For someone who is trying to make a Primordial Human, Rhinedottir seems to have spent quite a lot of time pulling souls out of the Abyss.
@lathamtk
6 ай бұрын
When you pull a gacha, what are the odds you get a 5star on your first pull? Even in the first 10? Astronomically low. You gotta keep pulling until you get something decent. I hope, for Rhinedottir's sake, the cosmos/abyss has a pity system implemented.
@ZetaMoolah
6 ай бұрын
@@lathamtkoh…oh my god….
@vlorggy
6 ай бұрын
Well that's where the twins were. Teyvat is literally surrounded by abyss, it's most likely that Rhinedottr did succeed and made the abyss sibling.
@osmial
6 ай бұрын
@@vlorggywell sorry to break it to you but our twin was summoned to teyvat when we were traveling to different place(which is why rhinedottir who has yet to perfect her own project can't create lumine who is a being that is the symbol of abyss confirmed by clothar) in notes it has been said khaenri'ah or should i say the whole teyvat was looking for the 2 shining stars to approach it closely many yimes and then one time they entered the world of teyvat one was summoned in khaenri'ah one slept through everything that happened during 500yr ago (My interpretation) With all this we can come to conclusion that the primordial human project was inspired by our sibling who probably tried to use this chance to bring their homeworld to teyvat rhinedottir just used them as her inspiration to perfect the alchemy
@danita122
5 ай бұрын
@@osmial bro haven't seen the first cutscene in the game
@YuBaka69
6 ай бұрын
Kaveh the adventurer. Help him find his keys. Do you see them?
@Sayaahh
6 ай бұрын
Ola soy Kaveh
@tiredasexual_8334
6 ай бұрын
haitham no swipping. haitham no swipping!
@inrglctc8983
6 ай бұрын
@@tiredasexual_8334oh he DEF gonna swipe 💀
@harmonialarts
6 ай бұрын
Me at the start of the video: aight cant wait for the mandarory kaeya tangent Me after video: no wonder she's unwell with this long video she wasnt able to fit in a kaeya tangen! Poor roosevelt...
@nazgul9448
6 ай бұрын
kaeya sitting forlornly for once not part of the conspiracy
@kanrakiddler
6 ай бұрын
Finally, a possible explanation for the past me for the reason why Albedo has a similar motif on his clothes to the twins, the 4-pointed star with dots thingy. Maybe it doesn't mean much, but back then it drove me crazy. Going from that, crack moment, cuz while both the twins have the full star somewhere on their clothes, both also have a way bigger one on their back, and both have that one split in two. Again, could be nothing, I mean twins being two halves isn't that groundbreaking but still.
@ghelcarreon
6 ай бұрын
the twinnings (so far?) Ego: Rukkadevata / Nahida Persona: Focalors / Furina Shadow: Makoto / Ei
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat
6 ай бұрын
I think your approach is not accurate, while the video talks about Ego, Persona and Shadow, Hoyoverse generally goes with Ego, Super-Ego and Id so I'll elaborate with these terms. For Raiden Shogun, Makoto means Truth in Japanese, she represents the Ego, the part of the self that is forward thinking driving towards the future, connecting to reality. Ei means shadow, she is the Id, the subconscious dark portion of one's mind which seeks to avoid pain and suffering. Shogun is the Super-ego, the ideal self that tries to achieve perfection, mentally, spirtually, culturally in the eyes of oneself and others. By reconciling all 3 parts, she has overcome her PTSD and depression after 1000 years of suffering, Raiden has become whole and is ready to bring Inazuma into the future. Hoyoverse also associates Id as Yin and Ego as Yang, dark and light, and the balance between them being the Super-Ego. You can apply this to almost every single character, especially those who have multiple sides to their character. Ego/ Id/ Super-Ego Makoto/ Ei/ Raiden Shogun Oz/ Amy/ Fischl Focalors/ Furina/ Hydron Archon Rukkhadevata/ Nahida/ Dendro Archon You can see Nahida being the Moon and Rukkhadevata being the Sun as another expression of Yin and Yang. Ego/ Id/ Super-Ego or Ego/ Shadow/ Persona should not be seen as separate things that are each represented by a different character, instead they are 3 sides of a single character, which when separated causes imbalance to the individual's psyche.
@ghelcarreon
6 ай бұрын
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Hey. Thanks for your amazing input. well, i just yapped the "twinnings so far" without much thought (just woke up when i saw the vid) I agree with you about we can apply Ego/Super Ego/Id with one character/person, but I believe it is from Freud. The video was about Carl Jung, and that's why I blabbed about the twinnings that could be related to Jung archetypes, but i am no expert with this topic, so I am open with the discussion and learn more about these coz they're interesting. 😥😥
@stormysizzle1181
6 ай бұрын
Speaking of number 4s ,The traveler is the FOURTH Descender.[Good omens must occur three time for good fortune to truly descend].Also a Very Good video, insightful as always.
@Not_A_Friend0777
6 ай бұрын
Then Rhinedottir and Surtalogi have the same goal. Rhinedottir's do alchemy to create a Human while the other pull a Human to the abyss and do something to it. Albedo is synthetic while Childe is cursed.
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
yeah! Skirk even says they're both pursuing "some form of perfection."
@LittleMessii
4 ай бұрын
@@roozeveltfox hi, so, is Albedo Phanes?
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat
6 ай бұрын
These "filler patches" with Mondstadt events are where we learnt about the Fake Sky, Alice, Albedo's AMOGUS plot, Varka, The Captain and Hexenzirkel. For us lore and story players, there's no such thing as filler, only more content.
