@@jacobbaker4695 I’m a buffalo fan and love Allen but Darnold makes career was ruined by the Jets. Buffalo helped Allen along
@anthonygreen8751
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao Mel was so pissed he was shaking .. o and how does Jackson make the players around him better ? I dont think Hollywood brown agrees. If anything Allen makes everyone around him better Brown last season had his best as a pro Diggs and Beasley this season are also having the best seasons as pros Allen is making the players around him better
@mkhanman12345
3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonygreen8751 allen makes no one better. he has good players around him
@streetbaby8026
3 жыл бұрын
Lol Mel the truth!!
@TheRmm1976
3 жыл бұрын
Mel Kiper is finally right, after 40+ years of scouting.
@EvanH1122
3 жыл бұрын
He is so trash
@JM1992
3 жыл бұрын
@Jrg Vsqz I don't want to be reminded that the Panthers drafted Jimmy Clausen.
@raycool6048
3 жыл бұрын
Lol he was just wrong with justin herbert ,he said justin herbert wasnt even first rd talent😂 and he lying he said Lamar should play wr coming out of college
@jasonj5862
3 жыл бұрын
@@raycool6048 Pretty sure that was Bill Polian who said before the draft that Lamar should be a WR.
@duaneacarterii
3 жыл бұрын
Right
@coreymac6939
3 жыл бұрын
Find you someone who defends you the way that Mel Kiper defends Josh Allen 😂😂
@ompatel3265
3 жыл бұрын
Thats the thing, you cant
@haseebdawar4760
3 жыл бұрын
@@ompatel3265 I did Dan orlovsky defending Carson wentz
@longheldthoughts1258
3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@ompatel3265
3 жыл бұрын
@@haseebdawar4760 Why is that so true
@edghlover7535
3 жыл бұрын
That's because Josh Allen is Cam Newton physically with Peyton Mannings command of the offense. You should really watch him more than you have and you'll start swinging from his nuts just like he is
@Frolf25
3 жыл бұрын
Something I find interesting is the fact they say Allen needs Amazing talent around him to be great but why not bring up the fact the Mahomes has always had amazing talent around him and still does to this day. Perhaps building a team is just as important as developing your QB 🤔
@joemicer4816
3 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that the Bills talent isn't even that amazing, not near the level of the Chiefs. It's all about narrative, they want to push the narrative of Mahomes being great and Allen not.
@eddydede4275
3 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Irwin- Diehl agreed I think these guys are saying Lamar cause they’re dug in on him and didn’t expect this from Allen
@AdderallAscension
3 жыл бұрын
@@joemicer4816 Mahomes has quite good talent, but when you watch games you realize how special he is. The way he throws it, the accuracy, and the shock when he misses a SINGLE deep ball.
@theartwell1918
3 жыл бұрын
@@AdderallAscension True. Especially when they're wide open. And ALL his receivers have 4.3 speed. The way he heaves it to these speed demons makes him truly special. Above all other QBs he's the greatest. No others can do what he does. Especially NOT Alex Smith (2017) or Matt Moore (2 games 2019 659yds 4tds) He's one of a kind!)
@aoht06
3 жыл бұрын
What helps Mahomes case is the fact that we saw all his weapons in Andy Reids offense with Alex Smith as they QB and they were no where near as explosive as they are now. So it’s easier for people to credit Mahomes for elevating that offense. What hurts Allen is that to this point the excuse for him was always the bad talent around him at Wyoming and his first couple years with the Bills. So it’s only natural for the people who doubted him to begin with to want to credit the talent around him as to why he’s playing so well now.
@rickypatrick3907
3 жыл бұрын
They completely forgot Rosen lmao
@denversportscentral1960
3 жыл бұрын
They didn't forget him. They ignored him because he's totally irrelevant
@Gpeagasus246
3 жыл бұрын
He’s literally on a practice squad. He’s irrelevant
@rickypatrick3907
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gpeagasus246 that’s what’s so funny
@amadoumaiga8503
3 жыл бұрын
They didn’t, G mentioned him but he is irrelevant so he is going last. No need to rank him
@Warcodered01
3 жыл бұрын
They only included the mistakes.
@tymovetact377
3 жыл бұрын
They got Mel tight 😤 stop playing wit him yo 💀😂😂😂
@jaysenior88ify
3 жыл бұрын
Mel tight tight
@lebronkanter4616
3 жыл бұрын
lmao they got him shaking
@tymovetact377
3 жыл бұрын
@@jaysenior88ify facts 🤣
@tymovetact377
3 жыл бұрын
@@lebronkanter4616 deadass 💀🤣🤣
@erikpuka2627
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone is a G until Mel is angry and has a point
@GamersPlayerUnion
3 жыл бұрын
Its funny they talk about talent around Josh Allen but it’s funny that each one of those receivers mentioned has had the best year of their career under Allen. 🤔
@damianpresha5155
3 жыл бұрын
You mean Brian Daboll ?
@earllee7775
3 жыл бұрын
Man if only Lamar had a weapon like John Brown. Oh wait.
@aoht06
3 жыл бұрын
Difference is the receivers were still solid players before Allen. As the numbers show, Allen was a pretty mediocre passer before they got there.
@jaytheactivist8520
3 жыл бұрын
It’s a symbiotic relationship lol
@GamersPlayerUnion
3 жыл бұрын
aoht06 yeah Allen got better as the talent got better around him. Like the poster said Lamar had John Brown and what did he do with him. NOTHING. Forget about about the Bills top 3 receivers then. Allen and the Bills got a 4th round receiver Gabe Davis ballin. How do you explain that
@mitchgilbert6894
3 жыл бұрын
ESPN be like: “Josh Allen 10th overall”
@matthewmazzatto8003
3 жыл бұрын
Does no one proof-read at ESPN?
@quinnfagan8707
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@rockymntskier
3 жыл бұрын
HEY ESPN, JOSH ALLEN WAS THE 7TH PICK - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
@ryancarr587
3 жыл бұрын
They confused that pick with Bills trading pick 10 to KC for Patrick 😂
@justinlowe5678
3 жыл бұрын
For one Josh Allen‘s pick was seventh and not 10th idiots! 2 josh is going to win a super bowl...Lamar won’t ever get there. Josh is by far the better QB...Lamars a little quicker thsts it!
