I worked on a bunch of Shuttle PCs like this in the mid-2000s. The company I worked for sold kiosks that were powered by these machines. It made it really quick to swap the machine out at the customer site rather than pulling parts out trying to troubleshoot a fault in the middle of the customer's foyer. They still used Windows 98 because they used the same key on every machine and XP would have required activation. Originally they would build each machine from scratch, but I started using disk imaging to build them instead, which dropped the build time from around 3 hours to about an hour. I ended up quitting because reasons, basically I really hated the job. The boss asked me to document the imaging process before I left but I just told him it's really easy, you basically just follow the prompts. I missed out a few key steps afterwards that needed to be done in the right order or the machine would just blue screen and require reimaging.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Cool! Thanks for sharing. Love hearing these personal stories 😊
@AudioCraZ
Жыл бұрын
There were a few of the Shuttle cases where the Mobo tray slid out of the back of the case. Hands down some of the easiest and fun builds to make. I remember building quite a few over the years I worked at PC Club.
@cluberti
Жыл бұрын
Worked for a small startup around this time and we needed lots of test machines that were easy for non-tech people to swap in and out - we used these for a few years and they were great! Kept spares in the back and re-imaged them as they were swapped in and out and repaired, etc. Made things cheap and easy, which was important for a company where every penny counted.
@jimmy41607
Жыл бұрын
My dad invented the xpc he was the mastermind behind all of this and was the VP of the shuttle company( once called shuttle now changed name) . sadly he left the company in 2005 due to the company family civil war. since then the XPC has had no changes in look or design since 2003 and has gone downhill. My dad once told me has had better design in mind but you know he left the industries 10+ years ago and changed career to a different field now. I think he is still a computer genius who knows the electrical fundamentals inside and out and is a super handyman can fix everything. Also FYI I am currently on 4th gen i7 SZ87R6 my dad got it for me free from his connection. with 500W silver plus PSU , max out 32gb ram and with a GTX1080. still plays games with 1080P well
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Amazing, thank you for sharing!
@davidp4456
2 ай бұрын
Since Phil made this video I now have 6 of these from one of the first socket A units to a 6 core i7 running in the SX58J3, and I am really impressed with them all. They all have individual features as well as much in common and this raises questions for me like; Why do the 32 bit systems only run with up 2GB of memory rather than 4GB? A thing I have also noticed is the high quality of construction and I have not found an XPC I have been unable to fix or with bad capacitors. It would be fascinating to hear about the details of design planning and the challenges of such a small format. Perhaps Phil could interview your father to give us an insight into the development of this platform and how things worked out for the Shuttle computer company?
@davidp4456
2 ай бұрын
I think my main criticism of the XPC would be that the power supplies are only just strong enough for their intended requirements, so they are always a little overworked and eventually fail. Fortunately I have been able to upgrade my XPC’s with old server power supplies with a higher rating, which also helps keep their operating temperatures lower.
@Headbanger88
2 ай бұрын
@@davidp4456 Hi, i upgraded my SK43G with a brand new power supply SilverStone SST-FX350-G - Flex Serie, 350W 80 Plus Gold from Amazon. I only had to trim 3mm from the case at the back.
@GTFour
Жыл бұрын
I went to LANS a lot so had one as my main gaming pc with an xp3200+ 400FSB and a fx5900 with bios flashed to a 5900U! Good times. Was the era when TFTs just started to become mainstream so it was mad going from lugging a big heavy steel tower PC & CRT to a LAN to easy carrying a super light aluminium shoebox in a backpack and thin TFT screen.
@Turtle_1976
Жыл бұрын
I know I’ll get some hate, but I turned an old one of these into basically an external USB device. I’ve got a couple of laptop Blu-ray burners in it along with a multi card, reader and some hard drives all wired up with a USB 3 hub that I plug into my mini PC now. Figured it at least could use the case since the computer itself died.
@nicholsliwilson
Жыл бұрын
Remember them? I have 2 in my retro collection & there’s one in front of me right now! I always start by turning a new pc on or temporarily add any missing components then turning it on to see what I’m working with before I start refurbishing it. I actually had an even earlier P4 centric Shuttle PC back when it was new but the power supply died & I moved on to a G5 iMac for data that needed to be safe & a generic PC I built from parts for gaming but I loved that little Shuttle… even though the Geforce FX 5700 I ran in it for a while ran at 92°C in there. 😄
@CraftComputing
Жыл бұрын
I've built so many of these! Awesome find!
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Oh nice 🙂👍
@GTFour
Жыл бұрын
Oh the drive cage is super easy it just slides backwards and lifts out the top. Might have 1-2 screws in the top rail, I can’t specifically remember.
@retromuel
Жыл бұрын
I've got a couple of these. I turned my SK21G into an absolute rocket of a Windows 98 machine with DOS audio via a Vortex 2! Great little systems.
@keithbeesting
Жыл бұрын
Did you get Dos audio in Windows or in pure Dos mode?
@Apex180
Жыл бұрын
Had a few of these back in the day when i was LANing, all that power in a small box made them perfect.
@F7GOS
Жыл бұрын
Ugh I was desperate for a Shuttle back in the day.. I didn't really know why but I wanted one. Nice video!
