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@DeclanHayesnavystpooting55544
2 жыл бұрын
Shut up
@mattwright6084
2 жыл бұрын
They shot it in israel because why would they go back to somalia
@rojayreid908
2 жыл бұрын
You should talk to some Black hawk down veterans.
@Somali.Pirate1
Жыл бұрын
Biggest inaccuracy about this video is that the Somalis had zero fear, as confirmed by the people who actually fought in that battle. In fact the Somalis used to provoke the Americans all the time before the clash for fun shooting mortar shells at them and popping shots lol. Get your facts straight.
@huntclanhunt9697
2 жыл бұрын
Mogadishu was actually in chaos at the time. There were massive gang wars throughout the city. Remember, we didn't only go in because of the famine. They were in a civil war. The US forces were attacked by multiple factions who united against them.
@thetaggman5311
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the events of Bloody Monday (12 July 1993) had anything to do with that
@kaisercollins3097
2 жыл бұрын
How dare you! American was evil giving out free food probably trying to fatten them up!
@hakeemulajuwan
2 жыл бұрын
U didn't go in to help anyone. None of the Somalis wanted u there so stay away. American doesn't go no where to help anyone but to help themselves.
@jessicasobian5579
2 жыл бұрын
At least america make all of them united.
@HATCH5T
2 жыл бұрын
@@jessicasobian5579 lol
@JonNo86
2 жыл бұрын
The actual aerial footage of both Blackhawks going down is absolutely terrifying and made my stomach churn. You can probably find it on KZitem or elsewhere on the internet. The movie totally stretched it out for dramatic purposes of course, but both helicopters fell out of the sky and hit the ground in less than 5 seconds.
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
you'd think this peisode would tell americans why they should never act like putin. but hey, american exceptionalism
@Christopher-rw2bp
2 жыл бұрын
@@jakepistolero Classic tankie who listens to every anti american propaganda post.
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
@@Christopher-rw2bp typical.american supremacist snowflake, offended by truth. You realize.you just defended putinesque invasions, juat because america is the invader?? I'll.give you a chance: explain to me how the iraq invasion was good, and not a precedent to.be used by putin. No american has been able or willing to explain it to me. I am justt supposed to know america cannot commit war crimes, and when it does, it is good
@jakepistolero
Жыл бұрын
i do hope those on board died as painfiul a deaath as the ppl they were sent to kill
@david-468
Жыл бұрын
@@Christopher-rw2bpyou still think Russia=tankie? They are more capitalist then America, and we’ve done worse more recently
@TheStapleGunKid
2 жыл бұрын
One thing to consider is that it was pretty impressive that the Somalis figured out how to use RPGs to shoot down helicopters, even though that weapon was never designed for such use. Because of this movie, people now associate RPGs for anti-helicopter roles, but that was never what it was made for. An RPG isn't an anti-aircraft weapon, it's an anti-armor weapon. When pointed upward, it only has a range of a few hundred meters, and the rocket leaves a tell-tale smoke trail behind it, which helicopter gunners can easily use to track back to the person to fired it. The fact that the Somalis were able to get multiple helicopter kills with it really is impressive.
@toxicmafia6192
2 жыл бұрын
I watched in another KZitem video that one of the two Somali leaders were thought by the Soviets to use RPGs on helicopters
@dennisyoung4631
2 жыл бұрын
Firing the things as air burst weapons by calculating the distance the rocket flies before it self-destructs. That way it does not actually have to hit the target. These supposedly have a 4.5 second fuse on the warhead. The rocket flies roughly five to eight hundred yards before it goes off.
@TheStapleGunKid
2 жыл бұрын
@@dennisyoung4631 But it only has a range of a few hundred meters if you point it up to the sky. That's why using it as an anti-air weapon takes a lot of skill.
@dennisyoung4631
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheStapleGunKid true, it does. You need to accurately estimate the distance, be familiar with how such things behave - winds, etc. - and then accurately *lead* your target - which either takes unusual talent or skill, as you said - or a huge amount of practice. It commonly takes both talent/skill *and* a fair bit of experience. It’s more complicated than, say, trying to bring down a game-bird for the pot with a shotgun.
@iMost067
2 жыл бұрын
RPG is actually a multi-pourpose launcher, its not strictly anti-armor one. Have plenty of different rockets that made to use against infantry.
@yakivpopavich
3 жыл бұрын
Although the setting could have been done better, this movie went through hundreds of thousands of rounds of blank ammunition. No CGI or fake muzzle blast and shell ejection. All real, you will see some extras actually having to clear jams and resolve other malfunctions with their rifles on the fly during a scene. You will NEVER see that anymore in movies due to all gunplay being CGI.
@historylegends
3 жыл бұрын
Very good point! Do you allow me to use your comment on my next video about Black Hawk Down?
@AADP
2 жыл бұрын
they just need the new package "Jammity jam gun", it make a gun jam every 4 minutes, as long as you don´t mind sincronized jamming it should be realistic
@tylergarrett4498
2 жыл бұрын
Really liked Heat due to the unfiltered sound of blank fire
@cnino1971
2 жыл бұрын
But is this a movie or a documentary? Have you seen any of the Russian war movies, were the Germans just march like idiots and the Russians kill them all!
