Good luck getting a straight answer out of Rob Bell. He's the king of obfuscation.
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
Rob did a brilliant job.
@rosemarynew2173
3 ай бұрын
I have yet to find him answering a straight question with a straight answer. As a result, I don't trust him.
@bohofoto6929
3 ай бұрын
He was answering but they were not connecting. Andrew was honed in on the act itself. Rob was describing the role he sees gay people in the church … in committed relationships, not just having sex in temples, etc
@practicaldads9749
8 күн бұрын
This is sad 😢 Rob can't express his position straight
@FaithandWhatever
8 жыл бұрын
Really grateful that they were able to have a spirited exchange. Regardless of where one lands on the issue, to be able to dialogue openly, genuinely while simultaneously disagreeing, sharply, is pretty nice to see.
@cdavediamond
5 жыл бұрын
It is odd that this issue gets to be such a dividing line. The scripture makes me feel that it is sin. Yet personally I'm far more offended by liars than gays. It is an easy sin to pick on for those ofus not tempted of it.
@scottyrossswingler
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, both of these men model how to respectfully dialogue and disagree within a Christian brotherhood. Thankful for their spirits.
@TheYokotta
7 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell is defending the reason why people don't want to be part of the church . He even called it " bullshit" . Did Jesus preached the Gospel of how to be part of a church or repent of sin and your sins will be forgiven ? This are 2 different things . He wants to build a church , not to call people to repent and turn away from their sin. I'm very impressed on how much sympathy is showed to people rather than a crucified, suffering Jesus on the cross to make a way for you to get to His Father? How can you show more empathy with people rather than your Creator. If the Bible says it is abomination for me to lie , doesn't matter if was said 2000 years ago.
@ronnievargas1826
6 жыл бұрын
If you notice Rob Bell talks a lot about culture and time we live in. This is a huge issue right now. We live in a time where Pastors are striving for church growth. In order to grow you must stay relevant. However so many Pastors are sacrificing biblical integrity in the name of relevance. God is timeless! It is possible to be relevant and still speak the truth! Sin is real and must be addressed but under the covering of love!
@justinmcnaughton3016
Ай бұрын
Exactly. He's for the world not God
@mr.berimbolo827
Ай бұрын
What brought you to this video? I’m genuinely curious because you’re the most recent comment I see here.
@richardfila
9 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell is so evasive and underhand ... Wriggling around like a serpent at every presentation of clear reality. The last kind of person I'd ever look to for sound teaching. Buyer beware!!
@JustinJurazick
9 жыл бұрын
+Richard Fila (費睿哲) yeah? well, your fat....so there, I won the argument
@theindypoolshooter
8 жыл бұрын
+Richard Fila (費睿哲) It's the doctrine of demons. Only the devil can slide around the corners like that
@draft1643
8 жыл бұрын
+Richard Fila (費睿哲) We all have "off" days but this was my first exposure to Rob Bell and suffice it to say I'm not compelled to investigate him further. Also, the hair and the suit, Rob, the hair and the suit.
@elizabethryan2217
5 ай бұрын
@@draft1643ooooh .. no need to go low and personal.
@KingdomCitizen1988
2 жыл бұрын
I like Rob Bell, I think he has raised some important points and questions for the Christian faith. I think he has lost his way in this area (as we all can). He looks uneasy here and has very little scripture to stand on. Andrew Wilson is preaching a new life in/through Christ (regeneration), Rob is preaching monogamy and commitment, but also a whole lot of permissiveness. It really doesn't call people to a higher level of living.
@glennsimonsen8421
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Rob is uneasy and his eyes tell us he is afraid of these questions.
@KingdomCitizen1988
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Rob even views the Bible in the same way these other men do anymore. His book "What is the Bible" is a good example of his most recent thinking. Thus the argument probably is people speaking two different languages.
@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495
5 жыл бұрын
This discussion is very telling. It is a modern discussion in the truest sense of the word. Teasing out divine conception on this matter has become increasingly difficult for true intellectuals that have an honest commitment to follow Christ. Why? Because culture matters. It always has. I am not gay. I am a man who has been married for three decades. I was a virgin when I got married. I did what I was taught by my spiritual leaders in the body of Christ. They told me and showed me scriptures to support what they taught me. Here’s where culture comes in: there are three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. My example is this: when did polygamy become not ok? The Old Testament never condemns it, and we know it condemns a lot of sexual behavior. The New Testament never explicitly condemns it. One wife for a Bishop is mentioned, Jesus references Adam and Eve as God’s original format but does not openly condemn having more than one wife nor does he openly condemn same sex relations. Why not? It would be easy to do and we are referenced as spiritually slow like sheep who are easily misguided. Why not make things more straight forward for the slow among us? The most logical reason is that the modern questions we are asking today were not culturally relevant to the audience he was addressing at the time. Paul spent much of his ministry addressing cultural quagmires in the early gentile churches. Why? Because there were a lot of quagmires. They needed a true scholar to deal with these things and Paul was uniquely qualified. What I’m saying is this: marrying more than one woman at a time is illegal in America today but if that changed tomorrow the body of Christ would be in a quagmire theologically because there is no explicit text condemning it ever. The church would not just accept this change without question. We all know this. Why? Because the body of Christ has it’s own culture outside of the secular world and other world religions. That in the end is what these two men of faith are actually wrestling with. The secular worldview or the church traditional worldview are just intellectual hats they are putting on or taking off. None of us follow the strict law codes or the exact cultural behaviors referenced in the New Testament. We pick and choose. If we didn’t women would be silent in all Christian churches, none of the women would be wearing any make up or pants, and slavery would still be okay in America. According to Paul’s letters that’s the way it should be. Times change and that change is cultural. Love God with all you are, love your neighbor as you love yourself and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.