@izzystuart7798
Жыл бұрын
I always wanted one of these back in the day! Such a small computer for the time.
@hoppegolucky
Жыл бұрын
Definitely went through a shuttle phase! Thanks for this!
@dadstrainset
Жыл бұрын
Shuttle PCs were brilliant. I remember rocking up to a LAN party with an SB51G, ti4200 and P4 2.4 and having to host all the games, given my tiny PC was by far the fastest in the room. Armagetron, Quake 3, Battlefield 1942. Good times. I recently picked up an SK43G and it's a great little machine. Not as good as the SB51G, but close enough. The engineering required to take desktop components into a chassis that size in c.1999 was outstanding. Love the channel Phil, and the website resources are brilliant. Keep at it brother.
@dcarpenter85
Жыл бұрын
Fond memories of putting many hours into MoH:AA multiplayer back in the day. Played it almost every day until Call of Duty 1 released and then me and most of my friends made the switch. Fantastic games!
@Epezpalace
Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened to me when I interested network gaming with Mohaa and switched to COD. There was also other great network multiplayer hits like UT, ET, CS1.5 and up. Those games are playable also with dial-up 56k but wide latency has irritated some other players. At those time DSL-connections spread up very quickly. At nowadays I don't get feeling anymore from any top-end multiplayer games. Maybe it's from nostalgic wibes.
@cmjones01
Жыл бұрын
It's great to see the love for these Shuttle PCs. I had an SN41 just like the one in the video. I used it for work with dual monitors and it worked great running Windows XP, though it did occasionally hang. Just recently I found an SS51 Pentium 4 based Shuttle while dumpster diving and have fitted RAM, a hard drive, NVidia graphics card and a gigabit Ethernet card. It now runs Debian Linux and is really handy for working with floppy images and connecting "retro" hardware.
@AlexM-uh7sq
Жыл бұрын
Got two myself. Socket A and a 754. Been sitting in the basement for a while. You got me wanting to tinker with them now :)
@Ohem1
Жыл бұрын
I had a Shuttle gaming PC that I built in the early 2000s, I did meticulous research to make everything fit. It had nForce 2 chipset, 1GB DDR RAM and Radeon 9800 Pro. At that time, no one in my area had ever seen such a small PC, and it was (well, somewhat) easy to carry to LAN with friends. But it wasn't quiet.
@JohnSmith-ph9co
Жыл бұрын
Have the same Shuttle computer which I setup on Windows 98 (could only us 1 Gig of ram) and I used some of your downloads on your website to get it up and running. Also used the built in video as most of my video cards do not have Win 98 drivers. Great video by the way!
@GreySectoid
Жыл бұрын
I had and still have this exactly same Shuttle! Bought it as media PC for living room, nice little machine.
@667Mhz
Жыл бұрын
Hi from Ukraine. I have seen similar mini PCs here at online flea markets (about 25 US $). The specifications there were already more modern. Core 2 Duo with Radeon HD3870. Powerful gaming computers of the time. Unfortunately, I don't have time to buy it and make a video right now. I like your videos. I have been watching your channel for a long time.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@lemagreengreen
Жыл бұрын
These were very popular, I remember people building more portable lanparty machines with them and I think they were popular as media PC's too, didn't look too out of place in a living room.
@MJLee-wl6kt
Жыл бұрын
I have owned more than 10 Shuttle XPCs before. They bring back good memories. After Shuttle stopped updating the XPC, I switched to Intel NUCs. Now I have the NUC3, NUC 7 Skull Canyon, and NUC 11 Extreme
@v4lgrind
Жыл бұрын
I still have my old Shuttle sitting on a shelf.
@drphilxr
Жыл бұрын
Me too! At my mom’s lol- with a P4 and 2gb ram. They looked so cool but ran hot.
@jorgem50
Жыл бұрын
I had a Shuttle pc back in 2005. One of my favorite PCs
@AudioCraZ
Жыл бұрын
The shuttle cases were fun to build. Micro ATX, and the ones with handles on the front of the cases we called "Lan Party Builds". I had always wanted to see these make a return.
@felixokeefe
Жыл бұрын
The shuttle PC in this video uses a flexATX motherboard. Fyi
@AudioCraZ
Жыл бұрын
@@felixokeefe Yeah, I had forgotten that Shuttle used their own boards and the majority (if not all) of their cases. Been so long since I seen one. lI do remember there were cases similar to the shuttles by several brands that used Micro ATX motherboards. The one I was remembering (with the slide out mobo tray) was the Aspire X case.
@HappyBeezerStudios
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if DFI ever made a motherboard for that form factor. Putting a LanParty into a Lan Party build.
@AudioCraZ
Жыл бұрын
@@HappyBeezerStudios If I remember correctly, all of the DFI "Lan Party" motherboards were the enthusiast full ATX boards. I think those had the crazy heatsink for the power that stuck out of the case. Man, I miss those crazy board designs.
@tyrkukulkan
Жыл бұрын
Oh man, SHUTTLE!!! My main retro rig is in a Shuttle XPC. I always wanted one but had a laptop instead for portability. Now, 20 years later, I finally have a Shuttle SK21G. Athlon 64 3200+, Radeon X800XT PE (AGP), Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS, & Windows XP. I replaced the 200W Shuttle PSU with a 350W Silverstone FX350-G. It is an absolute beast for XP games, I love it!
