How is this a controversy? JJ simply learned about the "fuck around - find out" linear correlation. For him to steal that bonus and think he's going to get away with it by any stretch of the imagination is a marvelous misread of basic human psychology to me.
@harbhub
6 ай бұрын
I guess the controversy is that he somehow is a "strong grandmaster" yet doesn't understand the basics of psychology in Risk. But yeah, nothing to see here.
@joebearslim
6 ай бұрын
When you watch JJ play do you get strong-social-skill vibes from him?
@colinmcmasters5819
6 ай бұрын
Taking the bonus in the first turn is one thing, but to completely break someone who just used their first turn to take it themselves is crazy. You basically just fucked their whole game, obviously they're gonna be mad.
@CaseFreefall
6 ай бұрын
Oh man. The yawn emote sealed that deal if that was me. 10 times out of 10
@jeffreyfulstone7763
6 ай бұрын
This clip is precisely why I do not like JJ. He repeatedly refuses to admit when he is in the wrong. He constantly thinks he is correct when he makes decisions like this, and always gets upset when someone responds in kind. First mistake, he stole bristleboss's bonus and emoted. Second, bristle asked him to break green to even the playing field/get out of his way and JJ's response tells everything "don't tell me what to do". Not "that's not in my best interest" or "that's a bad idea", he says "don't tell me what to do". Arrogance and taunting are JJs fatal flaws, as we see in his third mistake, stacking 10 and then the yawning emote. Technical skill, he's near the top. Diplomatic skills, he's barely better than a base novice who just learned how to roll a dice. There were several ways out of this for JJ if he didn't additionally taunt. Clearly bristle was pointing the gun, and he told him how to get out of it "hit green and take one of his bonuses because I'm taking the bridge back right now". JJ would still be in an ok position with a bonus on the left and a bunch of territories on the right. Bristle is back on the bridge, green is making +3 not +5. Even playing field (sort of, bristle is still weakest at that point). Truly a FAFO moment, and a great lesson for all of us if we get in the same situation - don't do what JJ did
@dslwoodworks
6 ай бұрын
Lmao the "don't tell me what to do" just shoes the immaturity of JJ
@jamesstevenson3116
6 ай бұрын
First time I watched a JJ stream, I said something jokingly and it should’ve been obvious I was joking but he responded like a total ash-hat. Last time I wasted my time with him
@ManUtdTobbe
6 ай бұрын
JJ has always had questionable diplomacy... The over the top emote using etc is not something I'd suggest when it comes to good diplomacy
@DaTimmeh
6 ай бұрын
Especially since he's also the type of person to respond to emotes with "don't tell me what to do!" lol Like idc if you tell me what you'd like me to do, I will or I won't and it will be my decision but it doesn't bother me. Many people (like JJ) hate being told what to do tho, and telling them anything will just fuel the fire.
@alexwilliams8131
6 ай бұрын
Love this video. Would love to see you break down games like this more. Diplomacy is huge in Risk. Learning how to make friends and use them properly is one of the most important aspects of the game. I love how you say when someone declines an alliance it tells so much about them
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
I'm happy to do more if people want to suggest them to me.
@Math2Law
6 ай бұрын
@@FreePete yeah, Spud's fist bump. And whatever your old fight with Brutal Pipe was ❤😅
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
I can't publish the Brutal video because I'm not trying to make the community look worse. It's up though so i can send it to you if you want. @@Math2Law
@Math2Law
6 ай бұрын
@@FreePete yes please
@euandouglas4674
6 ай бұрын
@@FreePete is the video up but not listed?
@jesusfrreak2
6 ай бұрын
7:51 jj says pink could still create a position on the other side of the map if he wants to. I find that QUITE hypocritical. If jj REALLY wanted to avoid a situation like this, HE should have created a turn 2 position somewhere else, rather than stealing a turn 1. I'd be as furious as pink was here and I'd probably do the same thing
@illuminatedstorm
6 ай бұрын
It wasn't just the stolen bonus in my opinion that was the deciding factor for Bristleboss. It was also the antagonization by JJ, whether intended or not, that led to his demise. Bristle clearly points his stack at him in 2 turns basically saying ok, this position is now locked the rest of the game for you. And JJ responded by stacking even more against him. Then Bristle tried to give him a way out saying "attack green" which I think he just meant take the 1 on the road, not fully break Green. Just to kind of let JJ know 'you can have the bridge, but you aren't getting back out thru me. When JJ refuses with the thumbs down, Bristle again communicates "this is your choice and you've left me no option" with the sword emote. JJ responds by taunting and basically daring him with the yawn emote. It wasn't just that JJ should've seen it coming from the initial break, it's that Bristle gave him ample opportunity thru communication to at least attempt to rectify it, and JJ refused. I don't know how anyone WOULDN'T expect the full send at that point, let alone a champion level GM? Not saying there was anything wrong in JJ's initial move, just basically he had opportunities to perhaps defuse the situation, and instead escalated it. And I don't really blame Bristle for the response either, bc if you do back off after all the things he tried, you basically wave the white flag and admit you're submitting to the other player for the rest of the game.
