Love WLL and their videos and love Marc! And most importantly, we love our ECM Casa V - didn't think we could love a machine more than our Silvia but we do!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, Wow! Thanks for the kind comment - you got a whole latte love going on there! ECM Casa V is an easy machine to love! Marc
@zazuzonker
4 жыл бұрын
I bought the 2019 version of the Gaggia Classic from WLL after considering the Silvia and I’m glad I did. It makes great espresso and steams like a champ. I’m the only espresso drinker in my house, so it’s been the perfect choice. Highly recommended.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi zazuzonker, Thanks for your purchase and sharing your opinion of the 2019 Gaggia Classic Pro. Marc
@seankelly9054
4 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel and i am so glad. In 3 mins you described what took me hours of forum research. Thank you.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sean, Thanks for the comment - happy you found us! Marc
@jhomrich89
2 жыл бұрын
I started on a Gaggia, then jumped to an Expobar Office Lever, and now I'm on a Quickmill QM67 double boiler with a quick mill flow control valve, to anyone looking at this video for the first time looking to take their coffee or espresso more seriously it's a fun and potentially expensive road to go down the more advanced you get and the more features you want on an upgrade
@Wholelattelovepage
2 жыл бұрын
Hey John -that's upgraditis! Marc
@beedslolkuntus2070
4 жыл бұрын
Why is coffee making so satisfying xD
@barbaradanese4422
3 жыл бұрын
Cannot believe how incredibly educational and useful these videos are...-Marc has also nailed the passion that is the essence of all things originating from italy ;)
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
hey barbara, Thanks a whole latte for the kind comment! Marc
@martydee755
3 жыл бұрын
Came here bcoz my sister in-law is looking for one of these machines. I believe the gaggia will serve her right. These guys have been my go-to ever since i got my synchronika almost 4yrs ago (not from them, i live in Montreal) What can i say, the videos they make have almost too much information sometimes, if thats a thing. they really go into details and its awesome. Marc is a true espresso lover no doubt about it. He answers questions to anyone, customers or not doesn't matter and that show just how much he love the industry. I also really like when he and Todd make videos together. You know it'll be more in depth, more technical. (Flow control, calculating flow rate...i mean, damn) They both basically show you everything you need to know step-by-steps..you cannot find any better infos anywhere imo, unless you get some home lessons. Keep it up guys 👍
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Marty, Thanks for the kind comment! Todd and I love this stuff and strive to provide as much detail as possible. We've been a little separated with the virus but hope to get together soon for more. Hope you are enjoying your Synchronika! Guessing you know it's out favorite dual boiler machine. Also, looks like we'll be coming your way soon. Marc
@martydee755
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage you're welcome guys. That covid has many of us having to change plans this year myself included but eh, life goes on right! What do you mean coming my way?
@dzurisintube
4 жыл бұрын
I owned a Gaggia "Espresso" (precursor to the Classic) and now own a MeCoffee PID'd Silvia. I have to say that if I was in the market today it would be awfully hard to pass on the 2019 Classic Pro. I do love my Silvia and feel that it has a very "solid" build quality (much higher than the Classic Pro I'm guessing) however I do feel a bit concerned about rusting issues down the line. In all I think it would be hard to go wrong with any of these but the real eye-catcher is the Classic due to price and capability. The real question is how any of these machines rebut the Breville/Sage line that is so prevalent these days. Most forum types argue that the repair-ability and longevity is lacking but some real test data would be useful given the value proposition.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi d, Thanks for the comment. No machines touch the Classic Pro on price/performance evaluation. IMO the Classic and the Silvia are very similar in build quality. You bring up the Silvia rusting issues which i did not cover directly in the video other than mentioning the painted steel. When the paint is chipped rust can occur. The machines in this video are very easy to work on if needed down the road and parts are inexpensive and readily available - especially for the Classic. I've worked with and reviewed many Breville (Sage in some areas) products. They offer a lot of bang for the buck but they are appliances. Take care of them well and they can provide a reasonable service life. But, when something goes wrong they are not at all user serviceable. I do not have real test data to back that up. I do have my experience getting inside these machines which blow away the appliance type products in quality of components and build. Marc
@benjaminc1816
4 жыл бұрын
You’re right about the Silvia rusting issues - mine is 8 years old and the black chassis was rusting and peeling - last week I stripped the whole machine down as it needed a service, sent the base off for sand blasting and powder coating (It’s now Mercedes Grey as it was coated along with a batch of wheels) - it’s now back together and looking better than ever!
@durkadur27
4 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminc1816 interesting did you make a reddit post?
@benjaminc1816
4 жыл бұрын
durkadur27 no - I’ve taken loads of photo though and plan to post at some point!
@Buzzwindrip
4 жыл бұрын
I'm on my second Classic Pro, and am now considering returning the current one and getting the Sylvia. My first Classic Pro (bought it in mid-January 2020) was returned after two weeks because the leaking (pouring) steam valve was ridiculous. It's a known problem; not sure why Gaggia doesn't spec a better one. My second pro is in week two, and I am tired of it choking on grinds that should be no problem. The brew pressure must be close to the 14 bar it is spec'd with, and it is not adjustable. The fact that the OPV isn't adjustable puts the Classic Pro in the appliance category, imho. I have had to open the steam valve briefly to get it to extract when it starts choking. Yeah, there are kludges for OPV adjustment, but they void the warranty. Plus, the lack of a fully articulated steam wand gets old, too. I just wanted to add another, albeit less rosy, perspective when considering the Classic pro.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi B, Thanks for the comment sharing your experience. Machines with vibration pumps are typically setup to deliver higher potential max pressure than what you'd have on prosumer level machines with rotary pumps. Those rotary pumps have a much higher flow rate than vibration pumps. Pressure difference between professional/prosumer machines and consumer machines is something I've heard Luca Bezzara explain as they make both types. In the end, pressure on the coffee is controlled by grind size. Grind coarser and pressure will be lower with a higher flow, grinder finer pressure increases and flow rate decreases. Only time you'll get anywhere near 14 bar pressure on the coffee is if grind is fine enough to cause it. If you are in the US and would like to discuss in more detail please contact our tech support 585-924-7170
@JoeC92
4 жыл бұрын
Can't speak for pro but I just replaced my 8 year old classic with the Silvia since my boiler was falling apart and tainting the water. From what I found online it happens with aluminum boilers. Either way really impressed with the Silvia and the power of it
@chriscase6929
3 жыл бұрын
I've had my Gaggia Classic Pro for about 9 months and I'm having a really positive experience. I do see some water drip from the steam wand, but I believe that was due to not descaling for the first 9 months :P
@petervansan1054
2 жыл бұрын
OPV is easy mod, if you can't do that, drink keurig! Also it does not void warranty at all.
@Buzzwindrip
2 жыл бұрын
@@petervansan1054 Dude, Keurig, lol. Like it’s either, or. Just stfu.
@AnthonySpiteri-s5u
Ай бұрын
All great points, and machines don't end up in landfill!!