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@utubeuser1024
Жыл бұрын
Oh man! That optical drive was my first ever DVD burner! The legendary GSA-4040B from LG - I used it for many years and last I tested it it still works today!
@marcinnowak7811
Жыл бұрын
I have never played Medal of Honor and you have motivated me to give it a try with this video. I am playing it on my old Athlon Xp and am enjoying it quite a lot. Thanks.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
That's awesome 🙂
@EmberBlitz
3 ай бұрын
@@philscomputerlabI have it on my Core 2 Duo XP PC.
@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
Жыл бұрын
I have a collection of barebones, but Shuttle lost badly to MSI, with the barebones that had a front display. In fact, to the unwary eye, the MSI barebone passes unnoticed as a mini stereo of the mp3 generation. It had small speakers, and was able to play cds, radio, mp3 even with the computer turned off.
@paulcohen1555
Жыл бұрын
i remember the Shuttle brand. I was buying their motherboards long before the mini pc. They had quite good products.
@swerveshot
Жыл бұрын
I have a homelab consisting of 2 Shuttle XPC cubes filled with a 8 core i9 CPU and 128GB each. The extensibility options is what caused me to choose these badboys over NUCs. The form factor hasn't changed much and still looks basically like the old ones.
@joshwa1234
Жыл бұрын
Do they fit MiniITX motherboards?
@swerveshot
Жыл бұрын
@@joshwa1234 no, to my knowledge shuttle pc motherboards have their own motherboard form factor.
@andy_rulz2000
Жыл бұрын
I remember using these at my old job, putting them inside our touch screen jukeboxes, perfect application for these due to their small form factor.
@ksolo614
Жыл бұрын
I have one of these as my retro PC. I used your videos to get Windows 98 Se installed on it. I have an Geforce Fx5600 agp and Athlon xp +2600.
@ufukpolat3480
Жыл бұрын
The amount of power that could be packed into one of these is amazing. I bought the SN25P model right before SN26P was released. This was back when single slot GPUs and SLI were still a thing, like the 8800GT. Never could find a SN26P in stock but if I could, I would have had the X2 3800+ CPU matched with two of these. That was insane for an ATX build let alone a tiny box. Excellent for travel purposes as well.
@RetroJay1974
Жыл бұрын
I had a fleet of these machines. Starting in 2004 with the SN45Gv2. I coupled them with ATI All in wonder cards and recorded thousands of hours of TV with them. They were real workhorses those machines! I went from amd to intel, found the intel versions more suited to mpg2 video capture. I wish these things were still made, they were brilliant.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
ATI All in Wonder, what a marketing name. I remember those cards well!
@speedlolita
Жыл бұрын
My mother's friend's husband had a Shuttle with a 9800 Pro and probably some AMD chip. It was so much more powerful than what I was using at the time, buttery smooth HL2 and Doom 3. Seeing Shuttle PCs like this bring back those memories. :)
@paulyearley1084
Жыл бұрын
I had a Shuttle in the 2000s. It was a solid machine that served me well for a number of years.
@jeffreykay4713
Жыл бұрын
I had one just like this that I used as my main gaming rig. I lived at home but was hanging out everywhere else so it was a great portable solution. The nForce was a great overclocking chipset and this kit came with a very decent cooling solution, so I took advantage of that with one of the cheaper Athlon XPs and clocked it up. Cut the restrictive fan grills off the back to help airflow. I think I used a Radeon GPU at the time. Paired it up with a VGA LCD projector and I could carry everything with one hand and have the biggest display around as long as there was a white wall available. I even had the silver bag with shoulder strap for it. It was the best until the power supply gave out. Then I ran it without the case and an ATX power supply sitting next to it. At that point I had my own place and it just became a regular not very portable desktop. That power LED will light a dark room, I had to put a sticker over mine.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Awesome, love the projector setup ☺️
@GadgetUK164
Жыл бұрын
Always a joy to watch =D
@keithbeesting
Жыл бұрын
Great video Phil. I lusted after these Shuttle PCs back in the day and managed to pick up three during lockdown for about £35 each! One is the same as yours, a green Pentium 4 model and a black Dual Core model running either XP or W98. Only thing I couldn't get working on yours was the sound in Dos but maybe its possible now with SBEmu? Would love to see a video of you trying Dos games and PCI sound cards on that model would be interesting.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
I haven't had good luck with SBEmu, it's a good idea but once you test a range of games the compatibility is poor.
@antoineheaven
Жыл бұрын
I remember this shuttle trend back in the day. And it get pretty hot inside the box if you hardcore gaming ^^
@jacobharvey2946
Жыл бұрын
Wow… I think I still have one of those in my parent’s basement or attic. I was so excited when I got it as a secondary PC.
@tomdillan
Жыл бұрын
I built a few of these back in the early 2000's. They were really popular in Japan where I was stationed.