@DesmondDGS
6 ай бұрын
One of the best skills/concepts I’ve picked up from watching Pete is Good Neighbor. It has absolutely elevated my game. I appreciate this breakdown, and it also illustrates another reason why I enjoy watching Pete so much…the logic and empathy he showcases. Side note..be careful with the timing of those emotes! I don’t understand taunting in a situation like that at all.
@MaxFromNL
6 ай бұрын
Yeah I would have and have done the same. Especially early on in the game you need to leverage the bonusses to have any realistic chance of winning. Besides that its also good to teach your opponent those ways of playing don't work.
@nyaanyaamewmew
6 ай бұрын
I think there's a tendency for a lot of players in any game that requires diplomacy to not think beyond the current match. Bristleboss hitting back here surely tanked his chance at a higher score in this match. But Bristleboss NOT hitting back would have told everyone at the table that he'll just roll over and let it happen if they hit him like that turn 1 without giving him any compensation for it in the next turns. Tactically, JJBruhh clearly thought this was his best move or maybe even his only good move turn 1. And putting aside whether it's correct or not, I think it's a reasonable conclusion to arrive at at the very least. Strategically, it definitely had a good chance of souring the relationship with Bristleboss, which I can't say if it was a strategic mistake (although it seems like it) because I don't know their relationship prior to that. But what I think is absolutely a strategic BLUNDER is making absolutely no efforts to mend the relationship after the fact. It's super rare to see any turn 1 or turn 2 play like that from you, Pete. But from the videos I have seen at least, I am very sure we'd hear "I'm sorry I'm sorry it was my only play" a lot, see you send lots of hearts, and see you try to find ways to compensate them. Sometimes you even end up making a buddy for the rest of the game like that. JJBruhh did almost the exact opposite of that. Hope everyone can learn and grow from it together and not attack each other personally. I saw some nasty comments here and there unfortunately. I hope everyone can understand that a player being wrong about being wronged doesn't invalidate the emotions they feel, especially when you put in so much time and effort to be the best version of yourself as a player and do your best in a tournament... and then something like that happens to you, regardless of whether it was your own mistake or not. That sucks. It doesn't feel good. People need their space and time to cope with that.❤
@Kunome
6 ай бұрын
I can’t watch JJ anymore. I’m glad there’s a lot of streamers to choose to watch instead of
@hadleigh01
6 ай бұрын
Diplomacy, in this day and age? That's crazy talk. Imagine taking someone's shit then be surprised when they come take to it back. Haha JJ 🤣
@dslwoodworks
6 ай бұрын
Love this breakdown man. Loved the spud game u did too. JJ had no one to blame but himself lmao. He shouldnt have let pink hold that bonus. Like why would bristleboss EVER just let that slide lol
@UpsidePotential
6 ай бұрын
When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong. Risk Edition.
@alehanedilko2147
6 ай бұрын
JJ had a turn 2 roads line
@sean.chiarot
6 ай бұрын
JJ continues to act like an entitled, petulant toddler who throws a tantrum if he doesn't get his way. Watch his full vid of this game and read his responses to comments. There is no way that taking pink's bonus turn 1 is the right play. How he has fans is beyond me. Love your channel though!
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
I'm not into name calling so I can agree that I think the move is bad but I'm not looking to insult people I consider friends.
@takle9497
6 ай бұрын
Great insight pete as always.❤ Shame you skipped his tantrum and the way he talks to his stream 🤣
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
I didn't see thatbut I know he's still having fun involving himself in the comments on this game.