@legsbenedict17
3 жыл бұрын
These boys acting like teams were falling over themselves to sign Cole beasley
@KevinWidesouls
3 жыл бұрын
True but having a reliable slot guy like that is huge from a completion percentage standpoint. Also, they’re right in saying that Beasley is better than every WR Lamar has ever played with.
@brett5548
3 жыл бұрын
@@KevinWidesouls Hollywood isn’t comparable to Beasley?
@chaseanderson215
3 жыл бұрын
@@brett5548 hollywood can run streaks and posts, not too much in between
@gecko229
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah and the Ravens skill position guys are supposedly scrubs lmao foh
@KevinWidesouls
3 жыл бұрын
@@brett5548 I think he’s somewhat comparable to Beasley and definitely has a higher ceiling. But Beasley is a proven, reliable veteran receiver that is playing his best football.
@901Chris
3 жыл бұрын
Mel Kiper is sick of these lazy scouts 😂😂
@jabaricrewsellis8740
3 жыл бұрын
Yet he's a lazy scout himself 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@901Chris
3 жыл бұрын
@@jabaricrewsellis8740 The irony 💀💀
@jctslice
3 жыл бұрын
haha mel went OFF, and i LOVE it when he gets PASSIONATE like that. my mans kept it REAL lmao
@rockroad4505
3 жыл бұрын
Kiper is wrong 99% of the time.
@patdaly9015
3 жыл бұрын
@@rockroad4505 not really he's right more then he is wrong
@Jesus-do1wl
3 жыл бұрын
Josh Allen was drafted 7th not 10th. Josh Rosen was drafted 10th. SMH @ ESPN
@lebron9138
3 жыл бұрын
So we going to ignore John brown had his best season under Josh Allen and Cole Beasley had his 2 best season under Josh Allen
@justinrolfe9134
3 жыл бұрын
Stefon Diggs is having a career year as well.
@douglasgadesi8201
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed on all this seems like they forget that not only do the Ravens have Hollywood Brown but they also have a couple of really good TEs. Something the Bills lack. Lamar also has the support of a great running game. Bills are more one dimensional offensively. I’d take Allen over Jackson and I think it’s Allen that brings up these bills players level of play even more.
@Gleeshhh
3 жыл бұрын
Douglas Gadesi do you even watch the games? Hollywood had 3 drops against the browns and 2 the week prior. He’s inconsistent. And we have 1 good receiving tight end, the other is a blocker and he’s out. Our receiving core is willie Snead, Hollywood brown, and miles Boykin. Don’t forget to mention the horrible receiving coaches
@lrragula
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gleeshhh Yeah, Lamar could do with better receiving talent. But Allens his first year was MUCH MUCH worse, and his second year it was comparable. Mark Andrews is an elite tight end, Hollywood brown may drop passes but he can definitely get open (and Lamar misses him constantly), willie snead is a decent slot receiver (nothing special Ill admit), and Boykin is a second (?? I believe not fully sure) round pick and Allen is making Gabe Davis, a fourth round pick, incredibly productive.
@JWolfe1191
3 жыл бұрын
@@lrragula boykin was a third rounder. Brown has speed and lamar does overthrow him at times but he does not get consistent separation which is mind-boggling given his previously mentioned speed
@locustron4268
3 жыл бұрын
I think If I where Cleveland I would still take baker. Under Kevin Stefanski he looks good. He just feels like Cleveland man
@TheCruzan26
3 жыл бұрын
He's an average QB with great weapons
@DM-sc9rg
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheCruzan26 your former qb won 2 sbs that way...
@TheCruzan26
3 жыл бұрын
@@DM-sc9rg LMAO I'm known as the biggest Eli hater but he's not an average QB. He was better than average. And if you're talking about Phil Simms, he technically won 2 but started one. We won with great defense, I would admit that. But Baker was chosen 1st overall. Lamar and Josh Allen are better QBs.
@JayInHisPrime
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheCruzan26 facts i see tim tebow when i see baker
@QUANTRELLBISHOP
3 жыл бұрын
LMAO Mayfield would be top guy if Browns never brought in cancer beckam. Mayfields rookie year was great then they bring in beckam and he went down hill. Mayfiled without beckam this year 11tds 0 ints. Guys a stud end of argument game over puppets
@DiPo7213
3 жыл бұрын
“Josh allen needs talent around him to be exceptional” Translation = if a quarterback doesn’t play like Tom brady, they’re trash
@zacharyvandal9452
3 жыл бұрын
Tom brady had great talent around him too and great coaching
@deadpooler6993
3 жыл бұрын
Josh Allen says 10th it’s supposed to be 7th
@rjeanes3885
3 жыл бұрын
Mel was getting pissed with they kept picking Lamar😂😂
@rjeanes3885
3 жыл бұрын
When*
@lul420
3 жыл бұрын
Yea, Mel the same dude calling Lamar a bust coming out of the draft.
@jacksonsmith4935
3 жыл бұрын
@@lul420 3 weeks later. Josh Allen is the truth. And I like Lamar but josh Allen 1 no questions asked
@Trillmxtic
3 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonsmith4935 debatable. I prefer Allen but Jackson is also super good too. I think picking either of them is justifiable but Picking Baker Mayfield in this debate is pure stupidity lol
@jacksonsmith4935
3 жыл бұрын
@@Trillmxtic agreed. Josh Allen is more of a prototypical qb. Lamar relies on his athleticism which can be a problem down the road. Baker doesn’t have a lot of physical talent like the other two so he’s he’s going to need a lot of supporting pieces around him because he can’t will a team to victory with his low ceiling
@davidurban6428
2 жыл бұрын
Go ahead Mel we hear you
@speedwack
3 жыл бұрын
Josh Allen is all heart. Sometimes as a fault, but usually positive
@dylanbuckley5524
3 жыл бұрын
I think nearly everyone didn't answer the question that was asked here which wasn't who is better right now or who has had a better career so far. Adding an elite WR does help but as Mel said about Allen in college people are just looking at the numbers and making excuses and not actually looking at him play. Allen is the only one who every year is consistently getting better. Jackson has regressed this year in the same offense and has gone one and done twice in the playoffs, neither time being competitive. If Allen can be better with pieces around him does it not make sense to take him and then put players around him? Every teams goal is to win the Super Bowl, that's your hope when you draft a franchise QB and I believe Allen gives the best chance at this
@kingbeyfan2598
3 жыл бұрын
Lamar is playing in the same offense but not with the same weapons. His pro bowl left tackle is on IR. His first round TE Hayden Hurst... traded. One of the best blocking TEs in the league Nick Boyle... IR. His HoF right Guard... retired. 33 players on the Ravens were on the COVID list including Lamar. The only form of practice this team had was virtual in the last 3 weeks. Based off that, of course his numbers has regressed. His rookie season he only started in the final 7 games and lead a 4-5 team to a division title (10-6) and their first playoff berth in 4 years. Won the leagues MVP season last season. And in 2020, with all the adversity he’s faced, he has a chance to lead his team to the playoffs for a 3rd time. Lamar wins with less weapons. THAT’S WHAT MAKE HIM BETTER! And when it comes to playoff records, neither of them has a win...