@Wholelattelovepage
Ай бұрын
Thanks! Machine grade products = longevity and repairability! Marc
@67daltonknox
4 жыл бұрын
I was in the market for a pump espresso machine 8 years ago and after reading reviews was looking for a Saeco Poemia. It had just been discontinued (to reappear as a stainless steel model at twice the price), and I found one at half price ($75) at Frys. The coffee was so good, I wanted one for my ski place and eventually found a reconditioned one on line for $53. They have both been in constant use since and make good espresso. I can't imagine paying all that money for a Gaggia Pro which uses essentially the same engine.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi dk, If you're happy with the Poemia that's great! But, I have to say it does not use "the same engine" as the Classic Pro. The Poemia uses a thermoblock boiler, has no 3-way solenoid valve (soupy pucks), is an appliance - if it breaks it's not user serviceable, pressurized filter basket, auto-froths so latte art quality fine textured milk is near impossible. Classic Pro has a real boiler, manual steaming, is a true user serviceable machine. Very repairable, parts are cheap and uses a true commercial size/weight portafilter. Marc
@Todd63790
3 жыл бұрын
Gaggia for me after years of buying cheap brands the Gaggia stands up Ciao de Australia 🇦🇺👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Todd, Thanks for the comment! Marc
@Henri2492
3 жыл бұрын
I just love your reviews, you are such a nice, always good mooded person and your reviews do indeed contain tons of valuable informations. Although I am from Europe and can't buy from you guys, I took your reviews for some decisions regarding my coffee equipment (Espresso machine and grinder. Thank you for your efforts and please continue your nice work.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Henri, Thanks for the kind comments - appreciated and makes me smile! Marc
@Satine_Moisant
4 жыл бұрын
ECM gets my vote Mark! I looooove that adjustable brew pressure and that gauge! It's gorgeous too!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi SM, Thanks for sharing your opinion. From a detail standpoint the ECM is a cut above the others. Marc
@JoeC92
4 жыл бұрын
Just switched to the Silvia after my classic (8 years old) started tasting really bad. Found out it's from the aluminum boiler. Descaled monthly like they say. Took it apart and the boiler will leave your finger black. It's a decent entry level machine but there's reasons I didn't buy another and upgraded. One of the main reasons, a local store where I bought my replacement pump when it broke. As a service place he said "if a Silvia comes in broken it's the owner that messed it up but the machine breaking" That paired with reviews saying a Silvia will last 20 years easy I was sold. Bought it locally here in Canada this time instead of through whole latte love since it was actually cheaper here (really surprising) was $350 more than buying another classic and worth every penny. If you will use this machine multiple times a day like I do it's truthfully worth the extra money. I didn't think it was until I had it. The steaming power is significantly better and much better boiler that will last way longer and easily serviced.
@ReefBrosCanada
3 жыл бұрын
Where in Canada did you buy it? Shipping and duties are real high.
@JoeC92
3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefBrosCanada the Silvia? Consiglios kitchenware
@bluemystic7501
4 жыл бұрын
Hey! I just want to thank you guys for your awesome content. I just ordered a grinder from you guys and your videos really helped me narrow down the perfect one. Thanks!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi blue, You are most welcome and thank you for your comment - it's appreciated a whole latte :) What grinder did you get? Marc
@bluemystic7501
4 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage I bought my brother a Baratsa Encore for his Moka Pot as a wedding gift. He is currently using a blade grinder so I wanted to give him a nice upgrade with my budget being $150. Was the Encore a good choice for the Moka Pot?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@petervansan1054
2 жыл бұрын
Gaggia can do hot water as well, just press both steam and brew buttons :)
@Wholelattelovepage
2 жыл бұрын
You are correct. Just doesn't have a dedicated single pump switch like some of the others. Marc
@timmyf15
4 жыл бұрын
Great video Mark. I started with a Classic, and it's still my recommendation for an entry level machine. Having used both the Classic and Silvia, one thing that's not often considered is the drip tray. The Silvia has a small pan under the tray which is ridiculously small, fills up quickly, and is easy to spill when trying to move it to the sink. The Classic's is much larger and requires emptying less often.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi t, Thanks for adding that. The Silvia drip tray is smaller than the others and you are correct it's shallow so can be a bit messy. Marc
@NoKidding66
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage I've had a Silvia for 20+ years and it's been a great machine all that time. You're right about the drip tray, it's too small and real hassle to empty if you wait too long. My other complaint is the water capacity. It's too small if you do multiple drinks a lot. My water is from a well and is too mineralized to use so I use bottled water. I buy in bulk so I always have enough water to drink and make coffee beverages. That said, my Silvia has served me well for over 20 years but it's time for me to retire it. The steel frame has rusted and I can't get that tray out anymore. Their new model doesn't have that shortcoming. I'm liking the Gaggia Classic Pro for it's price and features. Really don't want to buy another high end machine
@vab120
4 жыл бұрын
Of course everyone will talk about Rocket or La Marzocco, but Gaggia is undoubtably the best bang for the buck.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Va B, Thanks for the comment!
@novideosnovideos544
4 жыл бұрын
Love these comparison videos. Keep them coming!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi NvNv, Thanks for the comment. I will! Marc
@TheMihi81
4 жыл бұрын
I love this channel also, Marc and his team are so sympathic. Keep going, great job!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, Thank you for the comment! So many great people here spreading a whole latte coffee love!!! Marc
@dariodangelo8938
4 жыл бұрын
Just bought a Gaggia Classic mod. 2019....fantastic!!!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi DD, That's awesome. Thanks for sharing your opinion! Marc
@dariodangelo8938
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love Thanks to you, Marc, for this very interesting channel👍 A video on the various qualities of coffee beans would also be interesting, but maybe it's already here... and I haven't found it 🥴 I’m from Naples, Italy, and I have always used a fantastic quality: Passalacqua Harem (arabica and Jamaica Blue Mountain). If you find it in the States try it...you won't regret it !! 👍😉 Saluti dall’Italia!!!
@MrMarki134
3 жыл бұрын
@@dariodangelo8938 oh passalacqua mexico bar e il mio caffè preferito!!!!
@dariodangelo8938
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrMarki134 Passalacqua Harem as well...😉👋
@MrMarki134
3 жыл бұрын
@@dariodangelo8938 i'll order it then! I'm gonna try saka caffè first
@SemiLobster
3 жыл бұрын
Great review! It's nice to see all these machines go head to head with each other with a pro! I would really love to see an under-the-hood of La Pavoni's manual espresso machines and how they compare to other entry level machines, the Baretto and the Gran Caffe are priced near the Gaggia Classic Pro but they're all metal.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hey SL, Thanks for the comment. Have this video on a La Pavoni from while ago: kzitem.info/news/bejne/umyYvp6kjqRlmXo Don't have access to other machines you mentioned but if/when I do... Marc
@SemiLobster
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage It's the man (and VOICE!) himself! I love the videos, I've been binging them like crazy recently! Thanks for the link! We have these machines up here in Canada but I guess maybe they're not in the US yet! Keep up the great videos and keep making great espresso!
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Will do! I hope you’ll pick us for your espresso equipment through our Canadian website! Sorry, not sorry for the shameless plug😀 Marc
@jakobw135
Жыл бұрын
Why would you get a better Brew if you grind your own beans and then use a non-pressurized basket, compared to using pre-ground, which is also ground coffee, and a pressurized basket?
@Wholelattelovepage
Жыл бұрын
Hi J, Once ground coffee loses a lot of flavor as aromatic compounds evaporate.
@mr_glasses
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark! Really great comparison video. That ECM is gorgeous. I was wondering... is there a reason you guys don't carry Lelit machines?
@xlifewritex
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty simple. No 58 commercial portafilter on Lelit unless you go to the Victoria at $1,500. Brass Boilers unhealthy. And they are rip off merchants. Only decent one they have is the Marax, Elizabeth and one above that where you have to pay $2000 to get that. The rest are crap and unhealthy with brass boilers. What can you expect from a company that makes irons for living. They are con artists.