@takle9497
6 ай бұрын
@FreePete not going to lie pete I am one of them. I believe people were trying reality check him on throwing a tantrum and point out that he made a bit of a mistake. But when he starts being toxic towards his fans and the risk community (especially during your friendly tournament for people of all skill sets) it's a bit out of order in my eyes. Of course emotions run high, basic human traits. But continuing to be toxic, I'm worried it will go against him and the community. Not want we want to see. Especially in your tournament. Big fan and love all you do for our community! 😍
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
Love to you as well! I'm not the sort of person to argue with my fans in my comments. While I do disagree with JJ's opinion I don't presume to tell anyone what they should think. I'm happy to share my own when asked. @@takle9497
@takle9497
6 ай бұрын
@FreePete totally respect that Pete. I believe from the chat it was first put forward as questions then develop negatively from there etc. I think more breakdown videos (like this one) will help the community learn more too. We are all here to learn and help each other afterall ❤️ But from the looks of JJ video this has been a time bomb waiting to go off from alot of the comments this has been a breaking point etc
@watteffer
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this Pete, I love to see the social dynamics at play, the psychology behind the avatars, more content and analysis like this please!
@ANoobNoMore
6 ай бұрын
Peteman! Great video on an interesting strategy question. The fact that another player can react like Bristleboss did definitely makes the play sub-optimal IMO (not to mention the impact of the emote!). JJ had plenty of opportunity to take a decent +4 or +5 bonus on turn 2 which with his turn order position would have a great set up. The justification that every spawn should give a first turn bonus is not realistic.
@TKnight205
6 ай бұрын
JJ made 2 mistakes in my opinion, 1 he let pink hold a bonus right next to him and thought he was not going to be retaliated against, and 2 the E-moting sealed the deal for the attack back. I do not believe he made a mistake by taking/stealing the bridge bonus turn 1. But by no means do you stop pummeling the person you hit turn 1. Everyone on the board runs the risk of the last 2 opponents in the turn order to use the extra troops to their advantage.
@mikest8758
6 ай бұрын
Stealing the bonus was a bad play, jk was asking pink to suicide into him at some point. Also got super lucky with that dice roll. That being said letting pink have extra troops after Stealing his bonus was also a mistake. In a free for all game if you going to attack someone don't stop till there dead otherwise they will make you dead.
@sydekontrol2330
6 ай бұрын
In tournament play if you are aware of the other persons skill and or play style aggravating them is just a silly move... He felt entitled to take that turn one bonus because he is JJ and could pull it off... Forgetting that Bristle is also a top player and would remember it... then the other emotes disregarding him started to just be disrespectful.. He should have seen that coming and either kept smashing pink to feed him or move out of the way.
@steveblock3882
6 ай бұрын
theory of mind develops with age into the mid 20s and continues to develop after which with experience. but theory of mind is correlated with the myelination of the PFC prefrontal cortex, which peaks around 25 years of age. I think
@theartof2ndplace237
6 ай бұрын
Apparently giving players 2nd in the round 7 games are suddenly controversial as well 😅 JJ definitely not showing great deescalating with the yawns. It’s a Russian Roulette type play to steal a player’s bonus 1st turn. Sometimes there’s a bullet in the chamber. I know pink player well enough to know there’s a bullet in literally every chamber. Don’t mess with them 😂 Also, love this type of content!
@silverscrub2414
6 ай бұрын
I wouldnt say this is so much controversial... there is a correct time to attempt to give 2nd, and I think Spuds game is a great example of when you absolutely do NOT try to give somebody 2nd. I think the controversy there was in the fist bump from spud, which is objectively hilarious that an emote can be controversial lol. The other side of it is, why give a potential rival 2 points?
@theartof2ndplace237
6 ай бұрын
@@silverscrub2414I wasn’t referring to that. I was referring to the fact that competitors are complaining that some group winners are giving 2nd to players, while other groups are not, and thus it’s not fair/it’s controversial.
@silverscrub2414
6 ай бұрын
@@theartof2ndplace237 Gotchya. I don’t see why anybody cares about that tbh… in the grand scheme of things it is VERY unlikely that 2 points makes a difference
@colinmcmasters5819
6 ай бұрын
I hate players like JJ, they focus so much of their game on taking turn 1 or turn 2 bonuses and rely on good neighbor meta, but then never play good neighbor themselves.
@silverscrub2414
6 ай бұрын
Excellent video I love these. Any plans to do this in spuds game? That is FAR more controversial imho
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
Yeah I'll put that out too. And I'm surprised it's controversial because this one actually deals with player psychology. Spud's situation is only controversial when people misunderstand the rules.
@silverscrub2414
6 ай бұрын
@@FreePete I think the controversy comes from perceived interpretation of the first bump.