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
That's so true, in 3.5 (which i would NEVER consider filled because we got Caribert) - we were advertised Caribert but also got hexenzirkel!! fingies crossed for the same now
@Sully48
6 ай бұрын
When you were talking about the Comic Man and had Phanes text up it got me thinking, what if Rhinedottir was aiming to create a new God and that is why Celestia attacked, to prevent this new god from being made. Further, what if Rhinedottir succeeded and the cataclysm in Khaenri'ah isn't Celestia attacking, but the new god lashing out. Would explain why Celestia has been quite since the cataclysm. In the video Hoyo released before the launch of the game the chapters never mention Celestia, it goes Snezhnaya > Khaenri'ah. The final boss potentially being this new god since Phanes was killed by it. Also mentioning the pulling souls from the Abyss, when the Khaenri'ah event happened it was mentioned that monsters (abyssal creatures) attacked different places. Pulling this abyssal soul and granting it godhood could of been the source of these monsters appearing. The Hilichurl curse is not Celestial in nature, is this new god affecting those who were nearby during its birth. "Once you reach the end of your journey as I did, you will see for yourself the true nature of this world". Everyone tells us about Celestia and how our search from the start is about them, but the truth is that they are dead, the Khaenri'ahn god is all that remains. Would be poetic that the Godless nation would be destroyed by a God of their own making. 1AM tinfoil hat theory btw. Gonna stop it there otherwise I'd be typing all night. Some of this is probably easily debunked by text in the game. I love Genshin/Hoyo lore
@vietcuongnguyenle8530
6 ай бұрын
Actually, we already see a thing which highly possible is belong to project “ create god” of khaenri’ah That is the alchemy knowledge ei get from khaenri’ah and using to made the puppet We know the puppet can even contain power of god And contain power of god is basic condition of create god
@akarirei
6 ай бұрын
You might be on to something there. I was thinking like “could it be the sinner?”, but then he claimed that he is no god, just a sinner.
@Sully48
6 ай бұрын
@@akarireiThe Sinner is Rhinedottir. (4.2 Spoilers) When Egeria created life by turning Oceanids into humans Celestia declared them all sinners. In this theory Rhinedottir created a new God, nevermind human life. So instead of just becoming A sinner, she is now THE Sinner The Abyss Order worship The Sinner as it gave them a God and structure, as opposed to a leaderless grouping.
@akarirei
6 ай бұрын
@@Sully48 but then didn’t the voice of the Sinner was pretty masculine?
@Sully48
6 ай бұрын
@@akarireiIt's been so long since I did the quest I forgot it was voiced. In that case it could be this new God.
@captaindanger13
6 ай бұрын
Ever since the "the traveler twins are akivili" theory from wei, I started wondering if Aether and Lumine could become 1 being. Like they do a fusion dance or something and become 1. The final thoughts section of this video made me feel like that is more likely to actually happen in the end of the game.
@vergiltasev7108
6 ай бұрын
And then they reveal that the Genshin world is actually Pegana (which is or was described as isolated), while Teyvat is just the continent where the Ark landed. Or that this landmass was isolated as its own microcosm.
@sharedrawing7034
5 ай бұрын
wait someone else has thought of it too? i thought i had thought of an original theory for once 😭
@vergiltasev7108
5 ай бұрын
@@sharedrawing7034 Well, I think it's still somewhat of a niche idea
@wretchedoftheearth55
6 ай бұрын
I really have to wonder what threat Khaenri'ah was facing or preparing for, if Rhinedottir was trying to create a Descender and the Universitas Magistrorum wanted to summon one (and got the two twins?). Awesome video as always, the Jung deep dive was super fun and insightful!
@Mar-lf3ni
6 ай бұрын
Now that you've mentioned the reason why the traveler is a descender while the sibling is not actually makes lot of sense. As for the traveler in order to complete the individualisation they need another half, and lumine and aether are two faces of the same coin making a whole like the philosopher stone (they are male and female, they also represent the moon and stars, and the sun is a star) In addition to all of this if the abyss is actually the first stage of alchemy that explains why Gold has made so many abyssal creature. But I also wonder if the abyss could be regarded as the first step of creation in general, you see... The abyss is often described to be something beyond teyvat, as from a different world like the primordial one, the descenders and the travelers, could the abyss actually be where they all were originated? This would mean that the travelers are in a certain way relatives of the primordial one. Tiding this why the genesis pearl story, this might be another clue to the theory of the traveler being the natural heir of the primordial one throne and thus their destiny is to ascend to Celestia, claim their throne and shape the fate of the world
@illmentaly
6 ай бұрын
Where is my dain quest👹
@Pre4xes_
6 ай бұрын
Bro fr I need that shi
@sageofsixpaths8392
6 ай бұрын
Calm down, it's coming in 4.x that's for sure
@illmentaly
6 ай бұрын
@Pre4xes_ I thought because the last one was out in 3.5 I thought the next one would come out in 4.5. But ig they wanna throw all the lore bombs in 4.6 with fruinas (or maybe nuvis?) Story quest and arlcheno story quest and With the dain quest. So that's gonna be huge bomb of lore.
@illmentaly
6 ай бұрын
@@Pre4xes_ probably the most were getting in 1 patch
@illmentaly
6 ай бұрын
@@sageofsixpaths8392 I can't wait👹
@Doro-bashi
6 ай бұрын
Oh boi, those Carl Jung theories are cracked! Made me wonder if someone more of his works can be interpreted there, like the Archons and Archetypes, and the synchronicity, The shadow, I kinda see too as how Irminsul hides memories, those things happened and now are on an unconscious plane, and what can be seen it's the conscious plane
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
yeah! and tbh I've only scratched the surface, really, with archetypes/individuation/alchemy, but there's soooo much more to them, plus dreams, synchronicity, etc. And what you say about Irminsul - that's funny, because Rukkha says something along the lines of "Only dreams can awaken consciousness" which to me reads very similar to the whole "until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate." (sidenote: my understanding is that he didn't actually say that quote but there's a similar quote saying the same thing)
@peachcloudx1672
6 ай бұрын
this was so good!! for some reason i hadn't made the connection yet that rhinedottir's ultimate goal is the creation of a descender. man, descenders are like the most wanted thing in teyvat, huh? we've got so many major factions involved (past & present) with the creation of a descender. The Fatui, Rhinedottir, Narcissenkreuz, and then we have the Abyss Order with their loom of fate project and I wonder if they're trying to make the abyss twin their version of a descender as well 🤔 endgame is shaping up to be a battle royale between all the descenders lol
@L16htW4rr10r
6 ай бұрын
If your last theory is correct, poor our controlled MC for not chosen for The Loom of Fate(?) X,D
@glendor1el
6 ай бұрын
This makes so much sense given the thematic emphasis the game loves to put on the twins being reunited, with that specific wording.
