I like the Terratec version of the Doom and PoP better. Very meaty sound. Great restoration! Thanks.
@michaelkreitzer1369
3 жыл бұрын
That AD synth sounds bloody great to my ears! Maybe I forgot to wear my nostalgia headphones, but it's a clear improvement to the OPL3. :)
@Redled_Original
3 жыл бұрын
Low-Pass Filter on the Chip.
@joshhiner729
2 жыл бұрын
Same. It sounds much improved 👍
@poorlydrawnstickman1660
3 жыл бұрын
I love how the AD card sounds... more than OPL3!!
@EgonOlsen71
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, I prefer the FM sound of the AD-chip over the OPL3's.
@BadManiac
3 жыл бұрын
Great job, glad you managed to save one of them! I'll never understand the scrappers getting 1 cent of gold out of a 20 dollar (or sometimes 200 dollar) retro card... I actually like the FM synth, it's different, but good different unlike some really bad ones. Sorta kinda want one of these now... But from now on, when testing FM synth devices... MONKEY ISLAND! ;)
@senilyDeluxe
3 жыл бұрын
Even worse, a couple of years ago an Arcade went out of business and some idiots broke in and smashed *everything*. The Simpsons Arcade machine would've brought a couple thousamd Euros, smashed for a few cents worth of copper and the fun of destroying stuff. And there were over 100 machines in there.
@tarron3237
2 жыл бұрын
@@senilyDeluxe wow, stuff like that really makes me mad. I know you shouldn't wish for bad things to happen to someone.. but sometimes it's hard not to.
@ratos74
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This kind of video are my favorites! I've got a big pile of mb's and cards too!
@chrisducati26
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work Very demanding operation!
@Megatog615
3 жыл бұрын
weird seeing a card sit halfway in the 16-bit part of the ISA port
@homelessEh
2 жыл бұрын
i remember having an aztec combo card sound blaster 16 fax/dialup modem on the old pentium mmx back in the day
@raelik777
2 жыл бұрын
I definitely prefer the AD synth to the OPL3. Personally, of all the PC Yamaha synth chips, the OPNA on the PC-9801-86 sound board for the NEC PC-98 series (also found built-in to the PC-9821 A-Mate and C-Mate machines) is the only one I really like.
@devikwolf
2 жыл бұрын
E1M1 on this card still sounds better than an AWE32. The AWE32 is a great card but it farts its way through E1M1.
@SailorLoonie
3 жыл бұрын
The scrappers actually cut the board? That's brutal and sad to see :c
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I saw ebay articles, where people sold 10kg of retro hardware all with cut off edge connectors, which were sold in a separate offer. So instead of selling the stuff as is and get 200-300€, they destroyed everything and sold the scrap for total of 15€. Damn idiots.
@simontay4851
2 жыл бұрын
I think the FM synth of this card sounds worse in doom but better in duke 3D. In Doom this card sounds more distorted and harsh compared to opl3. In Duke 3D opl3 sounds worse.
@copescale9599
2 жыл бұрын
Terratec sounds nicer
@homelessEh
2 жыл бұрын
nerdasmr
@enforcex
2 жыл бұрын
Yamaha sounds much better
@MrJonathanj1981
3 жыл бұрын
Seeing old hardware being restored is better then most ASMR videos on KZitem =) Keep up the amazing work, I really enjoy watching, and learning from you!
@TheSnaiku
3 жыл бұрын
strangely enough the Ad18max10J sounds better in DOOM for my ears. Its like 80's heavy metal vs nowadays nu-metal ;)
@CPUGalaxy
3 жыл бұрын
The best retro-repairing channel on youtube!! thanks for this great video. cheers, Peter
@ToTheGAMES
3 жыл бұрын
I actually quite like how it sounds :D
@PJBonoVox
3 жыл бұрын
Nice work dude. The legit Yamaha sounds more nostalgic, but I really like the sound of the audio on this card. It sounds a little more 'present'.
@Shmbler
3 жыл бұрын
Repair neglated and worthless old hardware just for the challenge and satisfaction when seeing it running again? I'm totally sold for this kind of content. Great work!
@tarron3237
2 жыл бұрын
It's not worthless! 😄
@Shmbler
2 жыл бұрын
@@tarron3237 Of course, which is why I also spend way too much time on repairing this kind of stuff ;--)
@mimnunvav1mimnunvav195
2 жыл бұрын
Great work, Super to hear and see a product which was seen as a crap is functioning again very effectively as brand new. Keep up the good work.
