Very solid video. Always great talking with you guys.
@paulhowe5863
Ай бұрын
Thanks, Reid. Be safe.
@wittmer341
Ай бұрын
One major takeaway from the article is distance. These competition shooters who have snuck in to our profession have guys standing at 3 yards and trying to shoot super fast panic fire drills and completely ignore that the officer, due to human performance limitations, won’t even be able to perceive the threat let alone respond with a panic fire barrage in time to save their life.
@ReidHenrichs
Ай бұрын
@@wittmer341 Those that know, know. It's almost like you have been in a few gunfights or something :)
@Dragon-yw4xw
Ай бұрын
He is from Valor Ridge. I love his channel.
@memaw3610
Ай бұрын
Hey Paul/CSAT Team, As always, another great video. No flashy visuals, no BS, just ‘meat and potatoes’ as Paul once said. Love the wisdom.
@theDemong0d
Ай бұрын
It's sad that straightforward content like this is getting more and more rare
@jeffcooper5789
Ай бұрын
@@theDemong0dThe truth isn't pretty all of the time.
@memaw3610
Ай бұрын
@@theDemong0d I suspect its a combination of reasons, though one prominent thing I observed is the ‘why they are on yt’. Many folks on yt in this market are ‘entertainers with guns’ who can masquerade as ‘instructors’ or, as Paul has mentioned in other videos, guys who take their one dimensional concepts and try and teach them to shooters. Paul Howe and his tier by comparison are teachers and instructors first who happen to be on yt. The folks who come here are here to learn, not to be entertained (although I find him interesting to watch as well as informative). As one of my old instructors said: “Its not supposed to be fun, it’s supposed to keep you alive. If you want to have fun, go play f-n’ xbox.”
@ishkabibble2204
Ай бұрын
Good dude with solid guidance. I'm glad he's around and sharing.
@timoanez4668
Ай бұрын
Unfortunately the majority of LEO's and their leadership are lazy or incompetent with their firearms. As a former LEO, l can say this with confidence.
@memaw3610
Ай бұрын
It’s a shame to see. Complacency is killer (literally) in any profession you carry a firearm for a living, be it downrange or even in training if one uses live munitions. I saw it at my old unit: folks not willing to put in the effort to be proficient with their assigned weapons, unwilling to run drills, etc. I think being entrusted with such executive authority (i.e. the potential to have to take a life in the line of duty) should carry with it the explicit notion that one has a responsibility to be as well-trained as possible; anything less is at best a disservice, at worst, well, some mistakes you can only make once.
@ScottCooper136
Ай бұрын
Amen. I have seen officers hand me a weapon that is absolutely filthy, which tells me they are not maintaining that weapon. When it breaks, I hope it is at the range and not when they need it to save their life!
@dangvorbei5304
Ай бұрын
Some are. I'd have to have served at a whole lot of agencies prior to making a claim like that, though. Maybe YOUR agency was lazy and inept.
@memaw3610
Ай бұрын
@@dangvorbei5304 Another fair point: sample size. A problem in one’s own unit is not necessarily applicable to the entire force. Nonetheless, for the agencies/units that do suffer these problems, they’re worth all the more to reinforce, and the ones that do not suffer those troubles deserve to be commended
@ScottCooper136
Ай бұрын
I know of an agency where the Sheriff and his chief deputy were indicted for taking drugs from seizures and selling themselves. Only those two were caught but none of those deputies that worked for them could go to any other agency as it was guilt by association. Have one idiot in a department and everyone that comes into contact with that guy will naturally assume that everyone else is like him
@reddeserted13
Ай бұрын
Man, I love these little videos. Clear, to the point, no BS.
@karimmanassa9634
Ай бұрын
Paul, your observations about target discrimination practice and how often Force on Force participants get shot in the hands really resonated with me. In response, I tried something new at my local indoor range and it was VERY helpful. I affixed a photorealistic shoot target on one side of the turner and a no shoot of the same photorealistic character on the opposite side. I then set the turner to random mode and now I had a working target discrimination trainer! All of your observations about the eyes and visuals were spot on. Appreciate you!
@nick3d155
Ай бұрын
Hey Paul, I run Patnik Solutions LLC. We have a patent pending on backup iron sights for handguns that increase that down range visibility without losing much of anything by way of usability. The rear iron sight sits completely below the optic glass. The graphic on our facebook page in our May 7th post illustrates the potential impact of seeing a potential target's actions more clearly. We're really hoping this invention helps protect people from missing critical down range information which can either get themselves or a no-shoot target killed. I'm aware that a low ready methodology would often provide yet even better visibility, but we believe this product is conducive to shooters who deploy that methodology as well. Thanks for the content. Even when I have a differing opinion, often because my circumstances are so vastly different from those which honed your knowledge base, I still respect you a lot and learn a ton. I hope to come and train at CSAT one day.