@Henk717
Жыл бұрын
The rental story is so nostalgic, our local library had a collection of PC games and quite a good one to. But because it was digital goods that could be copied on top of the library subscription you had to pay $1 to loan the title for a few days. So we'd totally loan them, copy them, download a crack online and then help copy those to other classmates who wanted copies to. If a classmate wanted a copy we'd also ask them $1 which was the rough cost of an empty disk so that they could pay for the costs it would take to burn and print the cover, and then they could enjoy a lot of great games to. But even more nostalgic was that this was done with a dutch collection called Twilight CD's, and Phil you can get them from 2 different sources on archive both have bad sectors but the museum uploads are usually the ones that are good, supplement them with the other uploader and its an absolutely incredible collection. They would be copied all over the netherlands and there is no other compilation of the same quality.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing, love these personal stories 😊
@homelessEh
Жыл бұрын
the 1 time the library kicked ass... was when the inner net was scarce and new... the only time i remember ever saying to my self gotta go to the library.... usb drive with quake on it....and cyber beach dm server ip written on a scrap of paper....
@krazownik3139
Жыл бұрын
Yea, I also remember those times. There was no rental store with games in my neighborhood, I also don't heard about them until I watched this video. It's kind of weird because VHS rental stores were still very popular at this point. Maybe it's due to "anti-piracy paranoia" during the early 2000's. Back then allegedly "control groups" from police and Microsoft break into the peoples homes and put them in jail if they found out that you don't have a stupid "legal sticker" on your case. We borrow and copied discs with games to each other regardless, I still have a disc with copy of GTA San Andreas from my friend but I don't know if it's still working.
@PauloRAgostinho
Жыл бұрын
Nice video Phil! I have 2 Shuttle XPC, a SB61G2 V3 (S478 i865G) that needs full recap and dead SN95G5 V3 (S939 Nforce3 Ultra). I got a Shuttle XPC FX43 motherboard that it is being use in the frankstein mix between the other two. The SN41G2 it is the most desirable version of the S462 Shuttle XPC, Nforce 2 Ultra!
@nighty7158
Жыл бұрын
1. Open the side (in this case.. take it apart). 2. Check if everything is connected right, nothing gotten loose during shipping. 3. Turn on. 4. If works, and I care enough about the machine -- new thermal paste. 5. Put back together. 6. Use. :D
@Diana-gm8bc
Жыл бұрын
Hi Phil, awesome and insightful video! I really appreciate you so much for spotlighting this nostalgic brand that feels 'forgotten' in this new age of PC building. For those of you who don't know, Shuttle still exists! My boyfriend actually works for Shuttle and we watched your video together; he enjoys watching PC reviewers all the time and was really happy to see Shuttle showcased. He is more than happy to answer any questions about their recent stuff :).
@lukemarvin
Жыл бұрын
I was so psyched to get one of these for my home theatre pc! I have such good memories of using this to learn how about BitTorrent, and watching The Office (UK) and Arrested Development on this with my 4 roommates.
@Vanessaira-Retro
Жыл бұрын
I have a Shuttle PC and they are neat. Also I tend to clean equipment before using it. Nothing crazy but I generally do some cleaning maintenance before turning them on.
@Troppa17
Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly the drive cage with the 5,25" and the two 3,5" drives slides back and comes out the top. Might be that the face plate has to come off as well but I can't really remember. I had what I believed was one of the first gen Shuttle X PC with an Tualatin Celeron 1,2 GHz unfourtnatly the previous owner killed the mainboard by mistake while trying to recap it. So I had only the chassis, drives, RAM, CPU and an FLex ATX PSU that look like someone added a fan an the outside and build a fancontroller in an LEGO brick externally which should've been from the factory as the previous owner told me. I tried for years to find an replacement board but finally ended up cuting an hole where the I/O was and installing an Zotac mainboard with an Atom 330 and ION chipest and all new drives and an 3,5" card reader. So it became my HTPC until I upgraded to Blu Ray.
@zacmitchell_1984
Жыл бұрын
I plug it in outside first 😂 I remember just drooling over these shuttle PCs back in the day.
@keithbrown814
Жыл бұрын
I own about 4 shuttle PC's of this style. All of mine are Pentium 4's though. I got mine working at a Universities Surplus store. I wish I had a socket A version. That is when I started to get into building computers. Unfortunately I don't have a Athlon in my collection. I have looking to get one. But they are expensive. Luckily I do I one K6-2 PC. Thanks Phil you always do a good job.
@lukedavis436
Жыл бұрын
I have that exact model (SN41G), she happily Runs Linux and is an amazing part of the collection.
@ckaiycool
Жыл бұрын
Had a shuttle pc for a decade (2004-2014). SN41G2v3. Loved the size and unusual case at that time. My specs where: AMD Athlon XP Barton 2800+2.08Ghz. 2Gb Ram and ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP. But there was some things that was anoying with this case. First and foremost the high pitch noise from the Sunon fan. And the other thing was that it was hard to mod. I switched the Sunon fan to two Noctua 80mm fans that was in a push/pull configuration because the CPU got really hot with only one Noctua fan. The Northbridge got a Zalman ZM-NB47J Passive Heatsink that had to be cut in the fins to fit. To be able to have the HD3850 card in, the strongest power supply at 300W was a must. Original PSU was at 250W...... Nice vid Phil, this gave me some nostalgia from my 20's
@LorisPeretto
Жыл бұрын
Nice video! I am happy that you returned to review old pc and old hardware in win 98/xp!
