I picked up the Motu 828ES last week and I'm not having he same issue with all the buttons moving when you touch one button. In fact the built quality feels excellent and really solid!
@adamcoe
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this up, there is very little YT content on the 828es. Picking mine up tomorrow! Considered the RME unit as well and while it's an excellent box, I couldn't justify double the price for the very little increase in quality.
@MadebyMiike
6 жыл бұрын
You are right, the new MOTU units are awesome! Enjoy your 828es!
@ignaciof.3092
3 жыл бұрын
The new Motu sounds amazing really the best option quality/price
@misstress1928
6 жыл бұрын
Scarlett is more cohesive in the upper mids, which is a good thing for guitars and basses. For mics I'd go with more transparent preamps like RME or Clarett. In other words, would be very interesting if you could do a comparison like this between this RME and Focusrite Clarett.
@BrianKeeganMusic
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, I think the Motu is actually my favorite and I expected the RME to win it.
@GritsNGravy
5 жыл бұрын
I agree The Motu sounds clean with a touch of character. The RME is so precise the high end is almost too harsh
@johntyler8438
3 жыл бұрын
One important thing - the drivers on the RME are rock solid. This seems like a small thing but it's not. I started with the Focusrite Scarlett but had many issues over time with crashes, audio not being routed correctly, and needing to work to get it to just work. Ordered the RME Fireface UFX II - and bam, no problems. The routing is also super flexible (although it took me a good hour or two to figure out the first time). I love my RME - no driver problems, ever. It's just something I don't need to worry about now. Also, I've been able to use the ADAT functionality to expand it and get even more I/O which is part of what you pay for with the additional price.
@musicproducer9952
3 жыл бұрын
MOTU makes the same stuff at a fraction of the cost. I have the 828ES and the drivers are very rock solid on Windows. I almost bought the RME UFX but glad I didn't. MOTU offers more bang for the buck as I see no reason to over spend 1500 more for the same thing.
@AlistairMaxwell77
2 жыл бұрын
@@musicproducer9952 not even close to the same thing . the professional features , build quality , life cycle functionality and support and return on investment are not a priority for home/semipro user but if you were in a professional environment using them every day year upon year for a decade or more then those things add up to real $$$ , much much more than 1500$ purchase difference . that's not to say the motu is bad, but if its a different product designed for a different functional requirement
@eman0828
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlistairMaxwell77 I can tell you never used a motu product before. Motu does of all that as thy support their drivers long term. The original 828 firmware interface drivers were supported for ove 17 consecutive years straight. All MOTU hardware was built with professional features as they aren't budget interfaces. They make high end to mid level gear.
@pnutbuttajellee1394
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but should do a BLIND version and then reveal which is which. I am betting you will get mixed results and would be curious with a voting tally chart or something showing overall results. If anyone is able to "hear" a difference, it will only be the different preamp circuit designs. People like to use all kinds of arbitrary adjectives when it comes to audio/sound preference. Entertainment purposes only.
@claycowartisamazing
2 жыл бұрын
Might as well create the content and do the BLIND version yourself.
@fiascoseven2796
6 жыл бұрын
The Motu had the most cohesive upper mid range which allowed the G-B-E Strings to appear more even and balanced. It also had the better string to string balance without drifting into muddy / boomy sonic territorries, I wished it had a tad more 'air' in its response though. The RME had the widest extensions in respect to the pure frequency response, more low- and more high end. The frequency response isn't accurate though, The treble strings never appeared to sound uniform enough in regards to amplitude and dispersion of harmonic density. Even though the sonics were pleasing, the RME lacked a tight time response which will be a detriment when handling percussive sound sources, because the transient detail will not be fully phase neutral. But the treble extension had a nice sheen to it, sort of a velvety smooth overlay which will suit vocal performances and other non transient sources. The Scarlett on the other side had a degree of 'echoing' in its signal which occurs as consequence of inproper filtering during the A/D conversion stage. Cost saving measures I suppose.
@ssabdica3471
5 жыл бұрын
I've been using the Motu Ultralite 1st version since 2006- just ordered the 828ES today.
@vib_di
Жыл бұрын
RME headroom and HF response is remarkable.
@DystopianOwl
4 жыл бұрын
The Motu sounded great! The difference between the RME and Motu sonically isn't $1000... But the difference between the Scarlett and Motu is worth every penny.
@PORRFNK
3 жыл бұрын
The older Motu cards had problems with drivers, software and didnt sound nearly as good. I dont know the newer units, but I am not going back to Motu
@bluebird1954
3 жыл бұрын
@@PORRFNK liar liar
@PORRFNK
3 жыл бұрын
@@bluebird1954 What do you mean? I had my fair share of problems. With the older cards the input levels vere quite important to make a good recording. I had problems with sudden high pitched noises and crashing software. The pre-amps were not that clean, which made the recordings muddy in the low end. What is your experience and what cards did you have?
@StevenClements
3 жыл бұрын
@@PORRFNK I've been using MOTU for decades and never had these issues
@PORRFNK
3 жыл бұрын
@@StevenClements 896HD?
@xsonusstudios
2 жыл бұрын
I recently bought the RME UFX+ and came from a Steinberg interface. I agree with all your points and think they apply to the UFX+ the same. The sound is a little precise, lacks some of the mojo the Steinberg had, but overall I am happy with the stability and connectivity. Steinberg unfortunately is famous for ceasing support on their interfaces, so I wanted to get a long term solution this time.
@UniqueThaPoet
3 жыл бұрын
I just bought the Motu 828Es, and I have to say it sounds amazing. I highly recommend this interface. Blown away by the sound . KZitem doesn’t do the converters justice.
