Thanks! I wish there were about 100 more of these comparisons out there. Also, I'd love to see the same type of comparison of different tunings for the resonant head (lower than batter, equal to batter, higher than batter).
@alejandromartinez-vp4sx
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! the frequency response is a great way to visualize :)
@bgnPrinceton
3 жыл бұрын
I realize it's a few years old, but this is an excellent video. Thanks for sharing!
@buffybunny1675
6 жыл бұрын
now do that without the moon gel on it. :/
@peteshifter
6 жыл бұрын
I should have mentioned it but the goal was to get an idea of the sound difference in real life. If you mic a rock drum kit mounted with rock drum heads, you'll very probably use dampening.
@buffybunny1675
6 жыл бұрын
I understand. I just wanted the pure sound of each. You're very right though. Once in awhile you get an uncooperative head that for some reason isn't really carrying the characteristic of how it should have performed. I actually had two pinstripe heads that were untunable and dead for some reason and unfortunately was the one that got them. I love them but turned to Evans in hope to never have the common problem Remo carried with their 2 ply heads that I have seen reported. I ended up with Black Chrome in the end by Evans which are nice and carry a little more sustain than the hydraulic versions.
@shanedrives8934
4 жыл бұрын
@@peteshifter I dunno, maannnn... You ever hear of Simon Philips..? kzitem.info/news/bejne/rY-o3IBscIJ4haw
@adamdiazzz
6 жыл бұрын
they honestly sound the same but if you listen close the G2 has a overtone
@peteshifter
6 жыл бұрын
You're perfectly right!
@hippydippy
3 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with coated Ambassadors myself. I like more warmth, but we all have our preferences & it's great they're are so many choices for different applications. Back in the 70's when I was touring I used Evans oil filled heads & all my toms & kick.. Loved 'em, but damn they weren't cheap!
@jakubsychowski3539
6 жыл бұрын
It should be Remo Emperor vs Evans G2 (both 2 ply x 7 mil) or Remo Pinstripe vs Evans EC2S (both 2 ply x 7 mil + ring)
@robertbates1910
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! And the Emperor would win, in my opinion.
@thesuccessfulbarber
3 ай бұрын
They are comparable heads but why not compare these?? A G2 and Emperor Clear will sound identical since they Both 3m mylar film. Only difference is the hoops
@monsieurlehigh4912
Ай бұрын
@@thesuccessfulbarber G2 vs Emperor, although they share the same specs, sound even more different than Pinstripe vs G2. Emperor has by far the most overtones and open sound of the three.
@ericgutierrez5568
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve used both. Remo Pinstripes sound warmer/deeper on my Sonor Maple Kit. They are also MUCH more durable. It’s not even close. G2’s are great, but they are not for heavy handed drummers.
@peteshifter
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I used brand new heads for this test and after these only 4 hits, the G2 was already damaged...
@EricLee-nr5jp
5 жыл бұрын
Great choice in kit!
@JAMESlock1911
Жыл бұрын
I use Evans coated G2s on my toms. Remo Ambassador on the snare. It's good to experiment and see what works best for your kit.
@sjcrawford
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the moon gel really makes this comparison useless. Can you do this again without it?
@peteshifter
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry but I don't see the point. In real life, rock heads mounted on rock drums won't be used without dampening. I dont' want to spend time recording things just for curiosity matters.
@malgdrummer
4 жыл бұрын
@@peteshifter that's not all true, there are some very famous rock drummers that dont use dampening, only tuning....
@hansoloist9756
2 жыл бұрын
Winner. Tama Starclassic Maple.
@robinaristorenas01
3 жыл бұрын
you forgot to remove the gel - try again!😂😂😂
@ofdrumsandchords
3 жыл бұрын
Good comparison, and the video is short. No effect ? With the moongel killing high frequencies, that's an odd thing to say, but I suppose you wanted it to be realistic. I use Fiberskyn heads without any dampening, and if a sound-engineer gets close with some moongel, I bite him.
@djjazzyjeff1232
2 жыл бұрын
You must not play live very often then lol.