@valhallakombi7239
6 ай бұрын
As someone who is in Desrt of Hadramaveth exploration right now, can't wait to eventually read Orzo quest in Fontaine. Dirge of Bilqis and 3.4 world quests are so damn peak, can't wait for Khavarena stuff and then Fontaine. Will have to watch this video after that lol
@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person
6 ай бұрын
Pay attention to the Khvarena of Good and Evil, because it will foreshadow the Ordo quest as well. Also, I believe this quest is a direct improvement over what Aranyaka was supposed to be as a questline.
@Mishri2005
5 ай бұрын
Back here after the alchemy event + Perinheri. Still stand by my earlier comment, in fact, even more. It is no joke for Morax to be referred to as Deus Auri by Neuvillette AND in Perinheri. Gold as a catalyst, gold for purification, gold as the goal, gold as a tool, or a weapon? Zhongli's star/sun imagery only shines out more as the 'golden haired traveller' goes around purifying. He's the golden god, can grant illumination, sight and body to a spirit, and was a colonising force for the heavens. Him holding on to the archon throne (the geo authority) while giving up the gnosis and being the only archon in the story so far to go out of his way to stop people from worshipping him (in re nahida, thoughts manifest reality), the way the exuvia was of draconic form, was morax shedding his skin of the golden god to become red?
@citoyenneteavanttout7273
5 ай бұрын
That cooks actually. Funnily enough, not only Perihneri, he had also been mentioned in the Alchemy event Weapon, the dialog of the desert sages, as Deus Auri, and curiously to say that creating Gold was his and only his providence. Couple that with Gold/Mora flowing in the leylines, and Canotilla's "Gold is the tears of the sun"... I mean that's a lot of unconclusive hints and I wonder what they're cooking for him.
@Mishri2005
6 ай бұрын
I mean I am pretty convinced Gold is trying to emulate the original way Humans were made. I think Morax is called Deus Auri because he is related to the Geo Sovereign who formed the vessel needed for the Hydro Sovereign, the OG god of life to breathe life into (emulating the way Goddess Nuwa created humans from clay). Khemia especially is derived from this genesis process (from what I gleaned reading Albedo's character story). And yes, I got all this from the Neuviladle. *Shows off my tinfoil hat*
@lexical450
6 ай бұрын
We've been having a "break" since 4.3, so i really hope that 4.6 onward is as stacked as possible. I absolutely adore long videos like this, so thanks for going all out.
@aethernity8270
6 ай бұрын
X.6 always goes bonker like last time in sumeru
@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp
5 ай бұрын
@@aethernity8270well 3.5 was even better with Caribert... and here we are, in the dryest patch everz 4.5
@aethernity8270
5 ай бұрын
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp true
@theysisossenthime
6 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this deep dive. Gold was my first big lore interest in Genshin. The more we've learned of Khaenri’ah and Khemia, the more I feel like I am unsure of her grand scheme. She almost seems like the mad scientist archetype. A little more chaotic; a little less maniacal. I think hanging out for an afternoon Rhinedottir and Alice would be the best day of Genshin Impact, ever.
@Paimordial
6 ай бұрын
I can’t BELIEVE you didn’t mention kaeya once
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
it kinda hurt my soul ngl 😔
@KadaEklund
6 ай бұрын
I've been thinking about Albedo being an "artificial" descender or a project (kinda have the same opinion about Childe), the video is great but there's a point missing: the place where Elynas described she was before her mother awakened her is the same as she describes Jakob's power. Also she says something about Albedo taking fate in the Cinnabar Spindle weapon.
@katelyn980
6 ай бұрын
I think that Childe is the Tsaritsa's, his fathers or Surtilogia's/Skirk's attempt at the same thing. A boy thrust into the abyss as a child, formed a bond with a primordial whale and connected to the witches and surtalogi whom are all pursuing some form of perfection. Childe is called Red by Xinyan, has a red mask and red attire when accessing his foul legacy. Then we have this entire thing - ---------------------------------------------- "Io, Io, Pan! That which lies beneath the great sea!" The purpose of this line in the ritual scripture is to forsake the self and sink into the abyss, and in the abyss, to welcome rebirth as a holy infant. The origin of this is a tragedy of unknown provenance that has been passed down by persons unknown to this day. Said play is called "Ajax," or "Aias." He was the second-strongest warrior in his alliance. "Lies beneath the great sea" is, itself, an interesting phrase. It comes from ancient Sumeru texts, and should be read as "Narayana," which also means "primordial human." This, too, is my goal, for not all that comes from beyond may be as one that "descends." That title belongs only to wills that can rival an entire world. That is what I seek, the way to become just such a will, one that can protect the world, sustain the world, destroy the world, and create the world. ------------------------------------------------ "Sink into the abyss and reborn as a holy infant"? Fitting for someone who has an Enkanomiyan name with a father filling his head of hero stories. "Lies beneath the great sea" means "primordial human". Childe just got back from his sensory tank in the primordial sea. Becoming a decender? Seeking the entirety of the old world? Sounds like exactly forshadowing for the harbiners as it's just echoing the same words as Pierro in his send off to Signora. I don't think it's just rhinedottre, I think all the circle and some other big players are trying to crack the primordial human code and fast. The why is the mystery
@kanrakiddler
6 ай бұрын
Also, "Chalk pursues Gold" might just get that juicy double meaning, right?
@nicolas._.2294
5 ай бұрын
Oh my, you're right
@fullmetalninjaX20
6 ай бұрын
i legit wonder how many lives you have saved just by reminding people to check their smoke detectors at the end of each video.
