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@briain12
2 жыл бұрын
This is an example of something been an overcomplicated solution. It works, I might even buy them. But a Schrader valve is still a cheaper solution that works just aswell. There's also no particular reason you couldn't make an 80mm Schrader valve for deep wheels either. It's just a poorer standard presta won over
@svetiksvetik6521
7 ай бұрын
Tell me, please, which spokes (multicolored) are shown in this video?
@OriginalGabriel
2 жыл бұрын
At that price point, they really need to include replacement o-rings, and caps.
@WIPEYOURLENZ
2 жыл бұрын
Or include the rest of the bike 😂🤣😂🤣
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
They come with a lifetime warranty and can contact them about lost caps. What more do you want?
@26realmc
2 жыл бұрын
@RollinRat any other high flow valves out there at a cheaper price point?
@idlerfang
2 жыл бұрын
Also you will need to remove the tires to access the o-ring. On Presta valves you just remove the old core and replace it with a new one, which costs much less than $1 and can be done in literally seconds.
@elitebicycleracers
Жыл бұрын
You can purchase a bag of o-rings like this for pennies per o-ring.
@GerardCantor
2 жыл бұрын
I've always found the Presta to be problematic. As you say, the tip bends easy and it's not great in tubeless set-up (i.e. they get clogged easy). If the Fillmore changes all that, and offers more airflow in and out, then I think it's a game changer. New tech is always pricy. Hopefully with time, and more units made the price goes down. GREAT review, thank you.
@kalso69
Жыл бұрын
@rollinrat4850 this is OK if you're addressing the airflow ONLY. but this suggestion is irrelevant to the advantage of going tubeless.
@kalso69
Жыл бұрын
@rollinrat4850 your initial suggestion was “go get tubes” so I thought it was not a tubeless setup. Now your last reply makes more sense. This will work for sure. 👍
@adriano8729
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. I am going to buy a pair of them as my current presta valves are a nightmare for getting jammed with sealant! Thank you
@sixate
2 жыл бұрын
Love to try them, but zero chance I'm paying $50 for valves. That o-ring will fail at some point, leaving you stranded if no replacement o-ring is on you. That's a huge downside along with a huge (for what they are) pricetag.
@chrthiel
2 жыл бұрын
For what it's worth there's no way that's not a standard size o-ring do you can get a bag of 20 for a few dollars at your local spare parts suppliers
@cup_and_cone
2 жыл бұрын
@@chrthiel Pretty sure OP means fail at the most inopportune time (while out riding or away from home)....in which case you are sticking a tube in the tire.
@OlliesClips
2 жыл бұрын
But....we all carry spare presta cores already, don't we? Just carry some o'rings in your puncture repair kit. Seems easy enough.
@26realmc
2 жыл бұрын
@RollinRat I agree its super expensive but I'm at the stage where I'll pay that for less frustration and effort.
@26realmc
2 жыл бұрын
@RollinRat what does that involve?
@MTB_Rider_96
2 жыл бұрын
It's about time someone redesigned the Presta valve! But yes, $50 is a lot to pay for a valve. I will be buying for all my bikes though.
@ericpower146
Жыл бұрын
Installed these a while ago, love them, worth the $, but I am a shop owner so the cost was less. Even at $50, I'd still recommend them. Great review by the way.
@johnstarky
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for validating our love/HATE relationship with current presta valve setups!!!
@joshuadoss1955
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the video. The quick history of presta was cool
@garethrobinson2275
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of bitching about the price but this is a function of the development costs and relatively low volume manufacturing. I agree that there are cheaper options, especially converting to Schrader valves but it's nice to have one size fits all pump setup out on the trail. The problems with Presta are more of a trail issue than a shop one. In the shop you have high pressure and removing a fiddly valve core is no issue. On the trails I've experienced the kind of problems outlined in the video. To me this seems like a superior design and wider adoption would bring economies of scale which is where the price problem falls away. I love great engineering so I might give them a go on one of my bikes and go from there.
@rneillmojo
2 жыл бұрын
Ok Neil you got me to purchase my first pair- the main thing I fuss with is seating beads at home on new tires. I have a topeak floor pump with that compressed air side chamber but it’s about 70% successful on average. If you’re right about these then I will carry extra o rings and a cap for multi day or extended riding - see you on the Mesa
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
I bet you will be at least 95% successful with these, enjoy!