@dionwalker2667
2 жыл бұрын
I agree 💯%
@SabresGuy87
Жыл бұрын
@@kingbeyfan2598 tell me more about Lamar.......
@javcarrero1379
3 жыл бұрын
Allen came into the league with the worst offensive line in the league and kelvin benjamin as his top receiver. And he still looked like he could make every play but had no help. Now he has help and he gets criticized or knocked because he has a good team around him. I’m pretty sure people praised how good Manning was throwing to Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, and being able to hand off to Edgerin James and be protected by a hall of fame center like Jeff Saturday. So if we’re gonna blame Allen for having talent around him, lets start doing that for every quarterback. He’s not only good because of the pieces around him, he’s good because of his own talent!
@11chimy
3 жыл бұрын
This is lazy commentary, Diggs and Beasley about to have CAREER years w Allen, but he doesn’t make his teammates better? Ight
@terrancehall9762
3 жыл бұрын
They were established players.
@rockroad4505
3 жыл бұрын
Their are and were good receivers already.
@donovanmoman2555
3 жыл бұрын
@PocketAces23 stephon digs literally had a walk off game winning td in the playoffs against the No. 1 saints how is that rotting
@erikpuka2627
3 жыл бұрын
Dominique just admited why he hates Josh Allen and its because of Allens race.He is lying and trying to argue with "facts".I got no problem with his reason tho.He cam love or hate whoever he wants
@lrragula
3 жыл бұрын
@@rockroad4505 LMAO yes they were good, established receivers, but EVERYBODY made fun of Cole Beasley before for being maybe the most average, boring slot receiver ever. Also, John Brown had a career year last year, and was on pace for a career year this year before he got injured. Oh, also Stefon Diggs is smashing his yards and receptions record this year. While obviously talent around him has made josh Allen better (like literally every other qb in NFL history), he makes his wide receivers MUCH better in the same way.
@marcuskerr8916
3 жыл бұрын
Mel Kiper predicts way more busts than studs and he finally got one right and now he wants to flex 🤣🤣🤣
@walliali202
3 жыл бұрын
He was literally the only one slamming the table saying Josh is the best 3 years ago and people laughed at him. He deserves it
@TheDrJohnStangel
3 жыл бұрын
I mean I’d be pretty annoyed too if you have a bunch of guys saying Lamar could do what Josh Allen is doing right now when that’s 1000% false 😂
@marcuskerr8916
3 жыл бұрын
@@walliali202 “A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while” He also predicted Brock Osweiler to be better than Russell Wilson and that the Texans should draft Johnny Manziel first overall lol
@walliali202
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcuskerr8916 Yeah so? U realize every gm in the nfl was also wrong about wilson too he went in the 3rd round. Its impossible to know the future but he was the only pro Allen guy so now he reaps the rewards
@marcuskerr8916
3 жыл бұрын
@@walliali202 yeah Wilson isn’t the only example, he believed Manziel should be number one lol, he believe Mitch Trebisky and Deshone Kizer was better than deshaun Watson. He predicts QB’s every year. Good for Mel getting 1 out of about 10 right lol he also like Ryan Leaf over a Peyton Manning lol
@christopherwaits7852
3 жыл бұрын
Baker is the only one mentally tough enough to survive the turmoil in Cleveland. It’s not even a question. He was the best fit and it’s now paying dividends
@omieg89
3 жыл бұрын
No doubt. They can have those other QBs. Baker keeps getting better every game. We’re so lucky to have him in Cleveland.
@DeVine22305076
3 жыл бұрын
Mel came in HOT
@PACNYY
3 жыл бұрын
Allen is one of the best QBs in the NFL already. BUF has found their QB of the future and no doubt he'll be compared to the great Jim Kelly. BUF fans enjoy the ride because your guys will be winning the AFC East for years to come.
@jctslice
3 жыл бұрын
you're absolutely right, josh allen was an absolute STEAL
@ThePhoenix1
2 жыл бұрын
welp, never underestimate bill belichick, took that man one season to rebuild without brady 😭😂
@andrewambrusko3651
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhoenix1 and then they got completely EMBARRASSED against Josh Allen in the postseason
@riochatmon2138
3 жыл бұрын
allen wasn’t 10th he was 7th or 8th i forgot
@michaelmoo5450
3 жыл бұрын
7th Rosen was 10th
@Skizee10
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmoo5450 your wrong I’m a bills fan it was 6th
@ellietaylorsver
3 жыл бұрын
no its was 7th
@riochatmon2138
3 жыл бұрын
@@Skizee10 you wrong allen was 7th
@riochatmon2138
3 жыл бұрын
@@Skizee10 the other josh allen was 6th i believe but ima diehard bills fan that’s how i kno
@XxGlobalGamerxX
3 жыл бұрын
Lol just now covering what Bills fans knew about Allen since last season.
@anthonyciancio5727
3 жыл бұрын
I’m a Steelers fan and Ik
@Athlete1990
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we all knew that Diggs would make him look better.
