OMG, i just had this happen. Not from Jake, but from Ardiola. Same freaking track. So glad you made this video.
@dimi409
4 ай бұрын
+1 here today 👋🏻 I had seen your video before and went back to it. Literally the same kind of profile and msg…
@TheFeelButton
Жыл бұрын
I scored a double album working for a Nigerian prince so I'm not looking for $300 gigs anymore! Cheers Justin!!
@RobTackettCovers
Жыл бұрын
Hey Justin, I've been scammed as well, but I won't go into it much, but will give a generic take on it: I wrote this song what my wife called an angry rant after my ipod got stolen out of my car after doing a cover tune gig at a bar in the town I grew up in...I'll try to keep this as concise as possible...I submitted it to this rather popular songwriter's contest, not thinking that it would ever win, but thought the judges would get a rise out of it, because of the topic, because it had some repetitive swearing in it, calling the person an Ipod stealing something or other, but before I sent it, I submitted it as an SR at the copyright office...a few years later, I was driving with my daughters (toddlers at the time) and this song on the radio got to a certain part where the singer was singing "higher than a ..." something or other...repetitively" and after the lady sing it a couple of times, I was like "I'm changing it...I wouldn't play Ipod Stealing in earshot of my daughters..." then it hit me...later, I found out that someone else sued that person for the first section of that song that was nothing like the second section using profanity...that song is NOT by any stretch my proudest moment...my point is, what it appears to me, that these listened to different songs, and pieced together main concepts of two different songs, then turned it into what it is...because of that experience, I will never submit any of my original work to a song steali...uh, I mean, a songwriting contest ever again. These have deep pockets as well, so there was no use of me contesting it. Really though, I still feel like I should be included in the writer's credits of that song.
@OliverAmberg
Жыл бұрын
Justin, how can your refuse to play on such an epic song? 😁
@thebaldshredder
Жыл бұрын
Same thing just happened to me this week. Almost exactly the same details. One of my viewers alerted me to your video. And it's the EXACT same instrumental track! LOL But mine was from a different IG profile, but same thing as you said. Also offered $300. Mine went a little further where she said it's a check for $3000, and I should send them back $2700. Like you, I'm hoping to save people out there from falling for this. Trust your intuition guys!
@chucklee347
Жыл бұрын
My neice owns a cleaning business. Every week she gets a message a foreigner wants to send her a check for hundreds more than her quote then they ask her to take x amount of cash to a third party. Always before they have a chance to deposit said check. This happens once or twice a week.😮
@bobstaurovsky3506
Жыл бұрын
Justin, tell him need to go through my manager, they will drop out of sight !
@BV_Beve
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you avoided this ! & took the time to put out this video Justin buddy ! hope all is good with you !
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, you too, Beve!
@aft41
Жыл бұрын
I faced a similar scam for a freelance journalistic project. The "client" sent me a large check in advance, then said he had overpaid me "by mistake" and asked for a refund of the excess amount, several thousand dollars. Ofc, the check was bad. Fortunately, I investigated and turned back at the last minute. A waste of time and energy though!
@michaeleaster1815
Жыл бұрын
I think it is important here to note Justin's intuition raising red-flags and then him following up on them. A useful PSA: thanks! p.s. LOL on deriding the track... "it's just three chords... stoner jazz"
@roberts6053
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like On-Hold-Muzak
@mikeferrellmusic
Жыл бұрын
Your biggest mistake: you just outed your wife’s age 😅
@robertmellang6998
Жыл бұрын
The music biz. What an animal. I never envied anyone in music. I love playing. Technology kinda turned it into a wild deal. It’s always something with technology.
@DaniMustangMeazzi
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video! I started to record guitar on Fiverr few years a go and going well, actually it's paying for my postgraduate, but would love to hear from you about tips on fees / prices and other tips if you are happy to share, I think that channels like yours are very good for the industry because they educated clients on one hand and on the other us too, recording musicians! I think knowing how to price our services and how to act in specific occasions (for example about 'sending drafts') will make this a safer job for all of us! Thanks!
