"You may think that, but, remember, they were not BORN under the stars as your people were. In fact, from the perspective of their homeworlds, the star alignments mean a different story. Heck, they weren't born in the same year. So, how can you judge them based on different universal perspectives?" Basically, use their same methodology against them.
@toefoneman
3 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same
@jamesnoneyabizness5611
3 ай бұрын
Yes, _weaponized stupidity._ Use whatever weapons your enemies give you.
@Kohl293
3 ай бұрын
This is definitely the move.
@tremas3329
3 ай бұрын
If i remember properly, the Captain actually did argue that(and the video here actually reiterates it a bit) at one point, but it was dismissed as the leader refused to see any other perspective but their own societies. And he also said he wouldnt want to be a part of such a system that didnt believe what they believed. Epitome of 'dont care if it's true, i just believe it' mentality.
@nexusinc.4367
3 ай бұрын
Plus it's pretty much impossible for that planet to have the same constellations as Earth seeing as it is thousands of light years away
@annabellebestia332
3 ай бұрын
There was a really easy way for them to get out of this. "Oh no it's not like that with us because we're born on different planets different Stars rule our births, "
@toefoneman
3 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@transsnack
3 ай бұрын
They tried that, it didn't work. The old guy wouldn't see beyond his own society's teachings.
@Joesolo13
3 ай бұрын
No one this radical will listen to reason
@markeviouslipscomb3460
3 ай бұрын
They, like the Moclans refuse to see through other people’s perspectives. Even if it was said they would likely believe that once a Gelliac entered their solar system the Gelliac star would influence them negatively. Belief systems supercede logic.
@tonypeppermint5329
3 ай бұрын
@@transsnackYeah. The fact he basically tells the audience he "sees" it everyday should be the bigger sign.
@evelynjolly9375
3 ай бұрын
So u contact the universe thinking everyone is going to be the same.
@jkdragonjk6895
3 ай бұрын
I mean if you think you have found the definitive absolute truth about the galaxy. Then it logically stems that anyone more advanced than you would come to the same conclusion.
@Darlf_Sevil
3 ай бұрын
@@jkdragonjk6895 but he is not like is posible but he 100 sure. His civilization start a war and die
@drakenred6908
3 ай бұрын
Let's see. Vulcans humans orions trill heck even humans and Klingons can interbreed. To make things even more interesting apparently one of the oldest S/S species came from earth millions of years ago. Seriously much early Sci Fi was insanely racist.
@davidpavia7347
3 ай бұрын
I mean, that’s what we did
@Satan_Official
3 ай бұрын
That's... That's exactly what humans do, like, RIGHT NOW. Humanity has been sending messages into space for decades now, but if aliens were to show up, I'm pretty sure humans would nuke them if they were too different.
@user-tl9ip3ry8x
3 ай бұрын
The position of the stars would be different from the homeland of the people they are talking about. So they couldn't be the gilliak thing
@redes9529
3 ай бұрын
They would be gilliak on that planet though
@user-tl9ip3ry8x
3 ай бұрын
@redes9529 no they position and alignment would be different because they belive it's the position of the stars connected to that planet based on the whole c-section issue. So on another planet thier star alignment would be different. So in alpha centauri a Gemini would be born in our capercorn
@peronkop
3 ай бұрын
@@redes9529 Even if they are born on the same planet, the stars move. There should be a measurable continuous change in outcomes if it was all true.
@redes9529
3 ай бұрын
But they weren't born on that planet and are possibly in a different galaxy altogether then the one they were born on so the position of the stars would be completely different
@user-tl9ip3ry8x
3 ай бұрын
That is literally my freaking point. What are you arguing that is different to my position?
@chadsmith8966
3 ай бұрын
This is why I liked Sisko on DS9. He wouldn’t have played these stupid philosophical games. He would just say, “give me back my people or I start nuking your planet.”
@MrsV19
2 ай бұрын
Yes!!!!
@Gr8FullyDead420
3 ай бұрын
Man if I were talking to someone from a civilization literally thousands of years more advanced and knowledgeable and they were telling me that I’m objectively wrong, I might consider that they might be right.