@rayromo2470
3 жыл бұрын
@@Athlete1990 oh right it's not like John Brown and Beasley dont have career games it's all Stefon right? And here we have another dude that doesnt watch Bills games 🤦🏽♂️ even Gave Davis our 4th rounder is out there making a name for himself
@OMNIBAD
3 жыл бұрын
@@rayromo2470 I disagree with the Davis take but Allen does look good
@ATX-js1to
3 жыл бұрын
Imma cowboys fan and Ik he was a stud
@jasonj5862
3 жыл бұрын
Josh Allen was drafted 7th, not 10th.
@808HankHill
3 жыл бұрын
Remember when Josh Rosen said he’ll make everyone regret passing up on him... yeah they don’t regret it LOL
@kevindukes8185
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he ain't even a starter, LOL
@unitedstatesofsmash5000
3 жыл бұрын
BWAHHHHHH!!!
@bigdawgsgottaeat5028
3 жыл бұрын
He’s never gotten the shot, be honest with yourself
@lilcourtny08
3 жыл бұрын
@@bigdawgsgottaeat5028 he did and he sucked. Both teams he were on are better off without him. He was replaced with better qbs
@kevindukes8185
3 жыл бұрын
@@bigdawgsgottaeat5028 yes he did get a chance Arizona and Miami give him a chance to play and he was garbage
@l2ealChuckNorris
3 жыл бұрын
Bills have the best receiving core in the league? Come on that's an absurd statement
@shanevollmer12
3 жыл бұрын
They acting like Beasley is an elite weapon it’s awesome
@l2ealChuckNorris
3 жыл бұрын
@Derrick Robinson Not here to defend Lamar or anyone. Just saying that Bills wr core is fairly average
@shanevollmer12
3 жыл бұрын
@Abdulai Dainkeh yea I know he’s a solid 2nd option but there are many better WR duos in the league, just crazy to call the Bills core the best in the league
@l2ealChuckNorris
3 жыл бұрын
@Derrick Robinson I watch a ton of football and definitely know the game. They're solid, especially Diggs! But that doesn't compare to a team like the Bucs with AB, Evans, Godwin, Gronk.
@aoht06
3 жыл бұрын
Why is it absurd? The Bills receivers are excellent route runners and get tons of separation. They’re nearly impossible to cover man to man. You can argue they aren’t the best but they’re definitely top 5.
@adriangarza6452
3 жыл бұрын
Dominique really just said Bills have the best WR Corps 😂 ROFL
@eddydede4275
3 жыл бұрын
He also said Marvin Lewis should be #1 on coaches list for hire 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️😂😂
@billsboyak47
3 жыл бұрын
Stefon Diggs is #1 in NFL in receptions, Cole Beasley is the top slot receiver in football, John Brown is great (hurt rn), Dawson Knox, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah McKenzie. Bills do have one of the top WR corps.
@adriangarza6452
3 жыл бұрын
@@billsboyak47 They don’t have the best. They’re 3rd AT BEST
@AnimalsDressedasHumans
3 жыл бұрын
Allen spreads the ball around. It isn’t just Diggs & Beasley. John Brown had a career last year, Gabriel Davis and Isaiah McKenzie have played well. That’s a reflection on Allen
@jaihatch
2 жыл бұрын
And now our tight end Dawson Knox!
@samkaminski715
3 жыл бұрын
Dang, their graphic at the bottom doesn’t even know when Josh Allen was drafted
@stefankuhn2744
3 жыл бұрын
Not only does Josh Allen make average players better, but he’s making legit star WRs better than they were. Diggs, Brown, and Beasley were all having career years. And they were pretty good before Buffalo
@michaelshan22
3 жыл бұрын
I like how they all completely ignored Mel's point about how Josh Allen won games despite having a very limited supporting cast in Wyoming. Allen doesn't "need" top receivers to be good. Sure, that'll help him just like good weapons will help other QBs, but it should be clear to see that Allen has elevated his team regardless of the rest of the offense.
@shanevollmer12
3 жыл бұрын
Yea he’s improved and is making everyone around him better this season. His only great weapon is Diggs, such lazy takes
@aoht06
3 жыл бұрын
If Allen doesn’t need top receivers to be good then why was he a mediocre passer before Diggs got there? He’s never completed over 60% of his passes or thrown for over 300 yards until this season. He’s proven he can win games without elite weapons but he wouldn’t have the numbers he has without them.
@shanevollmer12
3 жыл бұрын
@@aoht06 Can a young quarterback not improve simply through hard work in the offseason? Diggs obviously helps, there aren’t many quarterbacks who can play at an elite level without at least one great weapon but to say the jump in production by Allen is solely because of the Diggs acquisition is disrespectful. He’s worked hard on his accuracy issues and it’s paying off
@aoht06
3 жыл бұрын
@@shanevollmer12 I never said Allen hasn’t improved. He obviously has. It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Likewise, it wouldn’t be honest to say Allen would be putting up elite numbers without great talent/system around him considering he never did it in College or the NFL until this year. Not hating on Allen it’s just facts.
@elisportsguy8154
3 жыл бұрын
The MVP goes first. Lamar is literally the offense...
@901Chris
3 жыл бұрын
That Wednesday night game against the Steelers is how the ravens would look without Lamar
@elisportsguy8154
3 жыл бұрын
@@901Chris literally
@reidbergstrom3541
3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@jacoblee5796
3 жыл бұрын
@@901Chris And how did the offense look Lamar's next game back? What'd he have, 100 yards passing!?
@nickt2222
3 жыл бұрын
@@901Chris any team would look that bad with rg3. Esp against that great steelers defense
@stevenmathews3774
3 жыл бұрын
Wrong these guys have it the other way around. Josh allen has made the guys around him better. Diggs, Brown, and Beasley have all had career years with Allen. To me QB 17 is the reason for this.
@ryandaniels4820
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, Josh Allen made those receivers better. They had career highs with him. And Lamar receivers complaining about him not being able to get them the ball.
@ydwatt8711
3 жыл бұрын
Not true and Hollywood was complaining about the OC not his close friend you idiot lol
@urmomsmom6284
3 жыл бұрын
@@ydwatt8711 ok what about mahomes is he not great cause he has all pro everything lmao y’all are dumb honestly I think people chose this stuff because skin color tbh it’s annoying and I hate the bills I can clearly see Allen is better then Jackson though easily it’s just kids nowadays like flashy plays not the 4 yard Griddy runs behind the pads I see it in my school all the time they just don’t know football
@ydwatt8711
3 жыл бұрын
@@urmomsmom6284 this hurt to read
@shaunramirez3832
3 жыл бұрын
If you think Lamar is a better qb, then you're living in the past. Lamar is a phenomenal athlete. Great player, but Josh is the better qb. You have 1 who continues to progress, and 1 who has regressed. Who do you take?
