This episode honestly gave me the push to go and get the help (therapy) I needed - only on like my fifth re-watch but still. Really grateful that this episode exists. Also on the topic of Yaz's mental health, in the Season 11 episode "The Witchfinders", she mentions having been bullied at school in the past by a classmate, who turned the whole class against her. The novelisation of that episode expands on that a little, and shows that it was specifically racist and islamophobic bullying.
@jamesrichards1045
2 жыл бұрын
Katrina you have such a beautiful soul
@ghostsurfer23
2 жыл бұрын
Two things to say about this episode: 1) I love the inclusion of villains like this. There's this phenomenal youtuber named Diamanda Hagan who talks a lot about the differences between NuWho and Old Who, and one thing they said that I found interesting is that in Old Who, the Doctor is firmly a renegade. They're rebelling against authority. And in NuWho, the show still writes the Doctor like that, but the Doctor is also shown repeatedly to be the highest authority. Time Lords are gone, anything above the Time Lords are gone or never addressed. So there's a bit of a disconnect with the themes there. So re-establishing Eternals or Eternal-like entities throws a spanner into the gears of status quo. Good stuff. 2) I remember when this episode came out, people reeeeeally harped on the Thirteenth Doctor sort of brushing off Graham towards the end. Said it was cold and callous and un-Doctor like. But really, can you imagine David Tenant or Matt Smith's Doctors actually giving good advice in that moment? Or would they just say some general platitudes which are nice but could be applicable to anyone? I liked the reaction because it helps cement what Thirteen's "thing" is, which is that they're not so good with people, or the little stuff (not saying Graham's concerns aren't valid) I feel like the show really struggled to give her a unique identity; it just kind of throws her scraps of Ten and Eleven's personality; she's one of the most subdued Doctors we've ever gotten, and I kinda wish she wasn't. But moments like the one she had with Graham help, I think.
@firefly24601
2 жыл бұрын
I actually CAN imagine Matt Smith giving good advice in this situation. He did it with Amy in "Vincent and the Doctor." And that, I think, is why seeing 13 in this way was so surprising for some people. With the (admittedly broad) comparisons of mental health in both episodes, I think some people expected a response like 11 would have done. To be sure, Series 8 Capaldi would have had a hard time giving good advice in this situation, and that's one of the reasons I feel like 13's response was within the realm of expected responses the Doctor might have. So while I would have preferred an 11 response, early 12 is ok with me too.
@sallyatticum
2 жыл бұрын
Clara actually gave the Doctor index cards for how to respond appropriately in such situations. The Tenth Doctor was patting himself on the back about the conglomerate when Martha reminded him Chan-Tho (I think it was) just said her race was wiped out.
@ghostsurfer23
2 жыл бұрын
@@sallyatticum Yeah, but those examples are meant to be endearing and/or funny, whereas with 13 people treat it like bad writing.
@sallyatticum
2 жыл бұрын
@@ghostsurfer23 I hated the the thing with the note cards, myself.
@maliksimon5604
2 жыл бұрын
Love Support and Prayers for all who struggle.. I hope you find your way to comfort support and healing Katrina. Thanks for all the great episodes though
@knitcrochettiger361
2 жыл бұрын
if you see a good person that is STRONG and still compassionate, it is a safe bet they struggled in the past....they fought some of their own demons and won.....but if you see a strong person who is selfish, self-cetnered, self-serving or a psychopath....they were strong and confident all along without having to wrestle their own demons...they have always been friends of their demons.....deprssion and anxiety are some of the worst demons to face.....i love how the old man with the fingers was a metaphor for depression (because he longed so much to have his companion back) and the girl in the prison was anxiety (she was anxious for freedom).....and the 2 of the eternals fed on fear and insecurity
@tomski120
2 жыл бұрын
I loved the doctors reaction to Graham, not everybody will understand what your going through. But it's important you listen and don't judge. Paula rocking the Audrey Hepburn look 👍
@thequietguy1648
2 жыл бұрын
I am lovin' how much you're both not hatin'! I do like Jodie's Doctor, but is she my favouritest? Probably not... But then, Capaldi was ALWAYS going to be to a (VERY) tough act to follow... ...and as for the stories, I thought they were plenty entertaining - and, let's face it, every season has had their dud-or-few - but I think most viewers wanted a "Story Arc", which never came... (Nay matter here... I grew up with the Classic stuff and, whilst each story had an arc, few seasons had the thread today's audience - and the previous seasons of New Who offered - seeked. Stay calm, folks! It's only a story! :D ;) :p
@whobp8
2 жыл бұрын
The stuff with Ryan's friend and Yaz's past are good, but I wish they were developed a little more so it didn't feel as if they come out of the blue. We saw Ryan hanging out with friends in the opening story of this season, we could have met this guy then and briefly established Ryan's concern for him, a seed that would come to fruition now. Instead we get, "Hey, remember my friend that I've never mentioned before? Well I've got to go see him about that problem which I've never told you about." It's like that episode of The Simpsons where Roy is suddenly living with them without explanation. It's nice to see Yaz get some characterization. She gets exactly one bit of depth per season and this is it for this year. If her character had had any development at all prior to this, we might have had an inkling that this was part of her backstory. The Doctor not saying anything to Graham when he confesses his concerns about his health, feels like a wasted opportunity as well. Sorry if I sound like I'm shitting on this story, I actually do like it, but I'm frustrated by the writing. Like most of Chibnall's work on Doctor Who, there's a great idea here, but the execution is kind of half assed. And it's more frustrating when I realize that he wrote Broadchurch and clearly knows how to write character beats, but inexplicably doesn't on this show.