@bononcrusher2
5 ай бұрын
No wonder the Persona 4 references during the Golden Apple Archipelago were so apparent. They were dipping into the same source.
@swiirlee8670
6 ай бұрын
This makes me want to pose a crack theory where rhinedottir's goal was creating a philosopher stone/cosmic man/primordial one out of the khaenrian king irmin to oppose the world order brought about by the heavenly principles, and technically succeeded, but because of spacetime shenanigans the primordial one was created at an earlier point in time and became/has always been the actual original primordial one 😂 there's too many inconsistencies but it's funny to toss around. This whole time it was actually just a khaneriah vs khaenriah smackdown. The abyss twin figured this out and is mad at everyone involved and feels bad for the innocent bystanders (mostly the cursed khaenrians). Also (zhongli brainrot moment) deus auri...... Thank you for the great vid!
@EthHawke94
5 ай бұрын
Just one problem with this idea though; why would they Aid and Abet an organization (The Abyss Order) whose mission is to destroy the Surface Civilizations? If the Sibling actually did, shouldn’t they have made an attempt to Reunite with their Sibling and Free the various Nations of Teyvat from the Rule of the Heavenly Principles and their Archons? You know, a different approach?
@swiirlee8670
5 ай бұрын
@@EthHawke94Lol I've forgotten I've typed this out, appreciate you replying. Tbh there's so many things we don't know yet that we can make up so many plausible reasons. For example, the low-hanging fruit: maybe the abyss twin is themself deceived/driven mad and/or brainwashed somehow. Or maybe the abyss twin is going for some kind of the ends justifies the means/scorched earth policy gambit, wherein defeating the PO is impossible (or seems impossible) without destroying the current Teyvat and the abyss twin is only hoping that whatever survives can live diminished but free. Maybe the abyss twin is playing a long con, and what they're doing is actually helping Teyvat unite/get nudged towards the right answers by playing as the big bad evil. Maybe they seriously think everyone is better off dead than enslaved/used as batteries/whatever it is the PO is really doing. Heck maybe they're planning to betray the Abyss Order in future chapters. There's probably details that negate a bunch of that lol but just as examples I admittedly had too much fun writing. Motives are pretty easy to justify and handwave, tho of course whether it will be well-written or if the audience will accept the explanation is another matter entirely.
@EthHawke94
5 ай бұрын
@@swiirlee8670 It would be quite the Surprise Twist if the MC’s Twin is only Pretending to care about the Khaenrhi’ahns while their actual plan is to use the Abyss Order as a bunch of useful idiots/ fodder for whatever goal they actually have in mind, one strange idea i have in mind is that they only seek to eliminate the Archons while sparing the populace, surely such an order to retreat after only destroying an Archon might be confusing for the Abyss Order, but given their current state of mind they might not question the Twins decisions given how they seem to slavishly follow their every word.
@plingploong
6 ай бұрын
Love this video - I had been thinking about the supposed switch in alchemic stages used in Khaenri’ah, and your explanation makes so much sense. Albedo and those cryptic lines about potentially destroying Mondstadt make me wish we saw more of him in-game!
@Rostotosto8542
6 ай бұрын
Remember to drink water everyoone!
@UIMINIM
6 ай бұрын
Rhinedottir scares me. Great video btw!
@voshadxgathic
6 ай бұрын
Two separate crack theories with potential for crossover: Il Capitano is Bennett's biological father. Grand Master Varka is the 10th harbinger. Even crazier theory: All of Hoyoverse's games are based around simulation theory. The games themselves serve as yet another set of samsara cycles.
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
im here for the crack / tinfoil so im intrigued
@GoldenEyeLauren
5 ай бұрын
This was super interesting
@-libertyprimev1-902
5 ай бұрын
Around 26:57 - This brings me back to a thought I have everytime the Twins are referenced as Stars, compared to Stars, or are implied literal Stars in human/mortal form... In Binary Systems where two Stars lay at their center, eventually one will consume the other merging for a variety of potential reasons/ways (that part isn't super important for this discussion, although one Star becoming a Black Hole and slowly sucking the life out of still bright Star does have some mildly terrifying implications if we equate the Abyss Twin to the Black Hole in this analogy 😶). This has me thinking what if eventually reuniting with our Sibling leads to the two becoming one as "The Cosmic Man's Individuation"? Now back to the Binary Star analogy the deciding factor of who "wins" in the fusion (maybe saying "who influences the thoughts and ideals of the fusion" is more apt) would be the "brighter" or "larger" one being the one who has a previously mentioned "Will to Rival the World" OR literally brighter as in the one who regains their "Holy" Element instead making the "Abyss" Element their own - potentially just being superior or a direct counter to the other... Bit of a side tangent but I'd definitely prefer this over the stereotypical "I've been searching for my favored person the entire journey only for them to tragically die right at the climax or end of the story, oh what a cruel world..." plot (maybe also throwing in the "True Power awakening through loss/rage" trope), not saying this is what will happen down the road but it's definitely a possible direction the writers could take no question. This also raises another discussion of how they'd handle the Traveler's assumed obtaining of the "Holy" Element, cause that would have to be accessed at some point before the very end of the story as they'd need time for resource collection to level up Talents and Constellations (basically game mechanics having a direct Impact 𝘩𝘦𝘩𝘦 on story/plot points) then by proxy that new element would also need interactions with the existing elements (or maybe not if Geo is anything to go off of 😒) OR might it only have direct interactions with the supposed "Abyss" element... And maybe whatever element Dain will be which is a whole other can of worms as that seems to be a "Khaenri'ahn Energy" Element or "Curse" Element (I'm more partial to "Eclipse" Element as it'd be a nice middle ground between Traveler's Bright/Holy and Sibling's Dark/Abyss analogy/element) instead of any sort of Abyss power as he is vehemently against The Abyss... But I'm stopping at that third tangent or I'll be typing for another half hour. 😂
@sleepyqinfei
6 ай бұрын
what if that’s why albedo has a geo vision :o (geo = stone -> philosopher’s stone & yellow = gold -> citrinitas)
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
ahahaha... yeah..... Jung actually makes a big deal about the symbolism of stone/rock itself being the self (not just the philosopher's stone). Particularly in 'Man and his Symbols.' I had to shut down that part of my brain because it was going haywire and I needed to focus on the actual video lmaaao
@ehlannahfhey2347
6 ай бұрын
Aaaaaahhhh another Roozevelt video so soon?! You're spoiling us 😂❤ I loved this! I thought that it made sense that khemia & Alchemy are one and the same just..different, and you definitely solidified that for me. I know lots of creators prefer not to watch too many other creators content buuuut I did see ties to this one & MyNameForNow's most recent theory vid about Irmin and more than anything Mr. Nine's books - in case you hadn't come across it [or anyone reading this comment] it's worth the time imo 🤓
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
ahh thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And yes, I did see his video! It was very cool! I thought it was really interesting how he arrived to Irmin being the 1st Descender (i.e. iirc not even mentioning any parallels to holy blades like I did in my Shattered Descender vid) but perhaps that means there's something to it 😁 convergence of ideas maybe!
