if its fast enough for chris, it's fast enough for everyone else
@ChrisSaddlerSam
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!!!
@matthewcoupeofficial
Жыл бұрын
On that analogy, if he said an Veyron was slow everyone would feel that way?
@nazimelon6653
8 жыл бұрын
150mph barely hear the engine. Thats how a saloon is supposed to be.
@the-boring-car-guy
4 жыл бұрын
A luxury saloon*
@mattysea7163
4 жыл бұрын
Deutsche Tech can make the diesel scream with a custom exhaust if you need some noise too.
@WillemJacobus1
11 жыл бұрын
It's so refreshing to watch an objective, intelligent review. Icons like Jeremy Clarkson and Tiff Needell tend to drown in their own bias, before they even attempt to look at a car fairly and objectively.
@benrollings6903
10 жыл бұрын
Big diesels are quick. The A5 3.0tdi Quattro sport is one of the fastest cars I've driven in the real world. 0-60 5.9 seconds and feels like it could sail past 155 without the limiter. It's spookily quite to and returns 40mpg easily.
@mbrofc
3 жыл бұрын
BMW X5 40 d (it’s a 30d) doing the same time as the Audi with awesome economy. 313hp 630nm torque. Kills the Porsche on performance.
@waifuracer6516
2 жыл бұрын
@@mbrofc in stock form. But these 3.0tdis can handle insane amounts of power on stock internals, and just a simple remap will get it to the same power as the bmw. If you upgrade the turbo and some fueling then you are looking at 400hp. All for about 1k which is not much considering you go from 240 to 400hp.
@richardhurr31
10 жыл бұрын
"Like taking a fat person to the beach, you shouldn't really do it." LOL
@AB-80X
10 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you just end up with Greenpeace showing up, trying to drag the whales back into the water. It's a right mess.
@WillemJacobus1
10 жыл бұрын
The only "resident evil" is the Jeremy Clarkson-induced bias which seems to enslave and mesmerise the British car lover. I salute you, Chris, for following your own mind and not being intimidated by popular opinion. A reviewer shouldn't be a bleating sheep, merely following the flock. It takes guts to give an honest, objective opinion. And that's why you remain my favourite critic and reviewer of cars- by far!
@w-james9277
9 жыл бұрын
I like the Panamera, its not the best looking but its also not ugly, its a great car made for people who love driving
@Pete762
9 жыл бұрын
Will James I thought it was ugly until I saw one on the road!! I liked it a lot since then!
@w-james9277
9 жыл бұрын
***** Same
@derbigpr500
10 жыл бұрын
The funniest thing is, it's usually the americans who claim certain cars are not fast enough, or that diesels are slow or not good enough, because in Europe we definitely don't think that, and sales statistics show that. And the reason it's funny is because they really have no experience to talk about either of those two things. They don't have experience in driving fast (since they have ridiculous speed limits and shittiest traffic culture in the world that makes you wanna shoot 5 people per minute while driving on their clogged up highways), or driving a car with a diesel engine. If diesels are fast enough for european roads, where people on average drive much, much faster than in the US, then they're sure as hell fast enough in the USA where most people slug along at 50 or 60 mph in their automatics while drinking coffe on really crappy highways or freeways with nowhere near the flatness or quality of surface as on the european highways.
@KeiDoesManyThings
10 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately true, though the reason why other Americans think they are slow or not good enough is because of past diesels. Also, diesels are more associated with semi-trucks and, unfortunately, pick-up trucks which both are known to spit out soot when they suddenly accelerate... which isn't pleasant if you're driving behind them or being a pedestrian. I also think that the speed limits are ridiculous... but then you drive with other people and you see why they'd push for slower speeds. Some people frankly can't drive properly. I can link you to a channel that specifically makes videos just by driving daily catching the bad drivers and most videos are longer than 10 minutes. Speed limits are also a way for police revenue, though I still don't get why we don't have our own autobahn with specific rules and a special license just to drive on it. Diesel cars aren't very popular all because of pricing. Buying a diesel car is more expensive than a gas/petrol powered cars and diesel prices is more expensive. They are also more costly to maintain so that's why most people don't buy them. I, though, would like to drive a diesel... if those factors wasn't so great.
@eurokid83
10 жыл бұрын
Ishikawa Masaki I agree diesel fuel is expensive, but if your getting 40+ MPG I would think that would offset at least some of the cost at the pump. Actually where I live diesel fuel is less expensive than premium gasoline by about 15 cents per gallon. Being American myself, and also working as a professional auto repair technician specializing in European automobiles I can firmly say the newer diesels are plenty fast and have very clean tailpipe emissions. For example the new VW TDI's are pretty quick and are as quiet as their gasoline powered models. And they get twice the mileage.
@KeiDoesManyThings
10 жыл бұрын
Chester Wardan Actually, diesel is cheaper than petrol/gasoline here in South Carolina AND Georgia. Maybe I should have gotten a turbo diesel.
@Veyronp87
10 жыл бұрын
LOL you are generalizing a nation of 350 million and an area larger than continental europe. some parts of the US have speed limits around 130 km/h which is higher than some parts of europe.
