I had a good laugh over that. Yup, you have some cross-over viewers here. I had to look back at the title and see why the funny talking guy was hosting :-)
@ronjaime3493
4 жыл бұрын
Oh damn I am on the wrong channel no wonder there werent any recovery lmao
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
LOL You guys!!!
@joshua_J
4 жыл бұрын
I thought the exact same thing when I clicked on this video.
@davidnalls8628
4 жыл бұрын
I’m a simple man. I see the Yellow Banana, I click.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@ian_jones
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. That’s how it’s done
@jackfourbee3609
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing worse than road rash on your snatch. Keep up the good Matt. love it.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
LOL I've never thought of it like that. HA HA HA
@julesbabauta
4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@willwalt6374
4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@GregariousAntithesis
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD probably don't call it a snatch down under, probably something like a cloaca :)
@chrisgibson2779
3 жыл бұрын
That is the funniest thing I've read in quite a while lol!
@TurboManiacal
4 жыл бұрын
How do you know when a Matt from Winder Towing is in trouble? When you hear “Call Casey”
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
HA HA HA
@57thorns
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD kzitem.info/news/bejne/u6Kix415cWV6iHY&ab_channel=Matt%27sOffRoadRecovery about 6:20 in for the face of shame and the phone call.
@maxjacobd2264
3 жыл бұрын
He'll holler when he needs ya
@russellraspier4859
4 жыл бұрын
Old fire hose makes a great protective sleeve to protect straps/ropes against abrasion.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting idea
@BikingVikingHH
4 жыл бұрын
Where the hell am I going to get an old fire hose?!
@Cosper79
4 жыл бұрын
Fire house adds significant weight to your rig.
@pilotdog68
4 жыл бұрын
@@Cosper79 don't need to carry a big section... Just 5ft or so
@SurferJoe46
4 жыл бұрын
The US Navy used a braided/woven line called SAMPSON ... which was used to minimize shock loads on both the towing and the towed loads. Tugboats used it almost exclusively, but if it parted, it came back at you like a giant whip and would cut you in half. Not just a few boatswains mates died that way ... or lost an arm or leg ... or both. They were no good for mooring as they would allow a wind to push a ship too far from a pier or buoy. Sampson had a use-by date in that sunshine killed the fibers with UV rays, as well as oil would destroy it too. Abrasion was another Sampson-killer. I'm impressed by your tow lines (I cannot call them "rope" since that's not nautically correct) and I can see they don't live long enough to suffer from UV degradation ... oil, maybe moreso.
@nickjennings3500
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, “The Two Matt’s” what a combo, you guys certainly seemed to get on well. Really interesting , can’ t wait for the next video. Take care, be safe & well. Nick
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate
@stsears11
4 жыл бұрын
Hard to argue with Matt's results, I go with the Ropes.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
true
@Hyperion5182
4 жыл бұрын
@Brian Landers if they're in trouble one or two times a year maybe. As a resident who has to deal in snow? I'd want those Yankums.
@BikingVikingHH
4 жыл бұрын
A snatch strap should be in every car that goes off routing, a kinetic rope should be in anyone’s car that goes off Roading all the time.
@760rudogg
4 жыл бұрын
Love the yellow xj and Matt is such a great human being
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
yeah he's a good guy
@KevinBenecke
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone refers to Matt's yellow Jeep as the "Yellow Banana".
@Idahoprepper71
Жыл бұрын
Back in the 80s I was in the coast guard. We replaced the tow ropes ever year on the small boats. I used to keep the ropes and make my own kinetic tow rope for people stuck on the beach where I was stationed. I was the guy everyone called when someone was stuck on the beach when nobody could get them out.
@chrisbynum4940
10 ай бұрын
I was at CG Station Freeport TX and did the same thing. The Chief of the station said we could take anything out of the dumpster we wanted. Because the tow rope on the 41 UTB was a couple of hundred feet, we would cut it up into 50-60’ sections and resplice eyes in it or just be lazy and tie a bowline. I had a 4x4 truck and would cruise Surfside beach and pull people out of the sand.
@danmekeel7758
4 жыл бұрын
You guys both play off each other very well on subject matter, no side lines.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan.
@12gauge1oz
4 жыл бұрын
Go Winder Towing! Always learn something from you. Thanks.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
:)
@tompaulson6978
4 жыл бұрын
I've been using a snatch rope for over 40 years. I don't leave home with out it. Made my own from a discarded 1" nylon line from a US Navy cruiser and back woven 12" on each end forming a loop. Total length is just under 20 ft. It has never failed to get out anything I wanted to extract.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
nice
@strietermarinesurvey1415
4 жыл бұрын
Farmers towing tractor trailers 60 - 80 thousand pounds through the mud full of sugar beets here in Michigan use big rope not straps!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds fair
@nocoolname32
4 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, a heavy slow 4 wheel drive tractor with 6 or 8 tires for traction towing. The kinetic ropes shine where a smaller vehicle with limited traction is the recovery vehicle so inertia is needed to perform the recovery.