@hungidesu
2 жыл бұрын
You support Russia, you don't get to have an opinion
@ricardoaguirre6126
3 жыл бұрын
The movie shows the militiamen firing regular RPGs but the book says that they were actually modified rockets set to burst in the air and the launchers were also modified to angle the backblast away from the ground when aiming at the sky.
@historylegends
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting fact!
@ghostinthesystem3872
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that backblast would have cooked his lower body
@dennisyoung4631
2 жыл бұрын
The end-of-flight fuse? They shortened it?
@cherminatorDR
2 жыл бұрын
I also like how they conveniently left out the Cobra attack on a civilian gathering weeks before, which they thought was a warlord gathering. This turned the city's entire population against them. I think it's important to remember things like that, because they keep making the same mistakes that end up costing them wars, despite their doctrine's focus on hearts and minds. One mistake like that can erase all the good intentions that came before. This is why Taliban is running Afghanistan once again.
@peloentupantalla7768
2 жыл бұрын
And these warlords were actually the elders from each side negotiating peace, if the Americans didn't shoot at them the entire battle coulve been avoided
@cherminatorDR
2 жыл бұрын
@@peloentupantalla7768 Exactly
@misterpinkandyellow74
2 жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert, they never had good intentions in the first place.
@minhtran7431
2 жыл бұрын
@@misterpinkandyellow74 what was their intention again? I watched this movie years ago so I forgot
@Christopher-rw2bp
2 жыл бұрын
@Roble KANDU So what was their intention? So called free thinking anti American propaganda listener
@AquaMidget
2 жыл бұрын
I mean yeah, the americans were definitely horrifying to the locals, but the americans were also pretty damn scared too. Pretty foreign place mixed with total chaos throughout the command structure meant a lot of confusion, which can easily lead to a complete breakdown
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
just like the russians dont get to complain about ukraine's defense, americans dont get to bitch about somali defeense
@zhufortheimpaler4041
2 жыл бұрын
the arial surveilance was provided by C2 (Kiowa Recce Helicopter and forward command plattform) and two P3 Orion Sea Recon Planes circling the area. It is assumed that Wolcott and his Copilot Lee-Briley put the Blackhawk down in a way to ensure survival of the crew in the back while sacrificing their own lifes.
@TheTryingDutchman
2 жыл бұрын
5:23 that's a misconception. People really underestimate the accuracy of a modern rpg. (Mainly due to movies and games who automatically make everything Russian perform like crap) There is plenty of 1990's footage of Chechens shooting an rpg through 1x1 meter windows at over 200 meters, during actual combat missions. Now ofcourse a helicopter is a moving object but they usually fly low, slow and in a relatively straight line during these landing operations. Taking one down with a rpg would not be as hard as people seem to imagine. Hence the Somalis shooting down 2 modern Black hawk Helicopters within weeks, using ancient rpg's.
@startingtech3900
Жыл бұрын
You prob couldn’t even hold one armchair expert lol
@TheTryingDutchman
Жыл бұрын
@@startingtech3900 i joined my countries Marine Corps at 18. What did you do for your country? Post ignorant comments on youtube and finger your buthole on a daily basis?
@Isbatooraha
2 жыл бұрын
It was a dark time for Somalia alhamdulliah we're doing better now 🇸🇴
@TheStapleGunKid
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the militia guys not being skinny is a major error. It's pretty safe to assume the average militiaman was more well-fed then the general population (one of the perks of joining such groups in the first place). At the very least, some of the higher ranking militia commanders probably got better access to food than the grunts.
@AB-jo1wy
2 жыл бұрын
Not really you know nothing about Somalia or it’s people but ok. The video even shows you the armed militia men in the end. There’s is a reason why they played west Africans as Somalis 🤷♂️
@basedblackbeard4456
2 жыл бұрын
@@AB-jo1wy The militia the Americans were fighting were actually hording food for themselves so they were fed while the general population that was not part of their clan suffered.
@BOX3DOUT
2 жыл бұрын
nope. if you followed the conflict you would see not even the leaders looked well feed.
@BOX3DOUT
2 жыл бұрын
@@basedblackbeard4456 American propaganda.
@basedblackbeard4456
2 жыл бұрын
@@BOX3DOUT What's American propaganda? I'm Somali, I was there. The militia that fought Americans were literally just one sub clan, that's it. After the Americans left, that sub clan fought my sub clan for control over Mogadishu.
@iMost067
2 жыл бұрын
RPG-7 apparently shot down much more hellicopters than any designed for it system. So its was not something no one heard about. US army lost 128 hellicopters in Vietnam exclusevily to RPG-7 and RPG-2 projectiles. Unlike with heat lock rockets - those cant be countered with heat traps.
@BOX3DOUT
2 жыл бұрын
in 91 yes it was new to have this happened.
@iMost067
2 жыл бұрын
@@BOX3DOUT but in 60`s its was somehow common
@TorricRoma
2 жыл бұрын
When you ask "what these guys doing just chilling there, makes no sense" No it makes perfect sense. The unemployment rate and homeless rate in Mogadishu is like 95% or something close. You really think that unemployed people just stay home all day every day till someone calls and offers a job? You think they don't just want to go somewhere? You think just maybe those people lived there?