@MrBodi1
10 жыл бұрын
Veyronp87 agree but some parts of europe have no speed limits at all
@ramalhoalex
9 жыл бұрын
Chris, yes it is fast enough (at least for me...). I had a 535d for a few years. Now I have a Panamera diesel which feels faster than the the bmw. The torque is incredible. Build quality is excelent. Overall it´s the best car I've ever owned. I had a few fast cars (Z4 35i, E90 M3, jaguar XK, bmw 535d, megane RS etc...). None of them comes even close to the Porsche Panamera. Thank you for your videos. I really enjoy them.
@jameslovett8697
9 жыл бұрын
Alexandre Ramalho I just cry at the fact its a Diesel though. Nice list of cars btw :)
@ramalhoalex
9 жыл бұрын
Next will be a 991... :-)
@jameslovett8697
9 жыл бұрын
Ahhh what do u do for a living if I may ask?
@ramalhoalex
9 жыл бұрын
Medical doctor.
@stubones
8 жыл бұрын
+James Lovett The are various petrol engined versions, so please don't cry :)
@thethepete731
12 жыл бұрын
As a huge fan of diesels, this car makes me all fizzy in the pants. But I have to say, I love the fact that the reviewers seem to be taking a step back from the internet numbers race, and acknowledging that these cars are plenty fast enough, and that we're chasing numbers that are way beyond what they need to be anyway. Plus, 150mph, and 40mpg? C'mon, why the hell not? Throw a straight exhaust on it and just adore that diesel grunt.
@derbigpr500
10 жыл бұрын
And yes, sure it's fast enough. 6.5 sec? That's fast enough to push you far back into the seat. It's faster than any hot hatchback for fuck sakes, it's faster than a Golf GTI, Megane RS, Focus ST...and does anyone ever go inside a hot hatchback and says "man, its too slow"? Nope...haven't met one yet, people usually go crazy about how fast they feel. And it being a diesel, full acceleration doesn't show the half of it's performance. Diesels are about in-gear performance from low and mid revs, not 0-60. Take a petrol engine with 6.5 to 60, and this diesel will feel and will be MUCH faster in gear, during overtaking, accelerating at high speeds, accelerating onto the highway, etc...pretty much real world stuff. And the low pitched noise that it makes adds to the sensation of acceleration, because you simply aren't used to be pushed forwards at such pace without the engine screaming at high revs like in petrol cars.
@cameroncoe8827
10 жыл бұрын
Fully agree and I'd add that the in gear power is largely down to the high torque diesel engines make at low revs.
@bhagat6127
2 ай бұрын
things have changed
@sherman3211
11 жыл бұрын
Not fast enough for a Porsche? It will crush a Cayenne V6, probably would give the Panamera V6 a run too.
@nickylarson4283
8 жыл бұрын
I still don't get why buying an expensive Porsche and choose the diesel version to "save money". When it comes to these kind of car, the depreciation is way more important than the fuel cost anyway...
@atos.nympha3451
8 жыл бұрын
It matter of choice
@atos.nympha3451
8 жыл бұрын
It matter of choice
@TGShunai
8 жыл бұрын
+Nicky Larson Maybe it's not to save money, but if you spend let's say, 3k miles a month in it, you might want to have to fill it up less times a week/month?
@zibi1988pl
8 жыл бұрын
+Nicky Larson There are some of us that love Turbo diesels great option to have here with a Porsche.
@atos.nympha3451
8 жыл бұрын
+zibi1988pl well said!
@danielsan3681
8 жыл бұрын
I love everything about this car! :)
@c1bersnake
10 жыл бұрын
Am i the only one who thinks the Panamera is beautiful?
@AB-80X
10 жыл бұрын
No.
@Ghostystuff
10 жыл бұрын
nope
@lukasolsgarden
10 жыл бұрын
Nonono
@MatthijsOkhuizen
10 жыл бұрын
The new model, yes!
@mojondro
6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely no,i think is quite cool
@martinwhite6770
4 жыл бұрын
i have the later 2014 300hp model and it drives really well and on a run up to Whitby it got an incredible 52mpg. i have to agree it handles great and i think looks great and the interior quality is top notch. my main gripe is it has a 40gb juke box but you cannot load cd's straight into it (like my old X3 35d) but you have to put it all on a usb first, very frustrating:-( so i tend to use spotify
@durusveritas
2 жыл бұрын
I have the same car, I just wished the panamera 970 would have gotten the Diesel S engine V8 like the Cayenne had. That would have been brilliant
@mikers73
12 жыл бұрын
Chris, you get to the root of what the car is about and how it may or may not appeal to a real car enthusiast. You cannot be thanked enough for the honest opinions, general hooning, and showing overall fervor for all that you do. Thank you.
@bicyclist2
4 жыл бұрын
If I had the money, I'd buy one. Unfortunately I'd have to go to Europe or UK because we didn't get it here in the US. Thanks.