@singletrackmania1
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! but I'll wait until the price comes down ... A LOT
@playmoreguitar5393
2 жыл бұрын
You will be in your grave and then another 1000 years will pass and this industry will still be ripping the planet a new one.
@123moof
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, seems like carrying a spare core covers 99% of the issues. At a buck or so each I just can't see spending $50 a pop. If they catch on I am sure there will be knock offs in the $10-20 range before long.
@heyg7819
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Are they made in the USA? For that kind of premium it better be.
@benjaminhall4316
2 жыл бұрын
@@heyg7819 Made in Taiwan.
@liquidwombat
2 жыл бұрын
@@123moof Using Schrader valves solves 99% of these issues
@slowwerthensnot
2 жыл бұрын
I may have to give these a go
@cup_and_cone
2 жыл бұрын
Now that rims are getting wider, it would be nice if the industry switched to schrader valves...
@LandonArkens
2 жыл бұрын
I drill out my rims and use Schrader tubeless valve stems. A pair on Amazon costs $10.
@The_Ultravisitor
2 жыл бұрын
if you don't dare drill your rim, you can remove the valve core and put a presta to schrader adaptor on. cheap as chips.
@LandonArkens
2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Ultravisitor I didn’t realize there are actual converters, not adapters. very cool. Thanks for the tip!
@cup_and_cone
2 жыл бұрын
@RollinRat I remember split tubes... I used to use 20" BMX tubes on 26" rims, then trim the overhang after inflated. Easiest hack to get reliable tubeless back in the day with Stan's.
@owenanstey436
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree with you about the frustrations of the presta valve and can see the advantages with the Fillmore system. It would be nice to see the price a bit closer though, regards o
@driventomadness117
2 жыл бұрын
Presta valves cost $10 for a pair. They have replaceable cores and are essentially indestructible as long as you don't ham fist them. And if you do, just change out the core. These reserve valves seem cool but i wouldn't pay an extra $35 for them.
@ridetools69
2 жыл бұрын
Nice idea, I have had my bike for a couple years and put 6,500 miles on it and am just now changing my Presta valves. If the price comes down I will for sure try them.
@hobmarg
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed review. After yet another incident of my co2 adapter AND hand pump (I carry both) unthreading my cheap generic valve cores resulting in an unseated tire I am going to bite the bullet and pay $50CAD for two valves. It seems completely insane, but I am done with the damn things, especially with limited time to ride (mountain bike) and the last incident wasting a good 30 min by the time I got a tube in and inflated. Santa Cruz/Reserve has proven they will stand behind products as well.
@ruffrydazz2032
2 жыл бұрын
Long overdue! I'm surprised it took this long for someone to come up with a better valve for tubeless!
@ruffrydazz2032
2 жыл бұрын
@RollinRat iTs CallEd A sChrAdEr VaLve! Cool. I had no idea. Guess I’ll just go buy a pack of schrader stems genius.
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
Long overdue indeed. Also, I’d like to add that the Schrader has a micro core just like the Presta. So, lower flow than the Fillmore and still clogs because there there’s nothing to seal of the valve stem inside the tire
@pspensieri
2 жыл бұрын
Top quality. The video and the valve.
@TrekSLDuraAce
2 жыл бұрын
Lately the trend for wider tires has also led to wider rims. Therefore, we no longer have the need for small diameter Presta valve. I'd like to see Reserve (or a competitor) make a similar design but with the diameter of a Schrader valve. Wide tires on wide wheels needs a bigger valve, yes? Reserve should take a lesson from Henry Ford. He lowered the price of his cars, and sales went through the roof! You can make more money by lowing the price and increasing the volume of sales. Just a thought.
@DosJof5118
2 жыл бұрын
It costs a lot to manufacture itty bitty parts like that, but worth every penny or in this case dollar. I am using the Fillmore valve on all of my tubeless setups and simply love them. Remember if you introduce your children to the sport of cycling they will never have enough money for drugs.
@selder03
2 жыл бұрын
$49 for valves? You got to be kidding me! The mtb and bike biz is getting outta hand
@stevepark6363
2 жыл бұрын
smart design. I like that it is serviceable.