@DriveCarToBar
4 жыл бұрын
My grandfather told me that farmers in California where he grew up, used to buy old mooring ropes from ships for that exact thing.
@johnhalter7287
3 жыл бұрын
Have used straps with tractors a lot, no problems. I think a rope is easier to wrap up when done and would be my only plus for one over the other. Pulling over 80, 000 with a rated strap is no problem with a tractor. To be honest they both work great and use what you got, the cost would keep me from the rope mostly
@thedocisin3204
4 жыл бұрын
While my wife is at work I throw my Super Yanker and recovery straps in the washing machine (no detergent) , sun dry and they look good.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
LOL and then her white work shirt becomes grey. And that's how the argument started. LOL
@JamesJohnson-pb6mr
4 жыл бұрын
In the late 70's I drove a Honda Civic with a really good trailer hitch installed. I also carried a 90 foot 1" diameter nylon rope. One day I came upon a Ford 4-wheel drive pickup which was stuck down at the bottom of a filled in area which crossed a creek. I finally convinced the driver to let me try to rescue him. I did so, and he thanked me profusely, but at the last he said "But please don't tell any of my buddies that you rescued me!!! He was acutely embarassed that I got him out! Good show. JRJ
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
gold
@Ron-j3t
10 күн бұрын
Same I got stuck with a gravel truck had gotten the hoist up and taken some off it but it was still heavy. Guy In ford half ton came by and offered to help. I politely said we'll we can try, figuring no way, it walked it out first try.
@americancoalminer6828
4 жыл бұрын
Very good video! 👍🏻 I personally switched from Recovery Straps to Recovery Ropes myself in the last year, I really do like the ropes. I live in Wyoming, about 6 hours away from Winder Towing, (I went and visited Matt and Ed in January 2020, very awesome guy Matt is! The entire crew is awesome at Winder!) But as I was saying, we have some pretty intense off-roading areas in Wyoming, and the kinetic ropes make quick work of most of the recoveries I've went out on. Great video again, I've watched yours and Matt's Off Road Recovery side of it, love them both! Much love and stay strong 💪🏻 From Wyoming! 🇺🇸
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks heaps
@stevewilson9792
3 жыл бұрын
American coal miner, If you live in the Great State of Wyoming, how dang fast are you driving to get to Hurricane, Ut in just 6 hours?
@americancoalminer6828
3 жыл бұрын
@@stevewilson9792 Haha I'm right next to Evanston Wyoming, the bottom South/West corner of the state.
@BG-vq9fd
4 жыл бұрын
I started using Snatch-"UM" straps in the late 70's. I had 2" and 4". What an improvement over to the chains we had been using. If we still played I would probably have a Yankum rope and shackle.
@melswolf805
4 жыл бұрын
For sure a recovery rope, here in the UAE desert the kinetic energy helps massively when also the towing vehicle is in soft sand.... Most ropes here are made out of marine Nylon that has the kinetic abilities connected with soft shackles its the safest way to recover a vehicle stuck in the deep soft sand...
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@gregparrott
4 жыл бұрын
I heard a story (fable?): A tank got bogged during training. The army's extraction team struggled. A farmer stated HE could extract the tank and was allowed to prove it. His secret? 'Patience'. He allowed the force to be applied over a longer period of time so that the vehicle could 'ooze' instead of tear its way out. This analogy applies to recovery ropes versus the less elastic snatch straps.The kinetic energy from a moving vehicle can be applied either as a violent jolt or a more graduated surge. To tear a vehicle free from a viscous material like mud in less than 1 second requires far more force than allowing it to work itself free over 2 to 3 seconds.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Great point. I actually want to do this as a video one day. I guy i know had a 4wd stuck in quick sand and he applied winch power to the vehicle and waited. It took a number of hours but the vehicle came out because of the constant slow force.
@tylerdooley4783
4 жыл бұрын
Great Fable! True also, minus the tank. As a farmer, we use these types of ropes for tractor and truck recovery. We actually use sailing ropes we that are rated but we have to splice them ourselves. Same principle though!
@larry41
4 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not I actually saw an M60A1 in mud up to the bottom of the turret. Stuck big time. It was outside Aschaffenburg Germany at our local training area I believe in 1978 or maybe 1977. I was a medic and swapped out with my relief before they got it out.
@gregparrott
4 жыл бұрын
@@larry41 Yikes! Now THAT would be a recovery worth watching. The rope would have to be about as thick as the mooring lines for ocean liners.
@larry41
4 жыл бұрын
@@gregparrott Yeah, I wish I had the presence of mind at 22 years old to realize that's a story I should have found out the ending to!