@darisesanker6022
Жыл бұрын
Amen and Amen🎉
@alyssacontreras974
Жыл бұрын
Amen ❤
@YaksoHD
10 ай бұрын
Then you would specifically have to deny that the Holy Spirit was leading the Apostles in truth and away from error and would continue to throughout the ages, John 14:26, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." and you would have to go further with not only denying that promise of Christ but the words of St. John when it comes to the Holy Spirit teaching us, 1 John 2:27, "As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him." You specifically would have to deny these since as we go on we know that the Holy Spirit came upon St. Paul and Jesus even specifically teaches on the sermons of the mount in Matt 5:18, "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished." and to accept that things are different because culture has changed which seems to be the point of your argumentation you would once again have to deny St. Paul's teaching again on not conforming to the world in Romans 12:2, "Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Saying that because we live in different times God has changed his mind on something He said was sin is changing God, it's literally stating a fact on God without saying anything about God. The thing that would be implied by such a conclusion would be "God was wrong or God isn't perfect" I would argue to the complete contrary and even go further and say that He, Jesus specifically put a Church on earth for the salvation of men that would be lead by His promises to St. Peter, in Matt 16:17-19, "And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” This would point to the Catholic Church, which has always followed the Biblical instructions unlike common Christians of today, and all the evidence points to the Catholic Church being the legitimate Church Jesus Christ put upon earth with not just Scripture but with history and physical miracles that cannot be explained by science today. Also to suggest that it is not immoral for a man to be with a man is contrary to everything I have put forward and what all the Ancient Churches have taught and never wavered on. This is what happens when we get people who don't follow the Church God specifically put on earth, we have to start rejecting the teachings of not only the Apostles but of Jesus and imply that God was wrong or not perfect. This is a deception of the devil, plain and simple. I have eyes to see and it is clear to me, it's clear to the Apostles and Jesus, and it's clear to His Church. Also you imply that nowhere in the New Testament doesn't teach Polyamory but I would argue it is implied especially since we do not see this in the early Church which if you follow the Scriptures they were lead by the Holy Spirit and still are today, how do I get this inference you may ask? In Gen 2:24, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Now we know that Adam only had Eve in the garden, God made it that way and I don't see how multiple people could become one flesh, it does not make sense and I would say Jesus implies this Himself in Matt 19:4-6, "He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”" Jesus was speaking on how God allowed them to do things the way there weren't supposed to be because of their hardness of hearts, it wasn't suppose to be that way it was suppose to be the way God originally made it, one man and one women come to be one flesh literally when they have children which is the commandment of God in Gen 1:28, "And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”" you cannot not fulfill this commandment and bring glory to God while in a man on man or women on women relationship, it is actually impossible for them to become one flesh the way God made it to be so it is in direct opposition to God and Jesus never refuted Lev 20:13, "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." He actually affirms it in Matt 5:18 as I have already shown above. I can only agree to "Love God with all you are, love your neighbor as you love yourself." we are called to direct people out of sin and error those of us that are living in truth however with the Holy Spirit and from your implication it seems you have conformed to the world and "that's just the way things are" when in many different places it is condemned to "be a friend of the world" 1 John 2:15, "You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." and in James 4:4, "You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." James 1:27, "Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world." and the worst in my opinion for supporting this world view, 1 John 5:19, "We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one." Do not conform to this world and the way the world wants things to be, it is of the devil as he has domain of the world which is another Biblical teaching but I think I have made my point quite clear that even purpose the rhetoric you have written is putting you at enmity with God and I hope you repent from it and actually accept the Holy Spirit and His teachings. My prayers go out for you.
@artbytherase547
8 ай бұрын
Amen 🙏
@bohofoto6929
3 ай бұрын
Well said
@tomastorrens7972
7 жыл бұрын
Fascinating discussion. I think people are being a little hard on Rob here. He's uncomfortable because he's kinda being two-wayed by people who disagree with him. Not every question deserves a yes/no answer. Often people set you up in simple traps with simple black/white questions, or the questions themselves simplify reality. It's legitimate to question the foundation of a question. I'm not saying I thin Rob is perfect here. I think it's a searching conversation about a really thorny problem, that intelligent, well-intentioned men conduct well.
@tomastorrens7972
7 жыл бұрын
most frustrating though that we don't see the answer to the perfectly fundamental and essential question asked by Andrew at the end - actually made me thumb-down the video in the end because it was just a tease and cut off at the most critical moment
@darisesanker6022
Жыл бұрын
Most matters live in the Gray. Not black and white
@rpicchini3
9 ай бұрын
Really well said.
@tehsnoman
9 жыл бұрын
Are any of you praying for Rob Bell? Do you want to see him redeemed from his uncertainty? Do you love him like Christ loved you? If not, then don't assume that you won't be judged for not seeking after the one lost sheep like your Father does. Be ... Like... Christ. Christ didn't come to judge the world, He came to save it. How are you reflecting that example?
@susandierlam4772
2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed.
@maxpyane3456
2 жыл бұрын
The difference is rob knows better And should be judged
@scob9200
9 жыл бұрын
I can show Rob specific scripture which definitively claims homosexuality to be an abomination to God. Can he show me scripture which says God is now ok with homosexuality?
@onedangerousmanreacts
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I think the Bible is pretty clear that it is an abomination
@JaceBantfos
5 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell argues on a higher emotional level, making his points very clear in the first few minutes and showing for the rest of the interview how narrow stereotyped thinking is AND that it has nothing to do with the gospel of jesus, it might even be the opposite. so without playing along, he explains his standpoint in depth and says between the lines, that Andrew is misguided and thinking on such a low emotional level is in fact the problem why so many people want nothing to do with church in general correct me if I'm wrong
@djlancaster1
5 жыл бұрын
You're wrong
@ExKingFelix
2 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong.
@scottgodlewski306
7 ай бұрын
Rob Bell has been the only person who has been able to make me think I might be able to be Christian. This dude is fascinating.
@jaynehardingham2661
4 жыл бұрын
God's word never changes, just because the world view changes to suit modern times. You are being deceived
@run2yah4salvation35
3 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@joshuakohlmann9731
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. God's word is constantly being adapted and reinterpreted as society progresses. If it wasn't, we'd still be performing human sacrifices.
@tommygrinie8904
3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuakohlmann9731 Gods word does not evolve, it still means what it meant when it was written years ago.... if I leave a letter to my unborn children that says “I used to drive a red truck” no one can say what I meant was actually a blue car, even if In the year 2500 red means blue and car means truck, the language changed but what I meant when I wrote the letter can’t change.....
@SheikhStevesChannel
3 жыл бұрын
Amen x2
@bobbeason3299
3 жыл бұрын
@@tommygrinie8904 What people understand to be “ drive” and “truck” 2000 years could be drastically different from what you intend those words to mean today. Additional study of the 20th and 21st century would be required for a better understanding.