@paulhowe5863
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the note. Does your lower sight require the pistol to be pointed at the subject? I went to your site and tried to get a view. When time, let me know where to look to get an idea of your product.
@nick3d155
Ай бұрын
@@paulhowe5863 I can't do that here. I will email you.
@bh-2198
Ай бұрын
Thank you Mr. Howe! :) :us
@stickfighter1038
Ай бұрын
Really like these new targets.
@Texas_Vril
Ай бұрын
Outstanding! Thanks for another great knowledge transfer.
@tutley65
2 күн бұрын
Real deal!Thank you sir!
@AnthonyGTrees
Ай бұрын
Thanks for your work.
@dmanderson01
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this info. Great video and very interesting article. It’s difficult for us “regular guys” to find information like that. 👍
@andy_in_nh9243
Ай бұрын
As always - great info!
@irafowlerjr.7492
Ай бұрын
Helpful info, thanks
@pisom4314
Ай бұрын
great video, thanks for sharing with us!! valor ridge is a great channel also!!!
@charlesmckinley29
Ай бұрын
Thank you
@Mrgunsngear
Ай бұрын
🇺🇸
@BryanWiedeman
Ай бұрын
thanks
@salvadormelendez9749
Ай бұрын
"The Lessons that we learn..."
@theunofficialresults231
Ай бұрын
I am not, but if I was in LE, I sure would want to be trained up to the best of my abilities whether on my own or by the agency.
@Brett235
10 күн бұрын
My son is in law enforcement in Washington State, he's a deputy. He has taken multiple classes outside of what the sheriff's department offers and it has helped in a lot of ways. Force on force is one that he took that really opened his mindset. A lot of his training is more mental readiness because when the crap hits the fan your first thing that you think about shouldn't be your firearm in every scenario. It's cost him a lot of time and money but he says it's worth it.
@beardedred0032
Ай бұрын
If you are an officer, it is NOT up to leadership to reinforce or even dictate, to a certain degree your need for training. Training is more available now than ever and some very reputable places will provide it for free to LEOs, not to mention the low cost of dryfire. If you are on waiting for a budget to come through or direction from leadership to train on one of the most important items you have, then you are in the wrong profession. There is no excuse for not knowing the pros and cons of dots vs irons in the KZitem age nor the benefits of training more than your yearly quals.
@jeffcooper5789
Ай бұрын
I agree, think of it as insurance with a pay out.
@markhatfield5621
Ай бұрын
In recent years there is something I have heard more than once from LEOs, that departments are going out of their way to hire the least competent/qualified people. These hires stay at that level.
@JimTempleman
Ай бұрын
I agree with your intentions. The problem is that some agencies now view people who actually enjoy training with firearms 'in a negative light.' (How times have changed.)
@markhatfield5621
Ай бұрын
@@JimTempleman That attitude is not new.
@dangvorbei5304
Ай бұрын
@@markhatfield5621It's not that. It's DEI. Chieves get DoJ brownie points by not necessarily hiring the best applicant, and IACP pushes it as well. You can make arguments on either side of this practice, but if you're gonna do it, you have to accept that training untrained people comes with the deal.
@Ferrari_M5
Ай бұрын
19 seconds in and gave a like for the reference to Reid!!!
@charlieg5851
Ай бұрын
Are those targets available on your website proshop?
@thecsatway3622
Ай бұрын
Yes, just email Mark at csattactical@gmail.com for quotes.
@louiel8569
Ай бұрын
Reid's the man.