@fukawitribe
2 жыл бұрын
The price point is a hurdle, but there's a lot in there to really like, and the last set of tubeless valves I got (MucOff) were nearly $30 anyway - tempted. .. That said, as it looks they're only shipping to the US and Canada at the moment, it might be a while before I get the chance in the UK....
@The2808erik
2 жыл бұрын
Chris king valves are cheaper and they have a valve core remover integrated.
@fukawitribe
2 жыл бұрын
@@The2808erik Yep they're lovely too - there wasn't much in it when I got the MucOffs, but they were in stock and also have a valve core remover in one of the caps (not both like the CK ones).
@arcoulant87
2 жыл бұрын
And when they ship then to the UK they would be £50 ! its always $ to £
@The2808erik
2 жыл бұрын
@@arcoulant87 They are 45€ here
@arcoulant87
2 жыл бұрын
@@The2808erik way to much, give it a few years
@swnorcraft7971
2 жыл бұрын
I am relatively new to the tubeless game, having deployed it on two of my bicycles just this year. No problems with the tubeless valves yet. The Fillmore valve looks to be a promising upgrade. If I knew it was the last valve I would need for a given rim, I might be inclined to cough up the dough. I would expect a spare cap for each and a half dozen o-rings for each in the package for the price they are asking. For me, at this point, the jury is out. It is inevitable that there will be knockoffs at some future point, just like with everything else. Knockoffs can be just as good, or better than the original. What I am presently doing works.......for now. Thanks for sharing.
@GunnarSoroos
2 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons I like bikes is that they are pretty simple. The presta valve is an extension of that simplicity. It works, and I haven't had the issues mentioned. I've tried tubeless on both my mountain and road bike and never had a clogged valve. For this reason - I can't see spending 3-4x the cost for an overly complicated system. I might consider it if/when the price comes down. Then again, I'd have to really be fed up with the presta valve or have one break on my to replace it with this.
@DaveCM
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. I've been riding bike with presta valves for over 32 years. Been running tubeless for 4 years. Never been an issue.
@rustler08
2 жыл бұрын
I don't always try to replace a design, but when I do I make sure to make it ultra-complicated with unique, impossible-to-find parts. $10 says these were designed by a former BMW engineer. From the tiny pin, to the unique stem with a very strippable allen head, to the end piece that's going to eventually seize on there and make service impossible, what a joy. Oh, and don't forget that you get the pleasure of pulling off your tire if you need to work on it. Presta isn't great, but having an easy-to-replace core is the way to go. KISS, designers.
@petersilie2432
2 жыл бұрын
Good balanced review - thanks!
@danielbum912
2 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute, I fill the sealant through the actual valve mechanism right around the seals? Sounds even more clog-prone than the standard procedure of removing the presta core and filling it in..
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, directly in the valve or you could always just pour into your tire. it's not more prone to clogging because there is much more space than the Presta valve core, MUCH MORE!
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
Also airing up you tires after adding sealant would clear out any extra sealant.
@chrislonsberry1974
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! I’m definitely going to try these out! I don’t care if they’re $50.
@Testastrettaevo
2 жыл бұрын
I hate prestas. I switched all my bikes to the Ride-Air presta to schrader converters. If you have removable presta cores It works flawlessly and is around $15 for a pair.
@briain12
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks didn't know these existed. I'll buy a set for my commuter
@pigeonpoo1823
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this.
@MotoBennyPNW
2 жыл бұрын
stopped watching as soon as you mentioned the price and said "oh F*** off" out loud. Its really too bad these come with a Santa Cruz price tag... Great video as always!
@Alex-ig7li
2 жыл бұрын
When you need to fill more air into the tire? You have to remove the cap - but the air stays inside the tire ? Because of the pressure in the tire?
@fotografamos4083
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say so. The pressure in the tire will push the core of the valve outwards, thus closing it.
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Correct, so essentially you could ride without the cap.
@Dr.Schlitz
2 жыл бұрын
Same as presta - air pressure holds the valve closed
@runrunrun51
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dr.Schlitz true. You just screw the knob to close the system but it doesn't leak open👍
@jamiecox2506
2 жыл бұрын
I've always found the Presta valve to be perfect. I convert a thousand customers bicycles to tubeless and always use Stan's. Never had an issue. Not once.