@splitchy559
3 жыл бұрын
@@xlifewritex Wrong, u have 600 euros Lelit machines that comes with 58mm portafilter.
@xlifewritex
3 жыл бұрын
@@splitchy559 Maybe in Europe but not in the USA or CANADA PLus they are all crappy brass which is not good for you.
@pd3682
3 жыл бұрын
The Rancilio Silva has a brass boiler as well according to the Internet but you reviewed that machine.
@pierrepichet7991
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, what about the Lelit Elizabeth or Mara ? are they good ? I could not find much on your channel for this brand. tx
@Wholelattelovepage
2 жыл бұрын
Hi PP, Thanks for the question. Lelit is not a brand we cover. We have perhaps the widest selection of machines available in North America and have other brand's machines with similar features at a given price point which our experts feel have better overall construction. Marc
@adamkovacs9154
4 жыл бұрын
Hello Marc, many thanks for the video! Does the Bezzera Hobby have an adjustable OPV for setting the maximum brew pressure?
@MrArdytube
3 жыл бұрын
Thx for an excellent review of entry level choices Btw, Marc, one way one can lnsure a level tamp is to do the initial tamp with your fingers resting on both the tamper top and portafilter basket. This way you can accurately feel what is level. Then finish tamp with the handle as usual. (Although I agree that a leveler is best)
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ardy, You are welcome and thanks for a good tip. I'm terrible at level tamping so prefer levelers for increased consistency. Marc
@angelabuenafeYT
4 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Super helpful review. The kind i always look for!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Angela, Thanks for the comment - glad to hear you enjoyed! Marc
@event4216
4 жыл бұрын
Me, I'm happy I don't have to choose right now as each machine has some drawbacks - technical or visual, real or imaginable) But sure this selection is good place to start and not loose money on plastic fantastics and not get disappointed in home espresso.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi 1, Thanks for the comment. The right machine depends on one's needs. Machines in this video are all entry-level single boiler which come with the wait between brewing and steaming as the machine heats to steam temp. You are right on with advice to stay away from the plastic appliances! Marc
@Kats072307
3 жыл бұрын
I love my Silvia v6 2020 together with a Ceado E6P
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Kats072307 thanks for the comment! Marc
@xPho3niix
4 жыл бұрын
How does the Lelit PL41 TEM with PID compare to those models?
@manuelandrade9834
2 ай бұрын
Great job!!!
@Wholelattelovepage
2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@Anthony-hu3rj
4 жыл бұрын
I have owned a Gaggia Classic for 6 1/2 years. Along the way I've had to replace some parts, which has been frustrating, but finally I learned to DESCALE regularly. Every other month, without fail, I descale. Also, I bought a BWT water filtration system which hopefully helps keep the internal parts of the machine stay in good shape.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony, Thanks for sharing your experience. I expect you'll get another 6.5 years and beyond! These machines are like cars and due require periodic maintenance and parts. Nice thing about the Classic it' very user serviceable and parts are cheap. Really set's it apart from cheap entry level espresso appliances. When those go bad they usually end up in the trash. Controlling scale by descaling or treating water with BWT filter is the best way to keep a machine going! Marc
@NoKidding66
Жыл бұрын
Mark, I have a Silvia V1 that I've had for over 20 years. I learned "Espresso" on it and it continues to work very well. Problem is the rust you referred to. I've got a real problem with the drip tray now rusted in place so I'm getting a new frame and need a new drip tray. Will the current drip tray fit the older frame? If so, do you have these in stock. I agree with your eval of both these machines but I'm keeping my Silvia if the new frame and a drip tray that fits works out. Appreciate your evaluations, they're very thorough and well done.
@Wholelattelovepage
Жыл бұрын
Hi NK66, Thanks for the kind comments! I believe current drip tray will fit but not 100% certain. Best bet is to contact our tech support team for a specific answer based on the product you have. You can reach them here: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc
@danjv
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Marc and thanks for this comparison. Just what I've been waiting for. At your recommendation I've got my eye on the Gaggia Classic Pro. There seems to be no choice in the matter for me. My first car cost less than the other three. I have a question about grind size. My grinder, the Baratza Encore, states a 250 micron minimum grind size. Researching the optimum grind for quality espresso I found 225 to be "ideal." The question is most everyone says that to dial in a shot only change the grind size. Logic tells me that scientific research encompasses all variables. So pressure, temperature and brew time can be adjusted as well to achieve the "perfect shot. What are your thoughts?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel, Read through the video comments here and owner reviews of the Classic here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-pro and the Classic sounds like the right choice. You can use other variables to affect your shot but grind size is far and away the most important. After that it's dose weight in that you can keep the same grind size and increase the dose weight to slow down a shot. Doing that is a work-around that works but not the same as changing grind size. While the Encore may be passable for some as an espresso grinder it's not one I'd recommend. As you've found it's on the edge of going fine enough. Also it's likely to get tedious in day to day use as you'll have to grind into the bin and then dose your portafilter. Also no provision for timed grinding. The Baratza Sette 30 is about the minimum I'd recommend (See DevilDog83 comment below): www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-30-ap-conical-burr-grinder Hope that helps and let me know if you have any more questions. Marc
@billredding2000
4 жыл бұрын
I use the "appliance-class" espresso machines vs. "prosumer class" espresso machines to differentiate the two products. The main difference to me is the materials used and how they are made (hand-built/assembled). Some of the appliance class machines CAN make very good espresso (such as the upper level Breville machines) but they're still "appliance class." Due to that (and another reason or two) I didn't want any appliance-class machine -- or appliance-class grinder, either (machine/grinder "pairing" is very important)! Personally, I went prosumer: A VBM Domobar Super HX manual/rotary "switchable" espresso machine and a Mazzer Mini Electronic Type A. I upgraded from a Rancilio Sylvia and Rancilio Rocky doserless grinder pairing I used for about 3 years. Next up (in my dreams): A Kees van der Westen "Speedster" -- and of course, a worthy grinder for it! I think that's as far as I'd go...meaning, no more upgrading "needed" -- besides, it's "wanting" not really needing! ;-) Really, at some price-point you don't get $$$$ better espresso (point of diminishing returns) than the also expensive machine you're upgrading from, you just get more bling. I think of it as buying "better art" (sculpture, if you will) that also just happens to make espresso. ;-) -- BR
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill, Thank you for the detailed comment. I agree with all your points! I've worked with higher-end Breville products like the Oracle and earlier dual boiler models. They can make excellent espresso but as you mention they are appliance class. Factory assembled in China with low to no user serviceability, lots of plastic and proprietary parts. Your current machine is a nice step up from the Silvia/Rocky combo. I'm curious as to why you choose the Mazzer Mini Electronic? They were well respected years ago but have not changed much. I'll be honest, the Mini drives me nuts with the unsealed chamber threads and the 3 little springs the top burr plate rests on. A pain to clean IMO and when the threads get gunked up a bit jumpy to adjust. There's definitely a point of diminishing returns with machines. I have been working a lot with flow profiling recently on commercial machines like the Dalla Corte Mina and prosumer level machines from Profitec/ECM using E61 groups equipped with their flow profiling device. Amazing what flow rate adjustment can do. An FCD equipped E61 can accomplish what you can on a GS3 or Slayer. If you have not heard about the FCD here's more from an article in Roast Magazine's Daily Coffee News: dailycoffeenews.com/2019/04/10/whole-latte-love-and-profitec-ecm-launch-flow-control-device-for-e61-groupheads/ Marc