@AgentSmith911
7 жыл бұрын
Modern diesels are amazing
@DGRWPF
11 жыл бұрын
tell that to my friends. They all drive 1.9/2.0 TDIs. They always tell me how good they are with they high torque and good economy and they always make fun of my little Clio RS 200. You don't wanna know what happened when we went for a drive in the mountains.
@Beer_Dad1975
10 жыл бұрын
I have a bit of a soft spot for the Panamera - I thought it was ugly too until I saw one in person. Having said that, I'm not interested in an oil burning version - 0-100 in well over 6 seconds and standing 1/4 in around 15 seconds really is too slow for something so expensive that you can't really do much to improve. I'm too used to having something vastly faster. So yeah, for me personally, Chris is wrong.
@bighands69
9 жыл бұрын
There are people out there that could be buying a similar type of diesel for the same money as the Panamera and they would be happy with the speed. If you are not happy with the speed then you would go for the likes of a Cayman or 911 but depending on your budget. Me and my wife want a new family car and we are considering the Panamera Diesel. My sports car is a RS5 and we have a Toyota for a family car already that we are going to keep. There are many people out there like me who want a nice family sports car and there are many options and Porsche is one of those option which it was not 10 years ago.
@Beer_Dad1975
9 жыл бұрын
bighands69 Absolutely, everyone has different requirements - I don't doubt that you'd get a lot of enjoyment out of one if you do buy it, it's just not for me . Not that I could afford one anyway, we only have space and budget for 2 cars, so my wife has the super practical Toyota SUV (which she loves anyway) and I have an Aussie Ford Falcon Turbo - which isn't too impractical other than the bad economy, but given the power it has it's not even too hard on fuel.
@eternalblue2119
9 жыл бұрын
Well he got given the car to use for a few months. Would you want to give that up when a new car come out?
@bighands69
9 жыл бұрын
Matthew Sharpe For 99% of families the diesel Panamera is fast enough and for those that want faster they could easily buy a 40k Porsche Cayman if they looked. The cars you have are not a bad choice. You could probably do better performance wise than the Falcon but then again it is about personal choice and you may love the Falcon.
@Stryke607
8 жыл бұрын
where are you driving it that this is too slow for you?
@nl3712
5 жыл бұрын
PLEASE, please, please kill the goddamn awful background music.
@JacksonCamel
12 жыл бұрын
He loves to press the button on the gear stick~~ : )
@DEADmetal3
12 жыл бұрын
I believe that it has pleasant, refined and precise handling but i put my car as a benchmark, which is BMW E36 328i and which is quicker making the Panamera diesel an unworthy Porche. I think that it's an excelent benchmark which tells us that Panamera diesel lacks peak power.
@Gavin756
12 жыл бұрын
I love cars that blend performance with economy, great video!
@benjamindoyle668
7 жыл бұрын
I crack up upon noticing that Milbrook is where Fifth Gear drove the Panamera Diesel on Team Test and HATED it. At 10:50--when Chris notes that he 'loves the way it steers', I think back to when Tiff trashed the car's chassis due to its porky diesel engine. Perhaps it's a matter of perspective--I'm not sure what Chris was driving before this, or what Tiff was slinging around before he hopped into the Panamera--but I just think it's funny. Nothing wrong with different opinions however.
@PorscheSweden
10 жыл бұрын
Porsche should have the new Diesel S engine in the Panamera, 385 bhp, 850 nm.
@nikosmanoliadis6740
11 жыл бұрын
No, the 911 is a 2+2. Which means the rear seats are useless.
@Baerchenization
10 жыл бұрын
I don't wear a helmet on the Autobahn - am I crazy or what? ;)
@TheStig.
12 жыл бұрын
u should do the exact same test with a Jag XJ and see what u think coz i think that is absolutelt fantastic
@AB-80X
10 жыл бұрын
Anyone recognize what kind of watch he's wearing?
@jimfastlane28
9 жыл бұрын
Rolex Sub I think.
@MrExzyz
9 жыл бұрын
jimfastlane28 hes got pretty good taste then :)
@myyth146
9 жыл бұрын
Omega seamaster?
@danielkruger3716
7 жыл бұрын
no rolex
@AriGoldFox
5 жыл бұрын
Rolex submariner
@VossenWheels
11 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@HOSSMCGILLICUTTI
8 жыл бұрын
Owning, or buying a diesel sports car, or wagon tells people that you indeed have money, probably old money. You didn't scrimp and save your money to buy a yuppie style M3, Porsche 911 ST or even more often, a new Corvette convertible. Which scream out to people "ive got big money and a small penis". No! I have so much money that i could care less what others think of my cars or me. For instance, i was a contractor. I pull in the driveway to give an estimate on a new fireplace, when i see a Mercedes e55 amg wagon and a Audi rs parked there. My estimate doubled from then on.
@Stryke607
8 жыл бұрын
So many questions ... What is a "911 ST" ? And "you could care less" ? Means you actually do care? Finally, the last E55 AMG is fairly old by now, are you sure that's a sign of money? I think it is rather a sign of the lack of it ...