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
When I worked in Minneapolis, we had a bunch that came into our shop corroded from the salt. On top of my struggles with with them always clogging from regular Stans, I can’t say we are having the same experience, so what’s your trick?
@willyk882
2 жыл бұрын
You've never had a valve stick and instead of loosening the top the entire core goes shooting into the woods or across your shop? Lucky
@runrunrun51
2 жыл бұрын
When new no problem for sure! Problems comes with time and several set up using the same valve.
@SantaEnis
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, never had a problem myself. I give them a good clean when changing tires. I never put the milk through the valvecore itself, I throw it straight into the tire. That way I don't have milk directly in the core, maybe that does the trick?
@p8ddy
2 жыл бұрын
I agree - as a bike shop tech and a rider I've never had a problem. I've always used Muc Off valves and sealant, maybe that's the difference? It's an awesome sealant. Otherwise I've been experimenting with ghetto schraeder set ups with a great deal of success. My future lies in that direction I think. I love the simplicity and universality of Schraeder. That and the fact its the same set up as my dirt bikes makes them a kind of no brainer.
@ilja2947
2 жыл бұрын
Running 50mm rims right now, planing to upgrade to 65mm. If there was a longer version of these, I'd give them a try.
@jonathansanchez1305
2 жыл бұрын
Presta can hold more air since the valve is kept closed by the nut on the valve.. if we put those on our air shocks we would see less air loss which happens on the return stroke for the main chamber or on the compression stroke for the negative chamber if the piston moves faster than what the valve spring can hold back. The real question is why aren't presta valves used on shocks (or perhaps why schraders aren't used on mountain bikes if what you said about them were true)... And I'm sure the answer would be because schrader valves have been around for a century or more and more readily available and mass produced...
@markmoreno7295
2 жыл бұрын
I like the retro packaging. I still needed a beefy source of air to seat my MTB Venture 700 X 50mm tires using these Fillmore valves. Adding more sealant, after my sidewalls seeped, was no problem. I think these valves are good, but as noted in other comments, hopefully the heafty price will come down once knockoffs hit the market. As indicated on the package, the valves are made in Taiwan, so if China does anything naughty to Taiwan in the short term, availability could go down.
@ADVRaiderKTM
2 жыл бұрын
Besides the improved airflow, it doesn't seem like a more reliable design, especially for the cost. I've had the same presta valves on tubeless setup for over two years now, absolutely no issues.
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Increased airflow is the main reason behind the design, for what it's worth.
@systolic410
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, hadn't heard about these. Will dig into it a bit.
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
They just launched 20 minutes ago.
@N6J6R6
Ай бұрын
So you still use the Presta air chuck to pump up your tires with these? Also, how do I know what MM length to get?
@jonsiberia393
2 жыл бұрын
Can I pump em up with a screw on type pump hose end or does it have to be clamp on?
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
They work with thread-on pumps too
@grandpashreddypants
2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to try them!
@andreacastellani7827
Жыл бұрын
I bought a couple of Filmore valves, they are great.The only big issue I had is when using an insert mousse in the tire
@iancanuckistan2244
2 жыл бұрын
Is this the Fillmore East or the Fillmore West?
@jonpoon3896
2 жыл бұрын
The price might be worth it. You say 4 presta valves for 2 Fillmore valves. Well, if you bend, clog, or mess them up in other ways, you’re gonna end up buying more anyways. “Buy cheap, buy twice”
@stefis6
2 жыл бұрын
One problem with tubeless valves may be that they are secured on the rim only by friction fit inside the rim, and knurled nut on the outside of the rim. Even when finger tight, after time with sealant, the knurled nut might be too tight on the valve to remove the whole valve (not talking about the core) - which results in the valve simply rotating in the rim hole, rather than the nut loosening on the valve stem, when turned anticlockwise. You might have to do this out in the field to fit an inner tube. With Presta valves, at least they have a flattened section on the core, which allows use of a core removal tool to stabilise the valve when rotating the knurled nut. These new valves, while looking good, don't have that facility.
@atelierrouelibre6522
2 жыл бұрын
But you don't need to turn the knurled nut with a Fillmore valve. There are not any. To inflate, simply open the cap completely and plug in your pump. To play with the pressure, just open the cap a little and push it in. To deflate completely, open the cap and push down on the rod. No knurled nut. This is what looks great with these valves. I want to try ;-)
@stefis6
2 жыл бұрын
@@atelierrouelibre6522 there is a nut - it is the one on the inner aspect of the rim, holding the valve tube snugly on the rim. I see it in the picture!