@MV-fj3fd
3 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell elevates his experience above the bible. "Doesn't God get to decide that?" Andrew asks. YES ROB HE DOES!
@amberandrews7829
2 жыл бұрын
He’s interpreting the Bible as a season which is what we all do isn’t it
@JesusChristizking
2 жыл бұрын
That idolatry and rebellion which is witchcraft when you put your belief above God
@alexwr
Жыл бұрын
@@amberandrews7829 There are different ways of interpreting. Exegesis is interpreting the Bible based on the words that are there and the context in which they are written. Eisegesis is interpreting the Bible through different worldviews. While you can do both, the only one that actually leads to answer the question "what does God say/think about 'X' issue?" is exegesis. Applying our modern worldview and sensibilities like Rob Bell is incapable of coming to any semblance of truth, because everything now comes down to interpretation. We should only evaluate a culture's idea of morality through God's word, we should never evaluate God's word through a culture's idea of morality because God is unchanging. He's not going to suddenly change his mind about what is and isn't considered sinful. In the Bible God has shown to work in people's lives and various cultures despite their sin, that does not mean he condones everything each of those people and cultures have done.
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
God does not equal Bible. God is within everyone, and most people are unaware, and this Universal Intelligence is quite clear. This world abounds with variety, and we homosexuals are part of that variety. Your Christian theology has deceived your better judgement. It's people like you who will be among the goats.
@AuxentiusZ
10 жыл бұрын
We Christians need our own "It gets better" videos, showcasing how as believers we've struggled with sin and conquered it, or at least overcome it. If we ever think we're alone struggling with a sin, or that others have never gone through what we're going through, we can be certain there are believers all over the world who share our struggles, our victories, and even our defeats. No matter what you're dealing with in your life, please remember you're not alone. You have millions of brothers and sisters ready to support and love you, no matter what you're dealing with and no matter how unacceptable you feel you are. We're in this together!
@dafflad1
Жыл бұрын
Acts 17:28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
@tonymercer7759
Жыл бұрын
Far better to trust in God for our support and comfort .Proverbs 3.5-6
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
Homosexuality is NOT a sin. To say so is to misunderstand Scripture.
@YaksoHD
10 ай бұрын
@@daodejing81 Do not lie, that is a sin, just like practicing homosexuality. I hope that my previous writing convicts you as you are completely wrong. "Then you would specifically have to deny that the Holy Spirit was leading the Apostles in truth and away from error and would continue to throughout the ages, John 14:26, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." and you would have to go further with not only denying that promise of Christ but the words of St. John when it comes to the Holy Spirit teaching us, 1 John 2:27, "As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him." You specifically would have to deny these since as we go on we know that the Holy Spirit came upon St. Paul and Jesus even specifically teaches on the sermons of the mount in Matt 5:18, "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished." and to accept that things are different because culture has changed which seems to be the point of your argumentation you would once again have to deny St. Paul's teaching again on not conforming to the world in Romans 12:2, "Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Saying that because we live in different times God has changed his mind on something He said was sin is changing God, it's literally stating a fact on God without saying anything about God. The thing that would be implied by such a conclusion would be "God was wrong or God isn't perfect" I would argue to the complete contrary and even go further and say that He, Jesus specifically put a Church on earth for the salvation of men that would be lead by His promises to St. Peter, in Matt 16:17-19, "And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” This would point to the Catholic Church, which has always followed the Biblical instructions unlike common Christians of today, and all the evidence points to the Catholic Church being the legitimate Church Jesus Christ put upon earth with not just Scripture but with history and physical miracles that cannot be explained by science today. Also to suggest that it is not immoral for a man to be with a man is contrary to everything I have put forward and what all the Ancient Churches have taught and never wavered on. This is what happens when we get people who don't follow the Church God specifically put on earth, we have to start rejecting the teachings of not only the Apostles but of Jesus and imply that God was wrong or not perfect. This is a deception of the devil, plain and simple. I have eyes to see and it is clear to me, it's clear to the Apostles and Jesus, and it's clear to His Church. Also you imply that nowhere in the New Testament doesn't teach Polyamory but I would argue it is implied especially since we do not see this in the early Church which if you follow the Scriptures they were lead by the Holy Spirit and still are today, how do I get this inference you may ask? In Gen 2:24, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Now we know that Adam only had Eve in the garden, God made it that way and I don't see how multiple people could become one flesh, it does not make sense and I would say Jesus implies this Himself in Matt 19:4-6, "He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”" Jesus was speaking on how God allowed them to do things the way there weren't supposed to be because of their hardness of hearts, it wasn't suppose to be that way it was suppose to be the way God originally made it, one man and one women come to be one flesh literally when they have children which is the commandment of God in Gen 1:28, "And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”" you cannot not fulfill this commandment and bring glory to God while in a man on man or women on women relationship, it is actually impossible for them to become one flesh the way God made it to be so it is in direct opposition to God and Jesus never refuted Lev 20:13, "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." He actually affirms it in Matt 5:18 as I have already shown above. I can only agree to "Love God with all you are, love your neighbor as you love yourself." we are called to direct people out of sin and error those of us that are living in truth however with the Holy Spirit and from your implication it seems you have conformed to the world and "that's just the way things are" when in many different places it is condemned to "be a friend of the world" 1 John 2:15, "You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." and in James 4:4, "You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." James 1:27, "Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world." and the worst in my opinion for supporting this world view, 1 John 5:19, "We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one." Do not conform to this world and the way the world wants things to be, it is of the devil as he has domain of the world which is another Biblical teaching but I think I have made my point quite clear that even purpose the rhetoric you have written is putting you at enmity with God and I hope you repent from it and actually accept the Holy Spirit and His teachings. My prayers go out for you."
@YaksoHD
10 ай бұрын
@@daodejing81 We are not the ones who misunderstand Scripture, you are the one who is ignoring it when it is clear to see that God is perfect and did not change.
