Hide glue on raw wood needs a prime coat of the hot glue first to seal the wood. This stops the wood from sucking the joint dry leaving a weak bond. I suspect that's what is defeating your attempts.
@en2oh
Жыл бұрын
great job on this massive project! Congratulations. One trick that is used in fabric camera bellows is to apply the reinforcing tap onto the scored seams in the "folded" position. I think you might find that this is better than cutting the binders tape you used. I really am inspired by your "stick to it-ness"! :)
@maconSTUFF
Жыл бұрын
Great tip!... Thanx
@craiglandrum
4 жыл бұрын
Whenever I've recovered bellows, I find it easiest if I fold the cloth and glued-on ribs in place between the bellow sides so that the sides hold them in place. I then glue one edge at a time. I understand your reasoning for using contact cement so I have no real advice for using that glue. I've used hot hide glue on all my bellows, liberally applied, followed by a hot steam iron run along the glued- down edge - this helps to even out the glue, get rid of voids and bubbles, and results in a nice airtight joint. You can remove old bellows using the same steam iron (buy your wife a new one) run along the edge to remelt the glue, which then allows the old bellows cloth to slide right off. By the way, you don't need an expensive glue pot to use hide glue - put crystals and some water into a jar then place into a pan of water on a hot plate. You are doing an amazing job so far - can't wait to hear it.
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
Thanx a lot Craig... I appreciate getting advice from people who have already been through this. If I ever do something like this again I will most certainly do it differently... LOL Tomorrow I start glueing the cloth in... I wont lie, I'm a little nervous... :-) I'll be truly happy if this thing produces sound when I'm done with it... LOL
@lotsabirds
4 жыл бұрын
You can use denim from jeans for hinges.
@PeteBeardsley
4 жыл бұрын
The tear down and clean was all so ....... easy. The reassembly is proving to be a proper headache. Becoming a real labour of love. It really is a shame that you have to compromise on the materials so much, but I completely understand your predicament when it comes to cost and availability. Whatever, you are still doing an awesome job. Good on your dude.
@TakamiWoodshop
4 жыл бұрын
OMG I missed an episode and now I don't know wtf is happening.
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
Its quite a pain, but there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel... :-)
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
I dont think you missed too much... in the next episode I might be making a "Bonfire".... LOL
@TakamiWoodshop
4 жыл бұрын
@@maconSTUFF hahahaha!
@aroomofmIOwn
4 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally I am in exactly the same spot in repairing a reed organ of my own, and I can confirm that the struggle is indeed real. Here's the thing: you really do have to use hot hide glue, the kind you make yourself from crystals. Absolutely nothing else will work. Modern adhesives *will* adhere whatever kind of cloth you're using to the bellows frame, but it will do so irreversibly, meaning that if you make any mistakes, or the cloth wears out, or the cardboard ribs fail, or the cloth doesn't hold wind, you're fucked. You won't be able to get the cloth off the frame without destroying the wood, which will mean having to rebuild the frame with new wood, which is not going to form airtight seals with the rest of the suction system, which will be made of wood that's been drying out for the past 100 + years. Furthermore, leather will not work as a bellows cloth. The cloth needs to be 100% airtight, which is why actual bellows cloth is made from latex bonded to cotton muslin. Premade bellows cloth is very expensive though, which is why I didn't buy any. Instead, I bought latex sheeting and cotton muslin, then bonded them together with liquid latex. The materials cost me 1/6th of what premade cloth would have (~$600 U.S.), and while the process of adhering them together was a huge pain in the ass, it did result in a bellows cloth which I can attach to the frame with hide glue, meaning that the bond will be 100% reversible whenever the new cloth wears out and needs to be replaced again. As for the cloth you've got, try adhering it to the frame with actual hot hide glue, which is a much stronger adhesive than old brown glue (for about the same price), before you do anything else. If it does not stick, then whatever you do, STOP. Do NOT use any other type of glue. If you do, you will wind up kicking yourself. Better to throw out the cloth and start again than commit yourself to a cloth that might not even hold air, let alone last long enough to justify permanently bonding it to the bellows frame. Hope that helps.