@ehlannahfhey2347
6 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm not 100% sure if irmin is the primordial one/1st descender, even if i definitely thought he made great points. But I do think there's something to it to in terms of Alchemy/Khemia being the catalyst sort of. It would be interesting to me if the primordial human project was an attempt to try and create another primordial one to take over/save Teyvat or even to try and maybe revive the og primordial one so to speak. 🤔
@nyanea
6 ай бұрын
Love your theory videos, so informative and really helps to see genshin through a different lense! (The brainrot of different theories all coming together to make perfect sense.)
@grassina3
6 ай бұрын
I watched a vid recently about Plato and lore from Funny Lore, and I’m seeing some connections here. Like when you were talking about forms and parallels, that seems very much like it could have been based on Platonic ideas
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
yeah, no doubt there's a lot of Platonic ideas in the game! I bring him up a lot in my Fortuna video. And ofc the Parable of the Cave in Before Sun and Moon is basically his Allegory of the Cave. I'll have to check out Funny Lore.
@nara-yana
6 ай бұрын
*Really* cool observations! This is the type of content that keeps me in love with *Genshin* and it's community, as it is "a game" with so much of our _reality_ as human beings - be it religion, history, anthropology, philosophy... poured into it with the utmost _care_ and _intention,_ many times bringing forth logical associations that are pretty much the definition of *arcane* to the forefront of the community's debate - the "equivalence" between Ishtar and Astaroth for example, and the erasure that the "divine feminine" suffered with the ascension of the Abrahamic / monotheistic religions.
@warriorofhyperborrea
6 ай бұрын
I was just checking your channel today to see if you posted anything, great to see my favorite theorist back in action!
@finnthefannibal
3 ай бұрын
Okay my crack theory is Deshret also only hit Rubedo and it fits his scarlet/red King label. Although he was able to acheieve a lot he never manages to strike gold.
@Crysis2424
5 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the video and all the explanations on the non Genshin stuff. I enjoyed the video length too. This gets me so excited for whenever we get to actually go to Khaenriah or meet our Twin, so many story lines they can go with!
@EmergencyCringe
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for that Kaveh bit at the beginning 🦁
@sylvarogre5469
6 ай бұрын
Wonderful theory video. Thank you for suffering for this art, Rooz.
@-romanpl01-27
5 ай бұрын
After completing the entire Alchemy event in 4.5, it's interesting to see that the swap between Rubedo and Citrinitas is actually canon in the event, as the Exams you take from Sucrose give you titles that go: Nigredo - Calx - Rubedo - Citrinitas, and the exam was designed by Albedo, which means he is kinda starting to teach Mondstadt and the rest of the world about Khaenri'an alchemy principles, and given that in the event the entire world hears about our potions and starts using them, I wonder how Celestia is taking it right now
@MarclenChin
6 ай бұрын
your paimon impression is flawless
@BerylMorgan
4 ай бұрын
I wonder if when we finally get playable characters from khaenriah, their power won't come from external visions but will instead come from internal power they've gained through individuation. Which as I'm typing this is starting to make me think of Ashikai's recent video about adeptal cultivation and now I'm just wondering if that was just foreshadowing how khaenrians cultivate their own power through individuation....
@sean2352
6 ай бұрын
Maybe Rhinedottir succeeded in turning the traveler into a descender through khemia and this was one of the reasons for the beginning of the cataclysm. This could explain why the traveler was asleep during all of their time in khaneriah until the cataclysm. Afterwards, Rhinedottir created Albedo based off of the chalk composition she saw in the traveler which is why hoyo emphasized all of the similarities in their composition.
@Miandey
6 ай бұрын
The end might be that the Traveler absorbs the sibling to become whole. Ying and Yang together as one. To make the future of tevat
@jeremiahsmith916
4 ай бұрын
Maybe this is why the devs repeatedly stress that there is no canon twin, as the end result will be the same (merging of the male and female twins) no matter which one we chose to walk the path with.
@genshin_lore_enjoyer
6 ай бұрын
I get ready to sleep, but OH BOY. Video about my son - yes, I'll watch
@juliamalyugina3546
4 ай бұрын
Why the most sus characters are all from Mondstadt?! Albedo, Kaeya, Venty (and lets not even start on Benny). The early versions hidden lore bombs are on another level.
@Ray-xx8yt
6 ай бұрын
I am a big rhinedottir fan since 1.2
@NanaNanaque
6 ай бұрын
Theres a math riddel ×3+1 no mater witch number you pick at the end you will be stuck in a loop
@NanaNanaque
6 ай бұрын
Also 3 +1 3moons + 1 sun
@nicolas._.2294
5 ай бұрын
@@NanaNanaqueI thought your pfp was shikamaru
@nicolas._.2294
5 ай бұрын
Can you pls explain the Riddell?
