I’ve only just found your channel, absolutely brilliant reviews and a great selection of rolling stock and loco reviews. Very fair and from your points made, bang on I’d say. Couldn’t agree more about the battery decision either - especially how Dapol managed it years ago on their JHA hoppers (brilliant things, just out of interest). Anyway, new sub and cheers for the sharp honesty, there’s too many ‘reviews’ where the reviewer has been given the models by the manufacturer - great for them I’m sure but not the best way to ensure balanced reviewing.
@EuviRail
8 ай бұрын
Thanks John and welcome onboard.
@panzerjaeger1421
2 жыл бұрын
I have had exactly the same problems with my rake of 14 wagons (6 x Flastline, 6 x GBRf and 1 x Touax) and was about to contact Accurascale, especially about wagon GBRf 371014, that never got around the first corner of my radius 3 track. I am glad I decided to watch your excellent review and found many similar problems, especially regarding bogie rolling resistance. I normally fit Kadee couplings to new bogie wagons and found a No 19 coupling ideal for the task. However, on a consist of 12 or more wagons, the Kadee coupling detached from the NEM pocket the closer the coupling was to the locomotive. Prior to this problem rearing its head, I checked all the wheel back to backs and lubricated all the wheel bearings. However, Kadee couplings work OK providing they are placed at the rear of the rake. My biggest surprise was that a Bachmann Class 66 slipped to stop when pulling a rake of 12 wagons or less and only the Hattons Class 66 was man enough to manage 14 wagons except that GBRf 371014 derailed on the first corner every time. Another excellent review.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert and thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sorry to hear you had similar problems to myself and it does seem that only a Hornby Class 60 or Hattons Class 66 can pull the longer rakes of these wagons. Did you remove the offending underbody detail for GBRf 3710014?
@panzerjaeger1421
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry not to have replied sooner but I decided to wait until I received my pair of DRS wagons from Rails. I made a ramp about 70 cms long and rested one end on a track rubber, 15mm high, to give a slight slope. I used a Heljan BOC bogie wagon as a test piece and it rolled down the slope without problems. Having bought the HYA bundle, I had 14 wagons to test. My Hornby 08 Shunter could just about managed to move 5 HYA wagons on the straight but as soon as it reached the 3rd radius curve, it just slipped to a stop. I tested each wagon on the slope and out of the 14 wagons in the bundle, 4 didn't move at all, one moved 5 cms before stopping and another 2 rolled very slowly down the slope. I then lifted the end up 4 cms high and one wagon, GBRf 371021, never moved at all; another rolled 9 cms and then stopped. When the DRS wagons arrived, the first to be tested didn't move at all but the second rolled as easily as the Heljan BOC wagon. I contacted AS about the problem and they asked me to return the offending wagons. Like you, I had spent enough time fettling the wagons to go to the bother of sending them back. I removed the boss at the end of the hopper doors with a new scalpel blade and hid the repair with a black Sharpie felt pen. Despite at least 8 emails back and forth with AS, they have never acknowledged there is a problem but they have offered to replace the bogies. I have bought most of the IRM wagons released so far and think AS are a much welcome breathe of fresh air on the UK model railway scene but the problems with the HYA hoppers have taken the shine off the company which is a great pity.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@panzerjaeger1421 Thanks Robert for sharing your findings in detail. We shouldn't have to spend hours characterising and troubleshooting models like this. I know manufacturers can be paranoid about any sort of negative press but I do get frustrated with denials. The testers in China will only do exactly what they are asked to do and nothing more. This is a problem. Sample units need to get a proper shakedown by some real modelers before shipping to the world. Returns are expensive and while they build in a certain percentage in their business models, a serious undetected defect could be extremely costly. I'm rooting for Accurascale as well so whatever they may or may not admit to in public I hope they do the necessary analysis behind closed doors to learn for the future. I'll be giving the Class 55, Class 37 and Class 92 a thorough going over when they drop.