@thereal1162
3 жыл бұрын
Bruh Mel needs his own show he called out all these excuse making analysis with facts 💯
@rockroad4505
3 жыл бұрын
What facts?
@reginaldinoenchillada3513
3 жыл бұрын
Great to see some passion. Did not realize how much these guys love their jobs. Respect. Edit, ps, they mention Baker Mayfield as much as Josh Rosen. In the words of Michael Jordan, "take that as disrespect and that's what made it personal."
@rjb_wildlife
3 жыл бұрын
It's Josh Allen and it's not close. If Josh Allen isn't the best in the 2018 class because of his offensive weapons then Mahomes isn't the best QB in football because he has the best weapons in the league.
@donovangarrett3506
3 жыл бұрын
Lamar Jackson>Josh Allen
@nickt2222
3 жыл бұрын
Too soon to say josh is the best. Every year since they’ve been drafted you would choose a different one as the best. Everyon would’ve taken Baker in a heartbeat after 2018. After 2019, everyone would’ve taken Lamar. Now, everyone likes Allen. Point is, it’s way too early
@mikeyoung9810
3 жыл бұрын
I liked the fact that they talked about how important teaching a young QB is important. I think it's everything along with protecting them, putting receivers around them etc etc. So many young QB's are thrown to the wolves like so much fodder. None, not even Mahomes, Jackson or HOF's can succeed without help and teaching. I lament all the failed young QB's that never really got a chance for long careers due to injury and failed offenses and failed coaching.
@billsmafia2473
3 жыл бұрын
How many great qbs have there ever been without great receivers, & these receivers were so great that their previous teams decided they didn’t need em
@mohammadmurie
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@brookedepp300
Жыл бұрын
Josh & Lamar were confident, & never let ego get in their way. Just great teammates & thee best 2 outta that class.
@melanietatco30
Жыл бұрын
I hope you are talking about Josh Allen and not Rosen
@brookedepp300
Жыл бұрын
@@melanietatco30 eww. Nope...not Rosen. He's not even playing I don't think.
@melanietatco30
Жыл бұрын
@@brookedepp300 I knew which Josh you were talking about lol! I was just teasing. Rosen is listed on the Vikings practice squad, so he isn’t playing at all!
@dominicfilippo3574
3 жыл бұрын
if the browns drafted Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen they'd destroy their careers. bakers personality fit with the browns the best that's why he was selected above the others.
@charliegriffey7773
3 жыл бұрын
This is the correct answer. The only other qbs in the last 5 years I could have seen working with the Browns are Deshaun Watson and maybe Joe Burrow. No projects.
@erikpuka2627
3 жыл бұрын
They got a stacked roster and a very good coach
@matthewmazzatto8003
3 жыл бұрын
@@charliegriffey7773 Agreed. Those 3 were the only QBs that were truly pro-ready coming out of their drafts. Everyone else had some growing pains.
@James-cp9uh
3 жыл бұрын
@Cassidy Brian I think it would be cool that after all is said and done, all 3 or 4 of these guys end up with HoF or near HoF careers. There is enough potential between Allen, Baker, and Lamar that it could be possible. Might end up being the best QB draft of all time. Only time will tell!
@charliegriffey7773
3 жыл бұрын
@Cassidy Brian also I believe McDermott is the least appreciated coach in the league. Remember how bad the Bill's were a couple years ago? Now they are in Super Bowl contention.
@justincoleman9649
3 жыл бұрын
You can never say Josh Allen was given a better team than Lamar Jackson
@darkknightsds
3 жыл бұрын
Last year's Ravens were better
@terrigunningham1698
3 жыл бұрын
Fr
@anonymoususer5839
3 жыл бұрын
But his receivers are much better
@kameronjones6633
3 жыл бұрын
Idk, adding diggs changed the game
@Zachhwilliamssssss
3 жыл бұрын
If Lamar was put in darnold or rosens situation, would he even be playing by now?
@BrooklynBornTy
3 жыл бұрын
Thats what alot of people don't recognize lamar got drafted to the perfect team, a front office and coaching staff buliding a offense to his skillset, the jets ain't doing that
@justynwilson2915
3 жыл бұрын
@@BrooklynBornTy this is literally the case for every quarterback. Let’s not blame the player for something they have no control over.
@tako4mvp719
3 жыл бұрын
@@BrooklynBornTy did they really build an offense to his skill set? I think he’s being handicapped. They short change how much they spend on offense. He could definitely be in better situations. Give him the bills and brown’s weapons and I don’t know if he’d lose.
@rainman105
3 жыл бұрын
Of course not.
@ravensnation8844
3 жыл бұрын
Would mahomes be in the leauge if he was there
@Junic836
3 жыл бұрын
Mel shaking while RC is talking is so hard to watch 😆😆 hes about to blow!
@saperalixxgobills
3 жыл бұрын
You know what’s crazy. When mahomes has amazing receivers around him everyone argues it doesn’t matter because we will do good with anyone but if Allen got good receivers(not as good as mahomes) everyone says oh it’s because he has great receivers and we don’t know if he could do this with less talented receivers. Especially Dominique who said you can’t say mahomes is good because he has Great receivers. He’s just bias
@lamar3097
3 жыл бұрын
I think people say it doesn’t matter for mahomes because with the same weapons Alex smith wasn’t able to put mahomes type numbers and the chiefs weren’t nearly as good with Alex smith as they are with mahomes
@merkingprobs8912
3 жыл бұрын
@@lamar3097 That's where you're wrong. If you actually check the stats Alex Smith had 26 TD and 5 int through 15 games in his last season with the Chiefs and that was with a Kelce and Hill who were still improving. Last season Mahomes finished with 26 TD and 5 int through 14 games. Exact same stats but Alex Smith had 1 more game played and about a couple hundred more yards. But you are right about the fact that Mahomes elevates the Chiefs to a bigger threat than with Alex Smith.