@NicoleM_radiantbaby
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, while I'm happy for the character stuff, I agree it's all a bit out of nowhere and, IMO, a little too late in the game. 🤷♂
@adamturnsheel
2 жыл бұрын
Also can we talk about Paula working those bangs?
@ABrecher
2 жыл бұрын
I see she redecorated (her head). I don't like it. :p
@andrewbowman4611
2 жыл бұрын
The thing about the two villains of the piece is they're not the main focus of the story. If anything, they're representations of the main themes of it. Essentially, they're our darkest thoughts made flesh. The ease with which they were defeated represents the battle won with depression or anxiety or whatever. Like a lot of the Chibnall era, there's a deeper meaning behind the narrative. I suspect, as some of the younger fans of today get older, the intent behind this iteration of the show will become more apparent over time.
@TheLibrarianOG1
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I wish more people understood this, especially about this era, as a whole. I've found that Chibnall's work in this era has more rewatch value and meanings behind it as you go back, perhaps more than any other era of the show
@simongiles9749
2 жыл бұрын
Quite like Vincent and the Doctor in that respect. Edit: the Gals point this out near the end. Mind you, quite a few Moffat era stories were like that.
@andrewbowman4611
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLibrarianOG1 It's similar to his earlier work in Torchwood, specifically Day One and Cyberwoman. I remember at the time people were complaining about the sexual element of the former, or the sexy design of the latter, as if that was what those stories were about. In fact, Day One is about a young woman who is possessed by an alien entity, and is forced to go on a killing spree for the alien's benefit, and her struggles to retain her own Identity - not that dissimilar to Resolution, in fact. Cyberwoman is a love story, about one man's unwillingness to accept the passing of the love of his life, and his attempts to keep her alive at all costs, even betraying his friends in the process. It's a dark fairytale, essentially. Yes, there are examples of adult humour in both, but they're just there as window dressing. The main meat of those stories is as I've described. Oddly, Chibnall's first popular script, Countrycide, loses it's impact each time one watches it; it's about a group of cannibals in rural Wales, and not much else, frankly.
@andrewpragasam
2 жыл бұрын
I love this episode. It's creepy and imaginative with an emotionally cathartic coda. Great reaction, G-gals. Yup, I was hoping for another lady doctor too. Oh well, open hearts, open minds and all that. Also stay strong Katrina. Believe me, we've all been there. You both rock!
@joshuajoshua2732
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when i first saw this episode there were some complaints about the ending of this episode where Graham talks about his cancer might be returning to The Doctor and how she handles it by saying "she's socially awkward" and "i might just move over there" instead of comforting him but some people seem to forget The Doctor is an alien she does not think the same way as a human thinks she's bound to have different customs and points of view. The Toymaker reference was another eternal villain in a William Hartnell episode called "The Celestial Toymaker" dating back to 1966 and The Guardians were also an eternal villain during Peter Davison's run called "Enlightenment" dating back to 1983. This is the only episode and the series finale out of the Jodie/Chibnall era i didn't like which ill explain why when you get to that but for this episode it's a show meant to be for escapism alot of people don't want to be reminded about how bad mental health is we get it but it's not something they should bring into Dr. Who that's something best addressed in soap operas. Also the TARDIS use to be a safe haven but since the Jodie era it now seems anyone can just get in the TARDIS also The Doctor has jedi powers all of a sudden which she never had when she reaches for her sonic screwdriver from her pocket and that girl that she picks up i didn't really see the purpose of her being in this episode she was just kind of there. This is the only episode so far i consider the worst of this series.
@booradley8895
2 жыл бұрын
The not getting in the TARDIS is a new thing as far as I can tell. The same with the bad guys not being able to shoot straight
@NicoleM_radiantbaby
2 жыл бұрын
The Eternals! The Guardians! The Toymaker! I love the old school Classic references in this, however brief they were. 💞 This is also one of the few Chibnall/Jodie-era stories I really love, as I think overall it's a great look at mental health struggles -- which is really the worst villain of the piece. (I still remember hoping for this to be Yaz's coming out ep back when it aired, but oh well. I still think that was off-stage and the cop was also gay, but that's my fanon.)