@bountybwoy5943
2 жыл бұрын
Stop spreading false claims man you is hater 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@AB-jo1wy
2 жыл бұрын
The only honest video I’ve seen about black hawk down on KZitem great effort mate 👍🏾
@maximilianodelrio
3 жыл бұрын
Good video! How about a reaction to HBO’s The Pacific?
@historylegends
3 жыл бұрын
What battle scene?
@maximilianodelrio
3 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends the peleliu landing or the okinawa chapter are the two best imo. Maybe okinawa is the best choice if you want to see how it affected civilians and its a really powerful episode
@TorricRoma
2 жыл бұрын
Okay, it was a 101st Blackhawk and not a 160th Blackhawk. I know to the layman that means nothing but in reality it means everything. Training, flight time, doctrine, procedures all are different between units. And yes the 160th were 100% aware of the shoot down and they were on alert for this possibility but the logical thought at the time was it was a 1 in a million hit.
@marjannovoselc7311
2 жыл бұрын
"This citty doesn't even look like Mogadishu" - what do you expect them to do, build an entire citty for one movie, or perhalps filming in actual Mogadishu where there is stil fighting going on till today?! You can't always shoot in the exact location - especially if it is still a warzone.
@RoyalDog214
2 жыл бұрын
Every time someone complains about the tanks being inaccurate in WW2 movies in a nutshell.
@WalterSobchak91
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think its a complaint it's just an honest assessment
@jessicasobian5579
2 жыл бұрын
They can shoot it at a more similar place.
@jaerys8823
2 жыл бұрын
@@RoyalDog214 i dont get you and OP, this channel is pointing out historical inaccuracies, thats his entire content and yall complaining that hes pointing it out? lol
@iMost067
2 жыл бұрын
Built decorations? its literally sheet metal huts. Meanwhile there whole cities built for some movies. Its easy and cheap to recreate those buildings, so that why we can say that was not a budget problem but intentional making, US army sponsored this movie havily so propably they just forced it in.
@meikasroom851
2 жыл бұрын
Just gonna say, when your being overwhelmed by thousands of people. The fact they are 90 pounds means jack shit to a 7.63x39 comin to vibe check your plate carrier homeboy 😂
@Typexviiib
2 жыл бұрын
Ya, I think this guy missed the plot, and I mean that litterally. Any way you look at it, the us soldiers were in a bad way. The look of the buildings and the build of the combatants had absolutely nothing to do with the fight. I think the movie does a pretty decent job acknowledging the "in the moment" mistakes made by us command that exacerbated the situation. At the end of the day it's a 2 hr movie about the horrors of fighting a war where you're not exactly welcome by the local population, not a historical documentary. I'm a pretty big medieval history fan, and ironclad is one of my favorite movies of the period. The movie has thousands of major historical inaccuracies, but the feel and flow of the movie more than make up for it. I feel like bhd is much more historically accurate, but still manages to tell a good story.
@mikeserot1410
Жыл бұрын
When Super 6-1 crashed, the pilots, Cliff Wolcott and Donovan Briley, pitched the nose down so they could try and save the four guys in the back. They took the brunt of the crash before the chopper rolled on its side, which is crazy considering how little room there was in that alleyway. The one thing that the CSAR team was able to do was use the aircraft for protection for the wounded. They set up a casualty collection point near the tail section and set up Kevlar plates from inside the cargo hold for protection.
@weatherloops
2 жыл бұрын
They filmed the movie in Morocco they made streets dirty and added sand to th roads and also had to cut down trees but it still doesn't look like somaloa
@timesthree5757
Жыл бұрын
The junk portrayed in the movie was representing the fact that junk was placed in roads to funnel enemy traffic. The also burned tires to signal allies and obscure vision.
@daniels0376
2 жыл бұрын
From 1:50 onwards. You used the one buff somali in the movie as an example, but that guy was a high ranking officer in the militia. Of course he wouldn't be starving. A lot of your assumptions are wrong. The movie used actual somali militiamen as extras. The rest of them as you can see are skinny with a number of exceptions. So this whole point of yours holds very little water. Your whole rant of the point is confidently wrong.
@Praktical_
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely 100% what I was thinking.
@robto
2 жыл бұрын
The most prominent Somali characters in the movie were not Somali, or East African themselves. At least they should try to hire Somali or East African looking actors to do the part. Besides, if you look at pictures of real high ranking militiamen from the Somali Civil Wars, they are either all very skinny (specially if they're young), or old guys with a beer belly, not buffed dudes that go to the gym everyday.
@OnpointSoccerhighlights
2 жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake they done is the actors. No one of them looks Somalis specifically the militia men, they should have more look like the one in captain Phillips
@regularhoodshow8146
2 жыл бұрын
My Somali friend even said “none of them look if even Somalis we straight up pointed it out when we first watched the movie
@ciilqabeduubi3953
2 жыл бұрын
Well they could’ve at least hired Ethiopians or Eritreans if they couldn’t find a somali i guess
@milehigh96
2 жыл бұрын
I saw that recent documentary with Struecker (lead humvee) when he went to the Bakara Market and it really looks almost the same
@Ghoulza
2 жыл бұрын
i went on my own during the day when the theatre was pretty empty to see this film, I didn't want anyone around especially people who would be joking or asking stupid questions. when this battle took place I was in standard nine, second last year of school, the next year my year of school I saw an article about it and I'm fascinated with war so this really stayed with me, when I heard about the film I made sure I got to see it in the theater as tv wasn't going to be good enough. I stayed in the theatre until all the credits were run, I was the last one out of the theatre, mainly to give myself time to compose myself had tears during the role call. by that time I had research the events quite a bit so noticed a few details they did get wrong,but overall was really impressed
@johoreanperson8396
2 жыл бұрын
They dont even show the other Foreign UN soldiers hauling their ass out of there.