@Wishmasternet
Жыл бұрын
The scam is he gets you to play 90 seconds of his Stoner Jazz track on your youtube channel. Then he files a copyright strike against you and takes all of your ad revenue for this video. ;-)
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
Haha whoops 🤷♂
@pitchisperfect
Жыл бұрын
I’ve had something similar happen to me twice. They wanted a birthday song for their son. Fortunately for me, what they were willing to pay wasn’t close to my rate. Social media needs to do something about these bots.
@cajuncrackerranch7990
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this information Justin. Snakes and Skanks everywhere. Stay alert! Stay alive!
@salahbaker4089
Жыл бұрын
Funny the youtube algo put a SCAM (free tv) ad into the middle of this warning!
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
Ha!
@salahbaker4089
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinOstrander It's all about "make a buck"
@salahbaker4089
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinOstrander It's also interesting you don't go out of your wheelhouse.
@joem8457
Жыл бұрын
Definitely dont open those emails if you're not sure who its coming from. I suck as a musician, but am good at tech and email opening attachments are a very easy way to get compromised. Keep it up with the excellent content and stay vigilant to the scam!
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
It was just an mp3 attachment that cleared Gmail's antivirus software.
@kennethdarlington
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinOstranderplease don't overrelay on "antivirus software". It's better to have different PC or at least virtual machine with e-mail address that is not used for any of your actual accounts (bank, plugins, messengers etc.) to do back and forth conversations or receiving files.
@BillyBlaze7
Жыл бұрын
Man honestly I wouldnt have even downloaded that music file lol Its a crazy world we live in and if you go clickin links and downloading files its like playing russian roulette
@piktormusic2538
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make this PSA Justin.
@stevebadachmusic
Жыл бұрын
I would not have downloaded any files from a scammer. Doesn't matter if gmail said it was fine or not.
@AMPR45
Жыл бұрын
Damn looks like you were *this close* to being the lead guitarist in one of those “music to do homework to” backing tracks that try to mine views and listens on Spotify or KZitem
@floydburney6060
Жыл бұрын
..... Should've sent back a Lil' Wayne guitar solo that's been looped....That's what I would've done.
@chasearrington346
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. BTW, do you have a video discussing how you got started when you moved to Nashville? I’d love to hear more about your experience. Cheers, -Chase A
@BartDietvorst
3 ай бұрын
He just found me too. I was thinking this is off and then I remembered you doing this video and sure enough it's the same 'guy'. Thanks for this video, I'm glad I remembered it!
@dougjones4538
Жыл бұрын
I couldn't see how this could harm someone until near the end where you explained how the money exchange finalizes the "take." Now I can see now how people get roped in on these scams. Thanks, and good on you, Justin!
@HuffwareStudio
Жыл бұрын
This happened to me a few years back. Like you, I felt something was off with the story they had and so I asked them a rediculous question:::> "will your vocalist be bringing their own mics🎙🎤 to the studio or would they need to use ours...😂... They replied "whatever I thought was best"... 😂 btw I bout spit my wendy's frosty out when you played that track they sent you to work with..😂🤣😂
@keithboddy
Ай бұрын
A shit! I got this a couple of weeks ago. I was sort of excited as it's up my ally (jazz / fusion). I was going to get a deposit, but haven't bothered. Just got an email today - guess I'll block n burn. :(
@MOAB-UT
Жыл бұрын
No-tell him YES- but pay me first. Once it clears 100% I will send you the deliverable saying "I am a professional and that is the only way I work. Period and it is 100% non-negotiable." Also, tell him your fee is 20% higher than he quoted you so say $500. Make him tell you NO.
@SeanKerns
Жыл бұрын
I have had a couple of attempts at a similar scam, except they want to pay me a bunch of money to record vocalists that they're sending to me, over a track they'll send. Just like your scam, the vibe is off, the wording is wrong, and I'm sure it would be a version of the overpayment scam.