@billstoermer8668
4 жыл бұрын
Started vertical wall climbing in early 60's and out first climbing rope was a static "Goldline" rope... OMG, you hated to fall on that baby! Then came the dynamic ropes and many a climbers life, ribs and back were saved by the elastic component of the dynamic rope! Good day, mate!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.
@frenchfryfarmer436
2 жыл бұрын
Haha..I can relate..damn goldline!! That gold line came from the rappeling community. Even a more modern sheathed "Blue water " static line was better than the damn goldline. We always used static for top rope climbing. Dynamic are for lead climbs, rock, ice or mountaineering.
@1st_on_mars227
4 жыл бұрын
I'm really curious what they measure in length new vs at retirement. It might be a good indicator of how much stretch/life is left in it.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Good thought
@vyacheslavioffe5132
2 жыл бұрын
They will still the same !! If you don't do any physical damage to them , nothing else will affect them !!! My ropes are 10 years old , they still the same !!
@chrisdonald625
Жыл бұрын
There is some misinformation related to moisture durability and strength of ropes vs. straps. Products manufactured with nylon are hygoscopic - they absorb moisture. Polyester straps are have low hygroscopicity and dry more quickly. The type of nylon matters a lot; is it PA Nylon 6, 6.6 or one of the other nylon polymers? Unfortunately vendors are not very forthcoming with specifics; two exceptions are Yankum Ropes and Freedom Recovery Gear. Polymer coating of a rope minimizes abrasion and reduces moisture absorption. All tug straps that I have seen are not polymer coated which exposes them to both moisture absorption from rain, mud, etc. and well abrasion in the weave due to dirt and grime. The ARB warning tag mentioned (which is not on my older ARB straps) regarding not using for more than 10 tugs is misleading. I don't believe it means throw it away after 10 pulls. This makes no sense. I think the correct interpretation is that the strap should not be used after 10 consecutive pulls without allowing time for the nylon to recover its elasticity. I have seen numbers from a few hours to 24 hours. (What does ARB say?) I believe a similar caveat applies to a tug rope made of nylon and polyester straps. Recovery time will depend on the number of consecutive pulls and how "heavy" the pulls were. A rope or strap used on a regular basis will definitely loose some elasticity over time.
@cynthiacler9284
4 жыл бұрын
Matts channel is the best! Its so nice to see you guest appearing on another channel. A man with a world of knowledge in that head of his.
@shanemooon
2 жыл бұрын
It’s just a rope. Nothing really special about it. Dynamic ropes are dynamic ropes. It’s a nylon or polyester double braid rope. All dynamic ropes have number of “fall” or shock load moment ratings where when after they meet that, they should be taken out of service. However this is the case for climbing or rope access uses…because those are regulated by EN or ANSI or NFPA standards. But..because “wheeling” has no regulatory body in the US…these companies can just do whatever they want. All dynamic ropes have shock load limits. So it is likely that Matt is just way abusing his ropes beyond what they are supposed to take. Teufelberger would be a good resource on this.
@Lhenry-pf5zn
2 жыл бұрын
My first exposure to a kinetic rope was on a Coroner's inquest.A shallow water tugboat captain lost his head when the towline, (nylon), ripped the deck cleat off the dredge barge which was stuck on a sandbar. Since then I have used nylon or elastic ropes very little. I have bought one of Matts ropes and look forward to using it here in our Canadian winter. I will just leave you with the caution to everyone, make sure that what you are attaching to is secure and can not become a projectile. In the case of the barge, the cleat was welded to the deck and not strong enough for the forces applied to it. Rigging is an artform.
@MadMatt4WD
2 жыл бұрын
That’s horrid. This is why I’ve done so many videos trying to warn people about the dangers.
@AntonioClaudioMichael
Жыл бұрын
Yankum rope and Rhino are the 2 kinetic Brand recovery Ropes I use never used the Arb snatch strap
@watcherofwatchers
4 жыл бұрын
I have been watching Matt's Off Road Recovery channel for a few months now, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this little conversation between these two experts. I gleaned a lot of valuable information that I haven't through the recovery videos (Those are also informative, but in different ways). Thank you.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. We’re only trying to help.
@rd4660
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Utah! It will take you a month to get that red Utah dust out of my kit. Rope, always use a kinetic energy rope. I prefer Bubba Rope.
@wirebrush
4 жыл бұрын
Great show. I've been surprised by the Aussie's resistance to using kinetic ropes. I keep a 10' kinetic rope in my truck as well as a 30' snatch strap. The 10' kinetic rope doesn't take up a lot of room, but it has a lot more stretch than the snatch strap and gets used a lot more.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if it’s a resistance but rather lack of exposure to them. As i say this was my first time to use one.