@Havo_Arts
3 ай бұрын
If we had aliens come and say Jesus wasn't real, people would deny It's not about fact but faith
@michaelmoreno1683
3 ай бұрын
He did. When he said even if I let them go. It would be national outrage.
@anna.owo.
3 ай бұрын
Have you never heard of the Nobel effect? People we considered genius can believe pretty dumb shit. Always question everything but not in an arrogant way.
@Gr8FullyDead420
3 ай бұрын
@@anna.owo. True but like I said, Captain Mercer is pointing out that their entire society is based on falsities and he’s rejecting it. Even in a hypothetical, he wound change anything despite knowing its bs because of public outcry.
@deckwolf3442
3 ай бұрын
Except, the be objectively wrong. Because ethics isn’t objective. But, that’s why we have global wars, to see which culture and system of ethics can stand against others.
@BossOrca87
3 ай бұрын
What I don't get, it that Kelly and bortus were born on different planets under different stars, so wouldn't that mean they weren't technically Giliacs
@rvolcano7338
3 ай бұрын
You’re trying to understand insanity with logic. Might as well go looking for darkness with a flashlight.
@nickschumacher4309
3 ай бұрын
@@rvolcano7338 that would actually be pretty easy.... It's called shadow puppets lol But I do understand your point
@cookieridergirl
3 ай бұрын
As many who have mention this before. They did try to argue that point and he still didn’t listen.
@senioravocado1864
3 ай бұрын
They're technically born at the same time though, like if someone gives birth on a Monday in China and someone also gives birth on a Tuesday but at in the US They're practically born at the same time but in different timezones and hence dates, they're registered to be born a day apart
@MogofWar
3 ай бұрын
They probably dont even realize the stars in constellations aren't(in most places) actually in close proximity.
@XerKoro_neo
3 ай бұрын
Attributing someone’s entire self-worth based roughly upon when someone’s parents got laid… I think that’s pretty stupid. But youd think at this point people would stop having sex at certain months instead of C-sectioning the babies.
@colehiggins8035
3 ай бұрын
And you’d think people nowadays who didn’t want babies wouldn’t have sex but funny how humans are stupid like that
@crawlingnemesis2967
3 ай бұрын
Actually thus does happen, in Japan and probably China the sign of the fire horse is said to be a bad wife, so birthrate in this one year goes down every time due to fear of having a daughter who's potentially partner might decline her just because of their sign
@lilithlux8127
3 ай бұрын
That's fucking insane.
@KatsuRyu
3 ай бұрын
That requires using math to determine the approximate birthday of your kids. I mean that's why my older sister's birthday is 2 days after mine (Or mine is 2 days before hers) But Math requires logic
@ethansargent
3 ай бұрын
Them: We treat a group horribly for something outside their control and they hate us for it. Clearly their fault!
@Galdenberry_Lamphuck
3 ай бұрын
Politicians be like
@mingthan7028
3 ай бұрын
Bro thinks as if the Cosmos cares for people's feeling
@ton10p
3 ай бұрын
Personally I beleve any celestial(divine) beings are managerial and janitorial because I think their only cares are about making the reality they exist in persists through out time, aka no God of any merit gives a damn about man or woman, if they exist they would be completely separated from all normal classes of life forms, they also would be completely inconceivable as a form of life, like they would instead of being peaple you can interact with they would be energies and rules that manipulate and controll reality itself... but my belief in this is more loose as I know theirs no real way to prove it but if it's actually true then it would be like thinking things like gravity has sentience hence I don't just beleve it as fact but more closely a question, on how much of this random chaos was not by chance... Aka I beleve if anything with the power of a God exists, we will be forever beyond its notice
@cberger3558
3 ай бұрын
A lot of people think that irl😂
@nickschumacher4309
3 ай бұрын
I don't even care about people's feelings, why the hell would the cosmos Lol
@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus
3 ай бұрын
@@cberger3558 I could make a pretty compelling pseudo science explanation for why that could be the case but honestly I could not be bothered to even if you pay me.
@burythelight548
3 ай бұрын
Then let them suffer for their ignorance.