@atelierrouelibre6522
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but with the fillmore, i don't see why the valve will rotate in the rim hole... You don't need to loosen something, if I understand well. Just the cap, and you don't need force for that. For me the problem with presta on tubeless, it's that when I want to play with the pressure, it so hard to open the little nut glued by sealant. If I insist, the core turn before I can open the nut valve. I need to take a core tool to hold the core while I loosen the nut of the stem. It's really boring. (Sorry for my strange english, I'm french)
@Whyusadd
6 ай бұрын
These are great, pumping up tyres is easier. Tubless syringe doesn’t require the valve core to be removed… great product… and yes worth the money!
@Acill
2 жыл бұрын
$50 for a pair? WOW! I am not surprised after hearing these were made by an offshoot of Santa Cruz though. They do know if they sold these for less, more would buy and they would take over right?
@dperreno
13 күн бұрын
Looks like a great update, but they need to cut the price in half and people would be lining up to use them.
@a8f235
Жыл бұрын
If you care about tire pressure, why would you change it without checking it after with a tire gauge? Personally I am looking for new valves after my useless Milkit bs valves clogged after one single day, and I poured the sealant directly into the tire as well as having the valve pointing up the first night to prevent sealant laying directly on it. That's why I need something else, but I still try to figure out how anyone check tire pressures with the Fillmore valves?
@gammelgemse
2 жыл бұрын
How does it have 3 times the airflow when the diameter is still the same?
@gatopirao
2 жыл бұрын
They're probably comparing with the valve core on. But you would remove the core to bed your tyre in, at least for your first setup, hence pointless comparison. Presta without the core will have exactly the same airflow as fillmore. Marketing guys trying to fool ignorants again and try to justify their 50$ price
@postridebeers
2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE bicycle innovation, even for one of the smallest parts on a bike. Seems like a solid upgrade in convenience, but $50 is pretty dang steep!
@adrianc6534
2 жыл бұрын
innovation is great when it actually adds value to the typical user, like this. however, bullshit like adding integrated cockpits to bikes that add almost no tangible benefit to the average rider other than being more 'aesthetic' are not.
@MyopicAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
After my last very frustrating tubeless session, I'm sold on trying these. Question -- Do you just dump the sealant right into the valve?
@andrewscasualmtb
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/sJ2utZedcnWjaaA Go to about the 3 and half minute mark.
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
yes
@elder_nomad
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a pair of these Fillmore Valves only to find that my Stans injector tube is too wide and won't fit snugly over it. What did you use? It looks like you used the classic Stans injector tube with the black fitting on the end. Did you modify it?
@lexusstefan927
Жыл бұрын
3 years on tubeless now never had issues with clogging, using Stans valves and sealant. Swapped valve cores once too, however my bike is practically in daily use so no time for sealant to clog on me
@vcnzone
8 ай бұрын
Great, but what about compatibility with CO2 adaptors and inflate/repair kits ? Do they work with these valve ? Anyway a good alternative is the PMP valve. Been using them for couple of years now and they also work well
@zap...
Жыл бұрын
Can I still use my sweet lezyne bike pumps with the tread on chuck with these valves?
@JamesLG4
2 жыл бұрын
That little machined ridge on the rim side of the valve stem nut concerns me. Does the nut stay tight without any sort of o-ring in there? I have two different brands of tubeless valves that both have an o-ring between the nut and the rim.
@The2808erik
2 жыл бұрын
They are almost twice the price of premium presta tubeless valves, but the longevity seems to be there. I'm curious how long it takes to get the o ring to fail.
@briain12
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's a problem measure the hole and buy a 100 spare o rings for about $2 and bring a spare
@The2808erik
2 жыл бұрын
@@briain12 Yeah I know, I'm just curious how likely it would be, that some sort of damage occurs during a ride. So more on the lines of, what will make the seal and o ring fail.
@briain12
2 жыл бұрын
@@The2808erik I think damage would be unlikely it's only moving while air is passing through the valve. If your valve hits something like a rock it's really gonna be the least of your worries
@The2808erik
2 жыл бұрын
@@briain12 Yeah I guess you are right, A quality o ring should last multiple seasons.