@Inject0r
3 жыл бұрын
I think I’m not speaking for only myself when I say: WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE! *keeps on cheering*
@NiPPonD3nZ0
3 жыл бұрын
More... More... Moooooore :-) I do repair some stuff in this way too... I should start a channel too... Maybe in portuguese, there is not much content in Portuguese :-)
@archibaldschlick1
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you and good job as always. Love the fact that you repaired it just for the challenge. I was surprised how good (but different) it was sounding in the end.
@ncot_tech
3 жыл бұрын
It's always surprising how much abuse hardware can take and still be repairable. Trying to cut the connectors off for the tiny amount of gold plating on them is really stupid though, I didn't know people did that. Also I know exactly what you mean about making videos about repairing things taking more time than the repair itself! It's really hard cutting down hours of soldering and fiddling about into something people will spend more than five minutes watching.
@catriona_drummond
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome job! Transplanting the whole amplification circuit was something else. I do like the sound of the card actually, it's different, sometimes better sometimes worse but we should definitely not just preserve the mainstream stuff. And the extra "guitar" distortion in Doom was excellent actually.
@BlackAdder4Ever
2 жыл бұрын
The FM sound of TT1816-S is clearly different from OPL, but it still sounds nice. I've heard much worse implementations of FM sound, especially on cheap PCI sound cards from later era...
@PavelUrusov
3 жыл бұрын
Very impressive restoration! Your channel is excellent and deserves more subscribers.
@thereallantesh
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love watching your repair videos. Salvaging the parts from the destroyed PCB, and then adding the amplifier circuitry as well to the restored card was really fascinating. It is so satisfying to see something turn from scrap to an almost new looking fully functional piece. Your repair skills are incredible.
@atheatos
3 жыл бұрын
I have never seen that much rust before. Great restorations!
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I was not sure, if I'd be able to get it running in the end and was really surprised, as it got initialized :D
@dolphhandcreme
3 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware had a voodoo 2 with a halfway torn off TMU chip yesterday, desoldered the chip, straightened all ~160 pins and resoldered it. Guess what: To my surprise, it was working again! Those old hardware-bits are as hard to destroy as a terminator! Except harddisks ...
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
@@dolphhandcreme Don't know, if you saw my Voodoo repair video already, may be you like it too :)
@dolphhandcreme
3 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware yes, totally forgot this was from you. Great work 👍 I'm always happy to see people do such kind of low level repairs and safe old hardware from the dumpster!
@ivankintober7561
2 жыл бұрын
its not terrible...just sound different...Analog devices don't use yamaha chips or use any of its instruments...they made their owned version FM synth that mostly on every sound card with today motherboards now days ...its just much more advance sounding than 8bit yamaha 262...now this how ealry 90's begin its MIDI WARS...WHO DOES SOUND BETTER ??? wish this have continue on after cd/mp3 era format songs....cause i believe midi would had advance further like edirol did with its roland hyper canvas with interesting instruments...LEAST N64 keep the dream alive as last advance midi high poly 32bit synthesizer, they would about to do 64bit synth for next up coming console
@ayan.debnath
2 жыл бұрын
I wish to repair my 1st IBM PC-XT computer motherboard and components.
@matthewday7565
2 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the cut one just needed some glue and 5 bodge wires, probably easier than moving all those parts
@kjrchannel1480
2 жыл бұрын
I would happily give PC scrappers a boot to the head for destroying perfectly good hardware.
@dintyshideaway9505
3 жыл бұрын
That's cool, because I remember Doom as it sounded on the Analog Devices card. Even after all this time, I can tell the difference. I had a Media Vision ProAudio Spectrum 32 sound card.
@Nevakonaza.
2 жыл бұрын
This was great, really enjoyed watching the card get restored but also modified to make it better!
@smtkr
2 жыл бұрын
The AD18max10J sounds better to my ears
@recordeer8282
2 жыл бұрын
Ah. Another piece of computer history well preserved! Your work is much appreciated, mate!
@cpopte
2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed ! I like the content. But please for God's sake...use FLUX on those smd resistors/capacitors. That solder blob is horrific. Great job ! More flux !
@necro_ware
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, if you love flux, you should watch following video. I used so much flux there, that every flux fetishist will scream in ecstasy ;) Have fun! kzitem.info/news/bejne/1I2a1pZrpqmQrYY
@eg1885
3 жыл бұрын
To my ear the repaired card actually sounds closer to what I had in those days which I think was an ESS Audiodrive
@omfgbunder2008
3 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing, its not the worst SB clone I've heard 🤣
@johnrickard8512
2 жыл бұрын
Those audiodrive chipsets are surprisingly good too
@MrVipeg
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this video. It turned out really great: commendable intention to save the card, good work and really nice music. Very satisfying. Great job. But it is a bit unfortunate you can't share all the repairs with us. It is understandable that cutting and releasing videos is time consuming. But I (we) will very appreciate if you could ,say, film more repair videos and then group them in one cutting/editing batch to save some time. It could be like repair-a-thon video. But thanks anyway.