@eman0828
3 жыл бұрын
@Snake Plissken Nah RME uses all AKM chips but def not what's in the MOTU. The MOTU is using the latest cutting edge chips. 32bit ESS Sabre on the DAC and a 32bit AKM on the ADC side.
@eman0828
3 жыл бұрын
@Snake Plissken Yes indeed which puts RME to shame that's over priced. MOTU hardware products are manufactured domestically in the US which is impressive to keep the cost down. *Virtex Enterprise* a Electronic Assembly Service based out in Austin, TX is MOTUs Assembly contractor that assembles its hardware.
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they save money on the build, which he shows in this video. Cheaper switches, board mounted pots and switches... that is why RME cost more. I use MOTU, and love it, and generally them. Most of their units worked right up to apples last Computer chips. Digital Performer is also great.
@Mheyos
5 жыл бұрын
To me the audio conversion sounds better on the RME, especially, high harmonics... But I have to admit that if we only discuss audio quality, there is not such a difference that changes the games for a personal recording purpose.
@raymondcharles5580
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this.. I couldn't tell the difference until the Mix at the end.. Winner MOTU hands down! Just ordered MOTU 1248
@tauttechminusmanagedmusic3778
5 жыл бұрын
All great, but all pretty ancient warmed over versions of previous boxes. These companies should make their tech jumps as big as their price jumps.
@vincentouwendijk3746
5 жыл бұрын
What a crazy difference...I have the Focusrite, but especially the difference of the first 2 instruments in depth and clarity between the 18i20 and the RME is so huge..
@mathewo9209
6 жыл бұрын
In all honesty, given that the differences are ever so slight when all the elements are put into the context of the mix, a slight 1.5-3.0db boost here and there would be an easy and cheaper solution. The RME sounded a little more rounded and full, especially in comparison to the Focusrite, it had more pleasing low-mids, but let's not forget one thing: Is it really a $1,650 difference in terms of the Focusrite vs RME? Clearly not.
@rockostiffredi4276
6 жыл бұрын
Excellent work, cheers, makes me glad I went RME also.Would be interesting to compare the RME to the UA Apollo.
@nicholasparis5281
6 жыл бұрын
Those are probably more on par with each other, but also would be interesting to see if we could hear anything between those two... Still.. with this video, it really shows how damn far cheap interfaces have come... M-BOX ONE anyone lol??
@savanaviolenta
4 жыл бұрын
RME always!!!
@STUnknown
2 жыл бұрын
Heh, if you think the MOTU sounds great at 44.1/48k, wait till you hear these chips at 192 like in my 16A...Scary good. Overall, MOTU is killing it with these latest converters/price. Warm, yummy huge audio. RME/Apogee- level sound, or possibly better depending on what you like- but priced more reasonably. It's a winner here over TB2/Win10- very rock solid and stable. Over USB though lookout- other devices on USB can cause issues on some systems. Thank you MOTU for bringing us this extreme capability without having to mortgage the house for it! Reaper/MOTU/Midas Venice F32- umm yeah I be havin lotsa fun!
@MagneticSon
2 жыл бұрын
Do you mind me asking how you have connected the Midas to the motu? I have a Venice f16 and thinking of getting a motu 828es but there are no stereo direct outs on the Venice so not sure how to connect all channels to the interface
@EckertAndras
3 жыл бұрын
I’m lucky because I can’t hear any differences. The difference oh the sound is much smaller than the differences of the prices.
@clickbaitpro
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Others are just justifying their purchase in the comments
@orangemaniabrother2232
2 жыл бұрын
I hear differences, barely though and it could be just solved by EQ anyway. I'm wanting the Motu to win this but I'm leaning to the RME, I want the cheaper one to win lol
@thesaxophonechannel4408
5 жыл бұрын
RME has the best transient clarity. But MOTU sounds nice and round. RME is great on detail. That's why I have them
@sevchyk
5 жыл бұрын
Do you have any issues with RME?
@theblowupdollsmusic
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this.
@maxmeadb
3 жыл бұрын
So, we're listening to the looper pedal's conversion?
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
But still able to compare between three. Yes, nice mics in a perfect studio, on a high quality playback is better, but the this is way more real word. And the same comparison gauge can used, for the most part. It's A B or C. Not what it started with.
@maxmeadb
2 жыл бұрын
@@morbidmanmusicI hear ya. I just feel the looper would degrade the audio far more than any of the interfaces would.
@mixsoft3037
Жыл бұрын
Great review! Thank you !
@sunahura
6 жыл бұрын
Love this review, great job.
@MadebyMiike
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!
@MichaelJHathaway
3 жыл бұрын
Two knobs on the UFX will lower the headphones. Also the Arc Usb can lower the headphones.
@Rusty511
6 жыл бұрын
Really glad I got the RME Babyface pro now
@savanaviolenta
5 жыл бұрын
me too, its sounds amazing.Im thinking of adding to my BFP the ADI 2 DAC FS,for final mixing and mastering amd ofcourse for Hi Fi listenting.Will be perfect combo.
@70mcnevin
3 жыл бұрын
RME is for those who can't spend time with inconsistent sound, buggy drivers, lack of continuous support and middling sound quality. I've never had anything as cheap as a Novice Level Focusrite. Well maybe a SoundBlaster almost 20 years ago, but I've had MOTU and I was seriously underwhelmed. UFX+ I currently have is phenomenal. It just always works. Every single time. All of the time. I dont get clicks, pops, dropouts or any other artifacts. You can record, mix and pre-master at pro levels with the UFX. You can probably do o.k. with the 828, but I dont trust MOTU and I especially cannot deal with their horrific GUI web based mixing software.