@panzerjaeger1421
2 жыл бұрын
I tried the Bachmann Class 66 on a rake of 14 HYS hoppers and to my surprise it managed them without mishap. The Bachmann 66 doesn't have the grunt of the Hattons version and is noticeably slower. However, every now and then, the front bogie derails going around the outer curved point. I removed the bogie obstruction from all of my HYA bundle wagons but have yet to fettle the BRS pair. It will only take a few minutes, after all, I have had plenty of practice!@@EuviRail
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@panzerjaeger1421 LOL. I haven't tried to load up Bachmann 66 since I made all of the adjustments. 14-16 sounds about right given it was running with 8 "impaired" wagons in my original running session.
@IanCooper
2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for a fair and accurate review. Been waiting for years for someone to bring these out as they are the main wagon in use on Durham Coast line. Wagons look great with loads of detail. As you mentioned, I also had 22 wagons where the underframe detail was preventing the bogies from turning freely, so will have to get the scalpel out and do a bit of trimming. Also had a few issues of damage, (2 tail lamps broken off, 2 Biomass lids pushed in/warped and 4 with damaged buffer detail) possibly the price you have to pay for fine detail but also suspect packing might have been a bit rough in the factory. Was planning on running two rakes of 18-20 wagons but suspect my locos would struggle so will be settling on shorter rakes. To Accurascale's credit, from previous experience their customer service is very good if you have a problem and the quality of packaging from their fulfilment centre is much better with a decent level of padding in the parcels.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian. Many Thanks for the comments. The packaging looks to be pretty good so I'm surprised at the level of what I might describe as "transit damage". Something for Accurascale to look at as well as how to avoid the underbody issue. I think 18-20 wagons is probably beyond the outer limits for even the heaviest locos. Agree on the customer service front.
@johnlongbottom2539
2 жыл бұрын
I bought the full range and they have been sat in the boxes for the past 4 weeks until I got around to process the wagons. I usually store the wagons out of the boxes to save on space so had to bud a new storage box to accomodate. As luck would have it I was about to start process them tomorrow to put them into rakes and by absolute chance I came across your vidoe tonite. Try to watch all you visoes since you give a true and unbiased assessment of the models. Having seen the video rushed into the garage to take one out of the box and laid them on radius 4 - no issues - on radius 2 - stopped dead!! So having seen the video I took off the bogies, used my dremel to sand down the offending part and now works better. I cannot say it works excellently since there is still some drag - so tomorrow I will try your second trick of oiling and see what that does. My major problem is that I have bought the full range of HYA large and Cutdown models so it looks like a day wasted on repairing the wagons. My other question would be what would be the effect of adding loads to the wagons? Have you done it yet or do you know of somebody else that has tried??
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Hi John, thanks for sharing. Yeah, Radius 4 should be fine though there will still be some drag. Radius 3 will run with a heavy drag and Radius is as you've seen and will show de-railment. For my loads I used offcuts from a Javis ballast underlay roll sized to fit just under the top rim of the wagons. If you flatten the offcuts before installing it will avoid the little gaps you can see due to the curve of the offcut when it was taken off the roll. It's really cheap and really light! Even with everything I found the HYA wagons to show more resistance than say typical Dapol wagons. The bogies on their own are really free running as per the marketing but when installed on the wagon with the source of weight directly above them they just seem to run more sluggishly. The oiling did help though. Be sure that all your bogies are running freely. I found I hadn't taken enough off on a few of them and they were still catching before I took the knife to them again. I hope you can get them all sorted to a good enough level - and have something decent to put in front of them course as they will need a heavier loco for a larger rake. Rgds, Eugene
@johnlongbottom2539
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail Eugene, 6 hours later and 28 wagons and 56 bogie ends modified I have done it. I followed the instructions and took off the offending lug but on experimenting on the track there was still drag. I took into consideration your aspect of oil but on playing with the bogies I still noticed they were catching so I took the dremel grinder and took out more of the corner without affecting the pipe connections - that worked and now I have no drag - took a bit of practice but with 56 bogie ends to play with I am now an expert. Some other build issues that I will take up with Accurascale - John
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnlongbottom2539 Wow, 28 wagons - well done John. Glad to hear you got there in the end. Hopefully Accurascale can put you right for any other issues. Rgds, Eugene
@mus256f
2 жыл бұрын
A very fair and accurate review. I've bought these wagons but haven't really had a chance to run them yet. I will be carrying out your minor improvements though. I may try graphite grease on the axle tips instead though. Hopefully that will lead to an improvement in running over time. I've now subscribed and look forward to the same honest reviews ongoing. Thanks Again.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that and welcome aboard!
