Thank you sir for your clear and elegant presentation!
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
my pleasire, happy you found it of help
@deletdis6173
2 жыл бұрын
I know alot about firearms, but twist rates were always one of those things I've been iffy on until this video. Thank you very much, sir. You shined a ton of light on this matter.
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
happy it helped you out
@danielescobar7618
Жыл бұрын
Didn't know much about firearms then
@RoostedFilms
5 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Clover. Honestly never had it explained to me but the concept was already solid in my head. I hope you keep this series going I think it's very helpful.
@CloverTac
5 жыл бұрын
thanks roost
@loboloco866
Жыл бұрын
Extremely outstanding, by far the best explanation of the twist rate, you are awesome, thanks a lot.
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
well, sometimes speaking "redneck" has its advantages 😂🤣 happy it helped
@jorgerodriguez-wv4ul
3 жыл бұрын
Thank u 4 explaining it as simplistic as possible
@CloverTac
3 жыл бұрын
my pleasure and oh WOW, you dug up an old video on the channel didn't you? glad it helped!
@GhostTactical
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. This will help a lot of people. Most don't think about twist rate
@CloverTac
5 жыл бұрын
yep, most newbies haven't a clue it is even a thing, buy a rife and then wonder why some does better than others
@etorawa9367
3 жыл бұрын
This is the simplest I've had anyone explain this to me. Great video!
@CloverTac
3 жыл бұрын
happy it helped, thanks for watching
@MoeLebdeh
3 жыл бұрын
first time i was able to actually understand this. nice work man thanks for the knowledge
@CloverTac
3 жыл бұрын
certainly nothing flashy as far as presentation goes, but glad it helped
@vinnyjhawer7847
10 ай бұрын
I'm from London and love gun but we are not permitted to own them. But I watch many videos on the subject. I have always wondered why you guys were on about when they say that 1 in 8 etc stuff and now I know. Finally someone has explained this properly 👏 👍🏻
@CloverTac
10 ай бұрын
well, you gotta make your way west of the pond sometime and have a range day my friend 😂🤣 for the vast majority of firearm owners, twist rate isn't really a major concern... but as you point out here, certainly worth knowing and understanding just in case, it isn't a difficult concept really just sounds that way
@JasonNortwich
8 ай бұрын
this was a great video explanation, thank you for making it!
@CloverTac
8 ай бұрын
my pleasure, happy to help
@Dominiv262
8 ай бұрын
Very well explained!
@clist9406
6 ай бұрын
Excellent, I’m not confused anymore great explanation
@CloverTac
6 ай бұрын
my pleasure, that was the whole idea here ❤
@jasonrad9332
9 ай бұрын
Great breakdown!
@davidgardner863
7 ай бұрын
A note of interest: Some custom barrel makers back in the old black powder days made a gain twist, that is, a twist that tightened up as it went down the barrel in a quest for better accuracy.
@CloverTac
7 ай бұрын
yup, great side note ❤
@curly_
Жыл бұрын
Thx brother very well made
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
i don;t know about all that but apprecaite the compliment 🤣😂
@Larry-rr6ko
5 ай бұрын
Thank you sir!
@CloverTac
5 ай бұрын
my pleasure
@pbppg
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation 👍👍
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
appreciate it, hope it helped
@deletdis6173
2 жыл бұрын
Your first drawing of a rifled barrel looked like a cinnamon roll, made me hungry. 😋
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
😂🤣 i have never ONCE claimed i was an artist, but i do love me some food, so that might have had something to do with it
@richardkut3976
9 ай бұрын
Thank you,
@CloverTac
9 ай бұрын
my pleasure
@good7habit
7 ай бұрын
Thank you sir
@CloverTac
7 ай бұрын
100% my pleasure, stay safe
@BlackcatOutdoors
5 жыл бұрын
Good explanation Clovertac. This confuses tons of new Shooters out there. Especially if they jump on to a lot of the gun forums and listen to the idiotic debates on the subject.
@CloverTac
5 жыл бұрын
oh yeah, gotta walk before you can run, basics are important
@calebfowler3444
6 ай бұрын
So 1:8 should be good for almost all .223 or 556? 16 inch barrel
@CloverTac
6 ай бұрын
oh yeah, most people do not run less than 55gr or more than 75gr for ammo
@cankurdzen4287
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation, but what is the appropriate rotation for a 9mm barrel?