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
Yep. Well in a non-collaboration tournament people are free to percieve that deals can be made, but if they were... that would be against the rules right?@@silverscrub2414
@silverscrub2414
6 ай бұрын
@@FreePete I guess it would depend on what you consider collusion/deal making. With alliances on, you can “make a deal” with somebody to kill them, and it is implied you keep up your end of the deal. In my eyes this is considered a deal, but a “legal” deal bc it’s with alliances which is a feature of the settings. With how limited the communication system is, I think the implied meaning behind a fist bump has similar impact as saying “attack x player, thumbs up thumbs down” with alliances. I think that does leave the dilemma: is it deal making/collusion to try to coordinate with a fist bump in settings without alliances?
@ZeroG_Bandit
6 ай бұрын
@@silverscrub2414 Lol. If the fist bump was binding, the game would mechanically prevent you from violating it. Thinking that an opponent's emote should be trusted implicitly in a tournament is very naive.
@jlohman83
6 ай бұрын
I had a similar issue in my Rd 7 game. Someone took a bonus turn 1 and then my stack bordering them was threatened by another player. So I broke their bonus by hitting a 1 and moved it in. Their response to losing 1 troop was to roll a 4-stack and 5-stack of mine the next round, then another 3-stack the round after. I ended up having to set early and feed his kill giving him 6th, and I lasted until 4th, but his response was just crazy aggressive for losing a 1-stack.
@mustafaking6047
6 ай бұрын
I mean I had more wins the other players gave it to me more then the games I wins by myself
@Math2Law
6 ай бұрын
Do Spud next!
@wideworld9538
6 ай бұрын
6:15 😂😂😂
@NP-gb5su
6 ай бұрын
100% of the players would have focused on making sure the black player get a swift death after that first move. What Pete said is so true, and I think it demonstrates how superior Pete is compared to black
@theartof2ndplace237
6 ай бұрын
💯 of the players that aren’t trying to win or maximize on their points will do that (sewerside).
@michaeldavis8918
6 ай бұрын
I can understand why pink did what he did but he still could have played for the win. Suiciding jj there guenteed that he doesnt win which is fine understandable but objectivly it was a bad play he still had a good chance to win and jjs frustration is understandable
@cfateamleader
6 ай бұрын
His frustration has no place in the situation that he caused and then provoked.
@michaeldavis8918
6 ай бұрын
@cfateamleader yeah it does you can be frustrated at a player for not making an optimal play even if that play is understandable.
@cfateamleader
6 ай бұрын
@@michaeldavis8918 he himself made a sub optimal play to start, refused to admit it as such, and continues to call out the other player for having an ego while being extremely dismissive of any differing opinion. His frustration was his own fault, but he's not willing to admit that as it's easier to place it on other things than learn from a mistake.
@michaeldavis8918
6 ай бұрын
@cfateamleader he's not wrong tho the player an ego, it's arguable that the play jj made was optimal if every player made the optimal play to win then it would have worked out for him. I don't get why you hating so much it made sense from jjs postion to do what he did and it made sense that the other player did what they did. They are both allowed to feel frustrated I get frustrated when I get killed in a kill that makes perfect sense.
@FreePete
6 ай бұрын
Expecting a player to always play to win limits their options. If a player makes me lose I will make them lose too and I feel no obligation to continue to play to some vain hope of winning at that point.
@ZeroG_Bandit
6 ай бұрын
JJ just learned a valuable lesson: kzitem.infoQ0otmkns_Aw
@LithmusEarth
6 ай бұрын
20 Views, 1 Like, Posted 5 Minutes ago at 3:30AM Central time, bro. The timing of this?
@LithmusEarth
6 ай бұрын
4:00 Do you threaten taking the East Roads from Magenta, by moving out onto them? 7:18 they could have been in opposite positions, without the hostility, that was an option.
@IIIAnchani
6 ай бұрын
let's just assume he did it for the European audience, right? ^^
@LithmusEarth
6 ай бұрын
@@IIIAnchani I have no idea, I only know he lives in Canada somewhere above me so like, he's a few hours one way or the other. Considering the TLDR channel I watch the Europe news cycle starts at 4AM and I watch it frequently because that's when my wife has to be to work, so I am awake. It would make sense, I just didn't know about this controversy and is it English related? The whole thing seems like a terrible decision made on his part to move into the middle.
@theinacircleoftheancientpu492
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, quite interesting. In my friend circle, I gained a reputation as a relatively strong player of games, so I would get intentionally targeted often.
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