@billredding2000
4 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for that link re: the LaunchFlow... "I'm curious as to why you choose the Mazzer Mini Electronic? They were well respected years ago but have not changed much." -- Marc Well, Marc, I bought it "years ago" (Summer 2015)! But I was impressed with Mazzer durability/quality. IIRC, Ceado was coming onto the market about then, and IMO the Mazzer was a better product all-around, performance and quality/durability-wise. And I have to say in the 4 years I've had it, it's been fine, have never felt any need (or "want") to upgrade the Mini. And I liked it having 64mm burrs (which last forever, IIRC they'll go for 660lbs of coffee = YEARS for me!) which were larger burrs at that time -- but I didn't do the "Jolly Mod" (swapping-out the Mini's burrs for a Super Jolly's) -- and $1K was all I wanted to spend on a grinder at that time, given the VBM was $2K...a cost & performance pairing choice. And IMO, the pairing was quite appropriate. And finally, at that time I didn't have that "sophisticated palate" (espresso snob?) some espressoists do -- I still don't! I'm just a simple, uncouth gorilla, so what do *I* know anyway? ;-) But since both the VBM and Mazzer have worked well for me so far -- no complaints -- I'll keep them indefinitely...Well, until the time comes that UPS dumps my Kees van der Westen Speedster at my front door (or kicks the box out the van's door onto the pavement) and perhaps another Mazzer grinder (Robur or Kony) along with it, or perhaps a Mahlkonig. If so, that'll have to do and would likely be my LAST pairing! Just hope I'd live long enough to pay the "ensemble" off! ;-) BTW, Slayers are also nice...if it's too hard to get parts (from Holland) for the Speedster, I may go with the American product Slayer (if THEIR parts aren't also hard to get). Or to keep things Italian, a La Marzocco GS/3. Who knows... One more thing re: appliance class vs. prosumer-class: Applicance machines aren't really designed/built to be worked on and MAY not last but a few years -- then you toss them out or, if still working give them to a friend or donate them to SA or Goodwill. Prosumer machines ARE designed/built to be worked on and expected to last decades. THAT'S a big difference, too. As for Breville, I had heard they don't WANT any "end-user" working on their machines...they want them sent back to Breville for work/repair. I'd rather work on my machine myself...and you can if it's prosumer-class as the end-user is expected to work on it (if need be): Shipping a HEAVY, fragile and $$$$ prosumer machine back and forth to the dealer/importer/distributor is NOT recommended! Not to mention expensive shipping/insurance fees. So work on it myself I will, but preferably with my dealer's tech-support helping me diagnose the problem, then guiding me through the fix/repair via e-mail or phone. But so far, my VBM and Mazzer have had ZERO issues. I think using quality water that ALSO works to mitigate scale helps prevent serious issues, too. Happy Espresso-ing, -- BR
@JamesScottGuitar
4 жыл бұрын
What's the entry level price to get a good espresso machine? Does the Classic Pro represent that? Thanks! Great video! ❤️
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi JSG, Thanks for the comment and question. IMO the Gaggia Classic Pro is the best value in a machine grade entry-level espresso machine. Here's current pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-pro Marc
@Bilalnwo
4 жыл бұрын
Very clear and informative video. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, Will do my best and thank you for taking a moment to comment! Marc
@mikechurcher9320
4 жыл бұрын
How does the Classic Pro compare with the Gaggia Anima Prestige for making espresso? For regular coffee I seem to appreciate drip coffee better than coffee from my Anima Prestige. Maybe I need to play around with the grind more than I have??
@hlq2action310
4 жыл бұрын
I never had a soupy mess with my old appliance Delonghi EC190CD Ser. Nr : S07 :) more than 10 years of owning it and still rocking, but now i am going to acquire à 2013 GAGGIA CLASSIC to see the results... made in ROMANIA and not in ITALY, depends of the year of manufacture i guess.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi h, Thanks for the comment. It was about a year ago all Gaggia manufacturing returned to Italy. Marc
@mazx19
2 жыл бұрын
Is the Ponte Vecchio Lusso any good?
@samilavin3924
4 жыл бұрын
I am looking at getting either the new Gaggia classic or a new Rancilio Silvia but struggling to get to showrooms to see the machines side by side. Putting the price difference aside, and the classic having a bigger boiler for milk steaming. Is there a clear winner either way? Maybe in reliability, or serviceability? Or in overall build quality? I don’t mind spending a bit more to get the Silvia if I knew I was getting a overall better, longer lasting machine. Down the line I would like to consider having a PID fitted, are they both happy in taking them? Many thanks in advance!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sami, Thanks for the questions. It's actually the Silvia which has the larger boiler. Build quality is similar. The Classic IMO wins in serviceability. Easy to work on, parts are low cost and easy to get. For me, it's hard to ignore the substantial price difference between the machines. And, if you do milk drinks on a regular basis it's about twice as long for the Silvia to reach steaming temp. For normal size milk drinks I prefer the Classic. It has plenty of steam for those and is ready so much faster. I know many people mod these single boiler machines with PID. It does make for tighter in boiler temps but I personally believe its overkill on these machines - also voids warranties. Hope that helps! Marc
@samilavin3924
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love Very helpful! Many thanks for all the details!
@christopheraventiss5541
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Marc, thanks for the Valuable comparison video! you mentioned that the gaggia is the only one which comes with a pressurized basket and though helpful for those who don't own a grinder. My question is that what exactly hurts the most not combining these machines with a premium grinder? Is it not just ok buying pre-ground coffee?
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi CA, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question. Pre-ground coffee is a big limitation. As soon as it is ground it loses flavor. But depends on how far one wants to go in espresso. There's a busy cafe not far from my home which brews espresso with ESE Pods (pre-ground coffee packaged in single use paper filter) in a $20,000 commercial machine. Makes me cringe and with my taste I would never purchase their espresso. On the other hand they sell 100's of lattes a day at $4/ea and customers seem perfectly happy with them. With the Classic Pro one can get into espresso using pre-ground (or ESE Pods) so you don't have to have a grinder to start. Then, if you want to make it better down the road like when taste demands or budget allows add a nice burr grinder for an instant upgrade to far better espresso! Marc
@christopheraventiss5541
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Oh I see, Many thanks for your reply.
@markd.ladisch2953
4 жыл бұрын
I am considering a semi-automatic vs a super automatic (e.g, gaggia classic vs gaggia brera). My only concern is the amount of work every morning for a semi. However, we want really good milk foaming for cappuccinos and lattes, which we are hesitant about for the super autos. Under $1k what is the right way to go? Is there a super auto in this price range that really makes good milk comparable to a semi?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, Thanks for the question. Lower cost supers are good at doing a traditional cappuccino style froth which is airier than the very fine textured manually frothed milk in a well made latte which you can do on the Gaggia Classic Pro. For the convenience of a super-auto you do give up a little in potential froth quality. It's a little over your budget, but have a look at the Gaggia Accademia. It has an auto-frothing milk carafe for milk based drinks at the touch of a button. When using the carafe milk drinks can be set to one of 3 froth densities. When you have a little more time the Accademia also has a manual steaming wand. So you can froth to that super-fine latte art capable froth. You can see how that works in this video: kzitem.info/news/bejne/2JqK0quXnISBg4Y and learn more about the Accademia here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-accademia-espresso-machine
@Centrinario
2 жыл бұрын
No love for my Lelit Anna? Also comes with a pressure indicator.
@ammibones9279
4 жыл бұрын
Best channel about coffee..