@eman0828
3 жыл бұрын
I have zero issues with my 828ES and M4. They all run flawlessly on both of my Windows 10 machines. I use the M4 on my Legion 5 laptop amd the 828ES on my custom build desktop machine. Not sure what you mean by RME having long term driver when MOTU does as well. MOTU made drivers for its original 828 firewire interface for 17 years straight that came out in year 2000.
@clickbaitpro
3 жыл бұрын
Focusrite is solid interface for the price with solid drivers. Ever tried Apollo twin mk2? Sounds more richer than UFX.
@eman0828
3 жыл бұрын
@@clickbaitpro Focusrite drivers are absolutely terrible esp on Windows. Owned the Focusrite Scarlett (1st), Focusrite Forte USB interface and the Focusrite Clarett 8pre all gave me driver issues. The Forte and Scarlett often gave me the BSOD.
@70mcnevin
3 жыл бұрын
@@clickbaitpro Focusrite? Uhh..not really. Tell yourself what you will, but the 999.99 Apollo Twin isn't in the same class as the $2800.00 RME UFX+. If the Apollo is "richer" , it's due to coloration. Not that it's bad, but it's definitely for bedroom recording, not for a dedicated studio.
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
MOTU drivers are rock solid. Sorry.
@behruzk194
6 жыл бұрын
great video, just one thing about the conclusion, how did you say that the motu wins and focusrite loses, with all the flaws and bugs being said about the motu? i'm going to buy a new interface this week and your review helped me to buy an 18i8 g2
@MadebyMiike
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Behruz, I think you missunderstood me. My personal overall winner is the RME - for the quality of it's hardware and software, but it's very expensive, while the Focusrite and the MOTU are both number 2. Motu has better features while the Focusrite has a more solid build. Soundwise they all come close, you definitely can achieve great results with a Scarlett 2nd gen! Just know that 2nd gen units work best starting from Windows 8.1 (they don't officially support Windows 8). Hope this helps, cheers, Mike!
@mentorlatifi6221
5 жыл бұрын
I like your conclusions ...I think focusrite is just great as fireface with a very tiny difference !
@savanaviolenta
4 жыл бұрын
Tiny? Believe me in person the difference is big in favour of RME.
@enewhuis
Жыл бұрын
Truth is in the hi-hats.
@miked5487
6 жыл бұрын
This is the best review ive found yet on the Motu 828es. Thanks alot dude!
@derrickchapman8504
4 жыл бұрын
It's no videos on how good the ad da converter is on focusrite interfaces
@bluesjeon
6 жыл бұрын
same peak level... but average rms power (loudness) rank is 1. rme 2. motu 3. focusrite... more loudness tend to sound good to our ear...
@rosewood2169
5 жыл бұрын
I want to know you honest opinion on the Motu 828es as far as drivers go and conversion and overall sound quality. And I really want to know what is the round trip latency for USB connection. I want to you this with my Mac pro 2012.
@rosewood2169
5 жыл бұрын
@Роман Владимирович Thanks for the feedback. I have the Motu 828es and I love it. Just trying to figure out how to rout my outputs in pro tools to the Motu Analysis Tools program that came with it. If you know or anyone know I would love the help.
@JuusoHoo
4 жыл бұрын
wow nice comparison and compacT! I hear very little difference! Listened with AKG K240! Wow, this gives me good aspect to buying!!! Thank You very much!
@JuusoHoo
4 жыл бұрын
@Rashid A ? can you advise?
@JuusoHoo
4 жыл бұрын
@Rashid A Imeant to ask: can you please tell where and how you heard the difference, please. 🙂
@JuusoHoo
4 жыл бұрын
@Rashid A well ok, you mean that subjectivity is in everyones ears&imagination. My over 10 000 Hz can be already partly gone, but I heard not much difference. Of course man must remember that KZitem there in between compresses audio too in a way we do not know exactly. And I have no way to test them them side by side alive.
@JuusoHoo
4 жыл бұрын
@Rashid A :D :D haha I have Amphion One18+Amp500 plus AKG studio HF´s, so enough good :D I dont hear any big difference. :D Thanks anyway!
@JuusoHoo
4 жыл бұрын
@Rashid A :D :D I you say so... I just have a working space full of old tube amps & theatre stuff, but good speakers. Anyway, I went for Clarett 8Prex/thunderbolt as I got one used in good shape. The 2nd hand RME´s suitable for my wallet around here are the 800 Firewires, and for the same money I got a TB2 connection. Rashid lets Keep on doing good stuff and enjoying music & Sounds!
@etmelody7597
4 жыл бұрын
WOW RME. almost no distortion.
@RubyRupendar
3 жыл бұрын
RME Sounds Boomy on sub frequency. Motu retains the kick bass relationship, sounds tight.. motu is the winner IMO.(Scarlett Misses some high-frequency content)
@Piplodocus
4 жыл бұрын
Good review, but isn't it somewhat undermined if you're using a looper pedal, as I'll eat my hat if a looper pedal has the same audio quality as these?
@Piplodocus
4 жыл бұрын
To be fair it's more undermined by my laptop line out output, as my 11 year old MOTU 828mk3 firewire isn't working anymore, hence me looking up interface reviews... >_
@BigFknRobots
4 жыл бұрын
I'm listening to it on an RME Babyface pro, and Mackie 824mk2 8" studio monitors... not hearing as much difference as I thought I would Then was like.. hang on, with the guitar, how is this being recorded? It's obviously the same take.... is it a splitter cable? what is going on? Then read about the looper pedal..... that would totally undermine the test!
@stephenpertesis6738
4 жыл бұрын
First hand, motu routing/mixer implementation/interface is a disaster. If you’re looking for t2 in order to monitor through daw, motu is extraneous $ for nearly unusable mixing functionality. Presonus on low end (since focusrite is no longer making this line) or RME at the high price point.