@-nery-
6 ай бұрын
let me throw in a speculation too: citrinitas has an alternate form, whether a completely different approach or another outcome when the stage fails and there's the rub, cause humans come from outside of primeval teyvat
@Nico-ib8bn
5 ай бұрын
29:44 idk what legend it is but ive heard a tale in which people didnt have food/material for clothing (depending on the version) and the king asked some smart guy for gold to buy those things. the guy gave the king seeds and said he has to plant them and then he will get what he needs. the king did that and when he realised its just plants and not gold in anger he ordered to dry and beat the plants and thats how people got flour/linen clothing. reminds me of this idk
@fringedpink
6 ай бұрын
oh my gosh, just from the title alone: i reached the same conclusion a while back!!! I wrote a post about in on tumblr. you're my favorite theorist rn, i'm so glad you have similar ideas, that means there's at least some merit to it!! ♡
@galaxybraen
6 ай бұрын
just a random fact, Narayana (pronounced naa-raa-yuhn) is another name for Lord Vishnu (wish-noo) one of the trimurti in hindu mythology alongside brahma ( the creator) and Shiva (the destroyer). Lord vishnu is considered the preserver.
@EchoNoir-
6 ай бұрын
Ty for the long video Roozey :)
@crimsonmoon123
6 ай бұрын
Wow this video really blew me of. The way you put "we will be reunited" and androgynous nature of the primordial human with the traveler's will to seek "individuation" which labels them as a descender was something that left me... flabbergasted at the very least. So Albedo will experiment on us/with us to make the primordial being? Also, is this the "Greatest Sin" which Khaenriah, more specifically Rhinedottir and the Ruler of Khaeriah committed (trying to make a primordial being of their own) which made the Heavenly Principles angry and gave them the punishment(the curse)? 🤔
@MrsFoolforlove
6 ай бұрын
I’m speechless. You cooked hard and the results are amazing!
@Archetype_Angel
6 ай бұрын
10:00 and so "I am thou, thou art I..." I was hearing the video while doing the dishes, so for a moment I forgot I was watching a Genshin video and not a Persona video.
@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp
5 ай бұрын
Now I think hoyoverse took inspiration from Persona series quite a lot...
@kiaradoesart9682
6 ай бұрын
Only just started watching, but immediately need to say that I am 100% backing Ben presenting a nature documentary 😂😂😂 ETA: I’m also buying the theories that the siblings are destined to either fuse into a new primordial one or somehow rule together. I love the idea of Rene and co. misinterpreting Khemia, like how archaeologists get stuff wrong in RL. Some solid world building!
@EnchantedCharm
6 ай бұрын
Is the Light realm's golden light implying that, before the Primordial One's arrival, LightRealm!Teyvat was already at citrinitas, complete and perfected, and it was the addition of an external factor, the Primordial One (who's also a citrinitas of a different kind) the thing that started to fuck evrything up for the vishaps? So this interloper, the P1, reforged Teyvat away from its original draconic perfection, so now P1 goes ballistic whenever anyone attempts to do something similar (Descenders fighting among themselves) or even worse (introducing the Abyss' nigredo into the mix)?
@roozeveltfox
6 ай бұрын
good Q! I dont have an answer for that tbh but I'm always scoping out these details. The gold/blue/(even green lights??) always have me wondering
@DrakeWurrum
6 ай бұрын
The new book Perinheri suggests that Rhinedottir is NOT to blame for the Cataclysm. It suggested that Riftwolves were used to fight off Abyssal threats by the Schwanenritter.
@eboshisdescendant8697
6 ай бұрын
I'm wondering if the Primordial Human Project is a national project instead of Rhinedottir's personal research. Clothar said that Khaenri'ah wanted to control the Abyss and Traveler's Sibling was expected to achieve this. And both the summoning of the twin and Rhinedottir's research have the same goal: to acquire a Descender/Primordial Human.
@v.v365
6 ай бұрын
Is Paimon a component in the Traveler’s alchemic process to become a Primordial Human? Could that be a role Albedo tried to fill with Sucrose, so far his only assistant we know of?
@bangtanssera
6 ай бұрын
1:08 delulu theory: it was quantum in the world which demanded for things to be “real” aka imaginary
@LynnToledo
6 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness. I love this so much as someone who is interested in psychology ❤
@sound995
6 ай бұрын
albedo saying he's like the traveler got me thinking about that traveler is a copy of their sibling they are made from things beyond this world even though it's kinda wrong because dan said to traveler (now you have set in this world)god every time I go and see traveler story in character menu and that last bit about loom of fate instead of a vision like a normal character or archon gnosis I wonder what exactly is loom of fate I think it's a crystal or a pearl something like a vision but corrupted and the traveler will purify it like dvalin tears and use it like a vision.
@TinkRomero
6 ай бұрын
I have this (long, so I’ll shorten it) theory, about how Khaenri’ah managed to make a Throne equal to the Seven Divine Thrones, and our sibling is the heir to this Throne. The reason why they can’t be considered a Descender is because they belong to this world, because despite not being from the world, they have an inheritance of something that fundamentally belongs to the world, henceforth, they now belong to the world. In fact, this Throne may even be the reason why Irminsul’s records of them is being obfuscated.
@lordbroccoli3987
6 ай бұрын
i think there is connection between arlecchino's power and alchemy because there is a theory about her for being narzissenkreuz subject (game of rich world quest)
@MrGrimx1
6 ай бұрын
Very insightful! Thanks!
@Necrochaosium
5 ай бұрын
There you have it even more proof that the abyss sibling is not your real sibling, they're a copy made by alchemy and shifted in purpose by the sinner. Being the almost perfect copy they themselves think they're the real thing with all the memories. I really do hope i'm wrong because then it may mean the 3rd descender: destroyed and broken apart really was your real sibling. I know there's time irregularities and things dont make sense but our perspective as the traveller is warped also we already know we have missing memories.