@CalobAdamsInfamous913
3 жыл бұрын
@@merkingprobs8912 no he’s right because check the year before the Chiefs drafted Mahomes...and That’s Alex’s peak. Half of what Mahomes brings
@saperalixxgobills
3 жыл бұрын
@@lamar3097 exactly Alex smith led them to playoffs 3 times 2015-17 and his final year was really good. Including a 12-4 year in 2016. Mahomes went 12-4 as well twice but I will say mahomes makes his receivers better smith did but it also shows you chiefs are still a good team without him evident to them making the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons before he started
@prestigev6131
3 жыл бұрын
@@CalobAdamsInfamous913 why y’all acting like Alex Smith was a great qb. Dude was the definition of average for basically his whole career. He was barely above that threshold in KC. Put any top 10 qb in KC and you’ll get similar numbers and wins as Mahomes
@MS-ly4oi
3 жыл бұрын
Good segment
@KeepingItReal721
3 жыл бұрын
So after their rookie year many people said Baker was clearly the best, then Lamar won Unanimous MVP in their second season so many people said Lamar was the best by far, now Allen is going off and having an MVP like season so a lot of people are saying Josh Allen is now clearly the best from the draft. I hope Darnold gets away from the jets, fixes his issues as a QB and goes off for a new team next season.
@luistorres7010
3 жыл бұрын
I love the energy on this episode of Getup
@wordplay051
3 жыл бұрын
Baker went to the 4-44 Browns. Thats a lot to handle
@balance667
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine averaging 1.33 wins a season lol!!
@jab69420
3 жыл бұрын
That’s very kind. I’m used to the 1-31 record before baker😂😂atleast we’re good now
@blackmantravel6954
3 жыл бұрын
Bakers team is loaded with so much talent
@jab69420
3 жыл бұрын
@@blackmantravel6954 yea when they aren’t injured
@The-Heart-Will-Testify
3 жыл бұрын
He did not play with 4-44 team lol stop lying most of the players are new..it's cubbs team not baker, they should trade him
@DariusClarkWallace
3 жыл бұрын
Mel snappin 🤣🤣🤣
@hiramcintron1906
3 жыл бұрын
How does Foxworth still have a job at ESPN? Mahomes has better weapons around him than Josh Allen does. How does Mahomes get a pass for having talent around him but Allen is criticized for it? GTFOH man lol
@terrancehall9762
3 жыл бұрын
Literally everyone recognizes Pat is more talented.
@lochnessmonster5149
3 жыл бұрын
@@terrancehall9762 Allen is bigger, faster, and has a better arm than Mahomes. Allen's pre-snap ability is catching up too. I do think Mahomes is currently better, but Allen isn't far behind.
@terrancehall9762
3 жыл бұрын
@@lochnessmonster5149 nonsense. allen has had 1 good season. you bills fans are delusional.
@lochnessmonster5149
3 жыл бұрын
@@terrancehall9762 first of all, I'm not a Bills fan. Second of all, we're talking about how good they are right now. If you can't/won't recognize how much talent and potential Allen has, you might as well stop watching football.
@ixtiangarcia03
3 жыл бұрын
Foxworth shouldn't have a job at ESPN.
@louiemanzella4445
2 жыл бұрын
A year later I can say anybody who takes any of these guys over Josh Allen is huffing paint.
@PD-qu8dq
9 ай бұрын
A year later “A year later I can say anybody…over Josh Allen is huffing paint” 🤦🏾♂️🤣😂🤣🤦🏾♂️😂LJ8(2x MVP)
@tonycannoli4175
3 жыл бұрын
Dominique just makes noises when he gets impatient
@mattsmith3835
3 жыл бұрын
I'm still rollin Baker number 1
@eddydede4275
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@kevindukes8185
3 жыл бұрын
Man baker is trash, he can't carry a team without a good running game
@garrethigdon7678
3 жыл бұрын
nah everyone knows josh rosen is the best qb out of that class
@omieg89
3 жыл бұрын
@@kevindukes8185 Baker better than both Allen and Lamar. Lamar is a fun player but is one leg injury away from being a scrub. Allen is good but may struggle when Daboll leaves him next season.
@davidtesso4844
3 жыл бұрын
Remember these QBs your taking before Baker would've also had 3 coaching changes in 2 years.just sayin
@WopJr
3 жыл бұрын
you don’t know that, maybe they come in and do better and don’t get a coach fired
@natesatt4425
3 жыл бұрын
@@WopJr you don't know that either, can't add more layers of hypotheticals and expect it to be a good point
@saugeenbassin6551
3 жыл бұрын
@@WopJr how? Baker came in and broke the rookie td record, it doesn’t get better then that
@WopJr
3 жыл бұрын
@@saugeenbassin6551 and what did he do the next year?
@WopJr
3 жыл бұрын
@@natesatt4425 then hypotheticals shouldn’t exist.
@kevindavis872
3 жыл бұрын
As a browns fan josh allen was the only other qb i wanted us to draft beside baker
@dionwalker2667
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Mel kiper is the only one that got it right, Josh Allen is the best QB from the 2018 NFL Draft!!! I'm just saying.
@Screamintatatots
3 жыл бұрын
If we are just ranking them, it’d probably be Allen or Lamar, then Baker. But if you take the teams into account, I wouldn’t change a thing. The Browns needed the most NFL-ready QB, as project QBs like Lamar and Allen would really struggle having 4 coaches in 3 years. IMO Baker is the only one in this class who could’ve dealt with Cleveland’s turmoil. Both Allen and Lamar got the coaching stability/systems that fit their style from year 1 onward. Every team got the right guy in the end.
@Dezpanther
3 жыл бұрын
Mel Kiper went stupid 😂😂😂😭
@agreed5063
3 жыл бұрын
All the brothers going with Lamar 😂💪🏾
@mookie5972
3 жыл бұрын
Because he’s honestly the best out of all of them
@gsgsgshsb3793
3 жыл бұрын
@@mookie5972 exactly
@agreed5063
3 жыл бұрын
@@mookie5972 i know but back when they was getting projected for the draft everyone(sports media) had lamar last & thought he should play receiver
@danielventura8118
3 жыл бұрын
t.rippy pancakes except he throws lame ducks everywhere
@jacobbaker4695
3 жыл бұрын
@@mookie5972 no he's not. 🤣
@willbrench924
3 жыл бұрын
The 2018 nfl draft: flashback to when the jets traded quenton nelson and darius leonard for Sam darnold
@guyman9844
3 жыл бұрын
Lamar only had a an MVP year last year because he caught the league by storm. Nowadays he can easily be stopped. Josh Allen on the other hand is dangerous because he can throw AND run if he needs to.