@CHOKSTARmusic
4 жыл бұрын
Please... make a test that can be translated well into youtube. Do this. Create a 48kHz sampling rate project. Generate a 13 kHz sin wave. Send it out of the PC to a analog gear. Overdrive it like crazy. Then bring it back in using the Preamps. You will then see, how good or bad a Pre Amp is. If you see anything between 13-20 kHz (which will be called foldbacks here) that means, the preamp doesn't have built in anti aliasing filters and are technically, not good.
@aslandunya9527
4 жыл бұрын
is the UFX+ pretty hard to learn? i plan to get it with 12mic to pair it with more preamps does the synhs going into the line inputs in the back needs more gain from preamps? or does the unit adjust the low level signal?
@MattLGreer
4 жыл бұрын
Where you getting the 12mic from? Just curious.
@user-cq9my5ju6k
4 жыл бұрын
RME far away
@bigmacmillerlite8775
4 жыл бұрын
Just scooped an UFX +. I need the drivers and converters.
@JL-vx2yt
3 жыл бұрын
I hear no difference. Should put the examples blind.
@nelsonnichols8467
3 жыл бұрын
I have a rosetta 200 AD converter. Is the quality of the AD conversation on these as good as the rosetta?
@eman0828
3 жыл бұрын
*White Sea Studio* acutally switched his Apogee Rosettas out for several MOTU AVB interfaces. He said the MOTUs sound better and very dyanmic sounding.
@mrddcass6540
3 жыл бұрын
The focusrite sounded like sht. Motu was way better and rme even better.
@kierenmoore3236
6 жыл бұрын
Good choice. RME make superb stuff. I have an older UFX - it has been rock solid and I feel no need to upgrade ...
@MadebyMiike
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Kieren. Yes, it seems everywhere you look, people choose RME interfaces! Have been playing back some plugin-heavy projects yesterday (which the Focusrite had problems with) - no cracking noises, no nothing! VERY happy with the RME!
@fenderplus
5 жыл бұрын
Hi ...What do you think about RME UFX+/II vs UA apollo X6........RME sounds very clean, UA sounds more like studio sound..... its like comparing a track running through Great river 32EQ vs API525 ......but RME totalmix is something that is hard to ignore. I am currently running a RME Digiface USB so was thinking connecting it to UA X6 as standalone converter via ADAT and stilll be able to use totalmix. So when in "mobile mode" I would just use the UA plugins so I dont have to carry the heavy gear with me and still get a decent sound out of it.
@mariorobles87
4 жыл бұрын
So after 10 years of mac I bought a PC. I never had issues with my fireface 802, but for my homestudio I was considering a Motu cause they are cheaper. The Fireface just sounds so good and the forums are filled with driver problems on pc with the motus. Since my PC will give me more flexibility I know the drivers will be a potential problem so I cannot afford anything that might cause a problem. In my case I'll stick around with Fireface
@EssZee323
4 жыл бұрын
Fireface 400 FTW. Never had a problem in over 10 + years with it. Rock solid drivers/performance/sound quality.
@thienanle
5 жыл бұрын
How about the latency of these Interfaces?
@philipp594
3 жыл бұрын
Did you check out the moto m2?
@KcDaugirdas
5 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed that you found the RME to be "less musical" or lacking mojo. For me, the MOTU has the most boring and "small" sound.
@metalfather8139
Жыл бұрын
Until you run out and into a piece of high end gear an back into these units you find the headroom and professional power of the mark of the unicorn (motu) focusrite cant match Until red series cost. Nobody does comparisons on headroom in an out
@LosFicosMusic
Жыл бұрын
Explain..
@taha_mirza
4 жыл бұрын
Which looper pedal? .. thank you
@MadebyMiike
4 жыл бұрын
TC Electronic Ditto Looper
@wafflestoast5228
6 жыл бұрын
Can't beat motu for the money. RME seems like it's in a slightly higher class, and focusrite is just entry/hobbyist level
@jfranko4000
5 жыл бұрын
You say that like it's true it's bullshit I bet your music sounds like shit with your 3,000 dollar preamp.
@metalfather8139
3 жыл бұрын
so the 2nd gen scarlet seriously converters are hardly a difference when heard on that motu? are you sure... anything that could hinder hearing a difference? because this would be good news for my wallet.
@Goodluck-boy
6 жыл бұрын
In contrast, the advantages of 828es are cheap!
@timeltdme4355
4 жыл бұрын
- Scarlett really sounds cheap in comparison to others (sounds under the blanket and not open enough to my ears) - I feel little difference listening to MOTU 828ES (i own this one) vs RME UFX II - especially for the price difference - listened on Beyerdynamic DT990 PRO on the positive side of 828ES: - Motu is the only one with USB class compliant audio => supports Linux (even not officially) - web remote => personal mixes from ANY device - RME does not catch here - features AVB audio transport (IP based) and has fully documented OSC control => no catch for RME either - direct Pad and 48V access from front panel (big timesaver and a must for me) - other great features you list in the video (like direct preamp outputs, monitor section,...) - btw you can remove the rack ears, and then it fits standard cabbin luggage for travelling ;) on the negative side of 828ES: - I will be buying external preamps for MOTU for sure (these are a bit noisy for some sources) - the DSP needs some work to compare to bigger digital mixing desks (but is already really useful for general monitoring duties) on the positive side of UFX II: - more transparent sound - AES connectivity for some live sound uses - second front panel MIDI for some people in the studio on the negative side of UFX II: - only expandable through ADAT (UFX+ with MADI and thunderbolt makes more sense, price / features wise) - no direct preamp control and headphone volume control - no IP based audio - no web remote in 2018 (only OSC to TotalMix - host computer dependent) (my) conclusion: - i would not waste money for anything cheaper than 828ES (now there is also 8-PRE ES) - main difference is universal connectivity and features needed for project or on location sound (828ES) vs. preamp / converter / driver package mounted in a rack (UFX II) - i know there will be even better interfaces from both of these companies in the future, looking forward
@AH20XX
4 жыл бұрын
Does the 8pre es have the Sabre32 chip?