@christianwise637
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've come across an episode of this show that has frustrated me more than this one. It's not a bad episode at all, in fact I'd call it a pretty damn good one, but the problem is that this episode is so SO close to being a magnificent story, but falls tragically short in quite a few areas. There's so much stuff crammed into this episode, so many ideas and big concepts being juggled, and there's just not enough time to give all of them enough time and focus. The end result is that the episode suffers from some awkward and clunky pacing and an incredibly rushed resolution, making me think that this episode desperately needed a second part in order to really work. Still, I really enjoyed "Can You Hear Me?" and find it to be one of the strongest episodes from the Chibnall era. A big part of this was due to the villains, who are some of the most conceptually creative enemies from this era, and I'd really love to see them come back in RTD's next era. The idea of these two immortal Godlike beings who weaponise our trauma and mental health issues and use them to torture us for their own amusement is a brilliant and absolutely horrifying concept that makes for some very effectively unnerving sequences (that scene of Zellin in that kid's bedroom was really eerie). These sequences are fantastically directed, bringing a delightful surreal dreamlike feel to the story that emphasises the unnerving atmosphere and makes the episode feel distinctly different from its peers. What's more, these two characters boast a fantastic design, both of them are played very well by their respective actors (especially Ian Gelder as Zellin, who's one of my favourite guest stars from this era), and their backstory, conveyed in that beautiful animated segment, is really fascinating. Both of them are really compelling and effective villains, and it makes me all the more disappointed that they were dealt with so quickly and anticlimactically, The other thing I really appreciated about this episode was the fact that for once we actually get to explore the companions and their own internal struggles. This is especially potent in Yaz's case; everybody and their mother has commented on how underdeveloped she has been as a character, so it's great that "Can You Hear Me?" has finally taken some steps to rectify this. The reveal that she suffered a lot of personal struggles that caused her to run away from home makes for a compelling and interesting backstory, and the scenes between her and the police officer were genuinely sweet and moving. It finally allows her to develop some semblance of character, and Mandip Gill plays the part beautifully. Similarly, given how underused he's felt for the first half of this season, it's great to see Ryan get more focus too, showing his conflicted feelings about neglecting his home life and his continual absences causing great harm to them and his world as a whole. His scenes with his friend were genuinely sweet and heartfelt, while that nightmare sequence set in an post-apocalyptic world was genuinely freaky stuff. Graham's nightmare sequence was also effectively creepy, and it's nice to see Sharon D. Clarke make a brief return as a hallucination of Grace. It's just a shame that this doesn't really go anywhere, except for that final scene, which is...highly divisive to say the least. I see what the writers were going for, but it feels incredibly out of character for the Doctor to not offer any words of comfort, or even just a hug, upon hearing Graham pour his heart out like that. But aside from that moment and my grievances about the pacing, most of my issues with the episode are just tiny insignificant nitpicks (e.g. the Doctor using the Force to retrieve her Sonic Screwdriver). I generally really enjoy what "Can You Hear Me?" did, for the most part. Its attempts to focus on mental health struggles were admirable and compelling, the villains were very creepy and worked themselves into the central theme perfectly, the direction was fantastic, the production design was really strong, and the companions felt relatively more fleshed out by the end of the episode than they were at the beginning. If I had my way though, I'd give this episode an extra part (and in the process probably cut "Orphan 55"), which would hopefully allow the finished product to feel less cluttered and rushed, and turn what is a pretty damn good story into a truly phenomenal one
@C1oudC1ty
2 жыл бұрын
I really like this episode too, in fact I remember it being one of those episodes that I still enjoyed even when I was incredibly cynical about Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker. The mental health part of it was something I forget what a big part of this episode was. For a long time when I was really struggling before I was anywhere near being put on sertraline or having therapy sessions, I was venting all of my problems to my best friend and he was constantly telling me to seek help because there was only so much he could say to me. It took so long because I was afraid of being misunderstood, not being taken seriously, being branded an attention seeker and being told I was fishing for sympathy, but at the same time I knew it was something I had to do. I just thought I'd try dealing with it myself first, but there's no way I could. I kept putting it off and putting it off. The whole idea of ending it all actually became an attractive thing for me because it was the only way I felt like I would be understood but also to make what I was going through be taken seriously as well as a way of escaping that deep sinking stinging pain in my chest and all over me. It's like I was angry that the world was still going round with everyone just getting on with everything while I was hurting, but at the same time I just wanted to be happy and at peace. It's like seeing everything in greyscale, while everyone won't stop telling you about all of the colours and not understanding how you see it. But since then it's definitely gotten better, with the therapy sessions I've had for a separate issue and the anti-depressants have helped somewhat, but with other situations coming up, I still find myself in a lot of pain at least one point of each day. But yeah, I really appreciate you bringing attention to this guys. :)
@adamturnsheel
2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see you both at Gallifrey 2023! Hope you can see our sketch comedy show, The idiots Lantern !