@MrTremaine182
7 жыл бұрын
Also, he charges wealthier people double, which means he is a dishonest, jealous piece of shit who I would never want to work with.
@JohnMcILwraith
Жыл бұрын
I must import one to British Columbia Canada. I appreciated the drive you took us on. I love an honest and reasoned look at why some who can clearly drive and loves to drive (and you sir my friend in deed can drive) can with out reservation point out why a diesel in this car makes so much sense. You showed that the 1/4 mile is amazing for what we in Canada call a 4 door sedan, and that it can get uo to speed, and most of off all and typical of diesel engines is the low end available torque. It might not be fist out of the gate but it will leave many V6 and V8's behind when chugging up a mountain side at only 2500 rpm. I drive from Vancouver to several places on the coastal Islands, and back east on the other side of the Rockies. This car was made to be driven in the Coastal Mountains, and up down and through the thousands of miles in the Canadian Rockies and down the highways on prairies under an endless blue sky from dawn till dusk, and well past twilight and a canopy of stars above. I drive a VW Passat Diesel, it and the Audi A6 / Allroad / Estate / Variant's from where this Panamera's engine was "poached" from are excellent for cruising and long hual trips where it sips on diesel slowly like the queen does her tea. Why not put it in an executive cruiser with huge cargo room and torque / power where it matters to climb a half dozen mountain ranges before you need to pull over and sleep. If you are a Brit or Continental and you think it is solid and more than capable saloon for your narrow highways imagine being Canadian where in a good day you can drive 12 hours in any direction on mountain highways. To put it in perspective it would be like driving 12 hours in any direction on mountain passes in the Swiss Alps, but much of it far more challenging to drive than the Alps and petrol station are few and far between. A rock solid power plant with enough cargo and seating space to carry skies, fishing, hiking / camping gear, your dog and friends / family and it can get 40mpg... I would have no problem hooking up a trailer to this Panamera, or using it like it should be as a practical albeit exotic estate car / wagon. Add a roof rack and travel in style, winter, spring, summer, or fall. To sit that low, and blended with cabin and "cockpit" refinements, firm handling, and have the freight train like diesel torque and economy... Magnificent!
@bmwe92m
12 жыл бұрын
I'd consider myself a car enthusiast and I like how it looks. But I actually think it looks better in real life. It's got so much more presence and character than most of the other cars in its segment. If I was in the market for a Panamera as a daily driver and family car, I'd go for a 2nd hand S or Turbo model, though.
@olivergeorge9417
10 жыл бұрын
As someone thinking about a BMW 335d... i like diesel :P
@garyaustin6400
5 жыл бұрын
Oliver George I have a 335d which is stage 1 remapped an hits 60 in 4.5 seconds and 100 in around 10 seconds which is on another level to this porche!
@montyloughrey7533
3 жыл бұрын
Wonder where that could be hmm
@holden2260
28 күн бұрын
I love the panamera been looking at the diesel version for my daily but also has the same performance 05 commodore v6 ute which is ok but nothing compared to my old infiniti q50 hybrid which is half the price of the porsche 🤷
@dkphantomdk
7 жыл бұрын
diesel or gas engine, it doesnt really matter, its the performance output and the way an engine respond to the pedal that matters. I would pick a diesel if the cost to buy the car was the same as a petrol.. but the cost and other ongoing taxes to run a diesel here makes it to expensive, so saving money on fuel doesnt make up for the costs..
@MrFenrir1000
12 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video from Chris Harris. He is definitely one of the best in the biz. As to whether or not it's fast enough. It is, for what it is. For a big ass turbo diesel estate it's definitely fast enough. I think the problem people have with it is that when they think of Porsche, they dont think of diesel. The loads of torque plus the mpg are good for this car. If they put this engine in say a 911, then I would call it heinous, but for the Panamera it's a great idea
@uhugvjkbkjh
10 жыл бұрын
6.5 sec? I think the latest one is around 6 dead. Thats pretty bloody fast for a big diesel. Fastest car I owned(10 yrs ago) was a pre cat Maser 222e (5.6 to 60) and that was plenty.
@stevenbennett3922
Ай бұрын
Chris. People who usually say it is not fast enough to be a Porsche are usually scratch golfers when sat in their armchair sat at home watching the golf.
@markwalker3554
10 жыл бұрын
the panamera has always been the red headed step child of porsche's they look the worst and they are not the fastest just not my type of Porsche to drive and sadly I don't own one myself but I have driven my dads 911 was awesome
@Chris.Davies
12 жыл бұрын
I have absolutely no problem with any powerplant Porsche choose to install in any vehicle. What I object to is Wendelin Wiedeking insisting that his freakish body be comfortable in the back of the Panamera. It looks like the despicable Austin Maxi, of which my family had TWO! (Dear God!) It could have been such a great looking car, with adequate seating for six-footers in the back. You should put tall people in the front, FGS! Let's cross out fingers that the new 928/coupe is a thing of beauty
@DimZ_F1
12 жыл бұрын
The Panamera is pretty ugly...imo VW group should have made this car under audi badge and not porsche.It seems that they have changed porsches priorities from producing sport,very fast,nice sounding-looking cars to suvs and estates,targeting a different kind of buyers.I don't like it but money makes the world go arround...