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
Thanx for all the advice... very kind of you. I didn't see your message until it was too late :-) I managed to get everything together though and it seems to be working okay... we'll have to see for how long... Thanx again for taking the time to share your opinions and expertise...
@Ofs104400
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Aroomofmyown. I haven't even looked at my bellows yet. I am afraid. When I do. Can you answer any questions I have? What type of cloth, the glue, making the cardbaord bends, etc? Thanks, Jimmy
@fnersch3367
3 жыл бұрын
Yep.... you have discovered bellows. Welcome to the club. I plan to cleat mine which will be a major challenge but, like you, I like that.
@James_Bowie
2 жыл бұрын
I have used balsa wood for bellows ribbing. Obtained from art & craft stores. Obviously it's not folded, but glued with appropriate size gaps between pieces for the bellows cloth to provide a hinge. For glue on rubber-backed cloth I use water-based contact adhesive. It's just as strong as solvent-based and doesn't attack your lungs.
@mepaulandleo823
4 жыл бұрын
Marvelous 🙏🏻
@grahamwright6928
4 жыл бұрын
You can use photo mounting board for your ribs
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
Wait... let me google that..... aahh, I see... Looks similar to what I've got, but I see you get one with self adhesive backing, that could be nice... Oh well, if this fails I'll have to see if I can get hold of something like that here in Africa... I'm not overly optimistic... LOL
@povertyhill5197
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your abilities and experience with the world! I hope I don't have to do this on our reed organ rehab! LOL
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah man... this was a tough one... but I had no choice... my cloth was rubbish... in hindsight, I probably should have ordered real bellows cloth online... but when you live in Africa, thats not as simple as is sounds... LOL
@povertyhill5197
4 жыл бұрын
@@maconSTUFF I was hoping you would go with the giraffe leather, how awesome, it seems only fitting to have a reed organ that was dragged half way around the world from Chicago to Africa to have been fitted with Giraffe! I'm drooling over your workshop, I'm doing our tear down in the middle of the dinning room among two large dogs, a curious cat and whatever or whoever else strolls through. It's a struggle to keep things organized especially after having to clear the table so everyone can eat!
@lukemurdock2236
4 жыл бұрын
Macon good work wondering if instead of using the binding tape and making the cardboard bend with scoring it could you have instead just cut it and let the two halves acted as the hinge ??? I am about to try this for one that my wife's family had and needs bellows attention.
@lukemurdock2236
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry you answered that at about 19 minutes in !!!!!!
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
LOL... yeah, I should have done it that way from the beginning... :-)
@donaldheimbach7126
Жыл бұрын
Hi I really watched you videos, I would not been able to work on the bellows if I would 'n have. ✌Is it possible to add a pump to it?
@maconSTUFF
Жыл бұрын
Glad you found the videos helpful... I'm sure you could add a pump to it, I've seen it done online...
@Lee_Adamson_OCF
4 жыл бұрын
Do you need to "size" the surfaces you are joining with the old brown glue?
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
Not really sure what you mean by "size the surfaces"?
@Lee_Adamson_OCF
4 жыл бұрын
@@maconSTUFF I have read that with the hot hide glue you are supposed to make up a runnier mixture and paint the wood that is to be glued with it and then let it cure before gluing for real, that's the "sizing". I don't know why they call it that. :P Anyway, the runnier mixture soaks into the pores of the wood better, I guess, and makes the final gluing hold a lot better. If you have an (not sanded down) wood surface where you've removed the hot-glued felt or leather or whatever with hot water without sanding, you don't need to "re-size" the surface before gluing on the new material. Just new wood surfaces that have never been glued before. I have not yet gotten to that point with my organ project, though, so I cannot speak with any first-hand experience.
@TakamiWoodshop
4 жыл бұрын
shit I lol'd about giraffe leather. where I'm from that's about as much a thing as alien cow leather from mars !!
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
LOL... wondered who would catch that one... :-) Congrats, you were the first...
@TakamiWoodshop
4 жыл бұрын
If you were a Kiwi you'd be called a "Kiwi battler" (it's a complement)
@maconSTUFF
4 жыл бұрын
LOL... thanx, I'll take it... this is quite a battle... :-)
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