@timeltdme4355
4 жыл бұрын
@@AH20XX yes, it is a successor of 828es, if is for sure mentioned also on motu's website
@boybianchi
2 жыл бұрын
Dude i'm sorry but an audio interface should have no mojo. If you mean 'vibe'' by mojo, then there is simply no audio interface with mojo existent. So i'd say that is not a negative thing about the RME, it's just inherit to audio interfaces in general.
@lastcall9998
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know what headphones or speakers you are using for you opinions, but with my HD820 through my 2i2 Scarlett the Motu sounds miles better than the RME, the RME has no bass here...
@lukabozic401
3 жыл бұрын
It's not about quantity or how much, it's about focus and detail. turn down the volume... listen at 1/4 on hd820.
@lastcall9998
3 жыл бұрын
@@lukabozic401 I indulged you. I still disagree. Scarlett sounds livelier but has the "worst" highs. Motu has the best highs, RME fcks up the highs (even though is very similar in highs to the Motu's) and sounds dead, even when it has "better" bass than Motu's, but not Focusrite's. If you like a dead sound and wrong highs (harsh) then by all means go RME.
@lukabozic401
3 жыл бұрын
@@lastcall9998 I am not saying which is better :D
@lastcall9998
3 жыл бұрын
@@lukabozic401 Touché! Cheers mate ;)
@savanaviolenta
3 жыл бұрын
@@lastcall9998 RME sound is flat by nature, and that's the purpose. You get a flat sound, unhyped bass and highs, so you can EQ the way you want it. RME make reference quality interfaces. You need a color? Add it trough external pre's and eq's and compression.
@fabiandeka4221
4 жыл бұрын
RME
@eman0828
4 жыл бұрын
This isn't a fair comparison because you are comparing a cheaper low end prosumer interface to two higher end pro interfaces. The 828ES is light years ahead on the cutting edge using the latest 32bit DACs same ones found in Apogee products. AVB and extremely low latency. I have one in my studio rig and it blows all of my past interfaces out of the water and extremely rock solid stable on Windows 10. For the money I think RME is pretty overpriced by today's standards compared to other offerings.
@CalvinBacon
4 жыл бұрын
exactly because of that difference this is a perfect comparison. I for one had no idea about the differences. Why would I bother upgrading from my scarlet 2i2? Does it really SOUND different? This video answered my question.
@CalvinBacon
4 жыл бұрын
You mention that the RME is pretty overpriced compared to other offerings - what would you recommend? I am a home studio producer and am slowly trying to get a professional-grade quality and am looking around to see what could potentially help to get that next bump in sound quality.
@eman0828
4 жыл бұрын
@@CalvinBacon any thing in the MOTU AVB Pro Audio line up or the M2 / M4. Best vaule for your money. Rock soild stable drivers and near Apogee like digital conversion.
@eman0828
4 жыл бұрын
@@CalvinBacon Yes and from my own experience owning the 1st gen Scarlett 18i20, Massive difference in sound quality. I used to own a Clarett 8pre but replaced it with a Motu 828ES. The Clarett wasn't designed to be used with outboard gear plus Focusrite discontinued the entire Clarett Thunderbolt range and abandoned driver support rendering it obsolete. I had to get rid of it. That's what separates the differences between Prosumer and Professional interfaces. Pro interfaces typically have much longer driver support as Motu still makes drivers just as long as Lynx and RME past 10+ years old.
@CalvinBacon
4 жыл бұрын
@@eman0828 thanks for the info, much appreciated!!! Guess I'll be upgrading soon then 🤟🏻
@andynonimuss6298
5 жыл бұрын
A lot of money for no Thunderbolt or network connection on the RME UFX II. Controlling software is also an important consideration in buying an audio interface and clearly, the MOTU crushes the other two in the software category. You also did not mention the MOTU 828es ability to be used as a surround sound controller. Didn't seem like a fair review, as a lot of important features on the MOTU seemed to be purposely left out. One last thing, don't forget that MOTU has been an innovative company for a long time. They created the world's first FireWire audio interface in 1999.
@MadebyMiike
5 жыл бұрын
In my instance (recording with a 2-year old laptop) the browser based MOTU software was quiet laggy. Way slower than the Focusrite and RME software. Nothing was left out on purpose, and I recommend all three of them depending on your budget.
@beeisbad
5 жыл бұрын
@@MadebyMiike The Focusrite is solid.... but it shouldn't even be compared to EITHER of these interfaces. And for $2,200 interface, the RME using traditional old school USB and firewire is some straight prehistoric Fred Flinstone type shit, bro. it's damn near 2020...are you kidding me? smh
@adamthomas1246
4 жыл бұрын
RME...geez
@ryanshook8284
3 жыл бұрын
Put Audient into this mix pls
@clickbaitpro
3 жыл бұрын
With their midicore da converters but excellent ad converters
@ryanshook8284
3 жыл бұрын
@@clickbaitpro Whats midicore?