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
that's because americans dont think of anyone else
@sonofkabisch
Жыл бұрын
You can see where Resident Evil 5 got a lot of its influence.
@munaaweys6892
Жыл бұрын
I am from Somalia my mom told me after that crush people start to chant "suqaar mareekan sidnaa" in the streats it is somali language , suqaar means a food which is made of meat, onion, potatoes etc The chant means " we are serving American suqaar". people totaly didn't afraid of that so-called special forces , rip to my people 🇸🇴
@jerbs5346
Ай бұрын
Bad grammar.
@munaaweys6892
Ай бұрын
@@jerbs5346 I don't care
@jerbs5346
Ай бұрын
@@munaaweys6892About you.
@mortem-tyrannis
2 жыл бұрын
The buff dude is a representation of the threat (a big one) it's subliminal, it doesn't matter irl if your 90lbs 0r a solid 390lbs a gun is called the great equalizer for a reason a mass volumes of fire against the very best is still going to get results.
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
the threat of a local population attacking foreign soldiers?? do you work for the kremilin or the white house??
@mortem-tyrannis
2 жыл бұрын
@@jakepistolero neither I'm referring to the threat being in relation to just a few guys on the ground the the imposing Nation as a whole. As far as the population attacking government that's the side I land on with the tyranny going on here, so no I'm not against the people pushing out invaders like at our southern border.
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
For.being the most bellicose nation on earth, having executed more invasions than anyone else on the planet during the last 100 years, and you still dont know what invasion is. Typical of your countrymen and women
@haraldisdead
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your comment about how the Somalis viewed the Americans. Too many Americans still expect the whole world to view us through the eyes of a 1940's Dutch woman.
@Makh927
2 жыл бұрын
I lived there and no one saw them as gods. They where seen as untrustworthy and strange. But no one seen them as anything spectacular. That’s why they lost in the street.
@IMP-vi6je
Жыл бұрын
There is a reason why iraqis have strong pride in fighting the americans even if it was 27000vs+5000kia (not including other militaries) Because it's like standing up to space marines
@defaint7023
2 жыл бұрын
Most of the People that played somalis weren’t somali plus no somali would ever play that role it’s a disgrace to the community
@TorricRoma
2 жыл бұрын
So he gets mad that the movie omits one Somali but over all shows how the shoot down worked. You going to get mad they didn't show them Digging a hole in the ground to stop the back blast from burning them cause they are shooting an RPG upwards which it isn't Designed or ment to?
@coreymoore1186
2 жыл бұрын
What's funnier is that some of these guys probably zerod their aks in for 1km because they thought it gave the gun more power
@ChiotaichMacDhomhnaill
2 жыл бұрын
This dude makes a living off of feeding into people's criticalness. It's a fuckin Hollywood movie so of course it's not gonna be totally accurate, but they did a pretty damn good job. Call of Duty on the other hand...
@MadMamluk88
9 ай бұрын
Fun fact: I worked at a Country Club where on Veterans Day they had invited Colonel McKnight (Tom Sizemore’s character) to speak. Sadly, the event was in the evening and I worked the day shift
@patriotenfield3276
2 жыл бұрын
The Rebs in this movie reminded me much of Liberian and Sierra Leone RUF rebels.
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
they remind me of ukrainian defense
@Filiplego1
2 жыл бұрын
Can you react to "We Were Soldiers" If you didn't already? That movie is my top favorite war movie, I got the copy of it as a kid and I re-watched it over 30 times, every year at least 2 times because I enjoyed it so much.