@joshuawalters5636
8 жыл бұрын
It is true that the bible does not support homosexuality. It is mentioned in both the old and new testament. However, condemning comments about Rob isn't helpful. I think Andrew has done a great job pointing him to the right scriptures but with a spirit of gentleness and with sensitivity (like Jesus did) to where Rob is at. If you are concerned for Rob, don't condemn him, pray for him. This 'uber liberal' view of certain parts of scripture is common within our society. One that many people fall into. I think it's great that these two gentlemen have chosen to discuss this maturly. If we choose to do the same and not condemn people for where they are at currently, there is more chance of the said person receiving the word of God which we are sharing. Condeming a person only leads to more resistance and we are percieved to be arrogant.
@juanvelez8564
4 жыл бұрын
If you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can set you free: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
@AKeane-pi2kw
4 жыл бұрын
The bible also supports slavery, do you accept the bibles teachings on that?
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
Wrong, Moses and Paul seem to have issues with it. That's 2% of Biblical Scripture.
@leegaesswitz181
9 жыл бұрын
This might be the most cowardly attempt to defend his position that I have seen from Rob Bell. If you are going to defend yourself, then defend yourself....with evidence. In which he did not. Andrew provided his fallacy of begging the questions and he ignores it. I wish Rob Bell would use scripture and history to defend this if he is going to.
@jrozare1817
9 жыл бұрын
Lee, its simple. Its because there is no scripture found in the Bible that he could've used to defend himself. Period.
@pickle248
3 жыл бұрын
Remember what Jesus said. He who has never sinned shall cast the first stone. keep that in mind, people of the comments.
@eduardoguerrero2791
3 жыл бұрын
We are all sinners but we have repented and they dont want to repent and change their sinful ways
@pickle248
3 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoguerrero2791 it’s not a mf choice. :/
@robknight8144
3 жыл бұрын
@@pickle248 any action is a choice. I'm not talking about attraction or temptation. I'm talking about the decision to participate in an action that the Bible says is sinful. In the same passage you quoted above, Jesus ALSO says "Go and sin no more." The adulterous woman made a choice and Jesus called it sin. He did not condemn her, but He told her to stop doing it.
@pickle248
3 жыл бұрын
@@robknight8144 so gay people are supposed to live in unhappiness all their life to serve an evil god? ok
@joshuakohlmann9731
3 жыл бұрын
@@robknight8144 The Bible doesn't say it's sinful. And adultery is very different from homosexuality, especially now that gay people are allowed to marry the people they love.
@DordtyHylemorph
10 жыл бұрын
Bell is a pro dodgeball player. It seems that he won't answer the question cause he's scared of how he'll be seen. If you're going to share your opinion, you have to stand by it no matter what it is.
@Bayleu1
10 жыл бұрын
The questions are posed as having yes or no answers. They don't. It is like asking someone if they think sex between people of the opposite sex is good. Or something that God cheers on. There is always both a yes and no answer. There are so many times that heterosexual sex is wrong. The bible lists many times when it is wrong. Sometimes it is wrong even within marriage. I don't think God cheers a husband raping his wife for example. Some people believe that sex inside marriage without the purpose of procreation is sin. The question of whether or not sex between members of the same sex is evil is not a simple yes or no question. Rob Bell is careful to qualify his answers.
@Kryptic712
10 жыл бұрын
no, the person who is asking the questions is bending the scenario around, they are not on the same wave length and therefore cannot give / receive a balanced and rational conclusion
@lizcutajar9352
5 жыл бұрын
@@Bayleu1 But the difference with homosexuality in the Bible is that is always wrong.
@jerryjamify
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bayleu1 like what Paul said about it? 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. (A)Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
@johnmohle9403
3 жыл бұрын
@@jerryjamify It says that...
@triquepersonalwork6369
11 ай бұрын
The Bible is very clear about what God thinks about homosexuality, Rob Bell will be held accountable in the end by God for leading people astray on this topic.
@lynnechambers6719
10 ай бұрын
Andrew hits the nail on the head. Sin is sin. We all have to deny sin in our lives.
@tracys4161
7 жыл бұрын
Listening to Rob Bell NOT answering questions is very frustrating.
@rickyhigby782
4 жыл бұрын
Great conversation! Thank you Rob and Andrew.
@nadiapralija4222
4 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell, thank you for keeping your composure and living your life inclusive, not judging as it’s never for us to judge anyone! So beautiful that you are loving and kind and your heart is full and open, not closed 💖❤️
@nadiapralija4222
4 жыл бұрын
Salt Maker you use the words wickedly, deceived, judge like you know me from one sentence that I wrote, maybe if you truly looked inward at your own life, your judgement, your harsh words you may be more gracious to others
@kalew37
3 жыл бұрын
We are called by scripture to make judgements. See 2 Timothy 3:16. We are warned against being condemning in our judgements however. I like Rob Bell, but seemed a bit out of his depth here and wouldn’t answer the questions directly. I do love his heart and openness as well though. We also need to be careful in not thinking our new modified definitions of inclusion are somehow superior to God’s level of inclusion. If same sex relations do not glorify God we should be willing to sacrifice them. The New Testament writers had every chance to clear the matter up from any confusion from the Genesis and Leviticus texts and yet still speak emphatically and universally against homosexuality. If same sex relations can glorify God I am all for it! But I don’t see that yet in scripture. I don’t think coming to the conclusion that same sex relationships are sinful makes one unloving and judgmental in any condemning sense.
@robertrichard469
2 жыл бұрын
Nadia Pralija, Jesus, God incarnate, would disagree with your statement. We ARE to judge, but not unrighteously. I would also agree with the previous commenter, not to condemnation, because that belongs to God and we honestly don't know if the one we are judging righteously will repent of what we are judging them for, or, and this is VERY important, BECAUSE we lovingly HAVE judged their behavior as sinful, which the scripture, which IS the word of God, clearly states is. This is what Jesus says is the righteous standard by which we ARE to judge: Judge not that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Mathew 7: 1-5 ESV We are to judge, so long as we are not guilty of the same sin that we are judging. You also compliment Rob Bell on his full and loving heart, but scripture tells us, The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? the Lord search the heart and test the mind,[a] to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds. Jeremiah 17: 9, 10 ESV. God will test the mind and the fruit of Rob Bells deeds, and I think that both, if we are to be Scripturally correct; are to be found wanting.
@loganarowland
7 жыл бұрын
The problem isn't the lack of answer; the problem is trying to turn a complex issue involving people into a yes or no question.