@ilios-kai-fengari
4 ай бұрын
Hyv after making the best lore in the game then completely firgetting about it
@Columbina51
5 ай бұрын
Sometimes, getting what you want from unknown beings will come bite you back
@dasytaylor
6 ай бұрын
Yooooo it's out!! I'm watching ASAP!
@HoneyDoll894
6 ай бұрын
honestly i have no idea how it connects to here but i now that i saw it i can't really get it out of my mind. so like Herrsher of the void from honkai is clearly at least somewhat mirroring the keeper of the heavenly principles. but she in her form has two sets of three wings. one with a black red gold and white color, and one that is almost identical to the siblings set of six white and gold wings. she also has that sort of duality going on and I can't help but feel like the siblings are kind of taking after that duality. both meth the keeper, one was sealed in the cube and the other was.. something. one of them saw khanria destroyed by the heavenly principles and since then is going against celestia. the other one is still a sort of pure traveller, befriending the archons and trying to become whole
@reveriesend4668
6 ай бұрын
17:32 well, Dain also said that god itself (I think he was implying Susty) stopped Rhine. I would assume the archons were summoned to Khaenri'ah to stop them, too, so
@yuyu4432
6 ай бұрын
I am looking forward to this alchemy event. we might get the answers to the questions you are looking for
@sweatygoblin2335
6 ай бұрын
lord help me, i thought i escaped jungian philosophy when i got my PhB i cannot be free of this man, damn you karl
@sarahangel3481
6 ай бұрын
Very good research roozevelt.👍 A lot of what you say makes sense. And I believe that you are on the right path. We will probably find out whether this is true either in the next versions or, if we are extremely unlucky, only at the end of Genshin. 😥 I've been trying since I've been playing Genshin, unfortunately this has only been the case since 3.0. Before that, I couldn't play Genshin. How the world is structured. However, it is extremely difficult to find out which aspects Hoyovers actually used. But most likely a good mix of many things from all over the world. I would love to write and discuss theories myself. But unfortunately I'm having trouble putting everything into context. Because we are still missing the other regions, it is still difficult to connect everything.😶🌫 But to go back to your video. Many of the things you explain in the video are familiar to me. For example, a month ago I bought a book about alchemy and mysticism in order to read exactly that. I love reading things about mythology, history, science and the like. Because it all fascinates me a lot. This book also explains the concept of the cosmic man. I'm so excited to see what will happen. And I'm constantly afraid of what the end will be like.🥶 I'm hoping for a happy ending. Even though I know that there are probably many who don't want that. And I respect that too. Everyone can wish for what they want. But unfortunately I've consumed so many different media at the moment where there was always a terrible ending. That's why I'm very annoyed with the end of the world in various media.😑 It would be refreshing to find a happy ending again. Because it's rare for me to find something I like. But that's just my opinion. But I can at least hope. Since Kaeya is my favorite character and I've had him on my team since the beginning (he stays on my team forever). Of course I hope that we can save the world, that nothing happens to Kaeya and that Khaenri'ah ends up being more of a nation that was simply misunderstood. That some information was misinterpreted and Khaenri'ah was simply made as a scapegoat for everything even though that's not true . But we will probably only find out at the end of our trip.😅 💙
@acostureirinha
6 ай бұрын
Amazinggggg ❤❤❤
@AkaiKnight
4 ай бұрын
HEY HEY HEY, that’s OUR word. 2:40
@jakubbarczyk4310
6 ай бұрын
DAMN you cooked, this was great
@DrakeWurrum
6 ай бұрын
I think Khaen'riah swapped rubedo and citrinitas because they were seeking a human capable of surpassing the gods. They were trying to find a citrinitas that could surpass rubedo.
@yYSilverFoxYy
6 ай бұрын
I think all that Rhinedottir successfully pulled out of the Abyss using Khemia are repressed aspects of Phanes from the Abyss. Elynas and Dvalin both remember a time “before their birth” in the darkness. The Abyss is not a true “Outer space” compared to Teyvat. …How does Fate predict when Surtalogi’s pet beast would be unleashed? How do the “dead” carry misfortune? They are not truly from outside, but rejected aspects of Phanes and the “ideal world” of Teyvat that he created. This lines up well with the idea of Phanes being a creator god similar to that of Gnosticism - A deeply flawed Demiurge, who wanted to create a perfect world, therefore split up “good” and “evil” creating his own worst enemy alongside his paradise. In psychology, this is called “splitting”. When one begins to aggressively categorize things as either fully good or evil. Dragons and heroes, an innocent game in childhood, a self-destructive delusion in adulthood. (As with the Narzissenkreuz gang.) Phanes, in the beginning (Or is it the end..? Just a time travel thing that’s another long story.) decided to live inside his own eggshell, creating a thriving, perfect world. A god that should have no fear, hiding from his own shadow, his own darkest self. Every living creature created by Phanes rejects “The Abyss”. A human being so deep in denial faced with past trauma may mentally regress and experience flashbacks of traumatic events. As Phanes is a god, his beloved humans regress from technological and cultural advancement to a tribal stage, taking on a hairy, animalistic appearance. Natural disasters are the representations of flashbacks. Red skies, dying plants, destroyed cities… As certain inhabitants of world get more curious about the truths of the world, they may reconnect with this collective unconscious (The unconscious Phanes) and see visions of “Apocalypse” which look similar for everyone that comes into contact with it. Melusines see something different, initially beautiful landscapes since they came from Elynas, who came from the Shadow Realm. Re-connecting with the “accepted parts” is initially a pleasant experience for them. As Canotila says: “I see: The flames on the throne have been extinguished, and the burnt ashes have once again turned into trees. Flowers bloom with your every step, bringing change to an otherwise inevitable decay in the future.” - A Melusine can accept the truth and still perceive the world as a “garden”. They just want to be integrated, but then… “I just wanted to see the blooming sunflowers and the cute puppy... But a monster came after me, and the sky got darker. I heard many voices talking about things that I didn't understand. The world got a little darker whenever the monster came near. The garden, the palace, the great trees, and the flowers all disappeared. It was very gloomy, and I only saw ruins...” - Canotila’s garden turned into “Apocalypse” after she got comfortable with the truth, but she experienced the violent rejection that the dreamscape (Phanes and his ideal world) show towards something that “shouldn’t be here” (truth). I don’t think the Traveler is truly from another world either. Just another repressed aspect of Phanes, who may or may not be able to help the situation of this mental wreck of a god…
@frenchie2580
6 ай бұрын
Great video as always!