@wirebrush
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD I commented on kinetic ropes on another well known Aussie 4wd channel and was immediately blown off with "snatch strap does the same thing and doesn't take up as much space" comments. Seemed pretty resistant to me. I agree that lack of exposure is to blame. I see the same thing here when I talk about Black Series trailers. I see resistance from those who haven't been exposed to the Aussie style off road caravans and are accustomed to the garbage trailers we've been sold here for decades.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Hmm. I really don’t have much time for those who are closed to learning. I’m sorry for my fellow countrymen who were disrespectful towards you.
@wirebrush
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD No blame on you or your country. Like I said, there's plenty of it here, probably more. Someday I'd love to go exploring around the outback of Australia. Looks like beautiful country and just my kind of population density. Keep up the great content!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Will do
@MadMatt4WD
Жыл бұрын
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@rigadventure
4 жыл бұрын
I'm big on overlanding. My 5 year old son loves the Winder jeep. Awesome recovery tutorials.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
That is awesome!
@BikingVikingHH
4 жыл бұрын
Oi M8, Matt’s recovery channel brought me here, and you seem like a top bloke yourself! New subscriber here. Skål!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Woot woot. Thanks mate
@leroybrown1845
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video lots of knowledge i just ordered my matts recovery rope can't wait to replace my old10k sling leg thats on its last leg
@brianpeters4486
4 жыл бұрын
Cool video but I realize the rope is just simple double braided nylon. I used that in the Navy, used to know how tomsplice it as well. Very robust stuff but Id you break it watch out.
@davidbutler5114
2 жыл бұрын
I have been using 3” 30’ snatch strap for 20 years. I was skeptical about the ropes until I tried one out. The rope was 100$ more than a good strap but it’s worth it.
@MadMatt4WD
2 жыл бұрын
I agree
@cindys2699
2 жыл бұрын
Matts wasn't much of a talker back when this video got recorded
@kevinthompson5827
4 жыл бұрын
Matt after watching this video I subscribed to your channel. I'm curious to see what you guys are doing in your country. Being a fan of Matt's recovery and seeing him do the things that he does I'm excited to see what you are doing.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin. I hope we live up to your expectations. When you have time go back through some of the videos.
@59vaughn
4 жыл бұрын
Was that a dingo that ran between yous two...😳😜?......that 10 rule is rediculous.....😒....caution and judicial use is always the rule....that to the wind is asking for serious if not fatal results....winches can be slow but helpful....with its own risks....ropes are as nice as straps...prices are a bit ....haven't seen mads channel yet...looking fwd.....watching eds for awhile 😎😂😏....good entertainment....love that jeep...
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
The ten thing is not a rule it's just a fact that straps stop stretching after around 10 big hits. If you're not hitting them hard they can last longer. I hate snatch straps and hardly ever use them these days.
@ChopStickZero
4 жыл бұрын
Never thought a video on a piece of recovery equipment could be so interesting :) .
To keep the elasesety in the bungeee cords wash the ROPES in hot not boiling but hot TURTEL or ALASKA WAX CAR SHAMPOO THE WAX WILL PRESERVE THE ELASTESETY and give a bit of dirt easy off
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting idea. I guess it keeps the fibers slippery
@scottkraniak4941
4 жыл бұрын
Just wondering why you dont have a winch or use one.. just wondering..
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I have winches on both my 4wds but they're not with me on my US trip as I'm Australian based. A winch is my go to recovery device.
@danlux4954
4 жыл бұрын
Winches are slower than kinetic ropes. But they have their place.
@josepeixoto3384
4 жыл бұрын
Ok, so, 10 hits and it's done,the elasticity is gone,it's now like a chain ? ...for a *professional* there is no contest there,is there mate? go with the .50 $ a pull rope, forget the strap,i would... 3 of them to start with,in case a customer overruns it on hard ground and *grinds * it down on the outside..lol it's like when you're pulling someone , and then something stops you,just too suddenly; i use some that are actually made here (in Portugal--it's in Europe,to the left of Spain lol... i lived 20 years in NY and i used to explain this to lots of folks).
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
It's an arbitrary number because there are many variables that can affect this number. But yes they loose their stretch over time.
@DriveCarToBar
4 жыл бұрын
Had a strap fail once pulling my old pickup on the street. It broke in the mid section of a 20ft strap and while the strap did hit my truck, it hit the front (a 1992 Chevy S-10) but caused no damage. I'm not sure if it only hit the steel bumper or the plastic grill too, but I couldn't see any evidence of it. Now, failing in the middle vs. at the end effectively cuts the weight in half and greatly reduces the energy. I don't think I'd want to be standing next to it when it went, but the dangers of failure seem highly dependent on the situation. I'd be more concerned about a tow hook or recovery point coming loose and flinging a heavy chunk of steel, than a strap or a rope breaking cleanly.
@andychips6923
Жыл бұрын
Replying to a 3 year old comment.. but i totally agree. I never used either of these for this exact reason. Recovery point fails and you have a missile.. I rather struggle a little more with a non elastic tow strap or winch line.