@CloverTac
5 ай бұрын
that is a good question but as explained here (if i recall, this video is older after all) it does depend on the weight of the projectile you plan on running and to an extent the purpose. for general purpose 1:10 to 1:16 seems to be what most manufacturers go with as those handle 115gr to 147gr well enough. but i have seen twists go as high at 1:24 or even 1:32, especially when running special loads, special projectiles in a competition setting
@cankurdzen4287
5 ай бұрын
@@CloverTac Thank you very much for the clarification. Your explanation is more than wonderful. May God protect you
@cankurdzen4287
5 ай бұрын
@@CloverTac My brother, I am working on a project to produce the Star 30M pistol, and I want a good rotation for it. I will do it
@gerardosaucedo9805
Жыл бұрын
Great video!!! In order to log in twist rate in a ballistic calculator, How should I do it? It is asking me in inches
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
can't say for certain without knowing the calulator you are using BUT if your twist rate is 1:7 that is one 1 revolution for every 7 inches... so with that example, would be 7 inches
@skynut831
5 жыл бұрын
I concur an apple for the teacher!
@CloverTac
5 жыл бұрын
hey now, enough with all the apples, the gonna rot before i get a chance to eat em all!
@kingpin7673
5 жыл бұрын
I brought an Apple for the teach. (I expect extra credit) 🍎🍏. Nicely done Sir
@CloverTac
5 жыл бұрын
you get to sit at the front of the class now :)
@Calaveras32Spcl
5 жыл бұрын
Teachers pet.
@maximwinner5326
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how do they shot m193 (55 grain) using barrels with 1/7 twist rate in the military. Isn't it too fast for the light bullet?
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
so first off, the M16 has been issued in a variety of barrel twists from 1:7 to 1:12... so my first question would be do you know that those who are issued M163 are using a 1:7? i do know that that in the civilian world, a 1:8 or 1:9 seem to be the most common twist rates for the comparable (not identical AR-15). i obviously have no military experience... so i cannot answer from that perspective. from my experience though 55gr will work in a 1:7, much better than say a 75gr would work in a 1:12. the M163 is a FMJ and the biggest issue is eee with light projectiles and faster twists is jacket separation... not nearly as abig of an issue as stabilization. and FMJ projectiles, again in my experience, do not tend to separate as easily as projectiles with an open front, like a SP, HP, etc. and keep in mind to that an OTHP is a match greade style HP, not a defensive style HP. i know that got off into projectile types a bit there, so hopefully wasn't terribly confusing. great question!
@richardsmith1289
2 жыл бұрын
What is a good twist rate for potatoe gun with 1.5 PVC 3 feet long..how about 2 inch PVC? Thanks
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣😂 probably something like 1:0 on both bore sizes, of course will depend on the potato. for a sweet potato, might want to bump that up to 1:1 just to be sure. after all sweet potatos are known to build pressure what with all the gas the produce.
@AloysiusDevadanderAbercrombie0
3 ай бұрын
Is there a best ammo for a 1:9 556/223 or does it make much difference? The barrel is 16 inch if that makes any difference.
@CloverTac
3 ай бұрын
1:9 may not do as good with heaver stuff, say 70r or more but should do fine with say 55gr up to 62gr or so. that is a really common twist for 223
@AloysiusDevadanderAbercrombie0
3 ай бұрын
@@CloverTac now when you say may not do as good, is that in the drop rate of the bullet or could this mess my rifle up? I have 75gr I haven't used yet. I don't normally shoot anything over 100 yards.
@CloverTac
3 ай бұрын
not being ugly but first wanna ask... did you watch the video at all? i explain why twist rate matters. it has little to nothing to do with drop. what will happen is a heavier projectile requires a faster twist to stabilize. if the projectile is wobbling during flight, it is not going to go as far cuz of drag, be as accurate, etc. compare it to a quarterback throwing a football, which is the better way to throw it, loose wobbly or nice tight fast spiral? now with using a really light bullet and a fast twist, there is a chance it spins too fast and can separate the jacket, which is what makes the projectile more areodynmaic, from the core. so a 1:9 in my opinion is too slow for a 75gr but there are all sorts of other factors at play, so it may do alright. probably a good idea to disconnect the idea of twist from any type of distance... while an optimally flying projectile will typically perform better as far as disatnce, doesn't matter if it is so wobbly it is inaccurate or smacks your target sideways (call keyholing). hopefully this helps ya understand better
@AloysiusDevadanderAbercrombie0
3 ай бұрын
@@CloverTac much better. Thank you. I'm better with reading
@Crystal_G_1989
2 жыл бұрын
How about the AKs twist rate I think they have fix twistrate in all variants?