@softdigital
5 жыл бұрын
MOTU 828es IS MORE NATURAL SOUND
@Hammerman48
2 жыл бұрын
On my Audio Technical headphones there is no real difference……
@michaelrice6620
2 жыл бұрын
U need new headphones haha
@Hammerman48
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrice6620 New ears more like! Lol
@clxma
2 жыл бұрын
there is of course a difference, but the focusrite holds up pretty well imo. it sounds a little more muffled and the transients arent as clear on the focusrite. but the difference is not that big of a deal imo.
@michaelrice6620
2 жыл бұрын
@@clxma true! The focusrite is not bad at all, for the most part when were talking about interfaces theres not going to be to much if a difference. But when your doing this for a while and searching for that top notch quality do you really want to hear a muffled less detailed sound coming out of your converters?.. i would say if your recording, especially a band, the focusrite would be great and not bad at all. Not the best but definitely doable.
@betteroffdead79
2 жыл бұрын
youtube quality does not help
@podespault
4 жыл бұрын
you should never have your monitors turned on before you turn on anything else, it should always be last and first to be turned off
@juancarlosmartindelcampo
6 жыл бұрын
In my experience whit MOTU , no problems with Hardware ,they are Rock Solid , and in Mac the Drivers are the best. The opposite happened to me with RME , the buttons were not solid, and the DSP does not sound as good as in MOTU , I still have a MOTU Ultralite mk1 working fine , and my others MOTU works perfectly. Focusrite hardware are very good too
@VoiceoverSc66
6 жыл бұрын
I have the 828es and pleased to say that it is awesome! Highly recommended :)
@lovemusic7417
3 жыл бұрын
You use with thunderbolt or Usb ?
@TruenorthmtGod
3 жыл бұрын
Me 2 the bomb he got a bad one because everything he said mines don’t do. He sounds German and pro RME. Good unit but so is 828es plus a lot cheaper.
@steviecrippsvoiceoveraudio9920
3 жыл бұрын
@@lovemusic7417 I use with thunderbolt. I have had it since they were released and it hasn’t missed a beat!
@lauritarkiainen1858
3 жыл бұрын
828x is also great box.
@nicholasparis5281
6 жыл бұрын
I honestly heard (with my FLAT RESPONSE AT phones) the quality go in the same order you demoed them - they all are totally acceptable, and really, price and what features... BUT sonically.. I actually heard a much more pronounced low end and wider stereo spectrum in the motu much more apparently compared to the Focusrite (along with the mid that everyone else seemed to also notice).. I think the RME somehow sounded like it managed to be a cross between colored and transparent.. maybe that "colored" vibe I'm getting is coming from the larger, apparently more rounder tone from the RME, respectively? (I don't have a ton of experience with Vintage Valves - you know the variable standard - i.e. since all valve pre's are different units every time you switch one on!).. But I've heard a lot of people on the PC side of the desk saying MOTU's software is about as flimsy as the hardware that you pointed out.. I own an Apogee Duet, and Behringer UMC-404HD (it's actually a great 2nd interface for a bedroom home studio.. don't knock it.. they've stepped their game way up at Behringer!), but I'm in the market for maybe Presonus1818, or Motu 828mk3, or the 18i20 from focusrite... and I'm a little disappointed in that quality of the buttons and knobs you point out on the motu... I think I'm going to pick one up if I can score it for cheap, so hopefully it's not already broken from only have been "GENTLY USED IN A SMOKE FREE STUDIO" LOL...
@defrigge
4 жыл бұрын
First of all: thanks for testing! 828ES is both my sound and functionality favorite after a lot of comparison and everyday use, for many reasons. I use it with Neumann nearfields and AKG K812 headphones and prefer the MOTU sound quality A LOT above that of the Focusrite I used before. The RME is fine as well, but I still would prefer the MOTU, even if they had the same price. Using a Microkorg among other keyboards myself, I doubt it's the most convincing source as reference for a comparison. A Kronos, or a quality synth like the Prophet 6 would have shed more light on the slight sound/sound quality differences between the cards IMO.
@gerbenzondervan3331
4 жыл бұрын
RME ff400 still supported after 16 years after the release!!! Name me one company that does so...
@ImagineRecordings
4 жыл бұрын
MOTU still supports their 828 and 896 from 2002. But yeah, I _do_ wish more companies still supported their older stuff the way that RME and MOTU do.
@eman0828
3 жыл бұрын
@@ImagineRecordings The 828 acutally came out in year 2000 that was supported 17 consecutive years. It was the worlds first firewire interface ever. That's a big selling point long term driver support that I switched from Focusrite to MOTU.
@ImagineRecordings
3 жыл бұрын
@@eman0828 Agreed. My poorly worded initial comment was in reference to the 896 being from 2002, whereas the 828 is from 2000, as you noted. :) Our main studio interface(s) at the moment are the 828x, which is a _great_ unit! Now looking into the MOTU 1248, mostly for on-screen matrix routing feature and ESS Sabre32 Ultra DAC. Definitely becoming a "MOTU guy" through and through. Love their designs, innovation, support policies, and company practices (Made in USA, Warranties, etc). Good stuff!
@eman0828
3 жыл бұрын
@@ImagineRecordings Same. I have the 828ES as my main workhorse studio interface that's housed in my Argosy console desk full of analog outboard. I also have the MOTU M4 for my mobile rig. The drivers for both units are some of the most rock solid stable drivers on Windows ever compared to a number of interfaces I've used over the years. Even the latency is way lower than Focusrite. I'm use to sequence on hardware keyboards and an MPC and man soon as I hooked up my Presonus Atom drum Pad controller and trigger some drum samples in Studio One, it littery felt like I was still using my hardware MPC Drum Machine with no noticable latency even at 128 sample buffer setting. David Gnozzi from MixBusTV was the one that sold me on to MOTU after watching his reviews. I might snag a 16A as my outboard expands more. I can hook both the AVB interfaces up with single ethernet cable similar to Focusrites RedNet dante interfaces.