@gman3215
5 жыл бұрын
...everyone born of God overcomes the world. 1John
@Gammysgirl
4 жыл бұрын
Amen!! 🙏
@derksenmartijn
7 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell does an amazing way of answering the question and escaping the binary framing of the question: "is it sinful or not?" yes or no? For people saying Rob Bell can't asnwer the question he is not dodging it but trying to escape this frame and try to reframe the question to a more abstract level that needs to be clear first: "what is is sin?" Is it something as clear as we would like it to be (binary; yes/no) or can it be broader? It is like framing the world as black and white or to choose to embrace the compexity of color. If you are only used to black and white tv it is suddenly a whole new world when color tv comes along. The same thing can be asked about love, is there only love and not love or does love come in as many shapes and colors as the rainbow?
@denali9643
Жыл бұрын
Rob’s teachings have had a significant impact on me. Because of the great insight I know he possesses, it’s obvious to see here that he really doesn’t believe what he’s saying. It’s all in his face and tone. It seems he is trying to appease friends not in the room above Christ. I still love him and will continue to watch how his journey evolves.
@IsraelH91
Жыл бұрын
Best comment!
@timmatteson3959
Жыл бұрын
If Rob doesn’t believe what he’s saying he shouldn’t say it. He’s just trying to take the path of least resentment and, in the process, he’s compromising the truth. He shows no commitment to the truth.
@ellycd
11 ай бұрын
@@timmatteson3959how can you prove what truth is without citing your biases? Your truth is what you believe in, not what everyone must abide by.
@timmatteson3959
11 ай бұрын
@ellycd truth is truth. One's belief in it is irrelevant. Rob does not have "his truth". He has his opinion, which may or may not align with the teith.
@controlclerk
10 ай бұрын
As someone who spent the majority of my career in the medical field, there is no such thing as "healthy" sodomy. There are all types of medical issues that aren't talked about in culture - incontinence, fistulas, infections, etc. The simple fact is your rectum isn't designed to be penetrated. Some may think so because they get a pleasurable feeling. The obvious response to that is, "could you imagine a world where it didn't feel good to poop?" This isn't just a problem for men, unfortunately. I actually had to fill out a death certificate on a woman who died of sepsis from a colovaginal fistula. If you don't know what that is, you can look it up. Fair warning - it's disgusting.
@MrKenpth
6 жыл бұрын
God bless you Andrew for standing firm to the Word of God.
@lilyfield7634
2 жыл бұрын
He's actually falling flat on his face. So sad.
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
Please, Scripture never speaks of homosexuality, save through the mouths of Moses and Paul. This is cultural, not scriptural.
@kenlandry9759
9 жыл бұрын
As a conservative Christian pastor I studied this issue with a gay friend. I told him the Bible was CLEAR and there really was NO question. After an honest and deep study I discovered that the Scriptures are not nearly as clear as I had presumed. Until you have spent many hours in prayer and study I think it prudent to withhold judgment. Reading the best books from both sides is necessary to really understand the issue. I now am uncertain but my uncertainty comes from a desire to please God and to be honest in knowing that I do not know. Both sides are unhappy with me but I can only believe what my conscience insists on. The evidence is NOT clearly convincing from either side though it seems to be somewhat weighted on the traditional side.
@andrewwilliamson5049
9 жыл бұрын
I read Genesis and i see God created woman for man and gave a clear example of the institution of marriage (infact when discussing marriage Jesus referred to this and spoke of marriage as between one man and one woman) It's doesn't take an expert to realise God designed the male and female sexual/reproductive organs for each other. So when did every other sexual desire come into the human race? Well obviously when sin entered in after the fall and human sexuality became damaged. If we accept same sex practices must be acceptable because people desire them then we must conclude every other desire & lust people have outside of the one man one woman design in the Garden before sin must now also be ok. You say we shouldn't speak about these issues. I disagree. When i see the Bible under attack and Christian brothers & sisters dragged to court for standing up for God's word then i think it's time to speak up!! Remember John the Baptist lost his life for speaking out against sexual immorality in his day.
@hannahwilliams5394
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being honest. That's how I feel to
@kenlandry9759
8 жыл бұрын
Nuce that you guys feel a certain way but the real issue is your defense of how you interpret the Bible. 1 man 1 woman you say? Wellwhat if some say NO to that? In your view that is a NO to God and thus a sin. Well houston we have a problem, father Abraham, king David. Didn't they read Scripture! Of couse the Law came after Abraham but Abraham came after Genesis. So this cannot be used as an exclusive model otherwise the father of your faith lived in perpetual sin as well as David, remember the guy that had a heart after God. So as you grow in your interpretive exposure and maturity you may become less dogmatic and might even feel differently.
@rogeryounkin6999
8 жыл бұрын
Crapp accidentally hit report spam sorry folks
@desiredoreen7916
8 жыл бұрын
+Ken Landry, You said, "I can only believe what my conscience insists on" or rather shouldn't you only believe what the Bible says because as a pastor and as a christian, the Bible is the foundation of our faith and all that we believe in.
@mikemikemikemikey
4 жыл бұрын
Bell did not defended in a convincing way that others may have done better but Andrew is making a good point.
@lexic6081
2 жыл бұрын
I think Andrew was being a bully.
@YaksoHD
10 ай бұрын
@@lexic6081 He was trying to turn Rob away from conforming to the world and it's view on things, we are commanded to do that in the Bible. It is not bullying to warn someone to not run into a burning building, it is loving and caring on the contrary. The Scriptures are extremely clear when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. It is a sin and sin leads to hell, we are also called to turn our brothers and sisters towards that path of life and away from error, Andrew was being loving in reality even if it doesn't appear that way to you.
@LYRC11
10 ай бұрын
@yaksohd it is actually not clear because the word homosexuality wasn’t added until newer reiterations of the Bible during the 80s. There’s actual scriptural proof that shows that the original scripture never mentions the word homosexuality. So this whole argument is moot.