@JimTempleman
Ай бұрын
The authors of article you reference do not understand the implications of aiming with a red dot. In particular they do not seem to appreciate the added demands of learning to shoot with a red dot and maintaining that skill. It’s true that red dots allow one to remain target focused, but only if you have trained to the point where you can automatically align the pistol (under stress) so that the red dot is seen as soon as the pistol is fully extended. This level automatic alignment requires extensive training and regular practice to maintain the skill. Otherwise the shooter spends (wastes) a lot of time fishing for the dot. Shooting a handgun accurately, at speed, is a perishable skill. Shooting a handgun with a red dot is a doubly perishable skill. The saving grace is that red dots turn out to be excellent training aids for learning to align your aim as the weapon is extended . Thus red dots reward shooters who maintain their skills, with a fast, accurate, target focused aim. However, red-dots punish shooters who do not maintain their skills, and they end up ‘fishing for the dot’ on a cold draw. I’m afraid most police officers will not get the practice time necessary to remain proficient with red dots. Red dots are best applied by expert shooters who practice regularly, especially those who regularly attend sport shooting competitions, or train at a comparable level. From the article "- Over 70% of officers killed were at a distance of 0-10 feet (2019) " At 3 yards a flash-sight picture with iron sights should be sufficient. How many police officers are trained to apply a flash-sight picture? Here’s an error I noticed early in the article. They state: “The speed an average person can draw and fire a hidden handgun toward an officer during a traffic stop or other encounter is about a quarter to three quarters of a second.” Nobody can draw, point, & fire a handgun in 250 ms. That is the time it takes to shoot from a confirmed ready (reference Bill Rogers’ “Be Fast, Be Accurate, Be The Best”) . I led a research group in user interfaces at the Naval Research Lab for 15 years. Most of our R&D involved investigating the use of virtual simulation for training Marine Infantry in CQB.
@thecsatway3622
Ай бұрын
Great response and points. I also like the RDS to help with trigger press. I was hoping someone would make a magnet base so you could take them on and off iron guns to help teach dry fire or to give a shooter and idea what they look like. Thank you.
@JimTempleman
Ай бұрын
@@thecsatway3622 I suspect a magnetic base would not be strong enough to hold the RDS under recoil, while retaining zero. It would work well for 'dry fire only' training'. Of course if you invest in a quality RDS you're going to want to keep it on your firearm. I've found that the 'Dry Fire Mag' combined with a RDS takes my dry fire training to another level. Granted, there's no replacement for live fire practice.
@kerbalairforce8802
Ай бұрын
A person who draws their weapon and doesn't see their dot would have not had their irons aligned and confidently fired their weapon without knowing where their bullets are going.
@JimTempleman
Ай бұрын
@@kerbalairforce8802 If they don't see their iron sights aligned they can & should adjust them into alignment. Finding the front sight over top of the handgun is far easier for a moderately trained person then hunting for the red dot, without feedback until it is found. Having the red dot window to look through tends to focus peoples' attention on seeking the dot, until it shows up, rather than seeing the larger context. It tends to require a separate, deliberate action to shift one's attention over to looking for one's (co-witnessing) iron sights. And the clock keeps ticking. Good luck trying to train people out of such natural reactions. Of course, when the dot automatically appears for a well trained shooter, everything else falls into place, and target centered focus is achieved.
@slow2by2z
4 күн бұрын
Not an LEO but some points. 1 I'm like you, I'd love to see that .250 second draw and shot from concealment so that was definitely in error. 2 With 70% of deaths within 10 feet, I'm curious how effective/prevalent point shooting is at that range. Is even a flash sight picture worth the time you may give up? If the bad guy has acted first you are already behind on time. 3 Officers carry their firearms in defense of themselves as well as the public. I personally feel the bar on firearms training should be much higher for them. If not imposed by their chain of command, officers should surely place that training demand on themselves. I'm in the medical field and I am always trying to learn more/gain certifications to better myself in my field, even without my employer paying for it or pushing me into it. If I chose a profession where I had a high certainty of a gun fight, I would want as many advantages and as much training as possible. Training with a red dot to gain the advantages they give is not a big ask in my opinion. Simple dry fire exercises at home are very effective. 4 Draw stroke practice with focus on having the firearm properly aligned when presented is essential to delivering accurate shots faster, no matter which type of sight you are using.
@lukenick2299
Ай бұрын
Had a big gun tube channel argue with me that someone of the street can be trained to find their red dot in 5 mins…
@Brett235
10 күн бұрын
I had a red dot on one of my pistols and yes, I am more accurate more quickly if the target isn't moving and they are at distances further than 30 feet. If that target is running at you and shooting you do not have time to pull your weapon, out the dot on the target and get a shot off and actually hit the target. We did this with airsoft guns and it was a real eye opener. If the perpetrator gets the jump on you it's usually over before it gets started good.
@WojtekE4King
Ай бұрын
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@jeffjones7427
5 күн бұрын
@3:41 the gadget makes you slower. Can you provide some evidence that a human that won’t see a red dot under duress will see iron sights under duress with a perfect sight picture and sight alignment. The answer is individual training on cops. DRY FIRE. Has Csat Crew shot red dots on rifles? It’s way faster and pistols are no different. LE or soccer mom with a gun. Pick one.
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