@CheshireLines
2 жыл бұрын
Great review - I had 8 biomass and I have exactly the same issues with resistance and wobble and like you fixed in the same way but it did take the shine off these lovely looking wagons. Like you I found the bogies when removed are very free running so the resistance comes from the weight of the wagon bearing down on the bogie which is odd. My wobble issues seem to be getting less as they have more running in and the derailing was an issue for me as I have 2 helixes so sorting that was critical and time consuming. I have rakes of other short base wagons from Accurascale which are fantastic so it was a disappointment to have this experience. Thank you again for your honest and unbiased videos - keep them up !
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. No room for derailments when you 2 helixes!
@Curlypawz
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear of the issues you had. I bought the cutdown versions of the HYAs and (so far) haven't had the issues you've seen - but with limited running possible, and that on radius 3 curves, and the space for only a short train I'd be unlikely to see it. I did have to free off some of the brake blocks which were in contact with the wheels, but they ran freely after that. I do wish the tail light was run off the track - I'd happily pay a bit more for a pack that avoided the need for batteries - but appreciate the wand rather than a tiny switch under the wagon. I thought your review was very fair.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that and for sharing your experience of the cutdown versions.
@michaelsmith-hn1cn
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. I did a review the other day on my channel but did not notice the problem. It seems to be when the boogie travels in on direction that you get the problem. I have checked mine and yes they do catch when going the opposite way so I will need to do the cut off. Great review glad I watched it. Take care. Mick
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mick. Yeah, I suspect the directional aspect may have led to the issue not being picked up in spot testing, At least it's very fixable.
@Julian-zc4ik
2 жыл бұрын
Good morning - further to my recent comment to you about wobble, Accurascale replied, very quickly I must say, to an email of mine detailing my problems with these wagons. They suggested tightening the bogie screw, but in my case this didn’t sort out the problem. Having watched your video back a couple of times I also experimented by setting them off down a 2% helix radius 3 - with the result that they come to a halt within a quarter turn, definitely the poorest runner of any manufacturer’s wagons that I possess. So I have replied to them and asked that I return them for the warranty team to take a look at and turn into ‘good runners’. Which brings me onto scoring these wagons - whilst I totally agree with your comments regarding presentation and the exquisite detailing, surely the very least we should expect of these premium models is good running? Hornby can do it, Dapol can certainly do it. For what we have paid for these rakes of wagons, I am disappointed that we don’t have great running straight of the box - surely the minimum we should expect? Thank you for having the courage to outline these problems in the first place, it’s so difficult as individual modellers to know whether anyone else is experiencing problems. Yours, Julian
@warwickroadmodelrailway
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very detailed review. Before I had seen the video I had purchased 12 of the Biomass wagons and found the bogie and wheel issues immediately. Will contact Accurascale based on your advice and get the problem resolved as I have radius 2 and 3 curves
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, glad the review was of use. Every single Biomass and HYA wagon I purchased had the excess plastic in the underbody that caused the problems on curves. The good news is that by shaving off the excess plastic per the video all of my wagons are running fine now including on radius 2. The odd wagon may have other problems - I have one or two that wobble a bit but I can live with it. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@warwickroadmodelrailway
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail Since watching your video I did some more investigating as to why the bogies were catching on the detail on 2nd and 3rd radius curves. There is added between the hoppers and the bogies which is obviously the problem. In trying to trim this down I inadvertently snapped the detail. On further investigation this added detail can easily be removed. I have removed this detail from all of my wagons(it just unclips) and they now run beautifully. You only notice its missing if you look very closely side on, for me its worth removing to stop the ongoing derailing issues.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@warwickroadmodelrailway I'm really glad you're sorted. Having the fear of de-railment takes the good out of modelling. I'll take secure running performance over detail any day of the week.