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ammi, Well, thanks for the kind comment - it's appreciated! Marc
@husssaaiinnn
4 жыл бұрын
hello there hopefully i get a quick answer because i need it if i find a second hand rancilio silvia v6 for the price of a new gaggia classic .. should i go for it? thank you
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi EE, Thanks for the question. That would be a good value IMO so long as the previous owner took good care of the machine - like it's not packed full of scale. The Silvia new runs about 2x the price of a Classic. Marc
@jawsfishing5235
4 жыл бұрын
Hi i was wondering do any of these machines have pid temperature control i was looking at the breville (sage in my region) batista express and it claims to have a sort of temperature control although not user changeable. I know that the breville has a coil heater as apposed to a boiler. Do you think these boiler machines have better temperature control?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi JF, Thanks for the question. None of the machines here have PID. You'd need to go to a single boiler machines like the Bezzera Unica or ECM Classika for that. Those are true machines with real boilers, E61 thermosiphon groups and heavy commercial size 58mm portafilters for excellent temperature consistency. The Barista Express falls into the appliance category. It heats water on demand. While Breville/Sage says they have temp control it's more marketing than real world performance IMO. Marc
@jawsfishing5235
4 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the reply it helped alot ill definitely go for one of these machines most likely the Bezzera Hobby or the Gaggia Classic Pro because i heard the silvia has rusting problems. Which machine would you recommend if im willing to tinker or mod the machine and use it for a long time?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Jaws Fishing Classic pro for the price or Hobby if you like steam power. Either can be opened up and tinkered with.
@gregoryrobak456
2 жыл бұрын
Due to counter-depth/cabinet overhang constraints, I have to rule out the Casa V. I'm considering the Gaggia Classic Pro and Bezzera Hobby. I would solely be making lattes and cappuccinos for myself and my wife several times a week.. For the Gaggia, I would get the WLL "Prestige" package with the better portafilter, etc. Is the Bezzera Hobby portafilter excellent quality, or less-premium like the plastic Gaggia handle? I know many complain about the Gaggia's higher brew pressure, does the Hobby come set at a higher pressure as well?
@Wholelattelovepage
2 жыл бұрын
Hi GR, The Hobby does have a nice PF. It's angled so the basket sits parallel to counter when tamping. Quality is similar to Profitec PFs. Those complaining about higher brew pressure don't know the whole story. In smaller machines like the Classic and the Hobby brew pressure is set higher in order to produce a proper flow rate. Those measuring higher pressures are doing so in a closed system which does not take into consideration what's happening during an actual extraction in which pressure is bleeding off through the puck. With properly dialed in grind size brew pressure on either the Classic or the Hobby will be in the proper range for espresso extraction. Yes the Hobby is set to a higher closed system brew pressure like the Classic. Marc
@rash4u78
3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, We are about to open a budget coffee shop back home. Frankly speaking, I have Zero knowledge when it comes coffee machines. I need your help to decide between the two below machines as they fit my budget. Expobar Zircon Compact Coffee Machine or SAB Jolly 2 Groups Auto Compact If you think there's a better machine for AED 6000, please post it below.
@louisgilbert3920
4 жыл бұрын
In your opinion, is the Baratza Sette 30 mill suitable for GCP with the regular basket?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi LG, Thanks for the question. While not ideal, It's one of the best options IMO for the price. Much better than something like the Breville Smart Grinder Pro. Better choice is the Sette 270 which has micro adjustment of grind size. A new favorite option is the Bezzera BB005. It's a low cost machine grade grinder - Sette is high-end appliance grade. Bezzera BB005 has very precise grind size adjustment. Unfortunately, it's currently out of stock. We expect to have more in about 3 weeks. Learn more about the BB005 here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder Hope that helps! Marc
@A12Diary
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been digging for a the best choice of coffee maker for about three days. At first, I wanted a black coffee maker, but then I released that I need a good grinder with specific features. Then I thought about buying an espresso machine since I like drinking Americano “ kind of similar to black “ and I can make a latte anytime I like ( one investment at a time). What’s the best option for money value. Help me out to decide Please 😣 One important question: does black coffee maker consume more beans or less than the espresso machine? You may include any other type of dripping tool in the comparison
@beachdays561
4 жыл бұрын
Espresso maker and black coffee maker wouldn't use any extra beans, best idea is to compare the prices of the coffee makers that you can find in your region and factor in shipping costs. I have a Silvia and have found it to be excellent. Like anything you need to take care of the Machines and clean them after use and they will give you a long service life
@squibcakes74
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I really like the clear delivery of your reviews Can you please also recommend or make a video on entry level espresso that have a pressure gauge and HX.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi squib, Thanks for the request! We have a bunch of videos comparing HX boiler machines. Working on one today which features the Profitec Pro 500 PID with flow control. It's a PID HX machine and the flow control device integrated into the E61 group gives it capabilities of far more expensive machines. It allows you to control brew water flow and do long low pressure pre-infusions which help with very freshly roasted coffee by allowing them to de-gas CO2. Alternately, you can hit the coffee hard initially similar to a rotary pump machine (the Pro 500 PID is vibration pump) by allowing pressure to build up before opening flow of brew water. Profitec machines have exceptional build quality with features like sprung valves and stainless steel mushroom valves. Look for that video in the next few days which will include the Pro 600 a reservoir only vib pump dual boiler and Pro 700 a plumbable rotary pump dual boiler machine both soon to be available with the E61 flow control. The 600 and 700 feature best in class steaming power. In the meantime, here's a link to my video comparing 3 top HX machines: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lH2L32eQgJirh2k Marc
@chernowitz
3 жыл бұрын
What would make ECM CASA V the best entry level machine would be a PID. They have the parts, why don’t they just fit it onto it? Please review a Lelit Victoria
@Wryer
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! What's the estimated start up time for each of these machines to start pulling a shot, say from a cold start?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi WWC, Thanks for the comment and question. I'd give each machine 15 minutes with empty portafilter locked in while warming up. That said the Classic with the smaller boiler and higher watts can be ready to go sooner. All can be helped along by running blank shots to heat the portafilter after they been on for 5 minutes or so. Marc
@juniorswertvaegher
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark! Would you prefer the Breville barista pro over the Silva or the Brezerra Hobby?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi j, If you do not have a grinder the Barista Pro has one. Grinding whole beans fresh is critical. However, keep in mind the Breville is an appliance while the Silvia and the Hobby are true machines which if properly maintained will give a much longer service life and are in most cases user repairable. If something goes wrong with the Breville it will take a technician to repair and depending on age and issue it may not be worth a repair. Of the three I'd prefer the Hobby if paired with a decent grinder. Marc
@juniorswertvaegher
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love, Thank you very much! I’ll go for the Hobby as well
@MetalPirate
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I ordered a Gaggia Classic Pro recently to replace my Delonghi Stilosa, so now my entire KZitem feed is coffee. It sounds like it will be a big ugrade for me. I'll definitely have to look to you guys next time I look to upgrade something.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, It will definitely be an upgrade - especially if paired with a nice grinder! Huge difference in espresso quality moving from pressurized filter basket in your Delonghi to using whole beans ground fresh and non-pressurized filter basket in the Classic Pro. We have a ton of videos on the Gaggia Classic >30, so search our channel for those. Here's one specifically dealing with easy upgrades for the Classic Pro: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lKKAlmSIpKqcaII Enjoy your new machine! Marc
@MetalPirate
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, and I've been grinding my own for quite a while, mostly for Aeropress and pour over before I more recently got into doing espresso at home, so my grinder should be at least passable for now, but that's probably my next expensive upgrade at some point. I'll check out the video for sure and get some ideas there as well.