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Me too! More to come!
@mdrumt
Жыл бұрын
I do remember these! I was keen on one but ended up going full atx due to getting some hand me down P4 parts.
@NightMotorcyclist
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I remember wanting these PCs after I felt my family's Pentium III machine was a getting long in the tooth for high end gaming (it was fine and could've done well with a new GPU but it was running old hardware already) and when I was shopping for parts at a now defunct Monarch PC website for my first build, I came across Shuttle barebones boxes and thought these were awesome as they took up far less space and still packed high end hardware and could be carried to LAN parties (which were still a thing at the time). The only problem was that these machines cost quite a bit more than building my own and still necessitated buying other parts to complete the build.
@OfficialDJSoru
Жыл бұрын
Funny enough the total assembly price back then is probably not much different from building a modern ITX pc today
@NightMotorcyclist
Жыл бұрын
At the time I was just a kid and it took ke a long time to convince my parents that I should build us a new PC using an assortment of parts after getting used to upgrading the old prebuilt. I had a pretty limited budget which left Shuttle PC off the table. These days I'm more interested in building mATX machines as a nice middle ground.
@steeben009
Жыл бұрын
Going to a lanparty you still have to go with the car instead of like the bicycle. Going to a lanparty you have to bring your screen too and cables. So you always have to go with the car to get all computers in. I think a bigger pc case, medium pc case and high end towers you have much better ventilation and air streams.
@OfficialDJSoru
Жыл бұрын
@@steeben009 As someone who drives a Yaris, if I brought friends to watch (therefore filling up the car seats) there wouldn't be much space for anything after I placed my desktop in the boot. The screen and peripherals would need to go on the lap of those in the backseats Edit, also, you clearly never seen ventilation oriented ITX cases. Those things are so big they end up the height of an mATX case
@thesmokingcap
Жыл бұрын
I believe these machines were quite popular around Australia and New Zealand. The IT repair shop I used to work for sold these as a OEM machine. I loved the small form factor, nice and small. Heaps of good specs inside. The only issue was the Power Supplies would die regularly and the motherboards would suffer from bad caps. Seemed to be a common issue. The last one I had was the same spec as yours but in black. So cool!
@mikeyjnz
Жыл бұрын
This was my recollection on the early '00s as well, very clever designs unfortunately hobbled by cheap components - boards and PSUs were a matter of "when" they go, not "if" and they were also proprietary layouts made them a bit of a hassle.
@sprockkets
Жыл бұрын
I had the sg31g2, and the ss40g. What was weird was I had two of the sg31g2s, and while they came with solid caps, some weren't and out of the 2, one of them went bad. Some random person would repair them for a price, and while it took them forever, they fixed it.
@muskaos
Жыл бұрын
These were sold in the era of bad chinese capacitors, so that you would run into that is not unusual. I have one of these systems, still, that I first built it for my mom for her to use as her home PC. It has a 3400+ in it, iirc, and it doesn't like modern SSD, it won't recognize them in the BIOS.
@Ray-rt3yh
Жыл бұрын
Hey Phil, thanks for all your material. You've helped with a lot of setup questions I've had with win 98. Current setup: Tyan S2080 Pentium III-S 1266 512mb CL2 ram SLI STB Black Magic Voodoo 2 16mb BFG Nvidia GeForce 6800 GT OC SB Live! 5.1 CT4620 Asus DVD drive 120 GB SSD Win 98 SE Runs like a champ and plays all the way from Dos to Win9x games. The SB emulation is the only part of this build I'd like to change, but there's no ISA slot on this board and all the other boards with 4x AGP are way too expensive. So I'll settle with the live card. Anyways, keep up the great work!
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Nice! Surprised you're using a 6000 GeForce though. Did you have any issues?
@Ray-rt3yh
Жыл бұрын
@@philscomputerlab I got the shutdown bug while using ACPI, but I disabled it in BIOS and reinstalled Win 98 SE. Everything is fully stable and the 6800 runs SWKotor at max settings. Secret of Monkey Island plays perfect as well. Only issue I have is if I click shutdown, restart to MS Dos mode it goes to a black screen with the _ cursor flashing. So I just use a reboot into Dos shortcut.
@rootbeer666
Жыл бұрын
I remember when they were new. Used to see this stuff at computer shows (market for small vendors) I shopped at when I was a teenager. That stuff was too rich for me but I would feast my eyes anyway.
@christianeberhardt5318
Жыл бұрын
If you want to have a more DOS compatible Shuttle PC, some of the predecessors (Shuttle PCs with rectangular buttons) are based on SIS chipsets / mainboard. There is even one version with 2 PCI slots (which I use). All onboard hardware, including the onboard VGA is picked up by Windows 98SE out of the box. Nforce Model: On the silver model you can remove the parallel port and route IDE cables outwards (with the included squished IDE cables). I put a Creative Life! 5 inch panel in the front and put the cd-rom on top. The fastest GPU I put in there was the GeForce 7800 GS.