@WickfieldLaneJunction
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like we’re all getting the same problem, I love the look of these amazing wagons but I also resulted in putting a knife to these wagons to remove the plastic protruding part, now their running much better 👍🏻 still some resistance so will try a drop of oil as you’ve recommended
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting. They'll never be as smooth as a Dapol ICA but you should be able to get them to a good enough level for most usage. I'm happy with my 20 now.
@ScottishNSRailFan
2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyable review. Still undecided whether to buy them or not for my collection
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. Time spent on troubleshooting/modding these aside, I'm really pleased with them.
@clipperrail8988
2 жыл бұрын
These are beautiful wagons, but there does seem to be a trend among a lot of manufacturers these days to go for super detail, yet miss fundamental running quality. Personally I prefer a solid, well-running model even if that means less detail. Great review as always.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
100%. I think folks have lost sight of the importance of solid running performance. It's bad enough on smaller layouts but I can't imagine dealing with derailments etc on a larger layout with inclines and raised sections.
@clipperrail8988
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail All credit to Accurascale though that their customer service are very committed to resolving any issues quickly.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@clipperrail8988 Absolutely. No complaints on that front.
@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512
2 жыл бұрын
Another great review. Many thanks for what you do, top work. The good: They have great detailing and seem like a sound product at a reasonable price. The bad: The issues you covered in your video review. And the ugly: Unfortunately I simply don't like the look of them! I keep trying to, I really do, I so want to like them but they just don't look nice with those lines printed all over the side elevations! Maybe it's just me! Maybe they look better in person than on the screen... Some of the cutdown versions seem much more attractive to me but obviously you'll get a shorter rake for the same money. Hmmm. Regards Julian
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Julian, I think I'm Ok on the looks front for these though I would have gone for a weathered option if it were available. That would have offset the look of those printed lines you mention. Thanks for your comments. Eugene
@Rule1ModelRailways
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I wonder if they'll be at the Wexford show tomorrow to talk to about it.
@Dennis20000
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome review. What engine oil do you use? Looking forward to the class 90 vid!
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. Used the following www.hattons.co.uk/31549/dapol_b807_dapoil_low_viscosity_oil_lubricant_for_dapol_locomotives/stockdetail. The Class 90 has been running really well so looking forward to that review myself.
@Dennis20000
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I recevied my wagons today. The detail is fantastic but they do have the same issues. I tried to fit some hunt couplings and they kept separating when running. I've shall oil them later. One of them also has a massive wobble as well.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dennis20000 Yeah, the hunt couplings won't hold if the resistance is too high. I don't have an answer for the wobbler I'm afraid - you may need to return this to Accurascale.
@BritishRail60062
2 жыл бұрын
First of all. Thanks for taking the time to review these new wagons. Overall I like them but my grind here is with the battery powered tail lights. I think track power on DCC should have been standard because we have the 18vAC available off the bat to be honest. The Hornby GWR 4 wheel coaches and some others also have this annoying option. Pickups and 100ohm resistors would be enough. Shame about the handling and performance but I know how to deal with the offending detail if my Kato UniTrack throws a wobbly with the wagons. I will get 5 packs for my GBRF Class 60 as I am not bothering with the eye watering prices on the Hornby "DRAX" wagons at near £200 a pop! I just bought a model of CIE A42 in Green which I will be adding a LokSound V5 into it later on loaded with the GE FDL16 U23B sounds with an Irish horn as that sounds close to a Crossley engine to me. Also I am looking forward to the ACS Class 92 as well which I have pre-ordered 92020 which in GBRF. All the best and Happy Easter Ash.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
Adding pickups would mean tooling all the bogies as such and likely dis improving running. A single tail lamp isn’t worth that.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ash, I hadn't seen the pricing on the DRAX wagons - wow! I have A42 as well - a piece of Irish Railway history. C92s are also on pre-order. Many Happy returns. Rgds, Eugene
@BritishRail60062
2 жыл бұрын
@@mccarronfamily What about the nano wires and the lightweight alloy pick ups options? Would be cheaper than batteries in my opinion mate.