@TrillMurray
2 жыл бұрын
3:48 they use nautical miles down there???
@sniperlif3
2 жыл бұрын
Love the video, glad to see two folks with two different experiences just talking about their experiences and not fighting over who is better. In the end, this betters everyone.
@MadMatt4WD
2 жыл бұрын
Yes true, Just trying to help
@clownworld7763
4 жыл бұрын
Is the 10 pull thing there just for protection of the company or do you think it really stretches the nylon to no longer recoil? That yankum rope is made out of the same material I believe. I know its put together differently but I have a hard time thinking they are that different.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I have a strap from ARB with a tag on it to check of the hits but yes in my experience after around 10 full hits they don't stretch as well. I have one that has no stretch left in it.
@alfonsocasillas7290
4 жыл бұрын
Great video I have many friends that bought the rope I hope you’re getting a commission Matt
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
this Matt doesn't unless you buy one from the link in the description. :)
@drobs7279
4 жыл бұрын
I bought kinetic rope after watching all of Matt's Off Road Recovery videos. Someday I'll get a chance to use it.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Go wheeling with a mate and DO IT :)
@jessegillan7013
4 жыл бұрын
That seems like a very entertaining duo. I’ve never heard of the recovery ropes till now, probably because I’m an Aussie but it’ll be good to see how they work!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
love the support :)
@emptyeskiadventures463
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a recovery rope here in Australia about 4 months ago... after watching Matt’s off road recovery (US)... it has been used once to pull out a bogged hilux, their snatch straps had broken trying to get out, so I lent these guys my rope.. the hilux just popped straight out, no fuss... they were like WTF!?!?! great product.
@Malc664
4 жыл бұрын
Jase on All 4 Adventure uses the rope now.
@InspirationInfinity
4 жыл бұрын
@@emptyeskiadventures463 America :D
@KendallPhillips89
4 жыл бұрын
Always been a strap man myself. But in Alabama muck, it's whatever you got...
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
:)
@brianhoefer7148
4 жыл бұрын
6:18 the reduction in shape might be caused from melting due to friction heat as the braids quickly pull tight. I kitesurf and build and pre-stretch my kitelines. Early on, I discovered that if I winch the 1.75mm Dyneema lines during my pre-stretch to quickly, they melt and harden in spots.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
That's a very interesting thought.
@chumpchange1846
3 жыл бұрын
I carry a strap and a kinetic, both 30 feet. I use the kinetic unless I am going to get into rock rash...I let the less expensive strap take the hit if I can't protect the kinetic.
@MadMatt4WD
3 жыл бұрын
Nice work
@brentcraddock7169
4 жыл бұрын
GO JEEP. Your finally outta the closet. Enjoy.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Got caught with ma pants down
@montemurray4513
4 жыл бұрын
I have Bubba Rope and love it, I pulled out buried f350 with my Tacoma no problem
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Nice
@tekawarobb
3 жыл бұрын
Two absolute legends, together! Awesome video, super helpful, thank you!
@MadMatt4WD
3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@RAM-BAWN
4 жыл бұрын
I bought my 1.5 inch (100,000 lb) "tow rope" back at a farm supply store back in 1979. Still have it and has never failed, so I have never even tried a strap. Just DON'T use a chain from truck to truck!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Cool. A chain is good for a tow but's thats all.
@paulblair7515
4 жыл бұрын
I just got a jeep WK (not the best offroading but its my first) a few months ago and have been watching 4x4 videos a lot more recently including Matt's channel. The craziest and coolest videos I see though all come from Australia(i'm from New Mexico, USA). You guys take offroading to the next level. I'm glad you guy's did this video and I was able to find your channel too. I'm subbing now and look forward to many more great videos.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome. take some time to go back through and watch some of my other videos.
@bgjohn3rd
4 жыл бұрын
the rope stretches and less likely to shock the vehicles like the strap or a chain, the strap works much like a chain no give, very jarring. the rope is the way to go. better all around.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
The strap has about 20% stretch and the rope 30%. The strap doesn't cause a shock load.
@leclairranch6947
4 жыл бұрын
Good video I’ve been around ropes most my entire life 30 years. I have tried straps and I don’t like them. We have pulled out tractors, trucks and semis. They just work great. I have only ever broke one rope to the several straps I have broke.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I think I'm going to be happier with ropes from what I'm seeing
@honda116969
Жыл бұрын
Damn this is super informative!!
@T25de
4 жыл бұрын
Love watching the aussies wheel Got some great trails and great vehicles! Been watching Matt’s recovery channel for a while
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Nice
@nekoroms
4 жыл бұрын
Kinetic rope is the only way to go..most modern method of pulling something. watched matt a lot and i own a "stretchy strap" and it still is fairly solid and gives a too big of a tug and can damage things. kinetic rope is just allround better as its gentle and gives more power as its kinetic. what matt said about ropes going bad is the same that happens with climbing gear and you just get bunch of rocks inside the weave of the rope and it eats the rope away. also you cant easily get the rocks out at all so i think a protective sleeve of some sort would be a good add onto the rope
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
it's been suggested a bit of old fire hose to protect it.