@BoomBox02
Жыл бұрын
Did the 7800 GS run at full power? When i bought my shuttle a few years ago, it had a slow geforce 4 MX 4000 which i took out and put in a 7600 GS. The computer powered on and everything worked as it should except for the 7600GS. I got a message saying something along the lines that the power to the 7600 GS was not enough and that the card was running in low power mode to protect it from damage. I also had the power molex cable connected to the card. To me the 7600 GS looked to be running fine and not in low power mode, but i removed it and put the crappy mx4000 back in.
@christianeberhardt5318
Жыл бұрын
@@BoomBox02 If I remember correctly, it worked without any problems, but I think at the time I only had one hard drive in there and an externally powered FireWire CD drive
@nrg753
Жыл бұрын
Ah the precursor to Mini ITX! My brother had a "Jetway MiniQ" that he bought from GameDude in Brisbane, pretty similar to the Shuttle!
@claudioramirez84
Жыл бұрын
Wow beautiful compact design. I'd love to have one of these.
@dusanvicic8502
Жыл бұрын
I had Shuttle AI61 Slot A with original Athlon 600mhz processor. Served me till 2014, when it got broken. 5 years later, i've fixed it and i upgraded it to the maximum. You know that this fella can run KZitem on XP SP3 in 2023 on Firefox in 144p. But it was a pain to load the website, as expected... I'm using it nowdays as a retro computer. Since 2009 still stayin' alive...
@Stealth86651
Жыл бұрын
I really wanted one of these, I love the idea of a small form factor PC.
@charonunderground8596
Жыл бұрын
As usual super video. As for Australia, besides your channel I still watch BigstackD :) Greetings from Poland
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@VdWck
Жыл бұрын
I always wondered why it hasn't gone more popular. It looks cool
@sprockkets
Жыл бұрын
It was very popular back in the day. I bought a few of them, from the SiS 740 chipset socket a, the nforce chipset, and some intel ones.
@jamesellis9080
Жыл бұрын
I had one many years ago they were cool. But those power supply fans were the most annoying things ever invented.
@sprockkets
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesellis9080 I think the first gen power supplies were noisy and one of them went dead for me, but I got it fixed under warranty IIRC. The later versions though had better power supplies that were quieter.
@mrgtmodernretrogamingtech6891
Жыл бұрын
Almost have that one, if only that thing is not 200 kms away from me! Hahah! Nice catch Phil! Take good care of that one sir!
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@MultiTelan
Жыл бұрын
These were the start of my fascination and eventual odd obsession with building a powerful and decently cooled mini computer. That obsession continues to now (CM N200).
@saintuk70
Жыл бұрын
built numerous Shuttles during the very late 90's and especially during the early 00's
@daveb1930
Жыл бұрын
I still have mine, same model as yours, sitting safely in the official silver Shuttle carrycase in a cupboard. Athlon XP 2500, Radeon 9800 Pro, and a sweet brushed aluminium cover attached to the front of the DVD drive to keep the front looking slick. Absolute beast for LAN sessions back in the day.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
It came with a carry case? Nice! I'd use a woolworths shopping bag 😂
@daveb1930
Жыл бұрын
@@philscomputerlab It was an optional extra, the model of the carrycase I had was the "Shuttle PF9" if you're curious. I also still have the official Shuttle media IR remote and receiver in the side pocket, as I'd only just moved out of the family house, and it was my main DVD player. I used to keep it simultaneously plugged in to a monitor on one side and a larger CRT television on the other, through the 9800 Pro's S-Video out. Ahhh, simpler days. ;)
@bacongl
Жыл бұрын
Oh i absolutely remember Shuttle. I remember their terrible power supplies that always failed. They caused blue screens constantly. I also remember the horrendous motherboards that came in these. They were trash. In the end, they always ended up in the dumpster.
@AWalYT
Жыл бұрын
Had a few of these in the past: SB81P in 2005, SB86i in 2006, and a SD39P2 in 2007. Ended up selling to upgrade up to that third one and it would literally be my main computer until it died in 2013 (cracks in the sub levels of the PCB, I think). It was the ideal system for someone like me who liked to tinker, but also wanted a nice system to bring to LAN parties. I remember hearing that the last models were mini-ITX compatible as well, so as long as you could keep the PSU alive, I suppose one could continue to use the same case indefinitely...Though I suppose nowadays there are other just as desirable options out there. I myself would end up getting a gaming class laptop in 2014 and would basically use that as my daily driver from there on out (I got another gaming class laptop in 2018 when that one died and through a stroke of luck I am typing this now on that very laptop, lol)
@RoyMaya
Жыл бұрын
I bought 2 of these Shuttle XPC's when they came out. I still have 1 of them and I love it. They're so handy to have around for booting into Win98 or WInXP.
@GikeroMage
Жыл бұрын
My first HelpDesk position was working for a company that sold a lot of these PCs to locals. I had a customer bring in his "glorified typewriter" a 386 PC running DOS 5.x. I ended up imaging the PC and getting everything transfered to one of these. It worked like a charm and he was sstill able to use his older parallel printer.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Cool!
@milescarter7803
Жыл бұрын
I do remember them, I had a few. The motherboards died left and right, were not cheap for what they offered and the internal layout suffered from no good layout for ventilation. But boy did I want one.