@Ayeen1986
2 жыл бұрын
It got critics from Pakistan/Malaysia because UN Malaysia/Pak that help them out, and it the movie none mentioned
@ey7290
2 жыл бұрын
The whole ending of the film is based around the Malaysians and Pakistanis. You see them on screen. The critics are ultra nationalists who believe the whole operation was conducted by the Malaysians, when it was 114 Malaysians and a few dozen Pakistanis attached to the US 10th Armoured Division
@SirAbdullahi
2 жыл бұрын
As a somali, this movie did not present the facts even the name of the somali malitia leader General Aidid was not mention and being replaced with some west African blacks and not filmed in muqdisho the real footage of the war are in the end of the video
@MatthewC176
2 жыл бұрын
“They just came out of a famine they should be malnourished and skinny” “This place shouldn’t look so torn up, they had normal happy lives there, they had food markets” -Bruh
@Austin.Kilgore
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was confused at how contradictory those statements where too… also whole reason the U.N. Was there was because because when trying to distribute food to the starving people, Somalian warlords where stealing in for themselves. So U.N. Was there to try and properly distribute the food
@JohnDoe-wt9ek
2 жыл бұрын
1) Recreating any kind of massive, sprawling city, detail for minute detail, is a herculean task that would cost an incredibly wasteful amount of money to be accurate (in which it never will, no matter how hard one can try). Focusing on the important aspects and ignoring the more sprawling elements, to ensure that the important elements are held closely to the realities of what occurred? Far more important than rebuilding Mogadishu, Somalia from the ground up for a 2 hr, 30 min film. Ex: Its more important to get the roads they operated on, and the hotel they raided, correct, than to ensure that Skinny Bob's Tea Shop two blocks down and right is also in the picture... Nobody cares about Skinny Bob's Tea Shop because it had no effect or prevalence on the events of that day... 2) The militia officers (including the one with the sunglasses and black head covering) were typically well fed. Reminder the whole reason the UN asked for US involvement is because these Somali Warlords and their militias were stealing Humanitarian supplies from drop off points, even slaughtering innocent people, causing the starvation of hundreds of thousands of innocents to fuel their wars against each other. That's a typically average build individual. But if you ever see photos or docufilms of Muhammad Farah Aidid, dude was fat in comparison to his countrymen peasants. Even his political officer (who they capture earlier in the film) is a fat ass. Because they eat and live well compared to the other 95% of the Somali population... It would be reasonable that a Militia officer would be relatively well built, as their system of promotion was, ironically, a form of meritocracy. He didn't get there for being on the inside of the party he fought for. He was an officer because he was effective as a combat leader... 3) Helicopters are most vulnerable when they are flying low, slow, and in an AO with too many nooks and crannies to constantly observe. Pilots can only see from the 12 o'clock to just about the 3 and 9 o'clock respectively, but only at the front. Crew Chiefs are the enlisted personnel who take on the responsibility of being the eyes and ears of the pilots from that respective 3 and 9 o'clock position all the way to the 6 o'clock position of the aircraft, up to and including clearing the blade span, the stabilator, the tail rotor, and the entirety of the belly and landing gears from foreign object and obstacle damage. In such an environ as a sprawling city, not only are the crew chiefs watching for "widow makers" (objects that can deceive the eyes and strike the aircraft, killing the crew), but now also have to observe for combatants armed with weaponry capable of downing their helo... Black Hawks were never meant to be "CAS" assets. They're troop carriers and supply runners. Its a Utility aircraft. And the variant design and exception of extra guns/munitions (as there are a pair of "wings" you can install on the Black Hawk that's capable of carrying two External Fueling Systems (which look like missiles) as well as rocket pods and even extra forward facing guns) reinforces the fact that these Black Hawks were never meant to BE Close Air Support. 160th SOAR (which is the Aviation element of this military detachment) (Special Operations Aviation Regiment), would have that kind of support equipment and weapons platforming... The fact that their decision on using Black Hawks rather than Little Birds as CAS proves that they got damned arrogant and believed the Militias didn't have the means, or more importantly, were too incompetent in taking them down. Or more so that they had overconfidence in these air craft as some sort of "super helicopter". MH-6 Little Birds were well designed, hell, perfectly designed, for just such environs of conflict.
@ripley4601
2 жыл бұрын
Great comment. Just wanted to add that Farid, and some of his lt's had military educations in other countries. They were not regular soms. They were the 1%.
@mulapare2593
Жыл бұрын
General Garrison complained at the briefing of the operation that the higher ups in Washington denied him the use of Little Birds, though he specifically asked for them, therefore he had only to rely on Black Hawks and another lighter helo type. So it wasn't out of arrogance.
@official._panda282
2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t realize that the 160th Rangers was a thing last I checked it was 160th SOAR and 75th Ranger Regiment but ok let’s let the British guy tell us how accurate and American battle is to an American film because my dad was there and trust me the film is very accurate
@69-Bot
Жыл бұрын
It’s like casting a European American to play an indigenous Mexican in a movie
@bulldrumm
Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this movie while in the army, in theater. . Slept through all of it, non stop shooting and explosions bothering me not a bit. Nostalgia.
@stevenschwartzhoff1703
2 жыл бұрын
At the beginning, this does a good job considering the Somali side, but completely forgets it in the second half. I would love to see a victorious flm called "Black Hawk Down!" from the Somali perspective. Not to insult the sacrifice of the international troops who mitigated the famine (let's not forget Pakistanis, Italians...). On the point about overfed actors playing the militia fighters, we should take into account that militia members would likely be better fed than the general population. (The ethnic appearance of the fighters is a good point, but at least it gave African actors jobs.) Good video, but jumps over some stuff.
@rollinsomethingbutiforgot
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine being an African actor and some random white youtuber says you don't look African enough to be Somali
@nebeskisrb7765
2 жыл бұрын
This has to be the most ignorant statement I ever heard.
@QualityPen
2 жыл бұрын
@@rollinsomethingbutiforgot HL didn’t say they don’t look “African” enough. You are putting words in his mouth. He said they don’t look Somalian, because they don’t, and they aren’t. Ethnicities can look different even within the same racial group. For example, it would be weird for Italians or Spaniards to play Russians and vice versa, despite both being white Europeans. Ethnic Russians tend to be blonder, lighter skinned, more likely to have blue eyes, and Russian men have slightly wider heads. Ethnic Italians and other south Europeans tend to have darker hair, tanner skin, and are more likely to have brown eyes. Likewise it’s weird when some British dudes are portraying Romans. Etc. It’s not a secret that ethnic groups can have different overall appearances and it’s not racist to a point that out, not matter what the race od the person pointing it out is… I think you’re just looking to get offended.