@YaksoHD
10 ай бұрын
@@LYRC11 Then you really don’t know history mate, sorry to burst your bubble but the earliest Christians taught that homosexuality was a mortal sin, we know this by looking at their writings, and the Greek and Hebrew Scriptures from the 1st century. All the ancient Churches of Christianity held it as a mortal sin and still do, Judaism has held it as a mortal sin since Leviticus, literally asked a Rabbi how serious they take the verses in Lev, they don’t even allow men to sleep in the same bed together (Orthodox Jews truly observing Judaism) the first canonical Bible which all Christians recognized as the word of God comes from the Catholic Church in the year 382AD, the first English translation of the Bible comes from the Catholic Church in the 1500’s, guess what? They all said it was a sin that would send you to hell if you participated in it, this is coming from scholars of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew, do not try to argue history with me mate. I will humble you as I just displayed by your own lack of knowledge on this subject, your argument is moot and not historically accurate but my prayers are with you.
@YaksoHD
10 ай бұрын
@@LYRC11 And don’t not try to claim that “that was gotten rid of with the New Covenant” then you are not literate on Scripture aspects separating ceremonial laws from moral laws. Moral laws are binding and permit, the ceremonial laws were gotten rid of/changed. “While the Old Testament’s ceremonial laws could be repealed, its moral laws that forbade intrinsic evils like murder or adultery are forever binding.” Jesus confirms this in Matt 5:18, “For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.” Jesus was speaking on moral laws as that’s what the whole Sermon on the Mount was about in hindsight. This would include the moral law of Levi. Just because progressive Christians want to fulfill their own lustful passions in this day and age does not mean God is okay with it or has ever been okay with it. Just how God isn’t okay with sexual relations outside of marriage, marriage is a covenant that can only take place between a man and a women as two men together or two females together cannot “come together and be made one flesh” this is referring to procreation. Two DNA’s form to create one New that has never existed but shares both species of mother and father. This cannot happen outside of a valid marriage. All Christians literally up until less than 70 years ago knew homosexuality was a sin as well, only in recent times have people started to “conform to the world” which goes against what the Bible tells us as we aren’t supposed to conform to the world we are supposed to take up our Cross and die to ourselves everyday. Your argument is just completely invalid when you actually understand history mate.
@leehighland5435
2 жыл бұрын
When you have no fear of God and his word, that is a dangerous place to be.
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
When you are ignorant and presume to know, that is the true danger. Rob spoke wisely, and virtuously.
@jewishartist
8 жыл бұрын
Just answer YES or NO... Rob
@ericb.1384
10 ай бұрын
Notice the immediate dodge on whether homosexuality is a sin or not.
@jakeroberts6274
3 жыл бұрын
Andrew does so well. Rob is a deer in the headlights with no argument except his personal viewpoint. How very post modern of him.
@sessionsatimpact
2 жыл бұрын
I used to think so too, but now see Rob having a poise of quiet confidence… in the careful examination he’s done on this issue. He knows what he believes, is wicked smart, knows the Bible as well as Andrew, and doesn’t need to peacock about it. A 20 minute podcast format will never have enough time to begin debating specific bible passages or the nuances of context… and Rob knows this.
@eyeswideshut8814
9 жыл бұрын
Its not ok to tell every gay person they have to be alone...forever...OUCH Thanks to Rob for sticking up for us, its not easy. It is easier to say..."well the bible is clear on this issue" I love my Fiancee and God loves us. I know what it feels like to be out of Gods plan and in it. We are in it, and bucketfuls of peace and joy can be found in our partnership. Praise God I'm not alone. I would struggle so much.
@firstbornjordan
8 жыл бұрын
At 14:30 Rob Bell turns to the interviewer because he cannot answer the question and is looking for bail out by the interviewer. The question was valid: just because Bell thinks monogamous gay relationship is not destructive (by his observation), what gives Bell the right to define what is right; God should define, not us. Bell then throws a little girly tiz at 17:30, because he is challenged about being liberal and in gay and muslim style he cries the victim; same spirit as those who use this technique in order to manipulate. Sorry to sound judgmental. Bell evades the issue. It is as if he is saying who are we to say that if a person wants to commit to a same sex relationship partner, then that's ok because it reflects fidelity. But Rob, they are in a destructive, unsustainable, unholy union - therefore it is destructive because they have been deceived and it would seem they have deceived you. Poor Rob and others like him. They truly could not love God enough and love the gay enough to speak the truth in love. Only a true pastor shepherd could do that. Get out of the ministry false shepherds. Rob says, it's why too many people give up. Who is Rob trying to please? He is not set apart for God, not priestly. He is into building a community, happy and nice community. And that's nice. But what about the filth inside the white washed tombs Rob. You want to look good on the outside. These pastors are failing because they cannot get the numbers. Narrow now indeed has become the way and the stakes are higher because the sin is more prevalent and the likes of Ron cannot stand on a limb for God. Fear of man, Rob. "People are tired" says Rob. Truth is Rob is tired. And weak. It's too hard because Rob stepped outside of his calling. Like ANdrew said, which way has Rob got to his position and Rob does not say anything except that it seems it's perhaps too boring and retrograde and God has moved on. Sorry, not a pastor, Rob. Not a Shepherd. Shepherd protects (including from deception) and Shepherd feeds (the truth, not deception). Probably a nice guy Rob, just compromised, confused, tired and weakened. Strengthen what remains. Well done to this Andrew Wilson. Composed, respectful and sincerely trying to see how Rob came to his position. I hope Rob sees the light. Purity and holiness are compromised. Rob is either not saved, or deceived. Yes, many problems in the world, but God is holy, "therefore be holy."
@uncertainty7421
3 ай бұрын
Nowhere in the Bible does it condemns homosexuality.
@chickemonkey
8 жыл бұрын
Andrew Wilson isn't hearing the answers. He is wanting Bell to Just state a Black and White statement. LISTEN to the heart of the issue.
@philproulx4478
8 жыл бұрын
At the heart though, this IS a black and white issue.
@kristopherjon6496
8 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell isn't even answering Andrew's questions. He is making an appeal to modern culture. Jesus definitely didn't do that. "If anything I tell you conflicts with the culture of the age, reject it. There's nothing wrong with the state of human affairs." is writ NOWHERE in scripture. What he said was, "Die to yourself. Pick up your cross and follow me." He also said "Do not think I have come to abolish the Law... not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." I would also like to point out that while I have not read any of his books completely, where I have thumbed through I have not seen a single reference to scripture, which should be the basis for any Christian belief. Why would he? It doesn't support his worldview.