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
i thought AKs were genearlly somewhere between 1:9 and 1:10 and wasn't aware of the principles of twist range being different somehow, barrel twist should just be barrel twist as it has little to do with caliber, platform, etc, all about the length and weight of the projectile verus the proper twist to stabilize said projectile (whatever that might be)
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
are you asking if you can find AKs with varying twist rates? i would say yeah, probably so, caliber will play a role there as well as grain weight ammo they are designed to fire. but everything equal, meaning 7.62 vs 7.62 variant, they should be pretty close to the same, within a inch or so anyway.
@Crystal_G_1989
2 жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac Maybe are universal twist rate that can destabilze any projectile weight because most of fire arms dont talk about twist rate...
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
just becuase twist rate is not mentioned does not mean it does not exist. if a barrel is rifled, there is a twist, there has to be, it is a matter of phyics. unless we are talking about a smooth bore like a shotgun anway. the physics also does not allow for one twist to stabilize everything. the heavier the projectile, the faster the twist needs to be for stabilization. for lighter projectiles, a faster twist can be used, can't really over stabilize anything so in a sense that could be called universal but if you shoot a lighter projectile in a faster twist, there is the likelihood that the fast twist can spin the jacket off the projectile... which is not good and is not normal, so would negate the whole universal concept.
@Crawling_Sloth
3 ай бұрын
I am kinda thinking is it even needed for a gun?
@CloverTac
3 ай бұрын
not sure if this is a troll or serious but yes spin on a projectile is important... ain't no NFL quarterbacks throwing balls without spin. 😂🤣
@jwl5535
Жыл бұрын
45acp is what 1:? Do you use it? 228 grains
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
1:16 seem to be pretty common/standard for 45 acp
@MarkJacksonGaming
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't knock a 1:8 twist out of a 16" into a particular category of bullet grains. This seems like the Goldilocks/Jack of all trades, master of none twist and length. Seems well suited to 55 grain and 64 grain, but can handle more. (speaking for .223/5.56 only) Anyways thumbs up.
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
faster twists can typically handle smaller projectiles, the only issue you sometimes get, depending on the projectile is jacket/core separation due to that increased spin and typically a high velocity as well. only so much spin is needed for stabilization, after that it is wasted motion in a way. as with everything, factors can cause all sorts of variations but you did admit here "master of none" so at least you are being honest. just because it works doesn't mean it is optimal you know?
@MarkJacksonGaming
2 жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac -- Thanks for the reply. I approached my answer like this: If I could only have one twist, and one barrel length on an AR forever, what would I pick? As a PSC doing breaches we ran 10" barrels/AR pistols. You're comp shooting 600 yards, obviously you want a longer barrel with a bit less twist. Thankfully the platform is so flexible. But ... if God showed up and said you can only have one barrel and one twist in all situations forever, what would it be? Think you know my answer. I'm curious to know yours. At any rate, thanks again.
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
for some reason, seems we are going way down the road of AR, when this videos is about the twist on all rifles. so maybe i don't go AR and if i do, maybe i go with an alternative caliber. so given my own choice, probably going with my sbr 8" 300 blackout with a 1:10 match barrel that is mainly becuase a 308 caliber is going to be more effective in my opinion and more things. if we are talking about 556 specifically, probably going with an 12" an 1 in 9 twist. of course my lever 44 magnum is a good choice for a lot of things too. it it really hard for me to pick just one firearm, i own many and they all have very specific uses..... thankfully i don't see a situation where i will ever need to do that 🤣😂
@MarkJacksonGaming
2 жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac -- Of course you're right. Suppose I just started with AR on this. AR on the brain because I'm building one with my 5 year old daughter now. She just passed her checks at school for it, so daddy daughter build. And I own many different firearms as well. As you, me and others should. Just thought it was a decent question to ask :)
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
@@MarkJacksonGaming that sounds like a pretty cool reward
@charlesludwig9173
Жыл бұрын
Spin and velocity, it’s what makes the bullet hit where aimed to X distance.