@tonygibbons5
3 жыл бұрын
@@MetalPirate what were your opinions of the Stilosa?
@alboy1742
3 жыл бұрын
So what about the Quick Mill Pippa vs all these?
@Luforge
4 жыл бұрын
Well Presented Mark!..Nice blue shirt too! Good to see the ECM casa in comparison with the others..
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
J Luforge Hi, great to hear from you JL! Thanks for the kind comment. Black to blue! Casa is the star of the bunch for refined quality. Marc
@JohnSmith-bn7bl
4 жыл бұрын
another great video Mark, thanks. where do u get those ECM cups from.. very nice
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi John thanks for the kind comment. We have ECM cups available here in 2 espresso varieties: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/cups-and-saucers?_=pf&pf_v_brand=ECM Marc
@SuperMatrix59
3 жыл бұрын
Updated rancilio. Old one brass boiler not good for the health. I’m too Leary plus the SS you don’t have to worry about burning boiler if it runs empty. Still all great models.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dirk, Thanks for the comment. I'm not to concerned about the brass in recent machines. Italian manufacturers meet higher standards than what is required in most US states for that. But stainless steel is probably the most inert of the metals used in espresso machine boilers. Marc
@SuperMatrix59
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage I did not know that. Thank you for info.
@FFCpower
3 жыл бұрын
Hello , i am looking for a espresso machine and i am between Gaggia Classic and Sage The Duo Temp Pro( which is similar with breville barista pro ) or can you suggest me for a good espresso machine and with good boiler . Thank you
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi George, Thanks for the question. Big difference is in build quality. Sage/Breville is appliance grade while the Gaggia is a machine grade build. Machines have a much longer life span than appliance grade products. Machines use higher quality components, are user serviceable and are capable of producing better espresso. For entry-level machine the Gaggia is the best value. Going up in price with machines in this video gets you additional features like dedicated pump switch, larger boilers, ability to adjust brew pressure, etc. Hope that helps! Marc
@FFCpower
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the answer, the point is that Sage has the PID system, which I think is good in an espresso machine, about the money Sage has 330 euros, lelit pl41em 485 ,and gagia has 366 euros , I'm in a big dilemma, I'm looking for the best value for money as much as quality but as much as build. Thanks again .
@Joanna-tg5fd
4 жыл бұрын
ECM or Giaggia? I know it’s a super shortcut but I really like the design of ECM and fact that has a pressure pointer. It’s useful? I’m the beginner but looking for something what will last a long time.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Joanna, Thanks for the question. The ECM is the cream of the crop here as far as build quality - of course the price difference reflects that! The Casa does have the brew pressure gauge which can be useful initially. It also helps down the road in with setting the accessible OPV for brew pressure. Another nice feature on the Casa not found on the Gaggia is a separate switch for the pump for refilling/cooling the boiler after steaming or getting hot water out of the wand. On the Gaggia you use the brew switch for that. Hope that helps! Marc
@mannsquest9953
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. Gave you some big credit on my new video on the Synchronika dual boiler as a homage to your advice and professionally done vids. Thanks for the inspiration ! Elliot
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi MQ, Thanks for the kind comment! Will check it out. Marc
@benjamina.941
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Marc, Thank you for all your great videos! I was wondering if you could help me. I was going to purchase the Gaggia new classic. However, I have just found a promotion for the LELIT PL 41 TEM. It cost a bit more (100$) but got a PID and a gauge pressure. As you never mention this brand in your video, I was wondering if it was because you consider it as appliance and not machine. Would you still recommand the Gaggia over this Lelit? Best regards and happy new year!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi b, Thanks for the question. I do think the Classic is a better value. I have reservations as to the usefulness of PID in a low volume boiler. Marc
@benjamina.941
4 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you so much Marc. I have just ordered the Gaggia!
@chernowitz
3 жыл бұрын
I would add Lelit Victoria and quick mill silvano evo to the mix.
@gjmichaels5472
4 жыл бұрын
I find that a having a PID is very helpful. Which of the machines in the video can it be installed on?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi GJ, Thanks for the question. While there are PID retrofit kit available for the Classic and Silvia IMO it's best to go with a machine with factory PID. Retrofitting a PID voids manufacturer warranty. With factory PID one knows the machine has been engineered to work properly. For a seriously good single boiler machine with factory PID and E61 group check out the ECM Classika: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control It's available with and without flow control. Marc
@gjmichaels5472
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love That sounds like the best way to go. Thank you.
@davidsauder7435
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark, do all Bezzera models come with the angled portafilter?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi David, Thanks for the question. No, the angled PF is not a feature of all Bezzera machines. Here's a link to the 17 Bezzera machines we currently carry with photos available showing PF type for each machine: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Bezzera Marc
@BsOnK1969
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video!! Just in time. Does WLL. carry the linea mini? Can you please do a video about that machine?!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi B, Thanks for the question we do not carry the Linea Mini. We are careful in the products we offer and we do carry machines like the LM GS3. In our opinion the Linea Mini comes up a bit short for the cost. Little bothers like no display of PID temps. Marc
@hewhoshallnotbenamed4465
3 жыл бұрын
How would the gaggia classic compare to the breville barista express? I already have a decent burr grinder so the grinder on the brecille is unnecessary for me.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jesse, Thanks for the question. The Barista Express is an appliance grade product while the Gaggia Classic is a true machine. The Classic can run for decades with proper maintenance and is very user serviceable. If when something goes wrong with the Breville it's not very user serviceable. Breville repair cost beyond warranty often exceeds value of machine. Gaggia Classic uses a commenrcial size and weight 58mm portafilter. The Breville is limited by it's lighter 54mm portafilter. Classic is easily upgrade-able with precision filter baskets, shower screens, bottomless PF and more. Hoipe that helps! Marc
@hewhoshallnotbenamed4465
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc! I was almost reeled in by the looks and the bells and whistles of the breville. That's probably why they do that haha. I'll plan on picking up the classic pro when I sell off some of my older home brewing equipment!
@Jjf109nine
4 жыл бұрын
Had a chat with Theo about this yesterday. I asked him what should I choose? Gaggia or Silvia and he added the hobby
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Allan, Thanks for the comment! Have you decided on a machine yet? Curious as to your thought process. Marc
@Jjf109nine
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love I really love the two hole steam wand on the Gaggia and the fact that you can easily replace broken parts. On the other hand, I prefer to use a heftier machine that has some weight and doesn’t move too much. This comes in handy when you lock in your portafilter. Price is also a key factor to consider. You could invest the money in a good grinder. In this range you can’t go wrong to be honest. All of these are beasts and it comes down to your own preferences - both technically and esthetically. I am still debating but I guess I‘m going for the Gaggia ;)
@dsmpampis
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark, great video as always. I need your advice, I’m about to buy my first espresso Maschine because right now I have a Moka Pot. I really like the Bezzera Hobby but hier in Europe the steam wand is much smaller than the one in the video. Is it worth the money or is better to go with a ECM casa V or even a Bezzera BZ10. To be honest I can’t find any videos with the Bezzera Hobby. Thanks in advance!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi d, Thanks for the comment and question. The hobby here in the US has a manual steam wand. I believe most if not all Hobby's in EU have an auto-frothing wand. The manual wand was a feature we requested from Bezzera for our market. IMO the ECM Casa V is the best built of the bunch in this video. If you do milk drinks you will appreciate a machine with heat-exchange boiler like the BZ10 - no waiting for steaming or cooling down boiler afterwards. You can brew and steam simultaneously! Huge time saver. If you never or rarely do milk drinks then a single boiler is fine. Marc
@dsmpampis
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love thanks a lot for the quick response! To be honest I’m drinking only 2 Cappuccinos a day and sometimes americano.