@WitchCandyVODs
3 ай бұрын
They couldn't just do that. Two of their captains were in prison on their planet simply for being born on a certain day
@brandonbrown6741
3 ай бұрын
I would just give them a warning: Give back my crew or be annihilated from space
@ColdNorth0628
3 ай бұрын
The most forward answer "give them back or prepare to have your world glassed"
@EVER_PRINCE
3 ай бұрын
Ah a fan of the Covenant method of diplomacy
@steelman6403
3 ай бұрын
@@EVER_PRINCEhey it is effective
@dylanmoran4312
3 ай бұрын
They brought this up in the episode. The people in charge basically told the captain he can’t take any hostile actions whatsoever because it would be in violation of the laws involving planets reaching that stage of advancement. They had to go about freeing them a different way.
@ThePinkRubber
3 ай бұрын
@@EVER_PRINCEi mean they don't give shit about arresting other people not from theirs and probably off them. It's only natural you off threats
@wingzero7X
3 ай бұрын
Orville comedically trashing zodiac sign nuts
@Chronologist89
3 ай бұрын
For being trained in contacting new societies, they suck at diplomacy quite a lot.
@Galdenberry_Lamphuck
3 ай бұрын
That's because they are using logic and reason against someone who lacks it.
@Chronologist89
3 ай бұрын
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck I you got in contact with a new society, you can make absolutely no assumptions. We have a ton of weird quirks in our society as well, we just don't notice them, because they are normal to us. On the flip-side, we tend to assume that all the things we have figured out in the past, are so exceedingly obvious, that everyone must have come to the same conclusion. It's pretty much impossible to separate traditions and society on a purely reason-based approach, because the history of a society plays a huge role in that development. Imagine if world war 2 never happened. We might have set entirely diffetent priorities and live in a completely different society today. Just as an example.
@robustanybody5138
3 ай бұрын
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuckwow so only my way or the highway approach i see
@harrydoescrap6423
3 ай бұрын
The guy kinda sounds like Doctor Breen from Half Life 2
@thee_number_six6227
3 ай бұрын
The old dude has the wrong perspective. Thei home worlds have diffrent stars, different constalations, different astrological signs. Their "Zodiac" is a different Zodiac.
@zechariah22
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, and they all don't matter
@thee_number_six6227
3 ай бұрын
@@zechariah22 oh astrology is complete horse shit no matter how you look at it, but when arguing about horse shit you gotta throw shit back at them.
@mitchellbrown6709
3 ай бұрын
This world would be a teen moms paradise
@nexusinc.4367
3 ай бұрын
Words like that is how you get a giant force field put around your planet😂😂😂
@alexello1189
3 ай бұрын
Dude could be silenced with one ultimatum; “either play ball with the rest of the galaxy or the rest of the galaxy is gonna destroy your ball” pretty simple. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Honestly after the dude says he believes the stars position more than a persons actions that would have been enough proof for me to call an orbital strike on his ass.
@Finn_reif
3 ай бұрын
This is my favorite episode and me and my family will regularly walk onto a room, call each other “Jilliac Trash,” and leave.
@Auvas_Damask
3 ай бұрын
You can accept reality as it is or not, but that doesn't change the fact that it is what it is. And if any of you are wondering, yes, you seem just as ridiculous to us and especially the young earth creationists.
@lord_haven1114
3 ай бұрын
There would be absolutely no way they could become an advanced society if they took astrology that seriously. There’d have been wars and dozens of violent revolutions before they could reach the stars
@martina.9357
3 ай бұрын
An episode roasting zodiac believers.
@MattHarb
3 ай бұрын
How do they know that their calendar matches the calendar used by the Orville crew? Like a day or a year on one planet can be significantly different based on size of planet and rotation around given sun
@samuelmendoza5986
3 ай бұрын
Ignoring the astrology thing, the dude did have a point. Even if he didn't believe in that system, his entire society does, and releasing them could cause massive riots and mayhem
@dukethegamer1308
3 ай бұрын
The only reason there would be proof is because they make it so. Treating people like nothing if there born on a spacific day. They made there own monsters
@williamklemp3764
3 ай бұрын
"Maybe i do believe life is chaos, and insignificant, and random. But that doesnt mean i dont believe it to be beautiful. Just because something is insignificant, doesnt mean it lacks meaning. Just because something is random, doesnt mean its not educational. Your assertion that a chaotic, insignificant, random life is inherently bad is flawed as it is offensive."