@nileexpediting6297
4 жыл бұрын
“In Australia” Hold my beer , Matt
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@cmoore421
2 жыл бұрын
Still aint worth the 300$ he’s askin for it
@clintchapman4319
3 жыл бұрын
Growing up, my Dad had a 100' "kinetic rope". We always called them snatch ropes. As far as them wearing out, he had that one for over 20 years that I can attest to. I never broke as far as I know. It got used A LOT! Often people would look him up just to borrow it as that was the only way to get them out when they were out in the middle of a pond or something. Good times!
@MadMatt4WD
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds awesome. Ropes seem to behave very different to the straps.
@panama-canada
4 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t really matter. Straps are more compact and easier to store. But in terms of tonnage, they’re equally good.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
yeah not sure i'm agreeing with you there. I'm starting to lean towards a rope for the Kinetic recovery
@InspirationInfinity
4 жыл бұрын
straps are a joke... I've seen many fail.. while recovery ropes are BUILT to last through many many hits.
@ibrakeforrainbows5002
4 жыл бұрын
@@InspirationInfinity It's a bit misleading. Most people only see the little 2" straps that are on the shelves at the local store. There are guys out there running 6" wide, or wider, straps and you can get multi-layer straps. That also starts to get into the heart of the limitations of "kinetic" recovery lines, as some call them, they need to be sized correctly for the vehicle to get the maximum effect.
@codyfulghum2262
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen tanks being pulled with recovery ropes, at redstone arsenal. I'd have to give the win to the rope.
@MadMatt4WD
3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@Ericbjohnston5150
3 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD I'd give the win to a slow pull mega winch.
@DefMusic79
4 жыл бұрын
Why not do this the " Real way? " ARB Vs Yankum & put both through hell?
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
wait to see the next videos
@DefMusic79
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD When lol?
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
We release a video a week so probably 2-3 weeks out for this one
@TheSacobeans
3 жыл бұрын
When I first saw Matt's off road recovery I was very confused why a professional would be shock loading his strap haha
@MadMatt4WD
3 жыл бұрын
Yes until we understand the tool.
@ericpettyfishing
4 жыл бұрын
What do you do with the old straps? Toss em? Use them for something else? Rope swing? Lol
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Or Bin
@marlonm396
4 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen, i ran into this posting by mistake and i am glad i did as i learned a lot about recovery gear. Stay fafe..
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure
@fillupread
4 жыл бұрын
I have had a snatch strap for 15 years and it has not lost a bit of its elasticity. Its got a few frayed areas so I am looking to replace it. Evidently DO NOT buy an ARB strap...10 pulls and its done? Either that is total BS or they make junk. Not a good plug for ARB....
@fillupread
4 жыл бұрын
On another note...ARB's website says nothing about 10 pulls and its toast.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
It is dependant on how hard the hits are.
@raphaelgoeiman
4 жыл бұрын
Should have started with "so we got a call"
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha
@CaseysOffRoadRecovery
4 жыл бұрын
Of course such a great video. I do prefer a rope as you know. Keep up the good work!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate Love your work
@imchris5000
4 жыл бұрын
the strap itself breaking is not what does the damage its when you rip the anchor point off and send it flying
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
this is true.
@jessetroyer5877
4 жыл бұрын
Yes in my op.iv had more anchor points break on me then the straps.
@l337pwnage
4 жыл бұрын
Ya, everybody focuses on the big ropes/straps, but they never reinforce their tow points.
@daveisnothere
4 жыл бұрын
The use of the kinetic rope dates at least back to the mid-60's which is when I first saw them in use in Southern CA. Literally everyone in the club we were in had a 30' piece of 3/4" white nylon rope with the eyelets braided in each end. The strap and rope both had their place but usually we all just used the rope. The biggest difference we saw was I've seen one of the 30' ropes we had stretch out to be close to 50' long, a strap had almost no stretch to it back then. Also, one unique feature of the nylon rope was if you had a FJ-40 and attached a Jeep CJ-5 to the other end the rope magically turned into a push-rope and was able to push the Jeep uphill... at least if you ask my uncle. Seriously though, I am actually a little surprised the modern kinetic rope doesn't stretch as much as its predecessor did. I cant count how many times we use that rope to pull out people that were un-recoverable by winch, strap or chain. The most extreme was a small motor home buried in the sand to the frame that a FJ-40 couldn't winch out but the aforementioned Jeep pulled out with the rope without breaking a sweat (nor using four-wheel drive for that matter, but don't tell the FJ driver that, he felt bad enough as it was).