@BritishRail60062
2 жыл бұрын
@Irish sixty six Fan Thanks for the heads up. I will look into those. I think barrel shaped pickups with reversed polarity for each bogie and 100k ohm resistors would work a treat though. Also being barrel shaped would mean less drag on the wheels when in motion.
@BritishRail60062
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail Hi Eugene. My A42 will be with me this Friday according to Royal Mail. I really like that green colour and I may pre-order another Class 92 from ACS in May. They are cheaper than the Hornby Class 91's and the pantographs look metal as well unlike the Hornby models which have unusable plastic. Metal heads would have meant more robust on layouts that have metal wires over the tracks but maybe some third party replacements will come later on. Sorry for the late reply. KZitem didn't even tell me.
@tradtrain
Жыл бұрын
I’ve just received eight biomass wagons and found them to be very poor free running.Using the latest Bachmann class 47 it was wheel spinning and struggling where different makes of wagon wouldn’t be a problem.I lubricated all axles and it slightly improved things.I also squeezed both sides of the axle boxes at the same time as spinning the wheels with my fingers which also made a slight improvement. The wagons look fantastic and I didn’t have any wobble or derailment problems.Just a shame they have this problem.
@EuviRail
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a real pity as they are fabulous looking wagons. I note these wagons are on sale now in a few places as take up was probably less than expected due to this.
@SimonWitt
2 жыл бұрын
That's a shame for the running performance and something I really would have expected Accurascale to have picked up on during testing, in particular the bogie catching on curves. I can't say I've experienced anything like that with previous wagons, but as much as everyone loves Accurascale for what they're bringing to the hobby it's a good reminder that nobody gets a free pass for putting out something that needs modifying out of the box just to work at an acceptable level. But still, the level of detail that has gone into the wagons, especially for the price, is second to none and for that Accurascale should definitely be commended
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Simon. Hopefully, the accumulated feedback will help with ensuring future releases will be free of similar issues.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
And it’s worth bearing in mind that a few mentions of issues doesn’t far all the positive reviews and videos of lovely smooth running.
@geordielad9636
2 жыл бұрын
Update to my previous negative comments. The actual GBRf biomass wagons run at he bottom of the road where I live and I see them regularly. I really wanted them in model form and not having any was bugging me. So since returning the wagons I am a lot wiser to the problems thanks to EuviRail, the internet and as Accurascale had sold out of most of the biomass packs, I ordered packs 1/2/3/4 from Rails also 4 packs of Rails exclusive HYA IIA D.R.S wagons. I asked Rails if they would check all 16 wagons for body separation and to remove the offending parts catching on bogies causing problems, Rails would not remove offending bit due to affecting warranty. So the wagons arrived and all wagons were perfect body wise but derailing on my 3rd radius curves, so knowing what was the problem I removed the offending bits, Now all the wagons run beautifully Whether folk are interested in the above I don’t know? but after travelling a bumpy road at last I have what I wanted, Bill.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
That's great news Bill. Fair play, you stuck with it and you got there in the end! Thanks for sharing as I'm sure it will help others who may have similar experiences. Regards, Eugene
@sapphirejunction8993
2 жыл бұрын
I've already stated this in EuviRail's other video on these and had purchased 30 wagons encompassing all three variants and yes every single one of them exhibits the bogie issue on R2 curves (which Accurascale will offer to fix under warranty if you don't want to) but for me it's the incessant squealing from the wagons which I am having trouble resolving even after oiling the wheel/axle but they are still squealing quite badly plus these wobble or vibrate when trundling down a straight which may be related to the wheels not free rolling as they should. Oh yes you are completely right about the resistance from the wagons as my Hornby Class 60 & Hattons 66's are drawing a lot of current to pull these wagons and did the ultimate test of 16 HYA's/IIA's and basically they struggled with wheel slip but even with 8-12 wagons they are working hard. Anyway, beautiful detail and livery application but the issues mentioned are a let down and AS need to ensure these don't appear on other wagon releases or future runs of these ones.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
If you’re not happy contact accurascale. They will ensure all is perfect at no cost
@sapphirejunction8993
2 жыл бұрын
@@mccarronfamily didn't say I wasn't happy and have already done so and as always Accurascale service & support is 100% spot on. Never assume that when someone outlines issues with a product they are not happy with it, I absolutely love these wagons and can't wait for AS to do a second run and hopefully these issues are a lessoned learned.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if the brake assemblies on some of the bogies are touching the wheels? I had this problem on a few of my Heljan Cargowaggons. and the assemblies look similar. If the Hornby Class 60 and Hattons 66 are challenged with these wagons that says a lot. Again, thanks for sharing your valuable findings.