@ImagineRecordings
3 жыл бұрын
@@eman0828 Awesome setup, Eman! We're really loving the hybrid studio, as well. I love that the on-screen matrix routing in the newer MOTU units effectively turns outboard/hardware racks (Pres, EQs, Comps, Reverb, etc) into basically real world "plugins" in terms of how they interact with the DAW. The MOTU matrix routing handles the signal path, and all we have to do is click what path we want on the individual channel in the DAW. While, this only allows for one hardware instance to be used at a time vs near infinite repeatability with a software plugin, I find it is very, very useful when trying to shape a sound with hardware after being recorded. Example: Record a vocal direct to interface to DAW and then afterward, use the matrix routing to try that vocal in different hardware preamps in the studio. When you find the one you like, press record and re-amp the vocal through the hardware however you like. I hope that all made sense. Haha.
@IliasPanteliasGR
4 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I heard MOTU much more open and analytical than the other two... RME was very close to Scarlett soundwise.
@mukwanatimothy6426
2 жыл бұрын
Try to put their a Claret instead of scarlet and see the difference
@michael_emm
4 жыл бұрын
I've been using MOTU for years. I've had an 828x and I currently own the es and haven't ran into issues that you have. Yes I understand these are opinions. I've had no issues w the connection. For interfaces your supposed to connect directly to your host. Not through a hub. I'm running thunderbolt 2. As far as a the click noise, run your main output to a monitor controller so you don't hear clicks, or take your headphones out of the matrix. Just my opinion.
@kristins1985
6 жыл бұрын
I got my Motu 828es today and I am very pleased with it. In contrast to the Video, it doesn't do any noise at all when turning on or off. The build quality is also top notch, I cannot think of anything I would like to change :)
@MadebyMiike
6 жыл бұрын
You got your Motu today, your are happy and yet here you are watching a comparison video? Sorry, something sounds off about that.
@kristins1985
6 жыл бұрын
@@MadebyMiike nope, I watched your video before and bought it anyway. I'm glad I did it :) just came back here to tell others that your issues are not common to all units. :)
@andynonimuss6298
5 жыл бұрын
Just ignore his review. He trashes the MOTU and Focusrite and calls them toys. He doesn't like the MOTU only because he didn't like the feel of an XLR input clip and a little bit of dust on the front panel. Wow! Seriously? Dust? Let's review a product based on some specs of dust we don't like because that makes sense. And he didn't even call MOTU customer service in an attempt to properly diagnose the noise issue to see if it was a defective unit or a misconfiguration issue in his computer setup. Clearly, he was all emotional about the RME and had no intention of creating a fair review of the other two products.
@allanjoles3432
4 жыл бұрын
I have an old MOTU 896 Firewire unit that has served me well for years. No, it doesn't have the latest in processors etc but for my application, thats not necessary, It has worked day in day out for at least 10 - 12 years except for about a year ago it wouldn't fire up, I contacted MOTU to see if it could be repaired for a reasonable cost or if I would have to go shopping. They have an excellent service program that even covers old, out of warranty products. For $100. they promptly sent me a refurbished unit that looks brand new and runs like a champ.
@eman0828
4 жыл бұрын
Motu has the best out of warranty program. Very hard to better. Money well spent that offers great vaule for the money.
@eman0828
4 жыл бұрын
Other manufacturers you would be spending and arm and a Leg in repairs past the warranty.
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
Now do the black lion mods... wow wow wow.
@snapascrew
4 жыл бұрын
1:23 microkorg focusrite 1:33 microkorg motu 1:42 microkorg rme 2:03 Strat focusrite 2:12 Strat motu 2:21 Strat rme 2:42 Les Paul focusrite 2:52 Les Paul motu 3:01 Les Paul rme
@DynamixAudio
6 жыл бұрын
If someone say how he can hear the difference I will slap him in the face... :)
@heavenwayrecordingmedia4356
6 жыл бұрын
hahaha
@ermharriable
6 жыл бұрын
I can ALL DAY! What are you listening on?
@BojanBojovic
6 жыл бұрын
No, you can not. This is not a blind test, you are subjective. If you want I will prepare for you a blind test out of this material so we can test do you hear it really or just imagining.
@ermharriable
6 жыл бұрын
Bojan Bojovic - funny you suggest it as being “subjective”. Isnt that the point? Anyways, sure set up your so called “real” test and prove me wrong.
@BojanBojovic
6 жыл бұрын
@@ermharriable No, the point is objectivity. Reality. What you and I personally feel and think we great and see is irrelevant, at least in this case.
@MikeLuke
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison, thanks for the upload. The biggest and most obvious jump is of course the one from the Focusrite to the Motu. So I was more interested to hear the difference between the Motu and the RME. What I've heard (using my open-back AKG K702 headphones): - The RME sounds "cleaner" with more clarity in the upper mids and highs. - The Motu adds a layer of warmth and glue and "Mojo", both in the low end and high end. The transients in the low end sound softer on the edges. - Having that said, the RME for me seems to be the more honest interface which adds no coloring whatsoever. That's a personal preference in the end, I guess. But adding the build quality and the stable drivers, the RME is the winner for me here.
@facundoschenberger99
5 жыл бұрын
I think what you want to show in the video is that you do not need to spend all the money to sound professional. Sometimes we make excuses that with such a thing we would sound better, and the problem is ourselves. greetings
@MadebyMiike
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, plus: we live in such great times that even low budget equipment sounds great! Thanks for your reply!
@balldip
3 жыл бұрын
UFX+ > all interfaces. Change my mind
@vonbleak101
4 жыл бұрын
If you were using a looper to feed the units then its all line or instrument level going in so you are not really testing the preamps...