@mick123789
12 жыл бұрын
Not saying which is better but panamera diesel £62,000, 535d £42,000. I see why porsche have made a diesel but cant see why anyone would buy the diesel. If you are spending 60k plus on a car does economy really matter? Its not like the market is in short supply of exec diesel cars. Very good offerings from BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes and Audi.
@ilyapekelny4965
3 жыл бұрын
Leave the numbers! "Power sliding on a diesel Panamera" is the hyping topic! First, ok, I never could assume that you can do that long and consistent power slide on a Panamera, even the top performance ones. But then, it is the diesel one! A huge, stock, obviously automatic luxury saloon on a diesel power is sliding like e36. That is mean!
@acronus
11 жыл бұрын
You own 9 premier cars, and like to brag about them in an anonymous You Tube comment section, but lack a single video of said cars on your channel........ Cool story bro. BTW, I don't have to own a Panamera before having the right to say I don't like the way it looks. Do I need to own a piece of artwork before having an opinion about how it looks? Do I need to own your mother before having an opinion on whether she's ugly or hot? Nice try defending the Monkfish car though.
@MotorsportsHome
12 жыл бұрын
Oh nooo. I don't like the Panamera! And now they put a diesel engine in the Panamera. Porsche please wake up. That's shit! You like the Nordschleife? Visit my channel and watch my FULL HD video. It will be worth it! :-)
@240fxst
8 жыл бұрын
Harris, I understand you need the sponsorship of porsche.....4 doors, diesel, turbo, auto. Definitely Rubbish. Please share what you are truly good at that is sharing your unbiased opinion on great cars. Not this economy minded 4 door saloon that carries people who can't drive sticks and just wants to go get a gallon of milk with the porsche badge wearing their polo emblemed shirts. Definitely a posers car on the top of the list.
@dgbourdon1325
Жыл бұрын
if it's good enough for you Mr H, it's deffo good enough for me! I am buying one in 2023 and I am thinking it will still be a stonker!
@sshhaassaamm
12 жыл бұрын
OOOO R18
@VantageCigarretes
12 жыл бұрын
That's nonsense. People spend this kind of money on the car is giving shit about economy. Economy is good when driving small car in the city, not a competitor for the A8 and S class.
@walperstyle
12 жыл бұрын
I love how the vast majority of the comments are from people that have never driven one. Internet Generation, spreading someone else's life experience. GET YOUR OWN!
@Wolvesq
10 жыл бұрын
I became a big believer in diesels after trying the VW v6 TDI in their Audi line. V8 torque with hybrid fuel mileage? Yes please.
@240fxst
8 жыл бұрын
Fast is a relative statement.....compared to, wait for it....another diesel? This car is not at all designed for any specific purpose but to accommodate the posers of the world. Rubbish.
@roboman3678
12 жыл бұрын
i would have it looks like a winner in my book nearly 160 on flat ground and it is almost as quick as a bmw 525D right impressive hope they do a diesel 911 or 918
12 жыл бұрын
Chris, what is that speedometer app u got? its awesome! I don't have a car (cus live in London), but I will use that on the bus next time I head to uni lol
@Kaiaskey
12 жыл бұрын
Great review Chris, I think what came through here is that Porsche can breathe life into any engine (whatever it's underlying characteristics) and that the Panamera has great dynamics (chassis + electronics).
@magna59
9 жыл бұрын
The only conversation you need to have over diesel , is it ' s cal value , gram to gram for everything else that you can get in liquid or gas form off a forecourt ............ the rest just comes round to engineering to cope with that advantage & the tail pipe output .
@FATMIKED5183
11 жыл бұрын
They still make a ton of power so they must obviously burn alot of fuel.The f1 cars were turning something like 20,000 rpms.So how can you rev an engine to the moon and not use much fuel?
@alexanderlieven7747
9 жыл бұрын
It might be a very good car, but aesthically it´s a horribly botched mockup of the Bugatti EB 112, what?
@AskedMountain
9 жыл бұрын
The Panamera is so ugly I know it's a good car but what whas Porsche thinking trying to make a 4 door car resemble a 911.
@KHYANDER
11 жыл бұрын
No, You're right. We're all different. Me for one thinks the best looking cayenne was the first incarnation but only the turbo S version, and it was a capable vehicle. 5200 lbs towing capability, 4.8 0-60, 5 person carrying capacity and true off-road capabilty given what a set of tires that could take a nearly 3 ton car 4.8 to 60 could do. And everyone thinks it's ugly. So you have a point. But seriously though, if a prius is hideous, then what is that new fiat abarth 500?
@KHYANDER
11 жыл бұрын
So as with a select handful of great driving cars, why do they disregard the, "LOOKS NICE OR AT LEAST NOT HIDEOUS" box. At the end of the day you buy bmws, benzs and porsches to impress. For all the boxes you ticked, a prius, then, is a pretty great car in your opinion. Porsche pretty much said "we're gonna design an ugly car and see how many people deny the fact that it's ugly or say they like the design".