@ThatGamerDude9000
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone know how the Breville Infuser Semi-Automatic Espresso Machine compares to these? I notice it's between the price of the first two machines featured in this video on Whole Latte Love's website.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi GamerDude, The big difference... The Breville is appliance grade in build quality. Lots of plastic used in construction and it uses a thermoblock boiler which heats water on demand. Appliance grade products offer short term value at the expense of long-term reliability. They are generally not user serviceable. If something goes wrong down the road it's generally not worth having an appliance grade product repaired. All the products in this video are hand assembled machine grade products. All metal construction, very user serviceable and they use real boilers not thermoblocks. They all use heavyweight commercial size 58mm portafilters. The Infuser uses a lighter 54mm PF. Hope that helps! Marc
@ThatGamerDude9000
4 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage I am not going to knock the expert, but I read online Breville appliances can generally last 5 to 10 years (assuming the user takes care of it), while these machines can generally last up to 15 (given it is maintained and serviced). Would you be able to attest to that being a general rule of thumb?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
ThatGamerDude9000 Hi I think five years is a reasonable expectation assuming you do the maintenance as directed by the manufacturer the big difference I feel is in machine versus appliance and machine 15 years that’s a very very reasonable expectation and when something does go wrong they are very repairable appliance grade products really aren’t all that repairable so you can’t get in there and fix something if something goes bad. Marc
@andrewr3403
3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know which of these is the most reliable? Also is there any videos on how to maintain these and clean them?
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the question. All these machines are very reliable if taken care of properly. Far more reliable than entry-level appliance grade products. Have a search on our YT channel for Gaggia Classic and you'll find care and maintenance videos all the way up to a full rebuilding of the machine. Marc
@rubenregal4849
4 жыл бұрын
Is there a big taste difference for a latte on a classic pro and velasca prestige? Do you prefer the classic pro over the velasca prestige? Why? Please do a comparison video on these two models thanks.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi RR, With the right skill/knowlegde and a decent grinder the Classic has the potential to produce a better espresso. It also can produce a much finer milk froth with the manual wand. In the end it's more work. If you value consistent convenience go with automatic Velasca. If you are more a hobbyist pair the Classic with a decent grinder./ Marc
@Mrpourguy
4 жыл бұрын
I looking for for the best espresso shot, because i have automatic single steamer. Please what suppose to choose?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi tas, Thanks for the question although I'm not sure exactly what your asking. But I'll take a shot... Once you get to a certain level of machine with accurate brew temps and brew pressure it's actually the coffee, grinder and skill of the operator which produces the "best' shot. You can get this on the Gaggia Classic. Marc
@Mrpourguy
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reply, i actually fall in love with rancilio silvia but that gaggia classic come with good results
@ecren1868
4 жыл бұрын
hey mark, great video as always. However, I'm now wondering if the Breville 870 is (in your opinion) an espresso 'appliance', or espresso machine...
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi EC, Thanks for the question. Yes, IMO the 870 is appliance build quality due to amount of plastic, proprietary parts, low user repairability. Marc
@lisalisa3110
4 жыл бұрын
Can u do a vid with a list of espresso machines, there are so many brands out there it’s confusing which is a cheap kitchen accessory vs a true espresso appliance
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi ML, Thanks for the video request! Will see what I can do. In the meantime the cheap appliance grade products have the following traits: Lots of plastic in construction, pressurized portafilter/filter basket, thermoblock water heating (boiler), undersized lightweight portafilter. True machine traits: 58mm portafilter, hand assembled in Italy not China, little to no plastic, copper or stainless steel boilers. Hope that helps! Marc
@andrewgriffiths3178
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Marc Great vid. Looking to purchase first espresso machine, locally can get casa 5 or another brand ‘Lelit’. Wondering if you have any experience with this brand and or any thoughts comments. Regards Andrew
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the question. We have evaluated Lelit machines and at this point we have chosen not to carry. We believe the overall quality of ECM products is better.
@andrewgriffiths3178
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply Mark. Ended up going with the Casa 5 and can’t be happier. Shout out to local supplier platform 9 coffee roasters! (I’m Australian based). Got just in time for covid-19 lockdown!
@BryanPike
4 жыл бұрын
Miss Sylvia in the 20th Anniversary Black is the other woman in my life. My original is 12 years old now and going strong.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Lol, 2 ladies! Marc
@gessner17
3 жыл бұрын
Would there be anyway for you to get an exact (not mfg listed) height on the hobby? My height is about 13.3" I need to fit in and the hobby be close.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi g, Just took a tape measure to a Hobby. It's 13 3/8". Marc
@Gk2003m
3 жыл бұрын
That’s all well and good, but there are a slew of non-premium entry level machines out there too. Case in point, the Krups XP3208 and the DeLonghi ECP3420. Reputable manufacturers. Perhaps a review of some of these, using otherwise the same conditions you are using in this review?
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi GK, I have this video featuring a couple of non-premium entry level machines - the Capresso EC Select and Delonghi Dedica: kzitem.info/news/bejne/x5h-tp6fjIZpfKg Marc
@dushanK
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the review. Can you use the Brevile pro grinder with ECM Casa 5
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi k, Thanks for the question. Yes you could but I highly recommend something a little nicer. The breville SGP while relatively inexpensive is slow and tends to produce a clumpy grind at espresso sizes. Also very plastic and has limited grind size precision. If you can swing it I highly recommend the Ceado E5P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder or E6P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2 . Less costly is the Bezzera BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder Marc
@dushanK
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love Thanks👍
@xlifewritex
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage overpriced crap
@mikestanley4457
4 жыл бұрын
Would the baratza encore or Capresso infinity work for any of these machines?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, Thanks for the question. It's possible but not recommended. Those grinders do not have the fine control of grind size required to accurately dial-in grind size. You could use them but may be disappointed by the results. They'll also be kind of a pain to work with lacking accurate timing functions and no ability to dose into a portafilter. Marc
@mikestanley4457
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love so what’s the minimum you recommend a sette30? Rocky?
@KundanKumar-om2jw
4 жыл бұрын
Are these available in Canada ? Also the availability of after sales services in Canada?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi KK, Thanks for the question. Yes these machines are available in Canada. Marc
@Psychoh90
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. What about shipment in Italy? For a Gaggia classic pro?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi LM, Should be available in Italy that's where they're made. We import from Italy to US. Marc
@knassiri5600
4 жыл бұрын
When will you have the colored Gaggia Classic Pros in stock again?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi K, Turns out the colors were very popular and sold out quickly! We are working with the shop to get more but do not have an ETA at the moment. Marc
@lydiapoe8870
4 жыл бұрын
now that it has been many months since this comment, i would like to ask this question too - wondering when the colored Classic’s will be back in stock now? wanting to purchase a machine, but i don’t want to get the stainless steel one when i could get a white one! haha
@JFinns
3 жыл бұрын
One love to see you review or add in the Lelit Anna PL41TEM to this mix. The one that comes with a PID controller.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi JF, Thanks for the request. Unfortunately I do not have the machine to review. Marc
@starwf07
3 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. I like your machine comparisons. Am I correct that none of these machines have PID's? So is temperature control/consistency difficult with them? I've been thinking about getting an espresso machine, and the Breville machines (perhaps more "appliance-like" as you describe) seem to have built-in PID's - would you say that makes them a bit easier to start out with since the temperature would theoretically be more consistent? Does adding a PID to a Gaggia or Silvia void the warranty? I'd love to get a higher quality machine like the ones you show here, but have a bit of hesitation that they might be hard to get consistent espresso out of, especially for a beginner like me.