@infindebula
4 жыл бұрын
Would the audio results have been different going through the TRS line inputs on each interface rather than the preamps? Personally I expect to seldom use the mic preamps on my interface, as I don't want their coloration. I don't need even 15 dB of gain, since I'll always be coming from an external mixer (as I would expect most professionals to do as well)
@dire4048
3 жыл бұрын
Bought the RME 802!
@gezor20
3 жыл бұрын
i heard a huge difference - more than I had actually anticipated
@PrathamBhatia
4 жыл бұрын
East or West, Motu is the best.
@paravosotrosjugadores1784
4 жыл бұрын
Para mi. 1 Motu 2 Rme 3 Focusrite
@Almada78
4 жыл бұрын
dont now about that !!!!
@musicproducer9952
4 жыл бұрын
@@Almada78 Motu has far better converters. Same ones found in Apogees. RME hardware is dated that's lagging behind. The converters haven't been changed at all. Still the same converters from 10 years ago.
@h0ll0wm9n
4 жыл бұрын
RME is best sound, but Focusrite is WAYYYY less $$.
@LohPro
6 жыл бұрын
Obviously, we all like to save some cash when we can, but when looking at interfaces, RME really sounds like it's worth it. One RME interface VS many different interfaces over the years. I'm waiting for a new "mid-range" RME unit, maybe an updated UC/UCX. Mainly because of the drivers & like you said, all RME have good resale value. Appreciate the shootout here! A+
@MadebyMiike
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, appreciate it!
@johnnyparker2128
2 жыл бұрын
I want to upgrade from a Focusrite Saffire Pro so that I can utilize my Thunderbolt port but there are not too many affordable rack-mounted Thunderbolt interfaces other than the MOTU 828es. Bummer.
@brosiffkev8320
4 жыл бұрын
I have a 828es and it’s so awesome !
@ремдигга-в7щ
2 жыл бұрын
RME навсегда !! 🥰
@ssmith2019
10 ай бұрын
Cheers ! The RME was clearer and deeper, with better dynamic punch ! the difference was easily noticed !😀
@mikeleftystrat
6 жыл бұрын
Great Review, My personal experience with the MOTU AVB interfaces,I have a 16A,1248 and the 828x.What is the big advancement over all the interfaces is the AVB Streams with multiple computers and AVB interfaces.I can use my Mac Book Pro 2013 with an 828x,using the (16) channels of ADAT I/O running any software say Komplete,.Route as many Instruments to separate mixer channels to the 16A or 1248 ADAT I/O.I Run Studio One or Logic on My 2013 MAC Tower with the 16A and 1248 via Thunder Bolt yielding a total of 128 AVB streams to my Software.My 16A, i run a mixer config.via Triton Studio,Roland XP 60,Roland Fantom 8,Korg Kronos,Roland Integra 7,Alesis QSR Rack and,Yamaha Motif Rack XS.All these analog sounds can be sent to the Mac Pro running the DAW software via AVB.Control all the Midi and Sync via MOTU Midi Express XT.I use 2 Express XT's, too much Equipment to list.Last i can run all the analog outputs to my SPL Mix Dream for 16 channels of analog summing,this is priceless i can add another summing mixer if needed.On the RME you get 8 outs with 2 you have to use for Monitor Playback.On the MOTU's an awesome 8 outs with 2 dedicated Monitor Outs.The MOTU AVB Interfaces have completely integrated my growth of my equipment over 40yrs.And at the price,it was a no brainer for me.All the other interfaces are great depending your studio size and needs.I did a lot of research on interfaces and the MOTU Series are the only out there "my opinion" that's trying to suffice to the broad range of studio applications.The MOTU AVB Discovery App with its Routing capability surpasses any thing out there on the market.The 828es was just released and i was floored, this model is so advanced for the price.This interface can be used as a 5.1 surround sound interface. A light bulb went off and said"I can use this with my Mackie Big Knob for more monitor support and an interface for my 003 control surface if needed. Finally to add, i purchased an Antelope Audio Orion32+,$3000.00. Pristine converters,for the sound out of the box untouchable. Were it failed was the routing software.For the bugs,i needs a can of RAID.Back to Sweet Water it went..It's nowhere worth that price. Can't stand up against the MOTU Discovery software or RME Total Mix software. Now, after listing to those great converters your ears will adjust and you will not notice the difference in quality of sound if you purchase something else with just as good quality converters.Don't let high end prices suck you end, i've learned. I just ordered an 828es to complete my arsenal of interfaces. My choice of Interfaces,Hands Down MOTU AVB. You will not know what your missing until you purchase one!
@johnlocopalmer
6 жыл бұрын
And just to add to your positive feedback about 828es, here are some measurements that I did on line I/O at 48kHz and 96kHz that absolutely reflect how linear is the frequency response of its line inputs and outputs: 48kHz/24 bit FR: monosnap.com/image/upWAOj3YyQY3a2m8R5V8Y75rjERQrA.png 96kHz/24 bit FR: monosnap.com/image/oICP7AKzKRXbW4PYTsXotCoGZtgJjG.png More at www.gearslutz.com/board/showpost.php?p=13261862&postcount=46 No, I don't work for MOTU. But I did some research and eventually bought 828es for myself and I don't regret it. Flawless USB/optical operation, excellent ADC/DAC.
@MrBeblis
6 жыл бұрын
RME is double the price of the motu
@elijahmant2855
11 ай бұрын
Good an interesting review. The results were just as I expected. But the Focusrite did surprise me though. It kept up, considering it being a budget sound and interface. I liked your choice of test. Thanks, Man.
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