@MichaelGrecoGuitar
Жыл бұрын
Wow i was sent the same track! lol When it was time for payment he said he didn't use paypal/venmo because he was going to send me a digital check through a business account. That was it for me. I blocked him and didn't give any information
@JimmyKSimmonsOfficial
Жыл бұрын
Ol' Jake paid me $600.00 to lay some flute on the same track!
@AspiringSpaceWizard
Жыл бұрын
“Lay some flute” sounds hilarious 😂
@Denver_Risley
Жыл бұрын
The trend I'm seeing, probably quite a few rungs down the ladder from where you are, is the Learn-how-to-produce-for-sync-licensing courses. It seems like a lot of people aren't selling as well as they used to so they're going to teach us how to do what they do...Maybe not malicious but still misleading. Reminds me of the get-rich-with-worm-farms offer in the back of comic books.
@damienharrison1
Жыл бұрын
That track he sent you is AI generated, I have been playing around with AI generated music for a while now and recognized that 'sound' right away.
@stevenstabile4379
Жыл бұрын
I would have had trouble staying awake playing on that track!! I have had people try and scam me but usually if I'm selling something like an old snare or pedal I'm not using and say for the snare I'm asking $300 and all of the sudden they send a check for $1500 and tell me it's a mistake their assistant make so "Please send the snare after you deposit the check into your bank account and send me the $1200 change!! Knowing it's a scam and I will not be depositing the check into my account ( I always call their bank and find out they don't have an account and the check is phony) I tell them "I've decided to keep the snare and I cashed the check at your bank and am keeping all the money!! They freak out saying they are calling the police which I tell them go ahead my father is the county sheriff, they scream and shout and finally hang up and I take the check and put it on the wall with the warning sign "Scammer #5 and the date!!! So neither of us get the money but it's fun to hear them scream!!!!
@matheuscanteri
Жыл бұрын
Yep! They reached out to me with the same story and same song lol hahaha.
@JohnDoe-xr5is
Жыл бұрын
Dear Mr. Justin, I am grateful for you play my composition. I have plenty to authorize payment for service. Joyful friendship will be from your guitar.
@richardgoguen775
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to give a solid heads up. Be well.
@jgmopar
Жыл бұрын
Lucky for my i am not a good enough musician to have this happen. But scary for the musicians that are. I work with my friends or people in our circle. Never anyone from outside our circle
@RobertFairweatherMusic
Жыл бұрын
9:00 Please post an improv over this track for free....I will not overpay you and ask for the difference back in cash....I promise.😉
@timtaylorguitarnut
Жыл бұрын
That idiot from State Farm😮😂😂
@JohnOShaughnessy
Жыл бұрын
True Justin. This sort of thing happens a lot these days, the worst is if you give your bank details and any other personal data to "receive" a payment. And I'm in Europe. There were lots of red flags there, particularly the lack of mutual connections.... thanks for sharing.
@cockysonuvaB
11 ай бұрын
Hello, I am very interested in your guitar on a song I'm producing. I am a Nigerian prince And I'm also Jake from State-Farm
@wewilliewilson1974
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been approached by several to write songs for people for sons bday party. All scams. They send you an invoice thru cash App and the link is actually you pay them the same amount they agree to pay you. If it’s linked to your bank account you send them 300
@nylonsteel
4 ай бұрын
Sounds like a huge hit.... jk .Scams everywhere :(
@BlairSangeetC
Жыл бұрын
Hi from India 😊 These type of things are happening a lot on instagram. Never happened with me but fake accounts reaching out for tarot card readings, etc . This is a nightmare. Kind regards
@personalfreedom2700
Жыл бұрын
The only way to never get scammed is to take upfront payment. Artists need to understand this…. Pay later is unacceptable.
@tribalflute3895
Жыл бұрын
I just wrote a killer jazz flute bit for that hypnotic groove. JAKE! Are you out there? Thx 4 the post!