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
that is a major oversimplification when it comes to twist rates, but true at least to some extent. velocity and spin doesn't have to be present IE cannon balls, smooth bores, etc but when maximum accuracy is the end game, yup, all cards are on the table. twist rate doesn't reall affect velocity to a certain extent but it the cornerstone of spin and the weight of the projectile you need to spin, and to some extent the length of the barrel will dictate what twist can provide the best stabilization and thus accuracy for a given round. there, did i complicate your over simplification enough? 🤣😂
@charlesludwig9173
Жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac I am a Military Rifle Instructor assisting the USAMU deliver SDM Training and part of that training is external ballistics and my comment is fact.
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
never said it wasn't fact... so not sure what you are getting at
@charlesludwig9173
Жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac it’s not an oversimplification as you said.
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣 well on that we will just have to disagree
@twoutdoors515
Жыл бұрын
Can u shoot 53 grain out a 1:9 twist
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
53gr what? the bore and cartridge matter.
@twoutdoors515
Жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac Hornady 53 grain vmax it’s a ar15
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
so 5.56 or 223? if so, should be fine with 1:8 and 1:9... something like a 1:7 could end up spinning fast enough to spin the jacket off depending on the type of projecile anyway
@DLN-ix6vf
2 жыл бұрын
is there not also a relationship between twist rate and barrel length ? a 20" 1 in 9 barrel turns a bullet about the same amount as a 24" 1 in 11 barrel before bullet leaves the muzzle
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
good question, yes, obvioulsy there is a relationaship with total length since one twist in x number of inches (length measurement). as far the having two different length barrels with differen twist achiece the smae complete twist...it does not mean it is equal. achieving a complete revolution faster means the projectile is spinning faster. heavy projectiles need more spin to stabilze, as does longer projectiles (typically) and the copper jackets on lighter projectiles can spin completely off the lead core with too high of a twist rate.
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
since you mention total barrel length here and i don;t really know you firearm education level, wanted to point out that up to a certain poin, barrel length does play a roll with the maximum velocity of a projectile.having enough barrel length to completely burn up the powder behind the projectile befoe said projectile leaves the barrel is of course optimal for that particular cartridge as far as vecolity. oh and also worth pointing out with the previous quesion that a longer barrel with the same twist rate (meaning more spin on the proper projectile) will typically yield better accuracy. what is interesting with this realtionship is that it is all about getting more spin as more velocity will typically end up making things less accurate. i know this can all get crazy and may take some time to understand but hopefully this in addition to the answer to your questions will help.
@DLN-ix6vf
2 жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac so further to my question above a 20" 1 in 9 is NOT an equal spin as a 24" 1 in 11 ?
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
@@DLN-ix6vf equal, not becuase if it does in a shorter length it is a faster spin... i think you are limiting your thinking to a projectile needing a complete spin or something and it has to do with the speed of the spin, not whether or not it gets a complete revolution in the barrel.... we are talking tough concepts to try and explain through comments here, so my apologies for that
@DLN-ix6vf
2 жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac I think I understand so I will cancel my order to buy a used Rem 700 24" with 1 in 11.2 and buy that 20" Rem 700 with 1 in 9. The bullets I want to use are Sierra MatchKings 69gr and they say no less than a 10 twist. I know there are other rifles but I have a Cadex Strike Nuke and a MDT ESS Chassis that use the Rem. 700 platform. Thanks for help !
@toddgaines6600
2 жыл бұрын
Elementary my dear Watson.
@CloverTac
2 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@JAYSONVILLAM
Жыл бұрын
How manny inches in revolution sir?
@JAYSONVILLAM
Жыл бұрын
I got it! I have 1.2 twist rate barrel pcp airgun, it meas to say i have 2 inches distance in 1 revulotion ?
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
wow, i have never heard of a twist that fast. 1:2 would mean one twist for every 2 inches. faster twists as explained here are for heavier projectiles, typically speaking. airgun projectiles by in larger are very lightweight. so i would think 1:2 is way. way too fast for that BUT i am not an airgun expert by any means. are you sure it is not 1:20 or 1:22 or something like that?
@JAYSONVILLAM
Жыл бұрын
@@CloverTac the maker of the barrel said 1.2 twist rate i dont know,
@CloverTac
Жыл бұрын
if you wanna try to follow up on social media PM/DM, email, my website,e tc so you can share links, pictures, etc i can try to help you out.... this all sounds werid to me.
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