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the story. A kinetic recovery is a very very powerful method of recovery which is why it's used. The biggest concern lies in people doing them safely.
@TroubleBKC
4 жыл бұрын
Rolled over from Matt's Offroad and this is a video i had no idea i needed. i have used snatch straps for a while and had more than one fail s this is great knowledge!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
glad to have helped
@oBseSsIoNPC
4 жыл бұрын
Haha, never heard this before: "Expert: Ex is a has-been and spurt is a drip under pressure" LOL
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
😂
@TheCRCTeamcom
4 жыл бұрын
Matt of off-road recovery is the MAN!
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah @matts off road recovery is a tops guy.
@onejerrysmith
4 жыл бұрын
G'day, Matt. One of the problems I see out on the trails is using the WRONG kind of strap for the operation being done. First, there are tow-straps that have been around forever. They are NOT kinetic recovery straps!! I see people using them to perform what should be a kinetic recovery and often suffer from all kinds of failures. They are also used in winching where an extension is necessary, Tow straps do not stretch very much and therefore do not retain energy. Winching with a kinetic rope or strap is NOT ADVISED because they stretch and retain energy under loading.... something you do not want on a winch line pull. Next, there are the kinetic recovery straps. They may be used for towing. In some cases, they may even be PREFERRED for towing when you have someone in one or the other vehicle who do no KNOW what they are doing or supposed to do. They can absorb the shocks of the two vehicles overrunning one another. I am not an expert with the differences, but I do not believe the kinetic straps to be as stretchy as the kinetic ropes. I don't think most people KNOW the differences between a kinetic strap and a tow-strap well enough to be safely carrying one of each. They will take the one most convenient to grab and not one they REQUIRE! The two look very similar and if one is in a hurry, may pick the wrong equipment. I prefer a tow strap and a kinetic rope so there is no mix up.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with much of what you're saying. A kinetic rope can be used in a quick sand winch recovery to hold a constant load on while the vacuum is released.
@onejerrysmith
4 жыл бұрын
Quick sand is not something we deal with in the US. I can see where that would make great sense.
@796andy2
4 жыл бұрын
On my list ...
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
it should be :)
@OverlandPNW
3 жыл бұрын
I just used that same red Factor 55 recovery rope last weekend. Worked great ! Snatch straps are good too !
@MadMatt4WD
3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@gregparrott
4 жыл бұрын
The keywords 'Matt's Off Road Recovery' brought me here. I look forward to the comparative testing of snatch straps versus recovery ropes. The key differentiator is the recovery rope's greater stretch. The likely mechanism for this stretch is not as much the material as it is the geometrical construction. The strands are configured into a helical/serpentine weave. As load is applied, the helix is pulled into a straighter line, as evidenced by the rope becoming thinner. While Yankum looks great, I bought another brand because after 6 months since I notified them, they have STILL failed to correct or even acknowledge a libelous error on their web page. You can easily verify it yourself: Compare the Maximum Breaking Strength (MBS) of Yankum's various rope diameters to those of 'Bubba' ropes (the only manufacturer with military certified strengths). Both manufacturers list the same MBS for their 7/8" and 1.5" ropes. In between these two diameters, Yankum offers a 1", while Bubba offers a 1.25". Here's the problem: Yankum lists their 1" as having the same MBS as Bubba's 1.25". For this to be true, Yankum's 1" rope MUST be made of a different material than all their other ropes. By comparing cross sectional areas, Yankum's 1" rope would have to use a material that is 56% stronger than all their other rope. Furthermore, that material would have to be 56% stronger to all ropes made by Bubba and every other manufacturer of recovery ropes. Due to lack of response, I bought a 1" rope from another manufacturer. While their 7/8" and 1.5" ropes match Yankum's and Bubba's MBS, their 1" rope has a rated MBS of 33,500 lbs. This is what one would expect based on cross sectional areas. Perhaps by posting this here, it will finally prompt them to be responsible about a real liability in their advertising.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I'll stay out of that discussion but I'll tag them. @yankum rope
@gregparrott
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD Thanks. My email was to 'Alan'. Now that I've checked my emails, it was on 12/4/19. That's a bit over 4 months ago, not 6.
@jimyeats
4 жыл бұрын
I’m picturing this rant as being spoken by Vizzini from A Princess Bride. It appears Yankum ropes has encountered one of the two classic blunders; never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! But seriously, maybe Yankum just tests them differently, or there are other variables at play. I’m not sure you can label it a ‘libelous error’ quite yet. I could care less, if they are good enough for Matt they are good enough for me.
@gregparrott
4 жыл бұрын
@@jimyeats It's fine that you call it a rant. But the math is real simple.....should you elect to go the next size up from what Matt uses, you'll be disappointed if you expect it to be anywhere near as strong as what's advertised.