@staratlas7778
2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to share a piece of music that has literally saved my life, as I deal with mental health issues as well. The band is Beach House and the Album Is Depression Cherry❤. Something about the melodies and atmosphere of this record is just soul and mind cleansing! With love and Light ❤️✌️
@Legendary3Dgamer
2 жыл бұрын
0:08 when Katrina says yes that’s right and does the intro it sounds like she has 0% Energy 😂😂😂😂
@nodroGnotlrahC
2 жыл бұрын
Another great episode and reaction.
@paulbrecken2136
2 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite episodes. Thank you both for your reaction and review.
@stevehawkins1744
2 жыл бұрын
When this episode was broadcast in the UK they had a helpline at the end for people suffering with their mental health.
@DavidSmith-cx8dg
2 жыл бұрын
A pretty good examination of the consequences of disappearing with the Doc . As usual some of it was a bit rushed but all in all I liked this one . It's always interesting to see Paula and Katrina give their views , I must admit a second viewing helps put things in perspective sometimes .
@adamturnsheel
2 жыл бұрын
Holy cow now I remember! This episode came out JUST before GallifreyOne 2020. Episodes like this i think are Chibnall's Bread and Butter
@GHar94
2 жыл бұрын
I have a theory that this episode with the eternals plays heavily into what’s to come this year, and it’s not that wild with references lining up. I won’t spoil but i wonder if others feel the same with who and what has been mentioned/shown. Also cool retro look Paula!
@Skeezer66
2 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I thought the villains in this were from the previous season, but all the mental health issues I clearly remember as being from this one. There are Always people complaining about Something, and I'm sure there were angry comments about too much about these serious issues, more just fun SF stuff ("It's getting too preachy, woke," etc.), but minorities not going to get mental health help, is a huge problem, and I'm glad they dealt with it. Hot Take - - I felt like the woman Yaz handed the coin to at the end could be her future, post-Doctor, partner!
@adammarshall9077
2 жыл бұрын
Good 👍 one
@dominiccarr4062
2 жыл бұрын
Place your bets folks - which of the Gals will manage to collect the most ribbons at Gally 2023? 😃
@ABrecher
2 жыл бұрын
Like a lot of Chibnall era episodes there was just way too much crammed into the one hour. It didn't a bit more space to breathe, dig into the motivations of all the characters, and resolve issues in a bit more depth than we got here.
@Sagitarria
2 жыл бұрын
It’s so annoying they are not having another woman for the doctor.
@Sagitarria
2 жыл бұрын
Needs to be like 13 women in a row. Then 13 NBs. Then in the mid 2100s it could start over.
@geoffmason7215
2 жыл бұрын
important preachiness but kept as background....classic callbacks almost unnoticeable....FORESHADOWING...wild ride ahead great reaction thankyou...more please
@WhitewingQueenston
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy the new Doctor Who era. Btw I don't want Jodie to go.😭 If she has to, I want Peter Capaldi to be the next Doctor.
@allenrhys844
Жыл бұрын
I like you ladies a lot. Can't relive a moment of this era though. It was badly written and acted, drove viewers away in droves, destroyed the history of the program, and nearly caused its cancellation. Be well tho..
@philipmcfarlane
2 жыл бұрын
This was almost a great episode until they rushed the ending of the main story to get back to the mental health thread.
@mjm3091
Жыл бұрын
13:10 That Doctor helping Graham with cancer still hits hard. And I mean it in all totally different way. What they have been thinking when they wrote this bs. The most unsympathetic and horrifyingly cold reaction from Doctor and NO actual comforting for the Graham. Like excuse you Chibnail. If I had to pick the worst moment in any Doctor Who - this would be this. Doctor could have done so much more here, she did in the past for much less. She did more for the villains. This is the peak hypocritical monster psychopath Doctor Jodie's incarnation has been showing through both seasons. And this could have been so much better in gener, because we have not touched a lot of such serious topics as cancer and fear of it coming back. And when this got mixed with all the other much better emotional scenes? This is only bringing more attention to how bad this is. Like I made genuine oof sound when I watched this for the first time... Other than that - kinda would like for Immortals to have better characterisations and costumes... But oh well. Mid/good episode of this era tbh.
@darynvoss7883
2 жыл бұрын
I think they needed to do more with the villains. They spend too much time chatting. Is this a new look for Paula?
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