@rollinsomethingbutiforgot
2 жыл бұрын
@@QualityPen you sound a bit racist with your Gestapo-like profiling of ethnicity There's nothing wrong with Spanish or Italian people playing a Russian character in a movie if they can do the accent or play the role It's acting, not representing. It's a movie, not a documentary.
@buurmedia
2 жыл бұрын
@@rollinsomethingbutiforgot I’m Somali and not one of those actors in this film look Somali so “some white KZitem”is smart.
@poloshirtsamurai
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you make a historically accurate movie. You can't? Guess, that's why you're just bellyaching on YT instead.
@RoyalDog214
2 жыл бұрын
Quick fact that the real life RPG in Black Hawk Down were actually modified version: "This view of an RPG-7, which can cause a great deal of damage, displays the type of weapon which was used to take-down two Black Hawks during the 1993 battle of Mogadishu. Photo of RPG-7, captured by U.S. Army personnel, online courtesy Nellis Air Force Base. Later, it was determined that an "RPG 7," with a fuse modified so the shell would explode in flight, had struck the Black Hawks. That form of rocket-propelled grenade had been developed in Afghanistan by the Mujahideen ("holy warriors") during their war with the Soviet Union. In his speech condemning what had happened to the American soldiers on 3-4 October 1993, British Prime Minister Tony Blair connected the ambush and downed Black Hawks to Osama bin Laden. Mohammed Odeh (an Osama bin Laden lieutenant), had been sent to Somalia to train and fight alongside the warlords. America-although the country didn't know it-was already at war with bin Laden in the fall of 1993."
@comradefrom896
2 жыл бұрын
The real story of this movie is a Malaysian army save the Rangers
@wordherb1128
2 жыл бұрын
Yikes bro I think you mean the 10th mountain with their Malaysian APC drivers and Pakistani tank support
@comradefrom896
2 жыл бұрын
@@wordherb1128 yea
@eastafrika728
2 ай бұрын
American black hawks and special forces were taken down by fishermen, not militias.
@haraldisdead
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly can't watch this film because of the actors playing the Somalis. It'd be like depicting the Chinese Civil War with all Arab actors and being like "ehh.. asian. Good enough." Takes me out.
@AlexsinaYT78
2 жыл бұрын
my dad war in there at the base and herd it on the radio
@hodan8905
2 жыл бұрын
7:57. No. We did not see them as gods. This is offensive and is a 180 on how Somalis actually saw Americans. Any elder you speak to about this event talk about how much they hated Americans and how they had no business being in our country. There’s a reason why they dragged that pilot’s naked body and celebrated the mile American soldiers had to walk to leave the country.
@hodan8905
2 жыл бұрын
Somalis saw this as an invasion and acted the way they acted
I think they did an outstanding job go check the documentary going back to Mogadishu. I had a relative there and they say the movie was prettt accurate soo
@historylegends
3 жыл бұрын
They covered the timeline of events and the feeling of the overall battle really well
@TheValdemaaar
2 жыл бұрын
Good video and reaction, but most I loved was the thought you brought 7:44 - the Somali perspective, just brilliant! It also kind of clears ideological mist. I also really liked the final thought :) Would love to see movie from militia point of view, but sadly they do not have an Empire ;) Cheers. btw: Found your channel via Ukraine commentary, good commentary :)
@Rexus_34_SF
Жыл бұрын
1:55 to be fair, the only reason that guy looked well fed was because he was probably something of a war lord, or a high ranking officer to one. We see him being in a position of authority throughout the film, and it was him and his guys who were stealing aid supplies
@crusher8017
Жыл бұрын
Nope. Look at Aideed, he was of small build as well. I never saw a fat Somali in my 9 months in the Mog in 1993.
@theusername000000000
2 жыл бұрын
May I ask which book you read? I have also read books on this engagement, but never heard the story of the militiaman who fired the rocket.
@Air143.
2 жыл бұрын
I think it was Mh-60l black hawk
@jamoecw
Жыл бұрын
the Horn of Africa is very hot. this means that the people there are very skinny, as that helps with dealing with body heat. the famine didn't help, but them being skinny is a regional thing.
@gamingyoutubernoonan0108
2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't they have made a set in America. To make a accurate Mogadishu. They made a accurate set for Long Road Home. Sadr City.
@Nuh-zd5py
2 жыл бұрын
2:14 Skinnies with the strong heat 🇸🇴
@SalX22
2 жыл бұрын
7:50 Is this a joke? I don’t think you drag the dead bodies of your “gods” on the streets
@TorricRoma
2 жыл бұрын
And by what it seems like he is more going after the fact that an actor isn't from a certain location rather than If the events taking place are accurate. Also the captain Philip Somalis had muscles if you didn't notice. Muscle is the last thing the body uses when it's in starvation mode.
@syawalhamidan6539
3 жыл бұрын
in the actual incident, the American army was rescued by a military force from Malaysia (19 RAMD Mekanis). One of the soldiers from the Malaysian army has been killed as a result of RPG fire from Somali fighters
@ScreechingPossum
3 жыл бұрын
In the actual rescue, it was a mixed force of Pakistanis (who you conveniently didn't mention 👀) and Malaysians that aided the 10th Mountain and the remnants of Task Force Ranger. Your comment is definitely one of more tame glory hounds, getting the death of one of the Malaysians to an RPG right, but I do like that you couldn't resist making it out like the Malaysians did it on their own when they actually played taxi service, providing one driver and one gunner, for their 28 Condor APCs...