@krishall3989
3 жыл бұрын
White privilege
@lebron9138
3 жыл бұрын
1. Josh Allen 2. Lamar Jackson 3. Barker Mayfield 4. Sam 5. Josh Rosen
@terrancehall9762
3 жыл бұрын
I take Lamar at 1.
@lebron9138
3 жыл бұрын
@@terrancehall9762 your high
@terrancehall9762
3 жыл бұрын
@@lebron9138 nope just using logic. give lamar stefon diggs and the bills oc and see what happens
@lebron9138
3 жыл бұрын
@@terrancehall9762 Josh Allen a better passer Lamar Jackson can't throw
@terrancehall9762
3 жыл бұрын
@@lebron9138 delusional. he has better wrs
@seanbeechey3421
3 жыл бұрын
Josh Allen was still good before Diggs showed up. He got better no doubt, but they'd still went 10-6
@maxjones8641
3 жыл бұрын
Josh allen before diggs was completing 59 percent of his passes
@aoht06
3 жыл бұрын
They showed Allen’s numbers before Diggs on the screen. He was under 60% completion and never had a 300 yard game without him.
@bill2070
3 жыл бұрын
And JA will do almost as well without diggs now. Gab davis a rookie is looking great will Allen
@michaelmckeethenIII24
3 жыл бұрын
Lets see Josh Allen had more rushing TDs more passing TDs more passing yrds than Lamar yet he’s supposed to be the better QB and Lamars got the better O-Line better TEs a better RB one of the FASTEST WRs in the league in Hollywood Brown and a way better Defense he literally was handed a great team Allen made the Bill’s make the way better don’t give meLamars better smh
@DC-Supreme
3 жыл бұрын
Allen > Lamar this year and it’s not really close either. Allen doesn’t have everything he could ever want, they just got him a true number 1 receiver and some other dudes who are aight.
@donovangarrett3506
3 жыл бұрын
Where is Lamars number 1 reciver?
@boost3188
3 жыл бұрын
Allen still has better receivers than Lamar.
@adriangarza6452
3 жыл бұрын
@@boost3188 Well Allen is a better passer than Lamar anyways
@carlosdanese4363
3 жыл бұрын
Allen has way better receivers than Lamar. Lamar doesnt event have a WR2.
@greastestever5549
3 жыл бұрын
@@carlosdanese4363 Mark Andrews a top 5 TE
@HAMMDOG92
3 жыл бұрын
Everybody just needs to sit back and enjoy Josh Allen's career. Nobody will even question this in a couple years from now. He is one of the all around most talented and physically gifted QB's we will ever see, along with being extremely smart, hard working, and coachable. Not to mention his intangibles are off the charts. The guy is built different.
The fact that they all say Lamar Jackson is laughable lol
@beimnetaklilu430
3 жыл бұрын
How please explain
@maskedthecreator1508
3 жыл бұрын
It's not even because he's bad. He just wouldn't have fit in with the browns.
@ezekwu
3 жыл бұрын
MVP...
@bill2070
3 жыл бұрын
They had all better love taysom hill as well. The only difference is one is black.
@kevinsteele7061
3 жыл бұрын
Why is it that everyone points out the weapons and coaching around Josh Allen like that's the reason he's good??? You don't hear that said about Mahomes! Obviously Mahomes is better and has proven to be more successful so far, but the way some people talk about Josh like he isn't that good is so strange to me. I guess he'll have to win a super bowl before he gets any credit from some people.
@myronglenn1816
3 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute; So Allen has to have elite talent...Montana, Elway, Akiman, and Mario guess they had chop liver @ WR...
@vattelvoigt5321
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@syedahmed7130
3 жыл бұрын
They should of judged them based off who made the most improvement from year 1 to 3...Josh Allen wins easily.
@condog209
3 жыл бұрын
Every QB that has won multiple Superbowls had multiple HOF players which makes the this guy's have better talent argument invalid or else Sam Darnold is a top QB
@larrycunningham9171
3 жыл бұрын
Having good players around a qb with accuracy problems isn't the only thing that makes the qb better. The guy has to put in work to fix the problem on his end . Couple those things together and you will see the type of improvement that we're seeing
@JAYDEGARROW
3 жыл бұрын
yeah ill take a throwing qb
@russg9371
3 жыл бұрын
Mel Kipper was spot on about Josh Allen
@marv4180
3 жыл бұрын
Still taking baker
@gameofstones6560
3 жыл бұрын
I’d go Josh Allen, then Baker but those two are very close.
@melanietatco30
Жыл бұрын
1. Lamar 2. Josh Allen( I’m from a nearby town where he grew up in) 3. Sam 4. Baker 5. Rosen
@westhoodqualzini7884
Жыл бұрын
Not one gm in the league would take lamar Jackson over Josh allen. Not even the ravens
@PD-qu8dq
9 ай бұрын
@@westhoodqualzini7884Lies. Plenty would take this Lamar.
@boomgag
3 жыл бұрын
I swear every single time I hear Foxworth make a prediction, the exact opposite happens.
@charlesengert6703
3 жыл бұрын
Dude is useless
@DOWNBAD_Tay
3 жыл бұрын
The last take made me finally agree
@sammymorales6838
3 жыл бұрын
how is this even a question, one of them has been the NFL MVP and is younger and has been the talk of the town....I love how Josh Allen is playing but Lamar has done nothing but balled since he got to the league
@longheldthoughts1258
3 жыл бұрын
Can’t win from behind
@aaronboese9966
3 жыл бұрын
Lamar hasn't done anything this year
@charliegriffey7773
3 жыл бұрын
Or the playoffs.
@jake.porter
3 жыл бұрын
you ever notice how once the team is down and jackson is forced to actually be a quarterback they can't come back. it's because he's not a quarterback. he's a run first option and those types of players while fun for a year or two always fizzle fast.