@sapphirejunction8993
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail Wow that was a busy Easter Weekend!...beautiful weather in South-east England. Ok finally got around to oiling up again all my 30 wagons and finally the squeaks have disappeared but they are tenacious little buggers having come back on a couple of my cut-down HYA's which required further attention. I won't be carrying out the mod underneath the wagons to free up the bogie on R2/R3 curves but yes now going in one direction on my R2 test track my Hornby Class 60's & Hattons Class 66's can now pull all 16 of my IIA's/HYA's or 14 cut-down HYA's which is quite impressive especially from the Hornby 60's thus proud of my 8Pin dinosaurs (current GBRf liveries lol) but their tooling still holds up today thankfully. All the wagons are much more free running now and the loco's have gone from drawing about 0.18-0.22 Amps to about 0.12-0.15 Amps depending whether they are going down the straight or doing the tight curves so to me the wagons are rolling as one should expect. Lastly, there is one thing the wagons to still exhibit which I've mentioned before which is a slight vibration (rather than a wobble) when trundling down a straight but no idea what could be causing that but it isn't anything major thus you could put it down to natural movement maybe as per prototype but it is there and to be honest not bothered. For me these wagons get a 9/10, the packaging, quality & livery application is top notch!
@johnstephens649
2 жыл бұрын
Rrally have to ask “why” on a still pretty high value item. Given that Accurascale seem to have a very ready DIY solution, why was this not checked in the first place?
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
There's a debate on this later in the comments.
@ArcadiaJunctionHobbies
2 жыл бұрын
Another reason I can't stand battery-powered lights is if they break a big deal to fix. Pick-up on the wheels is very easy to repair.
@paulisnotonfire
2 жыл бұрын
Bit disappointing that the tail lights are battery powered, instead of powered from the track. I don't think I'm going to bother sourcing batteries for that feature. I'll have to have a look at the wagons when they turn up next week and see if they have the same running issues you've described. I'll update you if they do.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
Track power means every bogie would have to tooled to accommodate pickups. Consider it a ‘free’ tail lamp with free magnetic wand instead :)
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I hope they work out for you - worst case you have to take the scalpel out. Let us know how you get on.
@alanrobertson9790
2 жыл бұрын
@@mccarronfamily Don't understands why one bogie insufficient. Loss of light function going over some points hardly a disaster.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
@@alanrobertson9790 my point was that to accommodate track pickup every single bogie under all wagons would have to be compromised to accommodate. A super easy to pop in battery with magnetic wand for switching means no compromise and years of service on a set of batteries.
@alanrobertson9790
2 жыл бұрын
@@mccarronfamily There is only one tail light so you need only one pick-up.