@paulmyres7730
5 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up for those who want to use the pinstripe heads on a later model (after 2016) Yamaha Stage Custom kit.... These heads will not fit these Yamaha drums.... They will however fit the Yamaha Rydeen but just barely... They don't sit flat on the Stage Customs at all , and Yes I tried more than one as well as other manufacturers heads which all fit the Stage Customs just fine.
@NOAHCASAS
Жыл бұрын
THE REMO SOUND BETTER EVEN IF YOU COULDN'T HIT IT IN THE MIDDLE CENTER OFF THE HEAD
@gabrielhathcock4513
2 жыл бұрын
This helped me choose my reso head thank you
@brianleduke7536
6 жыл бұрын
Finally. A comparison that actually shows something.
@fespiriquidiberto
2 жыл бұрын
nothing.
@diepadda
Жыл бұрын
This video is excellent! Best video Ive seen for a real comparison of frequencies at the same tuning
@danrivera7
3 жыл бұрын
Why do a comparison with that glob of blue drum sound killer?
@peteshifter
3 жыл бұрын
Because I'm a sound engineer. I consider Moongel to be a sound shaper. It is used a lot in studio.
@danrivera7
3 жыл бұрын
@@peteshifter Hard to have a unadulterated sound comparison with the sound being altered is my point.
@ilovelulu8492
Жыл бұрын
Putting moon gels on the heads i do believe defeated the purpose of this pepsi challenge...
@lastcall9998
6 жыл бұрын
Remo. I used to "hate" Remo, is what is available to me nearby, bought a Tama Starclassic Maple, thought sounded amazing, then after 2 weeks I said "these toms are supposed to sound amazing, and I feel they sound powerful but cardboardish" so the heads from my previous cheapo drum kit went to replace the Genera G2 Evans heads, BIG big difference, like night and day. Remo pinstripes (I thought Evans tuned lower) sound lower, defined, musical. In the video I don't know what headphones they are using, but notice when you hit very softly the Remo head, it sounds delicious whereas the Evans one sounds so meh and drained of life. On my floor tom I notice with the Remo a baseball effect, but that is because we need to damp a little bit the resonant head a la Benny Greb.
@lilchung8158
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve always used g2 but I just bought me some pinstripes so we’ll see
@user-qw5dw7zb5r
2 ай бұрын
g2 sound a little more high pitched to me, possibly because of the glue inside the edge of the pinstripe
@gogo2957
4 жыл бұрын
Pin Stripe has a lubricant, more round les attack. Evens more punch.
@ccdrums1290
2 жыл бұрын
No lubricant in a pinstripe. The rainbow effect you see is light refraction between the 2 plies.
@gogo2957
2 жыл бұрын
@@ccdrums1290 yes it is gel. Emperor is 2 plies too
@johnbarnes3914
Жыл бұрын
Only drumhead with oil is Evans Hydraulic!!!
@hankdoral
Жыл бұрын
there are vids of people cutting them open. I used to believe they had oil too.
@ltitus8900
6 жыл бұрын
Why are you doing a head comparison with moon gel??
@peteshifter
6 жыл бұрын
Because the drum, the heads and the mic are rock-oriented. With this setup, if you don't hate your sound engineer, you'll use moon gel (or any damper). The aim was to stick as close as possible to real life. Why comparing sounds produced by setups that you'll never use?
@MadWinter889
4 жыл бұрын
@@peteshifter why do drummers accept sound engineers to put tape and other crap on their instruments? A drum's purpose is to resonate. Do violinists or pianists put duck tape on their instruments?
@peteshifter
4 жыл бұрын
@@MadWinter889 I'm not a violin specialist but I don't think this instrument resonates a lot (I recorded violins only twice but I was a live sound engineer for a band with a violin during 2 years). Concerning the piano, there's a pedal to stop the sustain... Maybe you play a style of music that fits long sustain drums. I think sustain must be controled in rock context. Mainly because rock drummers tend to play fast rolls.
@malgdrummer
4 жыл бұрын
@@peteshifter metal is a lot more fast music style and the mayority of drummers dont use dampening
@peteshifter
3 жыл бұрын
@@malgdrummer In metal, sound engineers use noise gates and samples. They almost don't care about the live sound except for cymbals. Drummers don't even realize their shells were replaced during mixing...
@SONORSQ2guy
2 жыл бұрын
Pinstripe 👍
@emilk.6431
4 жыл бұрын
Remo forever!
