Caller Andrew contends that theism is more credible than atheism because religious people tend to have higher fertility rates. He argues this makes theism more evolutionarily successful. The hosts push back, noting that fertility rates don't correlate with the truthfulness of religious claims. They discuss how religiosity does not necessarily lead to societal progress or respect for human rights, highlighting examples of secular societies doing better on various metrics. Though some contentious moments, the discussion remains civil as hosts urge Andrew to reconsider his views based on the counterevidence presented.
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