@isaacbrooks5999
2 жыл бұрын
Their website says that they have a Lifetime Guarantee. Maybe they'll send you a new one if something breaks? They also have free shipping in the US
@randallgd
2 жыл бұрын
Why not just use a schrader tubeless valve? Like Stans Mountain Tubeless Schrader Valve Stem only $18 a set
@lechprotean
2 жыл бұрын
not my forte, but do schrader also have removable core to put the sealant in?
@randallgd
2 жыл бұрын
@@lechprotean They sure do and can get new cores (if you ever need them) at any tire store for less than buck
@jrbechthold
2 жыл бұрын
You get a chance to try them with any inserts like CushCore ? I wonder how that extension in the insert will work… 🤔
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a link to a video of the Italians setting them up with inserts. Gotta love the Italians! kzitem.info/news/bejne/km-AuJedipRldGk
@Prosecute-fauci
6 ай бұрын
I’m just sitting here wondering how you are supposed to check sealant level with this valve installed
@DaviCupra
2 жыл бұрын
Can i use my "bling" KCNA red anodized presta cap on these Reserve tubeless valves? Or the valve caps are specific for them?
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
They would work on the valve body threads but you wouldn’t be able to use the precision air release (which is a really cool feature). You could always have the caps anodized or wait until Reserve potentially comes out with color
@DaviCupra
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jocool0785 ok i understand, thanks for the help!
@locoshaggy
Жыл бұрын
There is nothing better than presta! clogging of the valve can be removed by putting a little solid vaseline inside the ovule of the valve that opens and closes. This prevents the sealant from sticking. Even to clean it, you can file the riveted top of the mini presta nut and disassemble it into 3 parts, clean it with thinner and apply Vaseline and you will never have a problem of it clogging again. The presta valve has no competition doing this, it has good flow, it does not clog and the tip is removable to add sealant.
@EFLO3D
2 жыл бұрын
I just use bolt in Schrader valves. Anywhere i go theres some kinda air filling device that uses a schrader. Presta valves are junk.
@nemeanf27
2 жыл бұрын
Shame that these are only for up to 28mm depth rims. I'd get these if there were a longer road version.
@chrisdinsmore1665
Жыл бұрын
According to their website they make three sizes. The largest is 90mm and fits rims 48mm to 68mm deep.
@ericpmoss
2 жыл бұрын
Given that super narrow rims were a goofy idea even for road bikes, should Presta just go away?
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
It's surprising but with the internal core spring, Shrader valves (even with 8mm diameter) actually have less flow than the Presta. By reconfiguring the valve internals, the Fillmore is able to achieve 3X the flow of the Presta
@jp93309
2 жыл бұрын
Cannot figure out how to get the sealant syringe injector into the smaller space that the tube has to share with the unremovable valve pin. The current syringe system works fine with presta refills. UPDATE: Had to get the sealant injector tube (Stans brand) that covers the whole valve vs the one I had which inserts into the valve hole. Little messy for the first wheel but figured it out on the second wheel.
@noelwelch1666
2 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos and your advice. Presta sucks indeed. Make my own schrader tubeless valves and have had no issues. This seems like a step forward but...eh
@p8ddy
2 жыл бұрын
It's not as far a step forward as your solution - Schraeder valves are the real tried and tested solution. The problem with them being that there isn't an absurd level of profit in them for bike companies. Bike co's haven't spend the last 10 years developing non compatible niche 'standards' for commies like you to come along and ruin the party. ;) Now, get the credit card out and order some, the CEO of Santa Cruz isn't getting a new private jet with Schraeder valves!
@elitebicycleracers
Жыл бұрын
I have these on two wheelsets and so far they seem great. I have not owned them long enough to know/experience any downsides. However, you seemed to have discovered a downside that you sort of gloss over regarding sealant clogging the poppet, "but it's super easy to clean, all you need is a 2.5 mm Allen wrench and some sort of pliers so you can disassemble it and clean out the whole system..." this process sounds more complicated/annoying than replacing a valve core in a conventional Presta.
@ShadLife
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone wants to know more about how to inject sealant through the valve. After my review, that was the common question. I saw you do it quickly in this video but I didn't know what tool you were using and how it works with the valve. To thread on syringe injector I have doesn't work with the Fillmore valve.