@JoelGlovier
7 жыл бұрын
"He is making an appeal to modern culture. Jesus definitely didn't do that." False. Jesus regularly answered questions with questions that were intended to appeal to the culture of the listener's context - consider basically every parable.
@DIVIPI9
7 жыл бұрын
Men professing themselves to be wise became fools.
@555pontifex
10 жыл бұрын
Paul should be allowed to speak for himself. Here he is: "26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans chapter 1. Rob Bell is a bad joke.
@BCity4life
6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Oakley yeah because Paul spoke English 😂😂😂
@chaboi7
6 жыл бұрын
Jay Kutcher uhm, those are words translated in english sherlock.....
@MattFrame
6 жыл бұрын
The passage you quoted refers to heterosexual people who abandon their opposite-gender relationships for same-sex prostitutes. It has no bearing on homosexuality. Have anything relevant?
@azaelia2000
5 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh.eyeroll.read the text according to the context!
@worldrummer
5 жыл бұрын
The idea that Paul "said" something that was translated from its original language 2000 years ago and it's survived being printed by hand for distribution until the mid fourteen hundreds with the advent of the printing press-- never mind the endless translations and edits by men who were all as insecure about gay people as you are-- to believe what you are reading now is what he actually said is absolute insanity. The bible was compiled 80 to 500 years after the events took place. People get misquoted NOW with cameras and voice recorders. Have an ounce of historic empathy and maybe an ounce of humility.
@markmason2216
2 жыл бұрын
When Andrew asks do you think it's not-sinful for two men to have sex, it shows his own blind spot. Because Andrew would himself point out the question "Can a man and a woman have sex and it be sinful" is ...YES. So he leaves out the character that Bell points to which is rather conservative - monogamy, commitment, etc.
@DillPhobia
5 жыл бұрын
So sad to know that we live in a world where two guys who live together are damned to hell, but it's "righteous" to insult and hurt people instead...
@9xixix9
4 жыл бұрын
Well spoken.
@DB-dl5zm
2 жыл бұрын
Just read the scripture. And by the way, people are offended by the truth, as Jesus said that believers will be hated just as they hated him. How can you understand what is right when someone doesn't bother to tell you what is wrong?
@DillPhobia
2 жыл бұрын
@@DB-dl5zm I don't believe the scriptures are right. Or at least, if that's what they say. Lol
@markclason2717
8 жыл бұрын
The culture doesn't dictate the gospel. "Truth is Truth. Lies are Lies. God don't take no alibis. Right is Right. Wrong is Wrong. So, don't go messing where you don't belong."
@petermillist3779
3 жыл бұрын
"The cultural conscience has shifted" But God hasn't!
@nachomanrandysauvage8257
3 жыл бұрын
Jonathon and David were gay with each other, dude.
@graemestewart9515
10 жыл бұрын
There was nothing in biblical times that was comparable with modern homosexual relationships. If you know your history you also know that "gay" relationships of the day were about an old man sleeping with a young boy quietly on the side of his marriage. No wonder that's seen as sinful. Modern homosexual relationships are as different to that as can be. The bible is a product of its time "women obey your husbands" ect. And should be seen in the historical context it was in otherwise we aren't taking our faith seriously enough. If you don't understand that "burying your father" was a metaphor for taking care of family problems then you don't understand something jesus said to a person who wanted to follow him. Likewise if you don't understand the historical context of homosexual relationships at the time you don't understand what the followers of the bible spoke out about.
@gordonmcelvany8990
5 жыл бұрын
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
@TMcConnaughhay
3 жыл бұрын
Horse Crap! Read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and see God's wrath against men sleeping with men! You are so deceived!!
@chocmilk4388
9 жыл бұрын
Being Christian is NOT about what we think and what we feel and what is 'kind". It's about what GOD wants! What HE says! I asked the Lord and he showed me that homosexuality is NOT of HIM. Period. Rob Bell will have the blood of millions on his hands for this and his other heresies and blasphemies.
@ryanwhelpley8458
4 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting to me that God gave you specific revelation that God didn’t feel necessary to include in the Bible so we could all know...
@eljefe2243
6 жыл бұрын
Wow. What a sticking point. I will say I think one of the reasons it is a sticking point is not just because traditionalists believe it is a sin, but also because liberals don't think it is. Rob wants to make it just about the other side's refusal to accept homosexuality as not being sinful and therefore should be freely accepted, but this is just as much about the liberal side being stubborn on their own position. I don't think there is an argument in, "Why can't you just see it my way? You keep pushing people away." I think it does push people away, but Jesus, the disciples and the apostles didn't always say sentimental things that were always easy to accept. They sometimes said things that seemed brutal and hard to accept. We can't just base truth on feels.
@tamaramagdalene1000
6 жыл бұрын
By the time he answers the question my 5 year old will be in college.
@calum66
8 жыл бұрын
The Church and the Bible seemed to have been a bit odd on the question of slavery. A position which you could say has evolved. Many people are quite happy to dispense wisdom from a book until they encounter real life situations and bigger questions involving compassion become much more important . The book even says that . Love demands wisdom not quick answers . and I think this is pretty much where Rob Bell is coming from . Yes he hesitates and even prevaricates from time to time but remember the ones who end up being condemned by Jesus himself are those who demonstrated religious certainty when their their hearts were cold .
@NDMeow93
8 жыл бұрын
Love this comment!
@jblglw
8 жыл бұрын
+calum morrison The difference is that the Bible very clearly states that those who practice sexual immorality will not inherit the kingdom of God. The common argument among the pro gay "Christians" is to suggest that since the Bible is not clearly opposed to slavery which culturally we argue is sinful in itself, then we can reject the clear prohibition on sexual immorality. Using this logic we can systematically ignore every sinful Biblical prohibition. Instead of picking up your cross (death to your former way of life) and following Jesus. We CAN say "Lord,Lord" and not do what He says! Abiding in Christ is simply rationalizing whatever sin we are currently engaged in and dismissing it by saying "surely this isn't as bad as slavery!"