@mortonwilson795
11 ай бұрын
The whole 'scam' thing seems to be endemic these days - I live in HK and it's amazing what's going on here in Asia and beyond. Just gotta stay awake and check the profile etc. etc. I tend to work with people I know or others who they know . . .
@terrytimberlake8926
Жыл бұрын
Hold up.. this s nothing new. Thanks for telling your experience.
@TonyThomas10000
Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of scammers out there. The worst one I heard of is someone pretending to be a company offering a brand sponsorship and sending the agreement in a file that was actually a virus that allowed the person to take over the victim's KZitem account and lock the victim out their Google account. Needless to say, you have to be careful and make sure you know who you are dealing with.
@CrushingAxes
Жыл бұрын
I got almost the same message, it was something: Do you want to play over a soundtrack. Something like that.
@MrPhins
Жыл бұрын
This was a big scam in the photography industry as well and you're right. They offer to pay you thousands for a shoot. When you get a message as a new photographer it's easy to get blinded. I'm sure it's everywhere.
@tylerpartain2782
Жыл бұрын
This exact thing happened to me and my buddy litterly like a month ago same track same amount of money everything…wow!
@dbspecials1200
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a guy and on his channel "Kitboga" he scams these scammers back, it's hilarious what he does to them just over the phone. it's brutal torment. but it's the same idea, they want you to refund a "mistake" they made. this guy has even wiped some of their files. you have to see some of it.
@martinmillsmusic
Жыл бұрын
I received this exact message on Instagram and the very same chord progression on August 21st 😮 I've blocked the instagram sender and reported the gmail email address. Thank you for this video.
@WilliamAshleyOnline
Жыл бұрын
its not bad easy listener but needs a vocal. R&B urban feel to it though. I can sense some higher vocal melodies to it.
@robert_starling
11 ай бұрын
We get the same type of scams running through the film and television production business preying on the newbies, wannabes and even those of us who have been around awhile. We all want to work, but with age comes experience to sniff out the red flags and trust our gut.
@davenovak6310
Жыл бұрын
Hey Justin, First off I’ve been a subscriber to your channel for quite a while now and like what you are doing. Thank you. I’ve been reluctant to reach out to you for the exact reason that you describe in this video.I was afraid that you’d think I’m some sort of huckster that wants something from you, believe me I’m not and I don’t. I have very little online footprint, because I don’t need it, and you are going to wonder who the hell is this dude & what does he want from me. I don’t want anything but to help your videos look better. No compensation, I just want to help. I think that you could use a little help with your newest lighting scheme for your videos. I like where you are going with the orange back lighting, but you are missing some stuff. Just like you teaching us guitar, you could use a little help in the film making department. I’d be happy to help you get this sorted out. I’ve been teaching lighting at a college level for decades and did it for a living before that, so I’m not some angry dude throwing shade on you, but would like to help your channel look professional. Don’t worry, I won’t charge you anything and it won’t cost much, I might send you on a trip to Home Depot for some cheep lights. If you want to figure it out on your own I applaud you, but if you want a little help, reach out. Dave Novak
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
Would love some pointers. Email me. Address is on my channel
@JohnJarvis-d8n
Ай бұрын
I always say non returnable cash transfer and nothing done until monies cleared and transferred to my second secured account. Certainly separates the men from the boys 😂
@tommykennedy7827
Жыл бұрын
subscribed at your open, as you described Evans playing approach. :-)
@edwardgordon4309
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your recent payment. Any overages will be considered a gratuity and not be refunded at any time under any circumstances 🤣
@rogeralleyne9257
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up!!! It's easy to get caught up in these things!!!🙏🙏🙏
@j.r.g3548
Жыл бұрын
I've seen this all to often in Nashville recently. Happens in all of the Nashville musician FB groups. I had a friend that was contacted on fb, and was convinced to send a back catalog of STEMS to a friggin gmail address from someone claiming to be affiliated with BMG...first red flag, but he was blinded by "exposure". It's an unfortunate reality of the digital age, and as creatives we are prone to see the best in people. I make PSA posts about this allllll the time now. Thank you for using your platform to shine light on this dark issue Justin.