@acronus
11 жыл бұрын
Better in what respect? The A8 and 7 series are more luxurious, faster, and have a less polarizing look. I've learned not to judge a cars appearance by using pictures or video, as pictures usually don't do a car justice. But, after seeing enough Panamera's on the road and at dealerships, I personally find them to be quite ugly. I do not like the stretched 911 look. It didn't work in the Cayenne, and it doesn't work here either.
@notsocialatall
11 жыл бұрын
And this is not a proper Porsche. Porsche has always been a Sports- and Race Car manufacturer. That's what they are best at. Not that long ago Porsche said that there will never be a 4-Door Porsche. Look what they came up with a few years later. I will never accept neither the Panamera nor the Cayenne as real Porsches, no matter how good they are. They are just overpriced and uglier Audis to me. You're better off buying an A7 or A8. Much cheaper, way better looking and just as good.
@homer23422000
11 жыл бұрын
I don't get why people think this car is ugly when it looks like the 911 and the Boxter. I also don't get how Porsche has been able to use the same basic design for the 911 since the 60s without getting criticized about it. I'm a Corvette fan and I can't believe that Porsche wanted to use a diesel engine in their car. I'm calling it that Aston Martin will be next to use a diesel engine.
@quintics
11 жыл бұрын
yea but my benz is like 13 years old...a similar inline six BMW F10 535i highly outperforms it in terms of straight-line performance. And secondly, this may be hard to convey over a youtube comment, but since we are discussing the tolerance of diesel cars in porsche, we have to be non-discriminant about comparing diesel vs petrol. Even if I am comparing my gas merc to the diesel porsche, we have to take that out of the equation because we are debating whether it is ok for porsche to have diesel.
@Donbernie
11 жыл бұрын
Because an air based ride offers you a lot more possibilities. The magnetic ride system is a good thing, no question, but it can only change the viscosity of the damping fluid and so the damping within the boundries magnets off (normal fluid damping) and completely on ( high damping). With air you can react faster and more precise to any given driving condition, because you dont have these boundries and nearly no inertia (compared to a damping fluid).
@stanczyk11111
11 жыл бұрын
..We all like his reviews but .. come on ...!?! it's a luxury / prestige car and it's ugly -> which is bad ! i'ts Nouveu-riche 4-door Por$ch -> which is bad ! and it's a diesel -> .. bad ! botch nouveu-riche: Panamejra + Cayenne is probably sth above 70% of brands sales .. sane person will say : that's a $ellout ! ... If this car would be 2-door coupe(modern 928) it would be a different story .. ... Chris You are wrong ! :)
@jobicek
11 жыл бұрын
Fastest production diesel? You don't know that much about cars, do you? This is 184 kW engine in a big, heavy car. Audi has 230 kW V6 in A6 and 258 kW V8 in A8. And used to make Q7 V12 TDI that produced 370 kW. That BMW was lighter (by more than 200 kg AFAIK) and produced 200 kW (210 later). Performance of Panamera Diesel is really impressive given the weight and power. Also Porsche has done some work on the Audi V8 TDI and squeezed out 281 kW - you can buy this engine in Cayenne for now.
@ntnchua
11 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. Of course the Panamera Diesel is fast enough as a car. That doesn't, however make it fast enough to be a big Porsche. Being a Porsche, it has an expectation burdened on it to be faster than your "rather quick" German saloon; it's up against the likes of the Quattroporte and AMGs and BMW Ms. These will easily do 155mph, more if delimited. This, in comparison is as fast as a BMW 535d. A BMW without an M on it. Far from it. For a Porsche, in my opinion, that is sacrilege.
@MADelectriCITY
11 жыл бұрын
Most LEDs "flicker" on and off at a rate of about 60hz per second and your watching this video that was filmed near 24-30fps. You see it very easily in video because the camera and LEDs are not in sync. You can also see it normally if the LEDs are moving or if you move something in front of them. Take something with an LED and wave your hand fast in front of it and look through your fingers.
@851995STARGATE
12 жыл бұрын
No man, in a couple of years they F1 is going to be completely electric, and pit stops are going to quick charges and rolling resistance tire switches and its going to be stupid as hell, they are already practically hybrids, the point of the sport was to advance technology and speed and now it is able to surge huge amounts of money into the pockets of everyone in the FIA deuchbags that ruined the sport and made it less of a competitive racing and the dump money into Bernie Ecclestone
@xXHEELTOEXx
12 жыл бұрын
They're switching to 1.6L engines for the "eco-friendly and cost effective " factor... Also...Your info is partially false...Short stroke+Large bore=Higher revving engine. Best possible comparison(that I can think of)to explain this effectively...The Nissan KA24DE vs the SR20DET. Smaller engines do rev more easily, however that isn't the reason why F1 engines are small. F1 engines are small because of regulation. If they were unregulated, you'd be seeing 22,000-27,000RPM , 4.0L, V8s by now.