@hermdude
5 ай бұрын
12:50 It just occurred to me as I thought through the implications of HI3 and what the number three represents in the game... Technically Genshin is the 4th Honkai installment that they had to change the name of the game to "attract their potential shareholders" that they don't have just 1 IP (which they eventually decided not to IPO). And if that's the case, then what are the symbolisms of the number 5 in HSR, if any.
@lalalalaaAa123
6 ай бұрын
Fascinating 🤔🤔🤔
@nanavstheworld
6 ай бұрын
once again loved your video
@bangtanssera
6 ай бұрын
Imagine if Rhinedottir becomes playable
@suoizon
4 ай бұрын
funny how khemia is literally just the finnish word kemia, which means chemistry lol
@joshua30071984
5 ай бұрын
So could it be that "gold" is trying to create the body of the 3rd descender,and the she is working with the tsaritsa?
@Bubblegum-cv7bw
6 ай бұрын
RAAAAAAH albedo lore👹👹👹👹👹
@Thesnoogy
6 ай бұрын
ATE!
@cherryleafy101
Ай бұрын
I'm going to suggest an idea. It could be entirely wrong and I could be misunderstanding. You mentioned the idea of the abyss being the Prima Materia and a kind of chaotic primordial material. What if the reason the abyss and related things like the abyssal goo are so poisonous to Teyvat precisely because it's a primordial material. I wonder if the incomplete oceanids/humans and primordial seawater story if fontaine reflects a broader state of the world. Perhaps Teyvat itself is incomplete and undergoing the process of individuation. Especially if the theory that Teyvat is housed in a dream turns out to be true. Perhaps when the Primordial One formed what we know as Teyvat, what they created wasn't fully complete. They separated the universe from the microcosm of the world, so they separated out part of the primal material and created Teyvat. What if they only managed to reach the albedo stage, rather than full realisation; if Teyvat is sustained in a dream, perhaps it needs to become physically real outside the dream to reach complete individuation. So Teyvat is in a transitional state of fragility. So when the Prima Materia in this theory, so Abyssal material, leaks into Teyvat it upsets a delicate balance and ongoing alchemical process. The influx of chaotic material overwhelms the fragile order that has been established out of it, leading to severe negative effects for Teyvat and its inhabitants.
@roozeveltfox
Ай бұрын
I think you're on to something because I kinda was thinking about a similar question from a completely different angle. In Simulanka (so mild spoilers if you haven't done that yet), anything the dragon touches turns into cubes. And the actual Durin was an abyssal dragon created by Rhinedottir. So maybe the story-Durin is commentary about abyssal power breaking stuff down to its "building blocks', which in this case would be the prima materia. It's like, alchemy in reverse. Nice catch on the comparison with primordial seawater and Fontainians!!!
@cherryleafy101
Ай бұрын
@@roozeveltfox I've completed Simulanka, no need to worry about spoilers 😊 I think Genshin frequently uses foreshadowing via earlier stories and events, so I think you're probably right on the Simulanka part.
@ziephel-6780
6 ай бұрын
Despite how mundane the whole game is right now currently... this gives me more reason to keep going with the game XD
@alexanderericson8628
6 ай бұрын
I think the being talking to Clothar was talking about Clothar not the sibling. "oh creature why do you bow down" It is Clothar that is bowing not the sibling, so what he says should be referring Clothar "I shall shed a tear for you at the end of time" This is meant for Clothar not the sibling that's at least how I interpret it One theory is that Rhinedottir is or became a dragon and her obsession with dragons originate from there. This struck me when her teacup was shaped like a dragon in the Hexenzirkel cut scene. I have a hard time otherwise to see a direct connection. Yes she was gifted in Khemia, but why does that relate to dragons necessarily. Also there is one more curse in game that people barely mention anymore that has a key role, Eleazar. Be happy to hear you brainstorm what you think this is, and how it originated, how old it is, if it's connected to Khaenri'ah, was it a punishment or a result of to much experimentation with Khemia.
@rikilogia
6 ай бұрын
Now I'm curious if Eleazar has any connections to Khaenri'ah & the art of Khemia, the only place we know that had this illness was Sumeru which only happened due to Deshret trying to use forbidden knowledge with it's only permanent cure being the erasure of Rukkhadevata's memory. It is the closest nation to Khaenri'ah too. Khaenri'ah could have possibly used forbidden knowledge & maybe cause Eleazar to themselves. But I don't remember if anything about it was mentioned by Dainsleif. It sounds interesting though
@alexanderericson8628
6 ай бұрын
@@rikilogia The idea is that Eleazar was dragon sickness. And that dragons and humans cannot coexist. The one rule Celestia has is to not create a species other than your own, and that law is put in place for a very good reason. It appears as injustice because the dragons wanted some of the divinity Celestia had at least I think that is hinted in Apeps monologue. She talks about heaven with admiration. "You lean on heavens glow without a fraction of understanding of what you call time Buer" Either Khaenri'ahns tried to turn themselves into dragons to have better odds towards Celestia. They used the machines known as field tillers in game to fight the Abyss at least that's what I think they used them for. But Celestia cannot be fought with robots. For whatever reason they wanted to be a godless nation I don't fully understand why yet. Dainsleif's is hunting down the first field tiller to repair his ring Nibelungen which is preventing him from dying from his curse. He is surprised that Halfdan can break out of the curse without the ring. If he stole that ring he might regret what he did. I don't necessarily think he is evil I think he stole it to have a chance to alter history and that's how he came to our timeline. Lumine however sees it differently she thinks Dainsleif is responsible for the Cataclysm.
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