@varunsharma3532
3 ай бұрын
Does the climate in which the mother lives while the child is in the womb have an effect on the personality???
@Hakar17
3 ай бұрын
Kind of because culture is affected by the climate and culture effects ones outlook as they grow up.
@GrizzlyTank
3 ай бұрын
@@Hakar17 That’s always been the one rational reason for why I think people embrace astrology. The time of year you are born affects the sequence in which you experience life.
@Hakar17
3 ай бұрын
@@GrizzlyTank Perhaps
@mingthan7028
3 ай бұрын
A Fallacy @@GrizzlyTank
@GrizzlyTank
3 ай бұрын
@@mingthan7028 oh, no doubt. One’s birthdate certainly doesn’t dictate events throughout their life or anything like that. Just saying the season one comes of age could have a marginal impact on their personality and explain why the star signs have unique personalities. Just a theory.
@JB-ew6pi
3 ай бұрын
“I wouldn’t want to live in a society that believes the universe is chaos.” So, you’d rather live in a fantasy world than accept the truth. That says volumes of your character.
@Olimar92
3 ай бұрын
Well he wouldn't be allowed to imprison people he dislikes or demand abortions if he accepted the Universe doesn't care.
@ministryofwrongthink6962
3 ай бұрын
Astrology getting heat in this one 😂
@KobKobold
3 ай бұрын
As it deserves. All pseudosciences deserve to get all the heat.
@makeitsonumberone1358
3 ай бұрын
This is ripped off of a episode of TNG were there religion is based off there planet being the centre of the universe.
@forrestrehrig7812
3 ай бұрын
Congradulation, that episode was based of human history.
@MarioFlynnCr33
3 ай бұрын
Hey guess what? The Orville is a comedy, parody.
@iancanterbury2380
3 ай бұрын
@MarioFlynnCr33 and still better star trek than discovery 😂
@Casterspellproductions
3 ай бұрын
No, that's just how most civilisations think. The idea of an entire society based on astrology is actually really cool and original. And if I'm being honest that ST episode was mid
@forrestrehrig7812
3 ай бұрын
@@Casterspellproductions so your saying all who are born gemini should be jailed because our dual nature, or all aries and taurus born because of their inherient violent nature. If you had watched the episode and other shows that have touched on astrology based societies have shown how quickly and inhumanely they become.
@anorouch
3 ай бұрын
Of everything is chaos. Order only happens because we decide it should.
@dirzaghdheerik5998
3 ай бұрын
"Judged them by their actions" yeah and say that to real life politicians 😂😂
@thelostcompass1320
3 ай бұрын
There's no unsorted chaos, because to me, it's been orchestrated and designed that way.
@hats4cats
2 ай бұрын
Before you judge him, he's believed this his entire life. He's been told this his entire life. He probably believes he sees what he's as evidence to his bias his entire life. People in real life are that way too. Racism I dont like, but I know that some people are racist not because they are bad people but they were taught bad things their entire life. But people think "it's easy, just stop" but that there is toxic thinking. The enemy of intolerance is compassion. *note, im.ignoring the whole fact that they need to rescue someone in the show and to do so they have to convince him.
@zwerbservo8939
3 ай бұрын
When you send an invitation to any organic or mechanical lifeform to learn your ways, and they say the universe doesn’t dictate your way of thinking and therefore your way is considered primitive: "Impossible!"
@huntrezz01
3 ай бұрын
Captain Mercer : looks like you've chose to live alone
@terramerc733
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like exterminatus to me
@Xzeros
3 ай бұрын
No dude..., in their universe is "Launch torpedos!"...
@micahh9351
3 ай бұрын
It doesnt matter if you want to or not. Thats the way things are, and thats the way they will be.
@kobybarnes3035
3 ай бұрын
Lol things are constantly changing bud
@ezrafriesner8370
3 ай бұрын
What
@Nawmps
3 ай бұрын
Can you please elaborate on your position a little more? I genuinely can't tell whose opinion you're advocating for.