@pedalingnowhere
2 жыл бұрын
I want these on all bikes.
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Yep! That would be nice.
@p8ddy
2 жыл бұрын
It strikes me a solution to something that really isn't that big of a problem - and there's already a better and much cheaper solution - the Schraeder valve. Fillmore valves - helping push top end bikes further into mortgage level pricing. It's dumb that a pedal bike costs more than motocrosser, and the incredible number of non standard 'solutions' simply locks out smaller manufacturers like Hope and locks in less value and more profit for the big guys. In the early 2000's I was able to run the same full sus bike with similar spec as DH world champion contenders, and the price wasn't astronomical... Now, a similar spec bike costs more than a 'crosser and more than some new cars - and the tech hasn't improved that much, unless you count creaking bottom brackets, carbon frames that can be written off by a stone chip and weaker wheels as improvements...
@ricardoaberger8426
Жыл бұрын
what type of air valves on tires?
@gregsullivan7408
2 жыл бұрын
Let me get this straight - to clean the valve, the TYRE has to be removed first, to then allow the valve to be removed from the rim???
@michalwiktorow2188
2 жыл бұрын
I am less concerned over the price, more of the reliability. This is to improve not only seating the tubeless tyre, but also - in general - work better that 'easily bendable' presta valve-cores. Better core, better material used - I would accept that - IF that would actually work and be reliable. If there is already an issue or at the very least concern, regarding o-ring - then this is not what I am looking for.
@Colleenann61
2 жыл бұрын
But, what if you need to add sealant trailside with, say, a 2oz bottle of Stan’s? Seems like it would be tricky.
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Great point. You need to cut the top of the 2oz bottle a little bit to get it over the rod. Not the end of the world but certainly makes things more challenging. I bet we see something to combat this as more folks use the valve.
@pedalingnowhere
2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes. I didn't think about that either, but I usually carry an orange seal bottle with the hose adapter, anyhow. The Stan's bottles would be tricky, if not impossible. I'm also assuming someone will offer up a solution soon...
@isaacbrooks5999
2 жыл бұрын
Orange Seal usually comes with a little hose. Or, if you have a tire tool, you could just pop the bead, and pour the sealant directly into the tire.
@lechprotean
2 жыл бұрын
@@isaacbrooks5999 dunno, popping the tyre on the side of the road, just because you want ot use the new valve, does not sound like an improvmeent.
@isaacbrooks5999
2 жыл бұрын
@@lechprotean I totally agree. That was more of a last- ditch solution if you don't have the Orange Seal hose.
@philipmay3875
2 жыл бұрын
I like using tubolite inserts. Any reason these guys wouldn't work with that?
@o2bsam
2 жыл бұрын
sealant is a pita, I have no problem running tubes without it. in this case I've had no problems with my presta valves.
@manargias
Жыл бұрын
Mucc-off sealant clogs them. Used Stan's injector to put Stan's sealant repeatedly for months and worked flawlessly every time. Then I switched to Mucc-off sealant with different tires and after injecting it through the valve with Stan's injector the valves immediately clogged! Don't inject Mucc-off sealant through them, you'll throw away 50$.
@tonyoswald3013
2 жыл бұрын
Do they work with tire/tyre inserts? Will the insert engage the "popseal" and, if not, does the extra volume make up for only one air channel - with dedicated insert valve having more channels?
@pedalingnowhere
2 жыл бұрын
We didn't test them with inserts, but I can't see why it would be a problem. The poppet is opened when a pump chuck is attached, so I don't think a foam insert would hold it back. And I also don't think there's any way it could engage the poppet, either.
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a link to a video of the Italians setting them up with inserts. Gotta love the Italians! kzitem.info/news/bejne/km-AuJedipRldGk
@tonyoswald3013
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jocool0785 Hi watched all the way through - I don't speak Italian but they just talked about the insets and didn't use them, just showed setting up an elite wheel tubeless - thanks for the thought tho'.
@schalli09
2 жыл бұрын
Does sealant get in the valves when using a gauge to set the right pressure? Nice video guys! :)
@ruffrydazz2032
2 жыл бұрын
As long as you have the valve up at the 12o'clock position or so, it shouldn't be an issue, same as with presta.
@schalli09
2 жыл бұрын
@@ruffrydazz2032 sure, makes sense :) thanks!
