests. And in the time it took me to read that paper you came out with this…..
@maxtorque2277
Жыл бұрын
@@mathewrussell1533 I work in the industry, nothing was pre-prepared, i simply typed out what i know and information i work with on a daily basis Ask me anything about batteries, BEVs or ICE and i'll do my best to answer honestly as i can and with supporting facts! (i have 35 years direct OEM level pass car experience and have worked for lots of major OEs and most of the worlds leading consultancys)
@Low760
Жыл бұрын
@@maxtorque2277so many words. But the fact that you can put out a petrol based(oil fuel etc) fire pretty easily with a powder extinguisher vs needing a lot more to put out an electric vehicle once the battery has reached 80°c or whatever it is that breaks the barrier between the chemicals, is the key concern I have. Even if an engineer says it's not likely to happen, well, I've seen the results of that plenty of times as a mechanic.
@JamesSmith-qs4hx
Жыл бұрын
It is great to hear people speaking truth about all this EV nonsense 🔥
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
I don't think EVs are nonsense. I do think we need better safeguards.
@JamesSmith-qs4hx
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC I was talking about Geoff Buys Cars then 🤣🤣🤣
@rlevo
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJCbut is it possible?
@gingernutpreacher
Жыл бұрын
@@JamesSmith-qs4hxbut he's says diesel cars are ok
@JamesSmith-qs4hx
Жыл бұрын
@@gingernutpreacher I ❤Diesel.
@Tadders
Жыл бұрын
This should be really good, thanks John (:
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
They are export grade.
@alexgallacher5720
Жыл бұрын
G'day John, rhere's a guy in the UK called PetrolPed. He's just done an EV tewing test. But I'm writing about the technology of the towing hitch and the caravan. The caravan was attached to a top spec BMW electric vehicle by a connection unlike any I've ever seen, and the caravan (Chichester Caravans UK) had the equivalent of its own stability control. which also picked up the BMW's settings? The guy claimed this could stop the dreaded weave. It's about halfway through the video so skip to that as I guess you don't need to be told the range was halved towing a 1.5 tonne van!
@ashley-johnbrown1635
Жыл бұрын
Love the twinkle you get in your eye when talking about acetylene. Those that know why...... well know😂
@Low760
Жыл бұрын
I've cut up enough old truck body frames to love the gas axe.
@Perforator2000
Жыл бұрын
We're so screwed, as a species. We have radically changed the chemistry of the atmosphere and I don't think we're going to invent a way out of the impending climate disaster. It's accelerating, and the feedbacks are hitting harder and faster than anyone expected. The trajectory right now looks worse than most of the worst-case projections, and we're still only increasing the use of fossil fuels. The inertia and latency in the climate system is immense, so it has me very surprised to see the ball going down the hill this fast already. Given that half the fossil fuels ever burned were used in the last 30 years, we're only beginning to see where it's taking us.
@timhicks2154
Жыл бұрын
Oh crap. You’ve upset the EVangelists.
@mikeandhev
11 ай бұрын
Perhaps EV should be replaced by ECV, Externally Combustible Vehicle.
@user-sm8se2ug4b
Жыл бұрын
People don't know what they don't know
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Unknown unknowns are the worst.
@matthewblack5656
Жыл бұрын
DK syndrome
@Brian-om2hh
Жыл бұрын
How do you know that?
@odnamsrazor2364
Жыл бұрын
claiming that a climate emergency exists while quoting Al Gore is about the apotheosis of Boomer.
@sofascialistadankulamegado1781
Жыл бұрын
I admire your resilience to all this ignorance. I really do. Your KZitem channel has been a long-term interest of mine. It has developed gracefully and it keeps getting better. Thanks Mr Cadogan. ❤
@yeeebayeeba4268
Жыл бұрын
Let me give you some good advice. Don't take any climate alarmist seriously unless they advocate for nuclear power.
@bushy0299
Жыл бұрын
No need to thank me for the thumbs up, it's my way of saying "Thank you "
@XenonJohnD
Жыл бұрын
The initial Dutch coastguard quote was "It’s carrying cars, 2,857, of which 25 are electrical cars, which made the fire even more difficult. It’s not easy to keep that kind of fire under control and even in such a vessel it’s not easy". Nobody actually knows which type of car started the fire and they did not say an EV started the fire either, the press said that. It may have been an EV, it may not. This figure has since been updated to 3,783 cars, including 498 EVs. An EV is the LEAST likely vehicle to catch fire per 100K miles driven, by a very large margin. Hybrids are the worst, then gas, then EV. The data on this is well known, freely available and collected by insurance companies. This trend should continue downwards as the battery chemistries change. That is why insurance companies are happy to insure them, they generally like to make a profit. If they were spontaneously combusting all the time, you would not be able to get insurance. Around 50% of Tesla's now being produced have no cobalt in the batteries as most manufacturers pivot to Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LFP) chemistries which are not at all the same as the Lithium-Ion you find in your mobile phones and laptops. It does continue to be used in refining of gasoline however, which has always been the case. EV's require far less maintenance and servicing, including brake pads, which are the big income generators for dealers, so criticism, fact based or not, will continue to come from gas companies, the garage/servicing industry, mainstream press and even car companies themselves themselves that struggle to make any profit on EV's in competition with Tesla. This is not a rant, you can check all this data for yourself, it is all available, just calmly do your own research.
@Brian-om2hh
Жыл бұрын
All cars are electrical. You obviously meant electric cars...... And yes, an EV is around 60 times *less* likely to catch fire.
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