@geordielad9636
2 жыл бұрын
Hello again, further to my comments on your previous video on 11th April I am a bit wiser. My main reason for returning my biomass wagons was on 2 of my 8 wagons the body was off from the chassis, I found on facebook someone had 20 wagons and on 5 of them the body was off! Incidentally I am still waiting for my refund, it's amazing how quick you can pay for something but getting a refund take ages. The cutdown version I bought at the same time as the biomass are running much better now, I found the same problem as you with the bit catching on the bogies on 2 of my 8 wagons and filed it off, I also applied some Gaugemaster oil (the pen type GM619) to axles, I have used this for years on any squeaking wheels and found it never harms plastic. I have numerous types of wagons and never had as much trouble as these wagons, doe's no-one do such a basic check as pushing a wagon to see it it will go around a curve, before releasing them? Thanks for your extensive review of these wagons and as always honest and most interesting videos, Bill.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill. Accura confirmed that some wagons suffer from an assembly issue where a hopper release detail on one end may foul one bogie under tight radii due to an overpaint. The distance imvolved is about 1mm and you can send any wagons to accurascale for free adjustment.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Bill, Body separation like that is a major fault and very concerning. I'm waiting to see what feedback comes in over the coming week before seeing if a refresh on the scoring is warranted in the description. I'm scratching my head on the QA side as well. A 20 sec test on a radius 2 curve before boxing each wagon would have done the trick.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail For it to have caught it, you'd have to test every single wagon after it was completed and before packing, on runs of 30k+ wagons, its just not possible to do so, so something like a dab too much paint can slip in (or prcelforce kick the package about and the body separates in transit)
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@mccarronfamily It's just that every one of those 30K was visually inspected before packing. If even 1 in 20 or 30 got a quick test on the track, the underbody issue would have been found and the rework could have taken place in China rather than locally. As mentioned by others on this stream, the visual appears to be taking precedence over the operational. A poor running or derailing wagon or coach is useless to most modelers regardless of how good it looks . At the end of the day it's in Accurascale's best interests to find a way to assure quality before the container leaves China. Transit damage will always occur and I'm sure there's a % allowance for it to cater for returns and rework. If it's excessive of course then the witch hunt on what's driving that has to start, the base design, the build build quality, the packing and the packaging, poor handling during shipping etc. I worked in a design environment at a time when we used to do manufacturing locally. Sample testing from the shop floor was easy to do during production runs and any issues, be they design or manufacturing related, could (and had to) be addressed in real-time. I can appreciate the challenges of dealing with offshore manufacturers where access to production samples is much more limited. People have been doing it for decades now so the patterns have been developed to make it work even if there are still challenges involved and perhaps some added ones unique to railway models.
@mccarronfamily
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail but you’re assuming such tests didn’t take place when they did. At the moment we have direct contact from about a half % of the orders fulfilled. At the moment that indicates a batch issue with overpaint of the detail part leading in a tiny number of cases to the impingement at small radii. We test extensively at every stage of the process but sometimes things can have a little issue and that’s why we have a dedicated warranty and repair team.
@OgaugeTrainsplusslotCars
2 жыл бұрын
Cool👍♐
@tobyytlai
2 жыл бұрын
How did you make the coal loads?
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I've added some text in the description on this as a few people have asked the same question.
@Julian-zc4ik
2 жыл бұрын
Hi - like many of you I have purchased quite a lot of various liveries of these wagons and currently extremely disappointed with running - lots of them have wobble, most of those excessive and they really let the wagons down. For what we pay for a large order of these it is far from satisfactory.
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Julian, I'm really sorry to hear you had so many issues with these wagons. Before I discovered the remediation to address the high resistance / derailment on curves I was an email away from looking to return them all. Now, thankfully I've been able to get them to a point I can live with but they're still not the smoothest wagon in the world. One or two show a little bit of wobble from time to time but nothing too serious but others on this channel including yourself appear to have had much more serious wobble problems which is return territory in my books. You're absolutely right, it isn't good enough. It seems to be all visuals these days with little attention to reliable and consistent running performance. I hope you communicated all you issues with Accurascale. People including myself have cut them some slack on this one but they'll get both barrels next time if they deliver something like this again. If a model doesn't run properly it's not fit for purpose. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@Julian-zc4ik
2 жыл бұрын
@@EuviRail to be fair with Accurascale warranty they have come back again very quickly and told me to send the whole order in for them to take a look at. Cheers, Julian
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
@@Julian-zc4ikThanks Julian. I have no issues with Accurascale on that front and I'm sure they will get you sorted one way or another. No harm for them to see the issues you had first hand. Let's see what they come back with.
@grah84mck
2 жыл бұрын
Surely not!!! Accurascale with faults. No never. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@EuviRail
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I guessed it could come as a shock to some folks. In a different regime it could be dismissed as fake news and I could be heading to jail!
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