@negmatinik
12 жыл бұрын
This Diesel-powered Panamera sports sedan is weighting around 4100 lbs. So, why wouldn't it compare to a 535d? These are not sports car; these are large sports sedan that can comfortably carry 4 passengers and their belongings. They can both get to 60MPH in less than 6.5 secs and to 100MPH within 15.5 secs while returning decently good fuel mileage. IMO, that's pretty good. If one really needs more performance, then one buys an actual sports car or some rubber-burning muscle/pony car.
@MrMonKevy
12 жыл бұрын
I will say this, only those who had driven a good diesel know what Chris is on about. Diesel feel fast and if you're daily driving it day in day out around the city doing 0-30mph, and putting number aside, I can say that it is going to be a better choice. I though American always diss Japanese motor because of their torque-less 4 banger and when a 320d have almost as much torque as a M3, the logic doesn't hold anymore?
@771bjy
12 жыл бұрын
Being a 'sportscar maker', I think its reasonable to expect a Porsche to have excellent performance for the money. If you compare a £62k Porsche diesel 4 door sedan to a £62k BMW M550d 4 door sedan you find the Porsche number underwhelming. More than underwhelming, they are mediocre, and a Porsche should never be mediocre. I love Porsches, I love Panameras but how could you justify it over the BMW?
@DrakorGaet
12 жыл бұрын
Actually, you are wrong. The slowest one on sale is the Cayenne Diesel. It has the same engine as the Panamera, but due to its weight and chassis it`s over a second slower. Also, there is already a new Diesel version. It`s a 4,2l V8 with 385 bhp and a 0-60 time of 5,7 sec and unbelievable 850 NM. It is only available in the Cayenne right now, but the Panamera will get it later on and you can be sure that it`ll prove its worth. Anyways, if you don`t like it, don`t buy it. Problem solved.
@Shark00n1337
12 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but I think you're wrong Chris. I don't think the Panamera is fast enough, not because it's not as fast as an equivalent diesel BMW but simply because it's the slowest Porsche you can buy today. The car is not fast enough for the Porsche badge. I don't specially like Porsche, but I think if they were making a diesel option, particulary because it caused such a fuss, it should be faster, it should be amazing, both in speed and usability. It should be Porsche's philosophy in diesel form
@Xantosh82
12 жыл бұрын
wow reading these comments all i can say is if you got nothing good to say then don't say anything, this car not only looks great, it has great performance with a very good economy when driving normally, to the Nay sayers about its engine, so what its a diesel, diesel engines dont need high revs cause of how efficient they are compared to petrol engines, and the fact diesel is better for the environment then petrols!
@scuderia11
12 жыл бұрын
not very many disadvantages. unlike many other adaptive settings in other manufacturers, Porsche does a very good job at differentiating between the three driver selected settings whereas the competition leaves them pretty vague. the problems arise at 10/10th driving where because of the adaptive steering and suspension the max limit on tire grip may not equal the max limit of suspension.
@scuderia11
12 жыл бұрын
no. currently most regulating legislators ban adaptive suspension in any form. for a moment there were a few systems being used in F1, but FIA banned them. the advantages and disadvantages all lie with whether or not you option PASM with PDCC as in a new 911 or the current gen PASM system in 2012 Pans. the new system includes electronically controlled anti-roll bars which means the system can automatically disconnect the anti-roll bars for smooth touring or go to max attack in sport+.
@DarrenCassey
12 жыл бұрын
...If you want to pound the track don't buy a Panamera and complain it's 'too slow'. Chris loves the Panamera because it isn't a super quick insane track weapon, because you don't ALWAYS drive that way. He also loves his Passat. The A4 example I stand by, but it is a boring car, that I agree. As soon as I finish uni I'm saving for an Impreza or an RX7 or perhaps a Teg Type-R. But I'll probably still keep my diesel 306 for weekdays.
@DarrenCassey
12 жыл бұрын
Okay I feel I need to clarify my comment since I appear to have made the internet angry. I'm far from a tree hugger and I too hate 'beige' cars. What I'm saying is that for what the Panamera is really made for it doesn't NEED to be able to rape a GT3RS around the Nurburgring. And Porsche isn't letting itself down building a car like this. Current 911s are so epic partly down to the economic benefits of cars like the Cayenne...
@icemanroyal
12 жыл бұрын
this is all great, i agree the car is fast enough and should not be an issue. seems it drives well, styling is purely subjective. the one thing he dosen t talk about is the sound the car makes. I think the only complaint someone could put forth is that a diesel just dosent sound as sexy as a gas engine. also, if you can afford a Porsche, are you really all that worried about gas milage that you would buy a diesel in one? dosent make sense to me.
@Dominikmj
12 жыл бұрын
I am I am obviously very pleased, because Porsche is just my favorite car. If Porsche makes a Panamera and a Cayenne - why not also diesel versions, if they are good like that [I still stay with the sportier specimen of Porsche]. It is hilarious, when in the video the track of the GT-2 RS is overlaid by the sound of a diesel [still don't want to have this car :) ]. Now, Porsche, we like the Diesel, can you give us the 918? Quick!