@colinstu
Жыл бұрын
First exposure to one of these was at a CompUSA, with the clear side panels and small size it excited both my dad and me. It ran a Knoppix 3.2 or so install too, my first hands-on with linux… was kinda hooked. He later built one (not Shuttle, but FIC IC-VL67), but also put a P4 3.2GHz w/HT and 9800 Pro… wow that thing ran so hot with those super hot components. Later went with like a 2.2-2.4ghz p4 and moved the other chip to a full size build. ALSO… not sure about your machine, but ours had a very specific smell to it… not bad, but it seemed like a lot of parts from that 2003-04ish period kinda had it, some kind of tech part smell lol.
@songsan807
Жыл бұрын
Back in the late 90s I got a couple of these and got each of my kids one of these because they were cheap for about $120 - $140 each at the Computer show for the barebone which just need to install a hard drive and connect to a monitor and keyboard, mouse and done. It works great with Windows 98 and then XP. Anything beyond XP because I believe usually they max out at 4GB it start to become slow. Since XP is no longer supported most websites does not work with it. It is still great to either put Win 98 or XP and use mainly as a gaming computer for older PC games. I got a couple of these a few years ago for $5 each at a garage sale so they are great to just put Linux or an older Win OS. Nothing more you can do on it unfortunately.
@Kumimono
Жыл бұрын
Small formfactor PC's are really good for small quarters. I just can't fit that many full towers or pizza boxes in my home... Laptops are pretty good for that issue. Would be interesting to see a retro compatible laptop. A sidenote, I've followed this channel for years, always pictured the guy behind it looking like, Shaggy from Scooby Doo. Cadence, accent, those sort of things. Never expected Agent 47. :)
@PiercedJedi
Жыл бұрын
I had one of these systems I used as a streaming PC for watching Netflix etc. on an old TV that didn't have HDMI input, once I got a new TV I would use my BlueRay player which had a built in Netflix app. and sadly I don't recall what happened to the Shuttle PC :( I really liked that little guy...
@Rivenworld
Жыл бұрын
I have one of these beauties, all black with a mirror front running XP and all of my old games, shoved a Pentium 4 and SSD into it, terrific machine. Had similar issues with an NVidia card so opted for an ATI, runs sweet.
@jonragnarsson
Жыл бұрын
I had one of those too. Really nice machine. Can't remember the cpu or the graphics card.
@Bitwise1024
Жыл бұрын
I have one of those in need of a recap. Some day. Would make a great Win98SE machine.
@nikmilosevic1696
Жыл бұрын
I love these mini Shuttle boxes, have had 4 in the past, still have three working ones. Couple are AMD and the last one is a E6700 equipped one (recently updated from original e6420).
@shaneeslick
Жыл бұрын
G'day Phil, 😍WOW! BIG THANKS Domonic for sharing this Nice Blast Little From the Past. First thing I always do when I get used parts is test to make sure they are working properly, then if it's a FAIL! I can deal with resolving it with the seller or... if I am happy it gets a Compressor Blast, Alcohol + Toothbrush Scrub, then a Repaste & Thermal Pads if needed, 🤗It's my welcome to the family for orphans so they know they are loved.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@stuartcastle2814
Жыл бұрын
I bought a shuttle PC from work in the mid 2000s. Can't find anything online about it. Any model number I had would not have been valid, because it was a rebranded Shuttle. It had a fairly decent spec for the time. IIRC it had a decent P4 CPU, 16 Gig Ram, and 120 Gig HDD. I did originally get it for gaming, but could never find a decent GFX card that fitted in the case (certainly not without overheating). As such, I had to rely on the built in Intel chipset. Now, Intel ARC GFX cards are quite decent, but if you have ever tried to game on an old school Intel chipset, you'll know why I didn't want to. I ended up using the machine as a Windows machine I could mess around with to learn stuff until it died. Then, I replaced it with a Pi 3, which has since been replaced by a Pi 4, both of which I use as computers I can mess around with, safe in the knowledge that if I bugger them up, I can just re-image them with no loss and start again. If I need to muck around with Windows, I have a PC that is more than capable of running multiple VMs, which I can also recreate without loss. I use VMware's snapshot feature to return the VM to a known good state..
@pazitor
Жыл бұрын
Gosh, Phil. This was the dream machine I never got to own. I wanted a mini-ITX system build back in the early oughts, but the offering outside Shuttle's dedicated HW was almost non-existent. (Now happily typing this on a Z97 mini-ITX system running a modded BIOS and a power-sipping but high performing Xeon. With an RTX 2060 OC, it is one of my main gaming machines.) BTW, was a moderator on the now-defunct SFF Forum.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
I had a small case back in the day, details escape me but used uATX and full size PSU. X Cube maybe?
@weepingscorpion8739
Жыл бұрын
I remember scoffing at these when they were new as I was all about the big towers back then. But now I really want one of these. But they're not that easy to find. But I just gotta keep looking.
@fuentescgabriel
Жыл бұрын
It looks very similar to Biostar iDeq 210. All aluminum case, Athlon XP 3200+, firewire, IRDA infrared. I have one and it's amazing for retro windows xp gaming.