@johns66prostreetchevellema13
4 жыл бұрын
I have a snach strap and I would love to have a yankum strap
@wendellyazzie3303
4 жыл бұрын
I used a snatch strap once to get my yukon xl out of some deep mud with my duramax and it snapped and took out my rear window.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that doesn't surprise me. One of the reasons I'm not a fan of them
@wendellyazzie3303
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah now I carry a bubba rope in my vehicles. Thanks for the great video.
@amacca995
4 жыл бұрын
As an Aussie 4x4 enthusiast im very happy to see this video. Subbed to Matts channel for a long time now and subbing here. I have never used the ropes myself, always straps and used them much more than only 10 times! Infact my current arb one would be atleast 20 pulls and still works. Will have to look into these ropes though. Over 100 pulls and still working? That is excellent value for money.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. You can get the rope in the link in the description and use the code madmatt to get 10% off
@skeetermcswagger0U812
4 жыл бұрын
It's funny that after WINDER Matt says; "Well it's hard to find a real expert on these...." and Mad Matt says; "Well you're it now!!!" I laughed for a really long time after that,.....but it's gotta be the closest thing to the truth considering what he puts those things through!!!😉👍
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Yep totally the guys done more than anyone I know.
@gavnunns
4 жыл бұрын
Rock climbers have been using kinetic ropes for years and have great guides and rules to go by on when to expect a failure. Same rules should apply just with different values of force but generally with less serious consequence.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
interesting point
@gavnunns
4 жыл бұрын
it's a very similar construction, external friction and multiple full extension big falls will reduce life span. A good climbing rope can last 10+ years in perfect conditions. These ropes are on a much bigger scale but after researching I would never use anything else outside of a winch for off road recovery. Almost as important as anchor points...for both recovery and climbing 😎
@BrodieTheDog101
4 жыл бұрын
Just so you know. Since you have your channel marked “for kids” I am unable to hit the bell after subscribing.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Hey mate. I've had a look into it. Others seem to be seeing the bell and hitting it. Not sure whats going on. You only see the bell once subscribed. Thanks for taking the time to alert us though.
@tilmanfrers7206
4 жыл бұрын
I drive in northern Canada, where theres snow on the roads 8 months of the year. I get one of my vehicles stuck about once a year somewhere. What sort of gear would you recommend to keep in my truck, for the occasional moderate recovery? Snatch strap and 2 soft shackles?
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
That would be a great start. you may even consider 2 straps you can join because getting enough kinetic energy on ice can be a challenge so a longer run-up may be needed.
@tilmanfrers7206
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD awesome. Thanks!
@pkeeney
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting to hear they originated in the tug boat industry. I used to wheel with a guy that swore by his tug rope, it worked great. He became known for supplying and splicing tug ropes for local wheelers.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
nice
@arniepries6480
4 жыл бұрын
I've only used the straps so can't compare the 2 properly - although I like how the rope works for Matt's Off road recoveries he does. We never mix strap and chains together as if one of them breaks(have seen a grade 80 chain break ) a lot of damage can occur - eg take out the rad or windshield let alone someone gets hurt.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I'm leaning towards rope
@EvansTheTraveller
3 жыл бұрын
Two Matts from different part of the world and they both make fantastic videos.
@MadMatt4WD
3 жыл бұрын
🥰
@kisbushcraftdownunder
4 жыл бұрын
I have know about resting a snatch strap after a heavy recovery to let it shrink back to normal length but I did not know it have a ten use life span
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
There ya go. Obviously it depends on how hard the hits are. A lot of people actually perform a tow recovery and think it's a snatch recovery. 2 very different things.
@RobertKohut
4 жыл бұрын
Nice!! 'Steered' on over from Matt's channel...:-)
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for coming
@Victor_Victory
4 жыл бұрын
Onya mate
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
:)
@olliehopnoodle4628
4 жыл бұрын
I carry a strap (the ARB). But I am not a professional like Matt. I think his use of the more expensive and bulkier rope is the way to go. I like the price point and compactness of my strap.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
I'm leaning towards the rope but yes it is bulky.
@olliehopnoodle4628
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadMatt4WD Yeah the ARB stores pretty easy. I have it tucked behind my seat along with a short tow strap, some jumper cables and small tool set. I have found keeping these easy to access (along with first aid kit, fire extinguisher) is helpful. I have a larger tool set in the back of the rig and more recovery stuff. But usually a couple of straps and a D ring gets the job done.
@paddlingfool64
4 жыл бұрын
lots of jabber and no comparisons , boring as batsh..
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Can't please some people ay.
@ford_drivingbuilder4225
4 жыл бұрын
new subscriber here from the mid west U.S. i have been watching matt winder for quite some time. you seam like a good guy too. ill check you out.
@MadMatt4WD
4 жыл бұрын
Why thank you from down under :)
@texoma_outdoors
4 жыл бұрын
I used to use straps before I started watching Matt's channel. I ordered a rope but haven't had an occasion that I've needed it yet.
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