@thiagomanobatera
6 жыл бұрын
Pimstripe the best !!!
@sergioa.garcia7416
6 жыл бұрын
Pinstripe👌
@Twotontessie
2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny here’s proof they don’t sound much different but there’s something completely intangible in these decisions. Like for me I never liked the clear G2 - couldn’t explain it. Just felt all wrong. It was more than the sound.
@U2WB
5 жыл бұрын
Remo sounds way better to me
@deniskarlash
3 жыл бұрын
Remo❤️
@danlc95
5 жыл бұрын
These heads sound so loose that they sound flappy. No tone. Personally, I like a "taut" 2 ply head. I never play anything loose. I like the shell to be involved in coloring the sound.
@peteshifter
5 жыл бұрын
I can understand that. But as you can see, the top head is tuned at 183 Hz, quite much tighter than Dennis Chambers' 154 Hz. Also Tony Smith (Lou Reed's drummer) tunes his 12" at 165 Hz. If my head sounds flappy, what about theirs ?
@danlc95
5 жыл бұрын
@@peteshifter - No idea. I'm just going by the sound that's being produced. It could be a seating issue. When the bearing edge is in true contact with the film, the drum should exhibit true tone - even at lower tunings. Curious if you are able to depress the film over any part of the bearing edge.
@peteshifter
5 жыл бұрын
That's the point of the Tune-Bot: having a head tension that is consistent everywhere. You can hit the head anywhere near the bearing, the frequency is exactly 183 Hz.
@danlc95
5 жыл бұрын
@@peteshifter - The tune bot measures frequency, but not head tension, or film/edge connection Anything that makes noise produces a resonant frequency. Remove the heads and they should still register on the tune bot.
@peteshifter
5 жыл бұрын
Ok, it seems you don't make the difference between a sound and a noise... And I'm pretty sure you've never used a Tune-Bot. Otherwise, you should know how difficult it is to get all the lugs to resonate at the same (pure) frequency. And that the head has to be positioned properly at the beginning and pressed in the center throughout the process. So it's just impossible for the head not to be in total contact with the shell. Please use your time to make you own perfect video and stop making me waste mine.
@etilcareh
6 жыл бұрын
Remo Pinstripe !
@chadschehin7193
2 жыл бұрын
G2 all the way
@justjimmy3154
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people commenting on which they prefer just do it because they are a Remo or a Evans guy.......
@icaldrum
6 жыл бұрын
G2
@lucho8274
3 жыл бұрын
Cualquier cosa !! Los parches no se prueban con gel de armónicos . Aprendan
@cutitshaveit
Жыл бұрын
Remo
@austing.8870
6 жыл бұрын
G2 sounds way better. Pinstripe puts out some weird overtones. And that's coming from a Remo guy.
@frags4679
3 жыл бұрын
Remo all the way
@henrydrummerini5848
6 жыл бұрын
Evans EC2SST the best
@АлексейИванов-ы6с
5 жыл бұрын
Evans
@brianchisnell1548
3 жыл бұрын
On quality drums. Ambassadors top and bottom. Done
@zachcline7555
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not
@raulayala6251
6 жыл бұрын
Eg2 is better than the remo some other might like remo but its a matter of opinion
@reyhanvivaldi9597
6 жыл бұрын
No difference
@gogo2957
6 жыл бұрын
Bit pointless you never tune SAME SAME. It is almost same sound G2 more overtones. But if you dont look you never make differents.
@peteshifter
6 жыл бұрын
You never tune same same? Maybe. Since I found the tuning I want, with the Tune-Bot I always keep the same values. Anyway, imagine this video with different head tunings. How do you compare?
@gogo2957
6 жыл бұрын
o.k good video !!!
@tillsommerdrums
5 жыл бұрын
both sound horrible. people need to stop to rely on tunebots and moon gel and start to learn how to tune a drum. it takes literally like 3 minutes at most to make a drum sound good. if you would have tuned them to something that actually sounds good and not to a number a small device told you, it would send much better
@peteshifter
5 жыл бұрын
This drumset lives in a studio. Many drummers used it and 100% complimented me on the sound. So I'm not going to change anything because a man with weird ears doesn't agree with my customers...
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