@ciilqabeduubi3953
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScreechingPossum pakistani troops refused to enter the zone
@rileyvonfullerchaff7379
2 жыл бұрын
Not to disrespect or something, but are you expecting them to take the movie to REAL mogadishu?
@haraldisdead
2 жыл бұрын
There are only four main ethnic groups in all of Africa, and two of them, (the khoisan and the nilo-saharans) and miniscule. It's like having a pashtun guy playing a Chinese person
@EmilReiko
2 жыл бұрын
They can be subdivided into about 2000 different ethnic groups
@haraldisdead
2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilReiko sure, I'm not saying they're all the same. My point is that the casting of the "Somalis" is pretty egregious. The afro-asiatic Somalis are as different from the niger-congo people portrayed in this movie as the Chinese are from the French.
@beadsman13
2 жыл бұрын
Jocko have a podcast with one of the pilots of that second choper.
@samirsalkunic5321
2 жыл бұрын
You can be 'elite' all you want, urban combat against locals is a bitch. Serb JNA forces kept Sarajevo under siege for 4 years, against poorly equipped locals and every time they tried to take it they were repelled. And we are talking yugoslav army, not the usa army that whines about every life lost
@FDNY101202
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget tears of the sun.
@TorricRoma
2 жыл бұрын
The IRL and movie were different on the crash. Very few troops saw the crash.
@amramcooper1380
2 жыл бұрын
About 20 rangers and a couple deltas vs over 1000 Militia , ye the us were the vulnerable onse
@sherlyfrfrfrfr1
2 жыл бұрын
Well, actually isnt mogadishu, the place where they filmed was Morocco
@IsaiahRichards692
2 жыл бұрын
How come every RPG operator in film history is always able to nail the helicopter’s rear rotor blades?! I get that it’s a weak spot, but how come no movie character in history is ever shown missing them?! Also, you’d think helicopter manufacturers would take note of this design flaw in military helicopters and replace it with a rotor blade that’s less exposed?!
@UnseenAtom99
2 жыл бұрын
The entire purpose of the rotors is to be in the air. Covering the tail rotor to be less exposed means less airflow and the helicopter wouldn't work
@TheLakabanzaichrg
2 жыл бұрын
You can cover the fin rotor but it's purpose is to counter the rotation of the main rotor and you'll waste more fuel just to keep the helicopter steady given the reduced air flow
@ddoumeche
2 жыл бұрын
Fenestron partially solve that issue and might be armored but it's only popular in europe. And the russians decided to get rid of rotor blade totally
@theblackswordsman3612
2 жыл бұрын
I just watched black Hawk down before watching this video
@conangaming2156
2 жыл бұрын
The pirates in captain Phillips still had reasonable physiques, good muscle definition, that’s for sure.
@matho_461
2 жыл бұрын
Watched the movie again after seeing this video, still hits the emotions at different times throughout the movie. One part in particular is when Smith can’t be saved is talking to Eversman about telling his parents that he was brave and fought hard. One of my all time favourite movies
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
he was just another american supremacist who wanted fortune and glory. i havce no sympathy for his kind of ppl. or his apologists, like you
@LlamaLlamaMamaJamaac
2 жыл бұрын
Re: the look of the militiamen… I swear these casting people just randomly picked the blackest people they could find - which isn’t accurate either; Somali people have a pretty wide range of pigment. I think Abdi’s character (AHB-di not ABB-di) was Somali.. don’t quote me on that. But for the most part it was the wrong look, wrong accent, wrong look…. It’s not even just about physical fitness - It’s about facial features. It’s like choosing a Hispanic or any other tan skinned/dark haired actor to play a Pakistani role. They COULD have cast Somali people… “Captain Phillips” figured it out, and those guys were great! Thanks for coming to my TED talk.., I follow several movie reaction channels and get irritated whenever someone says “the casting was sooooo good”….. It really wasn’t, it was lazy. 😕
@jarosawknas8947
2 жыл бұрын
Ewan McGregor...lost in Mogadishu but won on Mustafar.
@sherlyfrfrfrfr1
2 жыл бұрын
Well actually Super 6-1 felt in a place like where Super 6-4 crashed in the movie
@saqartvelosamudamod
2 жыл бұрын
Command and conquer generals zero hour custom blackhawk down mission is more accurate then movie 😅🤣
@santiagorojaspiaggio
Жыл бұрын
This film is amazing. Even if it isn't all historically accurate and has a lot of nationalist propaganda, it should get a lot of merit for not only having tons of action; tons of beautiful shots; lovable characters and relationships between them; very underestimated music; and also, and complicated but effective storytelling. I will always love how it manages to build the whole situation and its development from multiple and different points of view. You have the perspectives of the different Rangers infantry groups; the path of the humvees; the different Delta characters; the different helicopters and also the crash sites; and the command as well (not always seen). You see each of these going in their own paths, with their own challenges; sometimes changing their course of action; sometimes being further divided; sometimes reuniting. A whole narrative mess, but very well executed. It builds something big and solid. ('That's what she said'?)