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
Yikes!
@karlkeller4523
Жыл бұрын
You may have downloaded a virus which was embedded within the file. I would have your computer checked.
@karlkeller4523
Жыл бұрын
Generally, you should never download or open a file from someone you don’t know. And even if you do know the individual, and a random email comes from them with attachments or links, you should confirm with them through some other means that they sent it. Bye the way, I love your channel and playing. Thanks for sharing!
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
It's an mp3 file scanned by gmail's antivirus software. I wasn't worried about that.
@BillyBlaze7
Жыл бұрын
I have at least 40 songs I need to record, I wish I was better at recording the music I write
@JNiel
Жыл бұрын
Heck, I haven’t been paid for anything music related since the ‘90s and we have two mutual friends. Glad you figured it out in time.
@DarrickStrauss
6 ай бұрын
Fake Jake just tried to get me too. Same song, $300, same everything lol
@Paul-D
Жыл бұрын
You know you're in a heatwave here in the UK when the first thing I noticed in this video was the AC unit and being highly envious of it hahaha.
@peterkelly8357
Жыл бұрын
I noticed that too, watching from Manchester UK
@partriotsfight5039
Жыл бұрын
I saw it here in Iowa USA too
@olivergiles6731
Жыл бұрын
30 ° Celsius is a normal summer temperature. ...
@peterkelly8357
Жыл бұрын
@@olivergiles6731 not in the UK. That's a heatwave and the country would come to a stop after two days
@olivergiles6731
Жыл бұрын
@@peterkelly8357 I LIVE in the bloody Uk. Where people like to go for a walk in a rainstorm because they find it so exciting to "expose themselves to the elements " ..... Well...? Expose yourself to some SUN for a change. .....
@thebrokenorder
Жыл бұрын
This just happened to me a few days ago. Almost exactly as you describe: $300 for guitar over a "soundtrack"
@chunkmonk
Жыл бұрын
the music sounds like a standard youtube jam track. definitely a scam
@philf4086
Жыл бұрын
Glad you caught it before any commitment, great lesson for everyone! The track sounds like it was generated from loops which are commercially available also.
@DieselWeazel
Жыл бұрын
A scammer can ruin your day.
@duncanmcneill7088
Жыл бұрын
Personally, I would have sent back the most atonal experimental Fripp-esque solo that I could do in one take just for a laugh. “Well, you said to play what I wanted...”
@MeTuLHeD
Жыл бұрын
LOL! Now THAT would have been funny!
@kitgroovemachine
4 ай бұрын
thanks for the heads up, good detective work !
@AdamLevyGuitarTips
Жыл бұрын
Dang. I'm glad it was *almost*. Thanks for sharing this. Take good care, Justin.
@zazoomatt
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for This >.
@patrickbailey9000
11 ай бұрын
This happened to me a few weeks back. Exact same name, comments.
@Robowx
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's definitely a part of a free backing track he got off youtube
@bicyclerider3978
Жыл бұрын
Find a 3 year old with a Barbie guitar to play over it and send it back 😂😂
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
Love it
@SteveSterlacci
Жыл бұрын
Dude! I got the same dm and sent the same track. The guy was trying to convince me to take payment via an emailed photo of a check. I stopped there, but that seems to be how they're attempting. So unfortunate that this stuff is out there...
@AngusClarkGTR
8 ай бұрын
Dude I received that same loop.
@glennschamber
Жыл бұрын
Can’t we accept the pay and then refuse the refund? Especially while using an alternative bank account. Would be so funny to actually get money from them.
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
The check they send is bunk. The idea is that you refund the difference before finding out their payment bounced anyway
@KennethMoyer-t3y
8 ай бұрын
A good deed you did. Awkward language intentional.
@bradconklin2878
9 ай бұрын
I don't know ... kinda want to hear your solo:)
@garyandpattyworley6832
Жыл бұрын
Be careful they can hack you by you opening their email.