@Beany2007FTW
Жыл бұрын
Ah, I remember dumpster diving one of these. Dead motherboard. Customer motherboard format. Back in the bin with it....
@kevin1970
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what i have. Was bought for music. Running a barton 2500+ and ati x800
@fordonmekochgalenskaper5665
Жыл бұрын
Had 3 of these back in the days, use them for lan party, because my main gaming pc wasn't easy to move
@pierdeer
Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing these Shuttle PCs in TV shows / magazines back in the day and falling in love with the small form factor. Never ended up getting one unfortunately, but they inspired my latest PC build. Just a small cube PC, nothing crazy. :)
@redhair
2 ай бұрын
I still have mine from back in 2003 and it's my favorite Retro PC now: the SK41G. It's an Athlon XP-M 2600+ which can change the multiplier anytime on the fly, for the sound I'm using the TTSOLO-1 with the DreamBlaster S1 on it, and a Quadro4 980 XGL for the graphics, but this computer can also run a Voodoo3 without any problems! It's just a wonderful machine for Windows 98 with great DOS compatibility.
@Dukefazon
Жыл бұрын
Drakan is an amazing game, the combat is a bit simple but it was a super fun open world-ish game, multiple armour and swords, bow+arrows, there is weapon degradation but it's done in a way that it doesn't get in the way, you'll find plenty of weapons and by the time your best weapon breaks you are finding something even better. The on-foot combat is servicable but where the game shines is the dragon parts, I've never played a game before and since where you just whistled to your dragon, hopp on it's back and off you go. And the game's structure is very unique, you go between dungeons and flying sections, you have a world map, find a dungeon, leave the dragon outside and when you emerge to the surface you are either at the same place or somewhere else, just whistle and your dragon is there to pick you up and you can fly to the next area. Amazing-amazing game! I wish someone took its formula and make a new game in the same vein. By the way, Drakan is very finicky to run, my old PC ran it without an issue but I had multiple friends whom I showed the game, they wanted to play it too but for the love of god it just didn't want to run at all or showed the wrong colors or froze. There might be modern patches out there, sadly I haven't played this game in like 20 years... Maybe it's time to whip out that old Win98 machine of mine :)
@christianeberhardt5318
Жыл бұрын
Search for the Drakan Anniversary Edition, this is the latest fan patch (I know of) to make it run on modern systems. Otherwise there are thankfully lots of options like PCem (virtual machine for Windows 98 era PCs and hardware), Steam Proton and Lutris (Linux).
@DotNetDemon83
Жыл бұрын
YES. I had one of these in college. We called them little toasters.
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez
Жыл бұрын
This case design made me think of what chasis design would be ideal for retro pc. Even if you have to make one from scratch.
@PatricksRetro
Жыл бұрын
I loved these ones back in the day and installed quite a few of them for my friends. I actually bought one just like this last year for some retro gaming. I remember we had a black XC Cube for socket 939 which a friend of mine and me used to host some websites on. I am still looking for that one for a decent price, just for the nostalgia.
@etansivad
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! I used one of those to make a MythBox to record OTA signals back in 2005ish.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Myth wow haven't heard that for ages! I used the Microsoft media centre for a while...
@alextirrellRI
Жыл бұрын
I sure do remember the Shuttles! I went to a vocational high school for a couple classes in grades 10-12 and one of the years we built a whole bunch of these to be our classroom computers for the IT/networking & web design classes. I seem to remember we were running Windows 2000 on them, which is maybe slightly odd because this was probably around 2003, so XP would have been out. Though at the time, Win 2K was very clean and compatible, and perfect for browsing the web and MS Office, which was about all we used them for. Schools sometimes are late adopters of newer OS's anyways. Over at the main high school, they were definitely still running Windows 98 in most of the labs. When I was in college, they skipped Vista altogether and went from XP to Win7.
@redavatar
Жыл бұрын
When I get a new PC I do the following: - I open it up and check to see if I can see any problems: is there a drive, is everything hooked up, did the seller remove vital cards (sound cards, graphics cards, ...), are there any obvious bad capacitors or other hardware issues that might damage the PC if I turned it on - I then turn it on if everything is OK to make sure it boots. I hook up a keyboard, mouse & monitor and see any error codes. - I replace the CMOS battery if needed if I get any errors or BIOS settings do not save. - I set the BIOS correctly and if I get zero errors I decide to start working on it - I clean it completely (outside included) - I replace any parts I deem necessary. Usually this means the CD drive (most PCs I buy come with very poor brandless 52x CD drives), sound card and graphics card. - I install a Compact Flash or SD card IDE adapter depending on which the BIOS recognises - I start installing all the software this way. While testing a PC I have a small notebook that I jot things down on. I test a very wide range of games, especially ones that I know are picky. Anything I discover is written down. This helps me decide on what hardware to leave permanently in the PC. Sound cards & graphics cards always have their own compatibility issues and it's always a question of deciding which issues to forgive and which you cannot live with.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@RETROCENGO
Жыл бұрын
Like them small shuttle PCs, Phil can you tell more about that autodriver installer? does it work under win 98? does the computer need to be online or does it have a driver database? hope to see more detaled info on your next video :-) thank you
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
It supports XP and higher. It's a huge torrent download and doesn't need Internet!
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