@Galdenberry_Lamphuck
3 ай бұрын
It is what ot is but what it is is bullshit
@robustanybody5138
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like colonialism
@homosapien6031
3 ай бұрын
Think what you want. When you start treating people differently based on baseless thoughts, then it’s an issue. You don’t have rights to anyone or anything other than your own body. And a government’s role is just to make sure that always stays. Corporations don’t abuse power and essentially enslave people. And everyone is giving the opportunity to stay alive and seek happiness. So we all become better
@Briselance
2 ай бұрын
"Why are you defending them?" "Because they're part of my crew." "Ah. Right. Keep forgetting about that."
@ProfessorNexus
3 ай бұрын
4:48 wrong, DOM and Boom are on good terms and this was just a reference of DOM’s multiverse series and the beef drama from awhile back.
@IixiXOuOXixiI
3 ай бұрын
Now listen, I don't like Geminis either, but that doesn't mean they should suffer unfairly
@coreypharveyable
3 ай бұрын
😢 damn...Gemini aren't that bad
@IixiXOuOXixiI
3 ай бұрын
@@coreypharveyable It was mostly a joke. 😅 But nearly all the Gemini I meet have been terrible. Two that stick out in my memory are my abusive stepdad and my old bully.
@xavierallbright9417
3 ай бұрын
What season and episode
@dzagoproductions3450
3 ай бұрын
I don't think people seem to get it in the comments. You're trying to rationalize the logic of their bigotry, when bigotry in and of itself is irrational. That's the whole point of this, this is what racism is even if you're 100% right their hatred supersedes any kind of logic.
@hunterhall1575
3 ай бұрын
The diss on astrologers and theists is pretty well done
@CringeGamingOG
3 ай бұрын
“We judge people by their actions, not their birthdates.” Clearly she’s never heard of the star sign people.
@gewrgioslavrentidis8763
3 ай бұрын
It's like I'm hearing a debate about how "Knowing how zodiac signs says about people"
@KytusGame
3 ай бұрын
Every clip I've seen of this show is just "my race believes in this and it's our way. You're the wrong one"
@dani.lepore9410
3 ай бұрын
"Release him or get vaporized from hornit by our alien tech. Do you feel like gamblin?" Sometimes It's just that easy
@steeds52
3 ай бұрын
No matter how advanced a civilization is it can still be primitive
@Coldheart322
Ай бұрын
He said it best when he admitted he wouldn't want to live in a chaotic, unordered universe. They enjoy the "peace of mind" of having everything ordained and determined for them. Logic doesn't come into the equation to them.
@MTTT1234
3 ай бұрын
Well, there is a human precedent for that actually. In the Chinese calender, 1966 was the year of the fire horse, and women born that year were...well...__'According to superstition, fire horse women are said to have troubled marriages, to mistreat men, and to cause early deaths for their husbands and fathers.__ So they tried to either not give birth during that period, or they simply faked their birth-year on the birth certificate, so these women would not be shunned for being born that year.
@kratosGOW
3 ай бұрын
This is what religion would look like if Astrology took over.
@laneleach
3 ай бұрын
That's precisely how the universe works, no one thing happens because it's meant to happen. Those who try to establish order to the cosmos are left behind while it changes. One should spend time not assigning something to something that's completely unrelated, but understanding what has happened to turn something into what it is now.
@sidhartarodriguez8447
3 ай бұрын
Chaos and order is one coin, chaos is seen differently throughout different people what chaos is to you is order to others, and if people want to accept galactic exploration they have to accept its chaos within it to have somewhat of an order
@michellealinateague9892
2 ай бұрын
I can solve this with Federation diplomacy. "Give me back my damned crew or i glass your planet from orbit and leave ONLY giliacs alive."
@jasawthemonkey4219
3 ай бұрын
None of this is real and the old guy is wrong and right. The universe isn't just chaos. There is order to the universe.