@horvathandras156
12 жыл бұрын
Chris, I don't think you are completely right. The diesel Panamera is by no means a slow car or a bad car, but being a Porsche, it should have an engine that is powerful (for the weight it's moving) without question and an engine that destroys a powerful diesel Audi in a straight line. It should be a special diesel, not just some diesel. By the way, some of your American viewers might not know about the difference between US and UK gallons.
@madbikeboysins
12 жыл бұрын
Your daddy's A4 has less horsepower than a girly 600cc sports bike. And if you're asking why anyone needs fast cars, the answer would be analogous to explaining why it's neat to be able to see blue skies to a blind person. Volvo and Audi have people like you making nice beige cars for people like you. I'll stick to my old muscle cars, litre sports bikes, and fast german sport cars that the 1% of us live for.
@terps616
12 жыл бұрын
1. Porche should only make the 911: I disagree. A car company today simply cannot exist building one sports car. The revenues from the cayenne and panamera allow porsche to put more reasearch and development into making a 911. 2. The panamera diesel is too slow: I disagree. The point of this car is not performance. If you want that but the turbo or gts. Diesel engines provide great fuel economy and also give this car plenty power to get it around. personall, I would get a BMW, but thats just me
@DarrenCassey
12 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for approaching the stupid attitude towards big numbers, and whether certain manufacturers SHOULD build certain types of car. The world and economy etc changes and so priorities change. But most importantly, addressing the it's-not-fast-enough douchebags - my dad's 120bhp A4 has enough power and handling ability for 99% of driving and drivers. When do you ever need to get to 60 in less than 5 seconds or reach 150+? Its ridiculous. Well done Chris for putting your sensible hat on.
@Alex3349
12 жыл бұрын
The Panamera diesel is just adapted to the real world - where fuel efficiency and economy actually matters. 95% of people saying that this car - and the Cayenne Diesel for that matter - is to slow, are people who drive standard cars, claiming they know everything. Both cars are fast enough for everyday living and delivers 98% of the time. BTW great review Chris Harris - very refreshing / distinctive from many of the car-journalists that are still bitching. - ALEX
@TheCroatianKnight
12 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, stunning is not the opposite of ugly. Also, beauty is subjective. It is stunning TO YOU. To me, it is not very beautiful. The proportions of the car are quite odd; especially in comparison with the Maserati Quattroporte for example. But because of such design, the car has a high factor of presence and drama on the road. Does that make the car beautiful? TO ME, no. Does that make it a successful design? Absolutely.
@matkli88
12 жыл бұрын
I used to be a Panamera diesel hater after hearing the Tiff's opinion on it, but looks aside, I think Harris is right. In real world, the Panamera's speed is more than enough, and it has the benefit of gigantic fuel range. Doing 180+ mph in a Turbo when u're on a derestricted Autobahn is fun, but if you're on a long journey, want to get where u're going quickly and have to refuel every 300 miles - what's the point?
@MrComputerSaint
12 жыл бұрын
I feel people are sticking with the stigma that diesels are dirty, slow and boring. But Diesel power has come on a long way since it was only used in tractors. It's a quick car, 40+mpg - it's all good. Except I still can't get over those looks of it, the front has grown on me over the years but the rear just reminds me of a beached whale and who really wants to drive around in a beached whale?
@E4008B
12 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why so many of you are getting upset over his views on the car. As a daily car, do the 0-60 figures really matter in all honestly? The fact is this car has good economy, therefore a good range per tank, yet at the same time when you're driving normally, which is 99% of the time on the road, it has huge amounts of torque available from down low, endowing the car a muscular feeling. I bet none of you haters has ever tried a 6cyl twin-turbo diesel, because it is actually amazing.
@crzygutrsnobrdr
12 жыл бұрын
its practical, like how lambo wants to make a suv, and porsche making the cayanne, its practical, some people are loyal to companies, and would like to support there shit, but dont want to ride in a rought sports car everyday, the panamera is a car you can actucally live with, drive year round and will still have fun with, people want practical cars with teh way the worlds economy is, so whats wrong with whats practical?
@Logicalification
12 жыл бұрын
Valid point on the premium engine cost over a gas engine, and thus, costing more money for many years until the fuel savings add up. I think that point is only important on cheaper cars, though. People buying Porsches will spend $2k for special stitching on a seat. Noise and vibration isn't really an issue with the modern diesels, and it can't sound worse than a V6 Panamera. Plus, you can drive hundreds of miles without filling up. And gas engines with similar MPG are gutless. D=torque.
@LamboGallardo560
12 жыл бұрын
What I want to know about all the people that say this car isn't fast enough is this: how many of them have anywhere near enough money to buy one at all? Actually, how many of them are even old enough to own any car? It seems to me that the vast majority of people that say negative things about cars online aren't in any position to own those exact cars so what they think means absolutely nothing. The fact is this car will sell, a lot, and pay for "proper" Porsches like the 918 and 458-fighter.
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