@darthtripedacus1
3 жыл бұрын
Love this type of work. I used to go trash picking to build and upgrade my PC
@hotplatelabs
3 жыл бұрын
Does that game port have metal all the way around the pins too?? I’ve never seen that before.
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
yes, looks cool IMHO
@CallumRepairs
5 ай бұрын
Awesome job bringing this worthless old sound card back to life. Repairs like these are my favourite; where stuff that isn't worth fixing is fixed anyway. Why not? As you say.
@agevenisse3252
2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I have the newer Terratec Base-1, with the AD1816AJS chip. I'm not sure if it has the same FM implementation, but it's the weak point of the card. It sounds off and kind of distorted in some games (regardless of volume). PCM playback (SB Pro compatible) is good though. The Base-1 has a wavetable connector as well.
@aleksandrbmelnikov
Жыл бұрын
I remember doing a small gold finger mod for IRQ bank changing of a PCI sound card. Stupid Asus motherboard allocated same IRQ to every slot (bad mapping table in BIOS). After this, i could select any one of the four (A, B, C, or D). Oh, the fun times of custom IRQ mapping.
@dabombinablemi6188
Жыл бұрын
Yeah...I have to agree with the sentiment that this soundcard's midi implementation sounds better than OPL3. To me it is better than my 440BX-2's YMF740C and ESFM on my AudioDrive and Solo-1/1e.
@nickwallette6201
3 жыл бұрын
IMO, OPL3 is hugely overrated. Well... OK, technically "OPL2" is overrated, since hardly anything took advantage of the OPL3 features. Yamaha OPL2 always sounded pretty crap to me. TTTHHHBBBPPPT BRRRWWWWwwwwoommommm Yeah, we're really missing out without that. 😒 I mean yeah "authenticity" blah blah... whatever. It's time to make room for superior FM synthesis, IMO.
@Roxor128
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, it sounds pretty good for FM guitars, especially Doom E1M1. Different from Yamaha's implementation, sure, but still pretty good. I wouldn't mind a playback program with the option to switch what FM chip it's emulating and let you hear what a given FM piece of music sounded like on different old cards.
@TomStorey96
2 жыл бұрын
After watching the channel of someone who salvages scrap metal for a living, I'm now on a mission to buy up as many gold plated components as I can for my own personal projects. I'm doing a lot of stuff with Motorola 68k family CPUs, so I've got myself some gold/ceramic 68020s and 68882s. And since I built a VGA card just recently, I picked up a tube of INMOS G171 RAMDACs in gold/ceramic as well. Saved from destruction and put back to use. A bit less gold going to the scrappers. :-)
@Paar86
2 жыл бұрын
Phil reviewed a similar card, Terratec Base-1, but that card had AD1816AJS chip. That card produced single DMA click in Prince of Persia. The card in this video has AD18max10JS and there're no clicks. Maybe it's been fixed in this revision?
@rajdme
Жыл бұрын
Would love to try this myself since I also have a Terratec TT1816-S V1.0 sound card without amplifier. Do you maybe have a component list, what parts need to be added where to make the magic happen? :)
@petertorda5487
3 жыл бұрын
Well, FM + General Midi = Catastrophe. :-D However there are some soundtracks written exclusively for FM, and these sounds great, like Goblin 3. Anyway I like you chanel, it is something interesting about it, to bring back to life, these old HW. Keep doing good job.
@SobieRobie
2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to give you another thumb up!
@alexg9155
2 жыл бұрын
I actually like it more than the original OPL3, it's less harsh. It sounds nice :) Never quite understood all the fuss about OPL3, maybe it was just the most widespread? Didn't catch those times by just a few years, but I'm now interested in retro stuff and I'm wondering why everyone likes OPL3 so much. Other stuff just sounds better to me.
@RZ296
3 жыл бұрын
Nice restoration. Old hardware had charisma, modern boards not so attractive to the eye.
@gazehound
2 жыл бұрын
I actually love the sound of the AD. It feels like it matches the tone of DOOM better than the OPL3, it's punchier and less subdued. Maybe a bit worse in Duke Nukem.