@Moving_Target65
3 ай бұрын
I have never watched this TV series, but perhaps the crew of the Orville should consider why the Zodiac is so important to an entire species? Yes, the Orville has the right to protect their ship and crew from hostile people. But I doubt, that they are there to antagonize the local leaders. This scene is akin to foreigners asking why mainland Chinese people eat strange foods. Or asking why the Japanese insist on sitting in the formal "seiza," position (which is very uncomfortable btw). Or why are Asians are so racist to each other?
@The_Dungeon_Smith
3 ай бұрын
This is one of the worst arguments I’ve ever heard on both sides. This show took a lot of liberties with strawman fallacies. When you get to control the argument on both sides and make one look as crazy as possible all the sudden normally irrational argument starts slightly rational.
@BIZZLLENIZZLLE
3 ай бұрын
Gilad and tanagra... when the walls fell.
@pokemontrainerharry9744
3 ай бұрын
Sokath his eyes open
@BIZZLLENIZZLLE
3 ай бұрын
@@pokemontrainerharry9744 Yes !
@Iceflkn
3 ай бұрын
Wouldn't want to live with people that think like that? No, you're already imprisoning those among your own...
@MonsterPrincessLala
3 ай бұрын
Yes how dare emotional intelligence and empathy be exercised
@ghijb3845
3 ай бұрын
“THEYRE JITLYANGS!”
@isaiahblackburn8021
3 ай бұрын
They could have forced his cooperation by explaining the consequences of his actions. They joined the rest of the Galaxy and then immediately committed an act of war. Depending on the race they offend, this mindset could lead to his own planets destruction, imprisonment, or even enslavement. He basically painted a target on the backs of his people. Some leader huh?
@a.j.3633
3 ай бұрын
Another thought, Orville is saying that because they sent messages into universe they must accept other cultures! Uno reverse then those cultures and the Orville should be more open minded towards them. Just saying it's kinda works both ways.
@Oranni5
3 ай бұрын
Ah, the paradox of tolerance
@connorstawicki8467
3 ай бұрын
I may not have seen this show but it seems like the leader took Orville crew or people he knows. So whyshould he respect that leader when people he knows are threatened, that just from what I heard
@dinow269
3 ай бұрын
I mean sure, but the people there previously captured two Orville crew members and imprisoned them. Plus they literally send them to a prison concentration camp later.
@Jesse_IDG
3 ай бұрын
If you drop all the events in the episode then sure... but they are forcing their beliefs on the Orville crew and captured 2 of their members. If they want to not partake in the galactic community due to "Gilliacs" being accepted there then so be it. But don't go capturing members of that community and expect the other side to not want them back or judge you for taking them
@bluedragon8762
3 ай бұрын
So they should accept their citizens being jailed for. . . A birthday? Ok so you accept and embrace honor killings since its a part of another persons culture and we shouldnt disagree? Same thing
@iwantsifegold
2 ай бұрын
This episode aired with mercury in retrograde so that’s probably why the message is off maybe they buy it some healing stones
@gendygoblin8391
3 ай бұрын
It’s not about want it’s about logic and not basing your hate off of nothing. That’s how I would have followed up anyway. I gotta watch this series the bits I find are weirdly deep and comedic at the same time. This is both a jab at astrology but brings up neat discussions about the concept of belief.
@joseescobedo7899
3 ай бұрын
He the person who goes to another country and ask why they dont speak English
@mohammadtaufiq8796
3 ай бұрын
Guess they haven't read HP Lovecraft about what chaos truly is 😂
@punnup3452
3 ай бұрын
Honestly they were terrible at communicating with these people They just treated them like they were insane for believing in astrology like that They should have explained that different planets have different astrology and the stars can have different effects on earthlings You don't fight insanity with logic you fight insanity with logical insanity
@kamrynsikes
3 ай бұрын
Religious fanatics, same here same there
@andrewlanglois6362
3 ай бұрын
Having Life is chaos. All mankind is Giliac, by nature
@user-qm5ot4iz5y
2 ай бұрын
This guy sounds like an astrology girl
@bluecoin3771
3 ай бұрын
Send this episode to any woman that thinks horoscopes are neat.
@garrettviewegh9028
3 ай бұрын
It’s not that they believe the universe is chaos. It’s controlled chaos. The man just sees the universe on one color. Maybe just grey, instead of the countless hues of colors that are possible.