@Danzo6333
2 жыл бұрын
Those americans ass save by Malaysian forces
@emiliothefrank1312
2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts is why haven't you told about the French special forces who rescued the American pilot left behind after the battle
@brycewalker3726
2 жыл бұрын
Because that didn’t happen, the Militia released Durant…..
@sniekr
3 жыл бұрын
Well the famine point is just stupid, this was a leader of the militia and you really think that he starve ?Civilians or low-ranking military men but not the leader. Also, in the beginning there is a scene where they steal food ...
@historylegends
3 жыл бұрын
It’s just facts. Did you read the book? Americans called them skinnies for a reason
@henryvandeventer2457
3 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends They referred to Somalis as "skinnies, it was interchangeably used for civilians and militia combatants. As with the vast majority of conflicts in that region warlords and militia forcefully conscripted men and boys to fight for them. The majority of these militia combatants were malnourished, the warlords and their commander's were not.
@27852
2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends wasn't the term "skinnies" from a tv show and was used to describe how the Somalis acted? I'm, pretty sure the term skinnies was from some sci fi tv show.
@lt.pineapples8772
2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends bruh, it's a generalized term for the enemy Same as calling german troops "krauts" even though there were other countries fighting alongside the real "krauts"... However in the movie it is heavily implied that the militia especially the warlords are stealing food, and so far i only saw a few buff "somalis" in the film even the dude playing Aidid was a bit skinny... However you need to come into terms that it's hard to look for actors who are good enough to act and also look the part in a role that is not heavily focused on Not to mention location, you choose two ways CGI the fck out of the location Or find a relatively close looking one to the real one that's also safe to film in, can use the whole location without restrictions etc... The shit i would go nitpicking is, the fact Malaysian forces were cut out, or the sequence of events Props, location, and actors goes last in nitpicking because of the availability of resources
@lt.pineapples8772
2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends i like breakdowns like these and stating what really happened but bro, chill
@commgod
2 жыл бұрын
I will say the warlord bosses being bigger than other skinnies makes sense. They likely had way better access to food than the other rank and file. To further add if you go watch the doc where like 5 people from task force ranger go back to the mog it still looks pretty shitty of not shittier than in the movie. All that being said, its still a hollywood movie and is gonna have plenty of wrong info in it.
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
imagine not understanding that these ppl saw foreign soldiers as an invading force that needed to be fought
@johnwilliamsscuba6487
2 жыл бұрын
React to Lone Survivor I have a whole theory about that home debacle and I would like to share it at some point
@abbesson15
Жыл бұрын
I have a family members and friends who where there that day. Their story is diferent.
@justinholtman
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man loved ur coverage about vanguard and that pile of trash. Just curious where are u from?? And also how do u know so much about history I took a lot in hs and so history loved it but ur on another level man love ur channel
@huebuckle8198
2 жыл бұрын
I think he's canadian. Dont know his background
@dudelebowski8629
2 жыл бұрын
Mogadishu was not a slum with only metal huts lol. Go back and look at actual insertion footage, the battle was taking place in the city center with buildings and long wide streets, not like the movie with high buildings but it was similar. The black hawks that crash landed in the slums is because it was a better option than to crashing near the battlesite and on buildings come on guy! here's ome actual footage!! kzitem.info/news/bejne/yY6V3aZnbn-jrKw The last clip looks CHAOTIC ASF worse than the movie tbh. From the american point of view, how do you distinguish enemy vs foe from that crowd especialy looking at the small buildings at the end of the vid, elite American army becoming underdogs in a foreign battleground is very plausible for any elite army, those ''skinies know that place like the back of their hand. 1. Example: Elite Russian soldiers are getting annihilated as we speak by Ukraine's western funded army not even a real ARMY! why because they are defending their territory they know it all to well, ATTACKING in the modern battlefield is more difficult than defending! Guerrilla tactics are its best rn!
@abdifitah778
2 жыл бұрын
Somaalia 🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴 liones africa
@izzy3617
2 жыл бұрын
I think the film makers just didn’t want to show how gritty the environment was but in my opinion got the chaos of war really good remember those mg infantry that were lost and one was basically deaf
@jakepistolero
2 жыл бұрын
that is what happens when you volunteer for the biggest mercenary company in the world: the american armed forces
@williammiller7799
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Mohamed Farrah Aidid controlled the food for a while. So, you can make the argument that maybe him and his top tier staff were well fed, while everyone else starved. And filming couldn't be done in Somalia because it was too dangerous. So I believe they went to Morocco instead.
@robto
2 жыл бұрын
Mohamed Farrah Aidid himself was a skinny guy, and he was at the top of the food chain, loool
@fritzgerardfjambalos9596
2 жыл бұрын
bro you gotta react to MIDWAY
@julians7268
Жыл бұрын
Sucks that it took a war for me to find the channel, but i guess we gotta look for the silver linings in things.
@AnujKumar-ks2fc
3 жыл бұрын
Love From India
@Kaiserbrian0
2 ай бұрын
Did u just say Somalis we’re afraid 😂 literally Jeff sturecker one of the survivors said that it was most fiercely gunfight he’s in been to and that in Panama they locked themself and in Iraq they surrendered in thousands but in Somalia they started shooting the minute they came
@the_boredcat7419
2 жыл бұрын
Although the locals where shit scared the Americans was initially fighting 25 against 1 don’t you understand that they felt vulnerable?
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