@nicwilson89
3 жыл бұрын
If there's any hardware in the pile that you don't manage to rescue but could be repairable(like, y'know, not totally destroyed or missing most of the ICs), would you mind posting whatever it is in that category over to me if I pay the postage and any other costs (I'm in the UK). Well, whatever it is that is actually interesting, though. I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally enjoy getting to dig into cool electronics, especially retro. I repair things anyway in the sense of a paid for service, I just also really enjoy doing it to something cool in my spare time(or trying, it's the trying that is fun!). I'd even post it back to you if you actually want it and you're not just getting rid of something you don't want :) Probably sounds a bit suspect when a random dude asks if he can pay for posting what might appear as useless crap when you don't even know the person...can provide you with whatever you want if desired haha
@TheMadmagik
2 жыл бұрын
its missing the dynamic fade and sustain of the yamaha. probably cause its a cheaper chip with less features, perfectly playable tho. You get a similar thing in modern gaming with the pandora versions of arcade games, its not terrible, but you can tell it just sounds that wee bit different.
@craigkarsten6719
3 жыл бұрын
Great job! I actually don't mind the sound of it. A bit brighter in Doom.
@edmil1616
Жыл бұрын
Very good intro design, it was a good idea and it's funny. The music you use in the background is pretty cool too. You did a great job restoring the sound card. Congratulations.
@pcclassic
2 жыл бұрын
Наши узбеки на металлобазах не понимают английский (шутка) и продолжают ломать ретрокомплектующие. День за днем.... ( Сегодня разбили кувалдой около 10 приборов СССР)
@necro_ware
2 жыл бұрын
Согласен, только, пожалуйста, давайте не будем оскорблять народы. Среди Узбеков есть полно умнейших людей и далеко не все идиоты Узбеки, которые ломают редкую технику по глупости. Я предпочитаю ко всем относиться с уважением, особенно в эти времена, когда ксенофобия у всех уже через край льётся. Я от этого уже реально очень устал.
@pcclassic
2 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware ну тут у нас в московском регионе, такого много. А так я согласен, у самого куча родственников оттуда
@aruan7sp
Жыл бұрын
I actually like this card rendition of E1M1 better than the original OPL3.
@tuxontour
2 жыл бұрын
I had a terratec card back in the day ... so if find the Yamaha sounds wrong ... just a point of view problem.
@dextrodemon
Жыл бұрын
sounds like maybe it has a bad filter cap, which sometimes can sound nice. probably wrong tho.
@therealjammit
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if having a bucket of "Evap-o-rust" to dunk boards in overnight might be a good idea.
@xaropemacgyver
Жыл бұрын
@garagegaming625
2 жыл бұрын
"once a Wizard, that cloud revive any piece of garbage, existed on a far far land, he was awakened, again"
@gordon8657
2 жыл бұрын
I can hear the difference and see why the Yamaha is preferable, the sound definition and clarity is much better on the Yamaha chip.
@73rmin8r
Ай бұрын
Huh. I would never have guessed soap and water was the way to go.
@ichemnutcracker
2 жыл бұрын
The Yamaha chip sounds like wet farts compared to this thing!
@Taverius
2 жыл бұрын
Ngl, I prefer the Analogue Devices synth too. 👌
@waelsadek81
2 жыл бұрын
I was interested to see the difference between with and without the add amplifier actually.
@stephanemignot100
2 жыл бұрын
I like the Terratec better, anyway, nothing can beat the MT32.
@Turco949
Ай бұрын
6:00 What typically causes a pad to get ripped off? Lack of preheating the board, age of the board, existing corrosion or something else?
@necro_ware
Ай бұрын
Yes :)
@guido69x
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to get a way to use my old sound blaster audigy on win10 :/
@jayjwin1178
2 жыл бұрын
with the skill of yours, who need to buy new hardware? :)
@OtaconEmmerich
2 жыл бұрын
I like the hardware sound...the noise is real gritty.
@Redled_Original
3 жыл бұрын
I have the same card whitout the LM386 Amplifiers.
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's super common. You can buy it in kilograms per € :)
@altbeetle1998
3 жыл бұрын
«Saving Private Ryan» good job 👍
@DataWaveTaGo
2 жыл бұрын
At 2:45 - Come on! I repair damage like that cut edge connector all the time!!! And I'm sometimes working on 8 bit systems from 1978. :)
@necro_ware
2 жыл бұрын
For some rare card I would as well, but in this case I could make one nice card out of two out of trash.
@Arti9m
3 жыл бұрын
Why test Duke3D adlib music from setup utility? I see people on KZitem doing it all the time, but why? It does not load the correct instruments. Ingame music sounds completely different.
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
It actually shouldn't sound different, but I'm not sure. But in my case the explanation is simple, I was testing it on 386DX, where Duke 3D will not run.