@stevenbacon-cheddar9914
3 ай бұрын
Arguing with someone who believes in horoscopes 😂
@masonhoffman5653
3 ай бұрын
The stupid thing wirh the planet using astrology as a governing system is that EVERY PLANET HAS DIFFERENT CONSTELLATIONS!!! Its like humans taking someone from the andromeda galaxy and saying "oh, youre a scorpio"
@Kevin7557
3 ай бұрын
Remember, if you believe other planets can affect the weather or tides you are a scientist. If you believe the exact same forces affect humans you are nuts. I'd love to see a show where humans run into aliens and they have to explain it to the humans like they're stupid.
@creeperdragon101reboot3
3 ай бұрын
Isnt the recommendation procedure for encounters like these to “meet them as they are”? Like try and understand and communicate/convince them from the same position/logic they’re coming from?
@Galdenberry_Lamphuck
3 ай бұрын
Bigots don't have consistent logic or reason. You cannot debate a fascist because the fascist doesn't even see you as a person. They are brainwashed to twist and refocus every conversation into one that confirms their bias. You cannot debate with a fascist.
@viddergrapho8488
3 ай бұрын
I loved this episode
@dylanbailey8464
3 ай бұрын
How do the astrology women feel about this episode?
@zircunious
3 ай бұрын
Reminded of how japan did the same thing with blood types. They used to and some still do think that your personality is dictated by blood type.
@beserkking
3 ай бұрын
They should have just told them ok then, release these guys, and close your boards to everyone else because this type of thinking will cause you to have a all out war with other planets
@drackestalentorgen166
3 ай бұрын
You know....they kinda should do a bit of reserch into the planets they are visiting before hand
@andrewrowland1989
3 ай бұрын
I love that this show provides the idea that not all cultures or beliefs are equally good.
@hadiisaboss5307
3 ай бұрын
Yeah they're not? Would you say the 1940s German culture was as good as yours
@gard3boi311
3 ай бұрын
@@hadiisaboss5307....you mean the fascists who wanted to be exterminate anyone who wasn't exactly the same as they were. Pretty damn fucking sure the vast majority of cultures on Earth are better than a group that advocates for literal genocide and blood purity.
@BobertTheThirdson
3 ай бұрын
My response would be very simple, you are uninvited from the galaxy, give us back our people now, or you'll be uninvited from existence too
@jorgerascon1212
3 ай бұрын
What i can't figure out is how they became so advanced with such a stupid belief influencing there society.
@salnoto2322
2 ай бұрын
That wall decoration is from worfs quarters
@Censoredagain7881
3 ай бұрын
Constantly breaking the prime directive. Star Trek Federation would be mad.
@itsyapeepkiri
3 ай бұрын
Walks up to him Snaps my fingers to get his attention and get him to look me in the eyes "I'm going to say this really slowly... DIFFERENT STARS."
@burimfazliu3102
3 ай бұрын
Why not just bluff? I know he can’t physically do anything, but come on “You are holding 2 of our officers, violating intergalactic law, by Union Code (insert bogus letters and numbers) I have the authority to blast open your prison and free them.“
@Olimar92
3 ай бұрын
"No you don't have evidence of anything. If this is how your culture has been for thousands of years, than you're just seeing what that culture has done. Release my crew and we're leaving. If you don't want to be open to the Universe, than we'll leave you here."
@Ghosty618
3 ай бұрын
The confirmation bias is crazy 💀
@TiredandQuiteDone
3 ай бұрын
Religious zealotry, check. Unable to listen to reason, check. Obnoxious to debate, check. I had no idea the Orville had a episode on modern christians.
@sol20051
2 ай бұрын
Why not generate a shield to make them incapable of seeing their precious stars?
@rykerhoppe4789
3 ай бұрын
The astrology lovers would love it on thst planet
@trippymlgjunkrat5749
3 ай бұрын
Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it's not true
@Perryprime1999
3 ай бұрын
Astrology girls:
@roberta6641
2 ай бұрын
"I believe the way i do because i live among the stars and i see evidence that not only is your astrological beliefs are whrong, bus so is everyone elses too."
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