@thebrokenorder
Жыл бұрын
Their IG message or the email they send to you with the track?
@gtr0271
11 ай бұрын
Stupid question, but what are they intending to do with your track? Are they trying to sell the finished product with your free track over it, or are they farming tracks just to keep a reservoir that they can chop up and serve where needed?
@JustinOstrander
11 ай бұрын
They won’t use it. The scam is that they “accidentally” overpay you with a check (3000 instead of 300) and ask you to refund the difference. It isn’t until later that you find out their check bounced.
@gonootropics2.065
Жыл бұрын
Thought this was Tom Delonge
@randyzeitman1354
Жыл бұрын
Three minutes in and you don’t say what the scam was. It’s exactly exactly exactly like a scammer.
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t, but then you used that 3rd “exactly”. Dang it, I got busted. 🤷🏻♂️😂
@americanpancakelive
Жыл бұрын
I get weird messages all the time via Facebook Dm and Instagram and I can just sense when it is super sketchy. As a music writer and part time musician the cajole is usually about how great my music is- IT IS NOT- ha and that is the first tell, when people blow smoke up your butt. So glad that you didn't get swindled, it is not only the money thing but the waste of time that just makes you feel so disgusted. You really are doing a great service sharing your story.
@UnitedEffect
Жыл бұрын
Hey Justin, it's sad that people try to scam others. Besides music I do a lot of visual artwork... and recently there has been a surge of very questionable offers to "purchase" my art. A few weeks ago I was getting anywhere from 2 to 5 offers a day or more. Most were offering to pay me in NFT's. I've sold enough work to know when an offer is genuine. The last artwork I did for an album cover was for Michael Gregory Jackson's "Frequency Equilibrium Koan" with Michael Gregory Jackson - Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Julius Hemphill - Alto Saxophone, Abdul Wadud - Cello, and Pheeroan aKLaff - Drums. It was all honest, detailed and obviously "above board". I've always done okay by following my gut instincts. What a world we live in having to keep our guard up when accepting work! You've done a great service by sharing this experience you had. Keep on straight ahead! Best regards. ~Glenn ,
@johnnywalkerguitar
Жыл бұрын
I’ve had the “ do you write songs?” Which turns into them asking to write a song for their kid’s 5th birthday…. They need to change their script, sniffed it out every time so far! Appreciate this video, and take care! -Johnny
@bluematrix5001
Жыл бұрын
300 bucks is way, way more than solid for that 1.40 secs
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
@DavidFeilyMusic
Жыл бұрын
I’ve gotten a bunch of these on instagram as well. Sometimes it’s “will you write a birthday song for my (wife/kid)” or “need some guitar for an instrumental” or need some guitar for a “documentary”. Broken English in DMs, commenting about message requests, multiple accounts asking the same thing. All the same.
@riffism
Жыл бұрын
Here’s the scam: They over pay you with a pirated credit card then ask for a partial refund and tell you to keep half of the extra…but the refund is a gift card or other weird payment type. Then the charge gets challenged by the actual card holder and you’re left holding the bag.
@daliusBSP3
Жыл бұрын
I get "fake" messages every day Justin. I'm only in it for the fun tbh, as a songwriter with my buddies. The big ones are "Hey, I'll promote your track fam" from someone with far less followers on IG than myself. Great video Justin. Love your content man. Regards. D
@TeleCustom72
Жыл бұрын
Great story, but bummed out you didn't play some awful faux jazz over that progression 😆
@matthijshebly
Жыл бұрын
That "song" is literally A.I. generated, I'm fairly sure of that. Takes 3 minutes to generate a piece of non-music like that. It's noise.
@SK__Guitar777
Жыл бұрын
What they do is accept your your mix and offer $300 then send you an eCHeck for $3000 and ask you to return then $2700.
@quiksilver78
Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that loop on people’s video intros to some demo (of any product) or podcast
@JustinOstrander
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s some free backing track off the internet somewhere
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