@gbestwick
2 жыл бұрын
I know I'm super late to the party with my comment, but... When you have very rusty boards that you're trying to save, you can remove the rust very quickly with HydroChloric acid. (And then an immediate rinse with Lye (Caustic soda, or Sodium Hydroxide). It will immediately remove any ferrous rust. However, you need to be a tad careful, as a strong acid can also damage speakers and other things. As well, Lye will react with aluminum. HCl + NaOH = NaCl + H2O. So, if you've done your ratios right you end up with salty water. Now, after your Acid/Base wash, be sure to wash it thoroughly with plain water and then dry out the PCB. This method can get rid of fairly substantial rust.
@necro_ware
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you very much. I made a video about a similar topic some time ago. It was about neutralization of electrolyte with acid. However you have to take pretty strong acid to work again iron oxide (rust) and it can be dangerous for the copper traces on the PCB, since they are very glad to react first. I'd be very careful with that. If you are interested to take a look at that older video, here it is kzitem.info/news/bejne/1Iyu14B4qWidZJg
@Null_Experis
3 жыл бұрын
these goldbugs don't realize that this card has less than $2 worth of gold in it at best (and that's assuming you can find a buyer who pays full market price for unverified and untested gold), and you could literally sell it on ebay working for $5 and someone will buy it eventually. You'd literally get more gold panning in any river in most counties, and you don't need to spend money on acids.
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agreed. I even think, that there is by far less than $2 gold in it. Just as you said, if you count the chemicals and time you need to extract it, probably even less than 25 cent.
@No_soup_for_you
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Loved the montage music.
@outbackchillin5628
2 жыл бұрын
I actually like the AD18 better then the Yam !
@Rapsodiaast
2 жыл бұрын
PCB of sound card looks similar noname ES1868-clones - and jumpers LineOut-HeadPhones on the same place - hey, maybe this AD chip is a reprinted ES1868 chip? =) try to use this card with ess audio drivers =)
@necro_ware
2 жыл бұрын
Even if it looks similar, but no :) AD is a completely different chip with different pinout, different FM implementation and different drivers.
@ms-dosman7722
3 жыл бұрын
Great job restoring this card!
@xolox2k
2 жыл бұрын
That AD chip sound great to me :)
@XtremeKremaTor
3 жыл бұрын
This Donor one should work or would be easily repairable. No traces or one or 2 were cut. Better than mess with the rust bucket. But them Where's the challenge....
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly ;)
@cosmefulanito5933
3 жыл бұрын
It just sounds different. I don't hear it worse or better. Let's keep in mind that the Yamaha chip wasn't anything to write home about either ... NICE REPAIR.
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
Well, it's just that Yamaha was the original and all the others were reimplementations. So I guess it's natural, that people compare all the other versions to Yamaha. And if it sounds good or bad is a matter of taste. At least I like how AD sounds and I didn't expect it before the repair.
@dreamyrhodes
2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why everyone likes the Yamaha sound. I find the Yamaha FM sound quite awful.
@necro_ware
2 жыл бұрын
It's not about liking or not, it's just that most of the people have had a sound card with the Yamaha OPL3 FM chip and that's why it sounds "right" for the most ears. However, there were also FM implementations, which were obviously buggy, like CS4235, which played wrong instruments, missed a lot of notes etc. But all in all, this is a very subjective opinion which FM implementation is good.
@paveljelinek772
2 жыл бұрын
9:42 not bad FM, i'd take that, really
@pinklightninggacha
2 жыл бұрын
What tomb you dig that out of
@mmllmmll22
2 жыл бұрын
I'd put better caps to get better sound :D
@Mr_Meowingtons
2 жыл бұрын
the midi is not that bad it pops out more..
@86smoke
3 жыл бұрын
Would you please record and release also other repairs - even if it is unedited video.
@necro_ware
3 жыл бұрын
I repair a lot of stuff just for fun and without a camera. It's always a hustle to work on something with a camera in your face. Sometimes, I just want to relax and do some repairs without having to think about light and camera position ;) But there will be definitely more restorations and repair videos in the future .... glad you liked it.
@86smoke
3 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware yeah, totally understandable. I also do repairs for relax because my daily job has nothing to do with technology not to mention retro pcs. Besides, I did not consider this card bad even back in a day. Maybe because i had (well, my parents did) quite decent speakers attached, but I remember most of people having crappy unamplified speakers
@rallyscoot
3 жыл бұрын
the terratec card sounds better in doom.
@Chasnah
3 жыл бұрын
The dislike is from the dude who thinks you can get gold from ISA slots
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