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi s, Thanks for the question and I apologize for the delayed response! A couple of comments... What these machines have that the Breville do not is longevity and serviceability. These machines can easily go for decades with proper maintenance. At some point you'll have a problem with the Breville and find out it's not all that user serviceable. Unless you have some very unique skills it'll have to go to a pro for repairs. Cost for that will likely exceed remaining value of machine so want make sense to do. PID does not make it easier to start out with. Goal of PID is stable and consistent brew temp and it works very well in machines with large volume boilers and goup heads heated by boiler proximity or thermo-siphon on E61 groups. It depends on which Breville machine you are looking at but most use a thermoblock boiler. It keeps a very small amount of water heated for use but at some point transitions to heating water on demand when pulling a shot. That heating can be controlled by PID but in most cases it's nowhere near as accurate as PID in higher-end machines with true larger volume boilers. On these entry level machines you will not get PID but it's relatively easy to control temperature and you'll have the benefit of full size and weight portafilters. Marc
@cpacosta10
4 жыл бұрын
Great Video! How do you think these compare to the Breville Barista Express?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Christian, Thanks for the comment and question. The Barista Express combines entry-level espresso capability with a grinder in one package. It's an appliance grade product while the products in this video are machine grade. The Express uses a smaller 54mm portafilter which limits coffee dose weight and a thermoblock boiler. In that type of boiler water is heated in a narrow pipe which is more susceptible to problems with scale build-up and inconsistent brew temps. That said, if one does not abuse the BBE and keeps up with maintenance it can provide a decent experience. I do worry about reliability with appliance grade products. Lot's of plastic, proprietary components and low to no user serviceability are long term concerns. Marc
@brs3932
3 жыл бұрын
Why do the first three of these not have a pressure gauge? That seems like it would be a huge benefit to dialing in your shot. Am I missing something here? Thanks for your helpful videos!
@Wholelattelovepage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi BRS, Thanks for the question. Pressure gauges can be useful but are not required. Timing a shot can tell you about the same thing in most cases. If espresso extracts in 20-30 seconds from 1st drip chances are one is brewing in a good pressure range. I rarely pay much attention to pressure gauges on machines unless I'm doing technical brewing profiling using brew pressure or flow rates or setting an OPV. At this level of machine not having a pressure gauge helps keep the price down. Marc
@brs3932
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the quick response. That's really helpful in making a decision. I really appreciate your extra efforts to educate in addition to just pointing out different features. I'm sure that helps your sales, it made me a customer!
@dalejacksparrowson
4 жыл бұрын
Why can you not use pre ground coffee in a non-pressurised portofilter?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Dale, Thanks for the question. In a non-pressurized PF it's the grind size of the coffee which restricts flow to create the pressure of the espresso extraction process. Very small changes in grind size will produce very different results in the cup. One reason why after the bean, grind quality and precise control of grind size are perhaps the most important factors in producing quality espresso. Here's my video on How to Dial in Grind Size for Espresso. A good demonstration in the video of the effect of very minor grind size changes: kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4WPnXhma6Bldqw Marc
@jkim972
4 жыл бұрын
Really leaning towards gaggia classic. I think the bang for the buck is hard to beat.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi T, Thanks for the comment. I agree it is the best value! Marc
@Darkdiver28
4 жыл бұрын
Im torn between the Gaggia Classic and the EMC Casa V. The EMC sounds great but its expensive compared to the Gaggia. I wonder if the Gaggia is capable of making great espresso and milk foam at the same level as the EMC. Although the EMC has more features, I wonder if it would be possible to come to the same results without the features.
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Darkdiver, The Casa V is expensive compared to the Gaggia Classic. It has the additional features with the externally adjustable brew pressure, brew pressure gauge, larger boiler and more refined finish details. Those finishing details do nothing to improve results - except for a larger volume water reservoir and drip tray. The adjustable pressure is a feature few users are likely to use much. The pressure gauge can help indicate extractions are happening properly. But once your dialed in with grind size you probably will not pay much attention to it. If doing a few extractions per day. You'll be fine with the Classic and it's capable of the same quality in the cup as the Casa V. Marc
@Darkdiver28
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love thanks for the reply. I was looking for a machine to upgrade my DeLonghi EC155. After reading your comment and giving it some thought, I decided to go with the Gaggia. Although the ECM certainly looks beautiful and the features are great, Its a bit out of my range. My only worry was the expresso and steam quality. I don’t mind sitting down and taking my time to dial in my shots, actually I kind of enjoy the process. Thank you again for the help.
@paulb2765
4 жыл бұрын
my Rancilio v6 won’t switch on. No power whatsoever. I’ve changed the fuse in the plug and used different plug sockets. Any ideas please
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, Sorry to hear you are having a problem. Must be frustrating! Here's a link to the troubleshooting section of our support wiki for the Silvia: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Rancilio_Silvia/troubleshooting#Machine_Not_Heating_Or_Powering_On Sounds like you've already tried some of the steps outlined there but may be some others. If you need additional assistance and are within the US give our tech support team a call at 585-924-7170 and they should be able to help troubleshoot over the phone. Marc
@ThorMaxx
4 жыл бұрын
Are Breville espresso makers considered appliances or machines?
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Todd, I consider them to be in the appliance category. Lots of plastic, proprietary components and limited user repair-ability. Marc
@bluefoam
4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. That's not the same as the criteria you mentioned in the video... Are breville able to produce a good espresso? Yes... I think allot of it is snobbery. Coffee making is perceived as difficult and you're meant to suffer for your art... Breville make equipment that simplifies the process, but also provides good quality.
@ArchambaultMat
4 жыл бұрын
Please review the Lelit brand. Grinder and expresso machine!
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi MA, Thanks for the request. At this point I do not have those products so can't do a review. Marc
@ping_me1vp
3 жыл бұрын
I think you got something confused, maybe you meant aluminum boiler? Because all tgese machines here have brass boilerers, theres mothing wrong with brass, but there is with aluminum for sure, brass boilers are the way to go for quality machines
@yubrajtamang829
4 жыл бұрын
Sir ! What is temperature of milk before serve to the customure and for regular coffee how many ml of espresso???
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi YT, Thank you for the questions. We recommend steamed milk at 140-150F (60-66C). That is the temperature milk gains its highest apparent sweetness due to heating. A typical double shot of espresso made from 17-19g of coffee is ~60ml. Marc
@yubrajtamang829
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love but We have full fat&low fat milk so which one is good for foam(froath)
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Full fat milk froths better and produces a creamier mouthfeel.
@yubrajtamang829
4 жыл бұрын
Whole Latte Love thank you very much my dear
@goldfish7722
4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video on how to change the group head gasket on a ECM casa v
@Wholelattelovepage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, I do not have a video specific to the Casa V but group head gasket R&R is fairly straightforward. Using a pick tool get hold of the old one and pry it out. While it's out give the group a good cleaning with a group brush or similar. Install the new gasket and make sure it's fully seated in the channel. You may experience a break in period where your PF doesn't clock in quite as far as with the old gasket. Marc
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