@nimbuscycles2354
2 жыл бұрын
Need these for deeepperrrrr wheels!!!
@woduk
2 жыл бұрын
Will these fit any wheels?
@OniMetsuki
2 жыл бұрын
Nice, but not at that price. Taking out the traditional core is not such a hassle + this cannot be done on this new valve if you need to without removing your tyre....
@fontpartners1695
2 жыл бұрын
How do you fill sealant through the valve? Previous I have used MilkIt system ...
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
Sealant will flow right through the Fillmore. No need to remove the core
@tomg.542
2 жыл бұрын
This seems like a great product. The presta always seemed like the ridiculously fragile part of The Bike. As far as price, seems proportional to the idea that a set of wheels could / should cost as much as my entire bike.
@NDURcycling
2 жыл бұрын
Can you use a pressure gauge as normal?
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@JonLIsALoser
Жыл бұрын
Love my Fillmore valve but it’s a pain in the ass to add sealant when running inserts
@runrunrun51
2 жыл бұрын
How about the use of pressure gauge? Does it work the same for presta valve?
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, my digital gauge works just the same. Same with my analog gauges on my pumps. Essentially the tire pressure holds the seal of the valve, similar to presta, so it acts the same for gauges.
@he1z
2 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice if the cap featured a string or something to attach it to the valve. I know im going to go crazy searching for the valve cap in a field of grass eventually.
@DeanPattrick
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I would change in a heart beat, but prices needs to come down plus spare O ring and caps need to be included. Current presta value are not good, but they are so cheap and as have so many, they are a disposable component: if one gets clogged throw it away and put another in, simple.
@patrolstache
2 жыл бұрын
Do people really still try to put sealant through their presta valves? Just unseat a small section of the tire and pour it in. Never had a single problem and have done it tons of times.
@iancho9587
2 жыл бұрын
1 step closer to the correct Schrader valve, or 2 away with price tag for Moon landing...Now shrdrill some rims to e better shred
@hardmtnbiker
2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree that presta valves are frustrating and outdated. This Fillmore value is definitely better engineered but at a cost. Do the plan on selling the O ring,caps and other small parts? I also wonder how they pair with tire inserts like CushCore or will CC come up with their own improved value. The thing about presta is they are cheap and parts are universal. I carry an extra and an cut spoke if I need to unclog my valve. I’ll probably buy and try the Filmore valve but I don’t really want to use on all my wheels, it’s an unnecessarily expensive at that point.
@bbobcats1
2 жыл бұрын
am i missing something? if the valve core doesn't get removed, how does one inject sealant?
@cameronmelendrez8706
2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the pressure of putting in the sealant drops the "valve" to allow sealant to go in? Seems like a good way to clog the whole valve stem. but $50????
@BIKEPACKINGcom
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if there is no air in the tire, it just goes right in, with of course, gravity!
@tommyrq180
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe this wasn’t explained clearly. I believe you inject sealant directly with the cap removed and valve in full open position. Some sealant will remain in the valve body BUT (this is key) will be blown into the tire when you inflate. I could be wrong though!
@pgreenx
2 жыл бұрын
Im a guitar player but love the drum intro; you guys need to make it longer or maybe just a drum video (with some bike stuff in it.....)
@lmendz7162
2 жыл бұрын
FYI I tried this product on Enve M735 wheel, it was too short and didn't fit. this is rated 18-28mm rim depth and envy M7 models is already at 27mm plus the rim strip.
@Jocool0785
2 жыл бұрын
Little trick that I've used in the past if a valve was only a few millimeters short was to take a razor blade and trim whatever I need off the bottom part of the rubber valve stem seal. As long as the diameter is large enough to still plug the rim hole, you should be good. I found it easiest to roll the razor blade around the seal radially while it was still on the valve and then make an axial slit to disconnect the part being trimmed off. After, slide the remaining portion down. Depending on your rim hole size you could easily gain 2-3mm in thread length. Another method that might work is to swap out the seal for an O-ring. Anyways, hope this helps. Good luck!
@Jesse-bb4qj
2 жыл бұрын
6:43 At 49.99 and only having 1 bike with tubeless I would go for it as all the examples listed in the beginning have happened to me. Buy 2 and I'll have 2 spares 😃🤔
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