@sammymorales6838
3 жыл бұрын
@@charliegriffey7773 you got to make the playoff first lol which Allen hasn’t, until this year. How would o rather have someone who has never even been to the playoffs over someone that has gone there lol
@bflobudha2929
3 жыл бұрын
Ask John Brown which QB he'd rather have, and I guess Gabriel Davis is an elite receiver as well!
@christoph1596
3 жыл бұрын
I’d still take Baker number 1, he’s gonna be a great
@juliannoble6
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@juliannoble6
3 жыл бұрын
I’d take Sam Darnold over him
@christoph1596
3 жыл бұрын
@@juliannoble6 ya You’re probably right.. Darnolds been pretty solid, 5 TD’s 9 Interceptions, 0-13 team for the year. Bakers just pathetically has 23 TD’s 8 interceptions and has led the Browns to 9-4 and a playoff berth, But ya, Darnolds definitely better 😂😂😂
@juliannoble6
3 жыл бұрын
@@christoph1596 Narrow minded people smh. Look at the team and organization around them. If they switched teams browns get better and jets somehow get worse
@christoph1596
3 жыл бұрын
@@juliannoble6 Lmao! “Look at the organization around them”.... you mean the Browns!? The team that went 0-16 the year before Baker and 7-8-1 Bakers rookie year? Had a crappy second year but bounced back to 9-4 and a playoff contender? Who’s had 4 head coaches in 3 years and total instability? Baker who broke the TD rookie record? The whole “someone’s only good because of their organization” is a really weak argument.. how about Mahomes? Brady? Only good because of their organizations? And it doesn’t work because 3 months ago the Browns were still a joke in the NFL.. PSA: A Good organization won’t be good unless they have a good quarterback and he’s playing well.. Baker is a leader and he’s leading a real contender, you don’t really have an argument here, you just don’t like Baker.. Darnold is not a leader and after 3 years his team is the laughingstock of the NFL and Darnold in his career is about even in TD - Interception ratio.. he’s done absolutely nothing, you’re living in fairytale land on this one.
@calebdesjardins616
3 жыл бұрын
Allen is developing as the best passer in this class. Allen is not far behind Lamar in rushing and rushing tds but also is better in every single passing category this year. Did you know that Allen has a 100 percent red zone scoring percentage for his career? That’s unbelievable. He also leads this class in the 4th quarter stats and comebacks. I’m not saying Lamar is trash. He’s incredible but I’m surprised that Allen is still looked at this way when he’s having an mvp caliber season. What will it take for him to get respect? Win a Super Bowl? A playoff game? Lamar has not done that eitherZ
@cemarz
3 жыл бұрын
Lol. I'm sure Lamar and Allen would have done wonderfully with Hue Jackson, Gregg Williams and Freddie Kitchens as their HC and OC for the first two years. Ahahahahahahahaha
@terribleatchess
3 жыл бұрын
lmao i agree... but talently Allen hands down was the most complete of them all.
@benfrank879
3 жыл бұрын
Josh’s first year his offensive line wasn’t that good and didn’t become great until this year, but he also keeps plays alive which improves his passing percentage.
@worldtree2027
3 жыл бұрын
1. Lamar (Obviously, won MVP) 2. Josh Allen 3. Baker Mayfield 4. Sam Darnold 5. Josh Rosen
@tracemcsorley6368
3 жыл бұрын
Lamars play style makes him injury prone and incosistent. I’m taking Allen first
@worldtree2027
3 жыл бұрын
@@tracemcsorley6368 Based on advanced stats and film I have to go Jackson. They’re all pretty inconsistent but Lamar is without a shadow of a doubt the most efficient and effective. Hasn’t been 100% due to COVID but his production speaks for itself. Allen is 2 for me as of *now* .
@tracemcsorley6368
3 жыл бұрын
@@worldtree2027 it’s very close it very well could be Lamar
@markdp1983
3 жыл бұрын
I'd take Josh Allen. Lamar Jackson is more dynamic but he'll probably take more hits, and I dont know how sustainable his game will be in the long term.
@KingJaviGoat
3 жыл бұрын
They talk this much about Josh Allen having alot of help but not Mahomes lol the bias
@aaronboone8097
3 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree. I think mahomes has the most talent around him since Peyton’s 2003-2004 colts team with Marvin, Reggie, Clark, And James at RB. However pat is producing at heights only ever touched by the greatest to ever put on a helmet so you just kinda let him slide. Don’t worry the second pat slips up and has even an average season people will jump all over him for having 3 top 20 receivers
@Jake0666
3 жыл бұрын
Josh Rosen so bad they don’t even mention lmao. I still remember when Rosen said “there were 9 mistakes ahead of me”. Now he’s a practice squad qb
@Maxdouble07
2 жыл бұрын
Ain’t no way I’m taking Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen lmao.
@Boringcom-pr4bl
Жыл бұрын
why?
@PD-qu8dq
9 ай бұрын
Lmao, 😅😅
@xpertbandit8009
2 жыл бұрын
They laughed at Mel like he was spitting straight facts.
@onebuffalo5402
3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love how josh allen finally had a good WR core for the first time in his career and hes get dogged bc of it. Meanwhile mahomes has had blue chip #1 WR core/TE core talent his entire career but hes dubbed the greatest thing thats ever touched a football field... lmfao Years 1/2 of allens career his WRs led the NFL in drops and drop%... Now that he has WRs and TE's that actually catch his passes he get 0 credit lmfao
@dereksmaszcz
3 жыл бұрын
Buffalo vs everyone, go Bills 🦬
@BrunoJaws
3 жыл бұрын
Mel Cant Pick a Quarterback Kiper. He said Josh Rosen was a cant miss prospect. But Josh Allen is a dynamic quarterback. Finally he was right.
@zacgrasl4229
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been on the Josh Allen bandwagon since before he was drafted
@tony84.
3 жыл бұрын
1.) Josh Allen. 2.)Josh Allen 3.) Josh Allen. Mel Kiper Jr. YOU WERE RIGHT! With respect, Lamar and Baker are really good QB's too.
@Dixon_Cider407
3 жыл бұрын
Mel has taken so many L’s that he needed to remind you all why he’s the “guru” 😂😂😂
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