@thisishowwedoit1
8 жыл бұрын
+J.D. Elliott Friend, your post is good. I have just one critique. Please don't lump gays as Christians. Those who call themselves Christians and still live a sinful lifestyle (not denying the flesh) are 'not' saved. In other words, they are False Converts. We (true Believers) are warned over and over in The Bible, DO NOT BE DECEIVED! And clearly, these false converts are deceived. "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me" (Matthew 15:8)... To be 'truly' saved, one must be Born Again and do The Will of The FATHER. "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him" (1 John 2:5)... Again: "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother" (Matthew 12:50)... And again: "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5)... Friend, this is not aimed at you, I just get sick of so called Christians who have NO discernment! These people are not 'studying' The Bible as we are told to do (2 Timothy 2:15). And because of that, they will be destroyed (Hosea 4:6)! Woe to the 'false converts'!!! "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 7:21)... Sorry for the rant.
@thisishowwedoit1
8 жыл бұрын
+calum morrison There is 'no' oddness when it comes to slavery in The Bible. This is what The Bible says: "Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man does, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, you masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him" (Ephesians 6:8,9)... Again: "Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that you also have a Master in heaven" (Colossians 4:1)... Translation, masters are to 'treat' slaves fairly and not in a threatening manner. As you can see, this is far different from the satanic version that we see in the earth. And we also see from Scriptures that masters will be Judged by GOD for how they treated their servants. Also, The Bible is 'not' just a book! "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16)... Again: "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4)... Translation, The Bible is the 'true' Christians instruction for 'pleasing' GOD and it's 'more' vital than food for a persons soul. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17)... Again: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Hebrews 11:6)... So then, by reading and studying The Bible (once you become Born Again and filled with The HOLY GHOST), a 'true' Believer will have discernment and know a FALSE TEACHER (Rob Bell) when we hear them. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:20)... Don't be deceived. "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap" (Galatians 6:7)... "Examine yourselves, whether you are in the faith; prove your own selves. Know you not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, unless you are counterfeits?" (2 Corinthians 13:5)... Friend, you've been warned.
@thisishowwedoit1
8 жыл бұрын
J.D. Elliott I get it. I just don't like the falsehood and the fake religious people who 'call' themselves Christians. But sadly, these are the times that we are living in. I truly feel for those who are deceived and going around deceiving others. Their end will be disastrous! To those who don't know GOD, we (true Believers) look ignorant and like bigots because we believe and follow what's written in The Bible. Again, it's sad because GOD'S Wrath is about to begin. And we know from Scriptures that it will be 'cruel'. "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it" (Isaiah 13:9)... Woe to the unsaved!
@freejavabootcamp
7 жыл бұрын
Listen Rob, i know you know the truth but won't say it because you don't want to reject many, but i believe even Jesus wasn't loved by many because he spoke the truth out very clearly. (like here Matthew 23:33). He called them that because that's what they were and didn't bother much whether they will like him afterwards or not.
@iankrawiec4323
3 жыл бұрын
Rob bell,is a lost soul.as a once Gay man.i died to my sinful nature and became a live to Jesus Christ.
@buckyoung4578
4 жыл бұрын
No one can read the Bible without cultural prejudice and not know that all sexual sin is wrong, but especially the sin of homosexuality. Romans 1 is an entire chapter explaining how someone becomes a homosexual and the penalty. Help the Hurting by helping people come out of the darkness of homosexuality into the light of natural affection. Anyone who says, "Homosexuality is love," hates homosexuals and others with sexual dysphoria.
@-brooke.
6 жыл бұрын
I admire that you kept your cool Rob Bell. What an inspirational man. Thank you for your strength & humility. Although my little comment on youtube doesn’t matter :) grace & peace,
@paullobwein1632
4 жыл бұрын
I agree Brooke I don’t understand the hate seen in these comments.
@wishingwell12345
4 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell won't answer the question because he knows that answering one way will lose him popularity with the progressive side and answering the other way will lose him credibility with the traditional side.
@hutchieboy242
6 жыл бұрын
" A lot of problems with Jesus's understanding of Leviticus.. ... ..." hmmm. Rob really knows how to cross the line.
@nothanks4469
4 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell thinks he understands Leviticus better than Jesus does, lol. Oh, the raw narcissism on display.
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
Jesus has no mention about homosexuality.
@karlakurucz127
Жыл бұрын
Here’s my testimony. I’ve repressed and tried to pray away the gay for 2 decades of my life. Accepted and understood that celibacy and life partnership was not for me in this life. During those 2 decades of praying away the gay, I prayed for God to send me a spouse that would meet certain qualities that I needed due to childhood trauma. That even if these feelings were unchanged I would enter a marriage that would lift His name. I prayed that I would meet them at my congregation. But then after those 2 decades of pouring out my heart and soul and cutting off parts of who I am…. I surrendered to living by myself serving God, being a dog lady who volunteers a lot to do charity. I would fast and read the scriptures too. And ya know what God answered my prayers. I met this kind, patient, intelligent, artistic person at my congregation and we became the best of friends. We would discuss life and our lives and started learning languages together. We even discussed our heart for fostering and the need for that. Feeding the hungry. The least of these. My heart swooned over how they were about the things of the Lord. Then they told me how they felt romantic feelings for me and what did I do? I rejected and ran away and thought of killing myself to scream at God. Why? Because this best friend who I fell in love with… was a woman. This beautiful woman who was an answer to a prayer I surrendered to God ages ago was before me ever so understanding and showing me God’s love. She pined for me for 2 years respectfully keeping her distance until I deconstructed and reconstructed my faith. I’m now in a happy, healthy and super safe relationship that I can grow in. She too feels safe, happy, and that she can grow in this partnership too. God. Really is bigger than we can comprehend. ❤
@blindcuckoo6680
Жыл бұрын
Yes God loves us far more than we can imagine, and he wants a relationship with each of us no matter what our sexual orientatation, skin colour, past history, sins etc. Karla I don't know what you went through as a child but clearly God knows. I cannot criticise you as I haven't been in your shoes, I have no idea what you suffered and could not say how I would be in your situation.. What I do know is that God offers healing to those who earnestly seek him (Hebrews 11:6). I pray that God gives you healing and you are restored. However, does that mean that homosexuality generally is legitimatised just because of your own particular situation?
@Ray-xh6gb
Жыл бұрын
Gay is ok celebate is the way
@Ray-xh6gb
Жыл бұрын
Ok Rob why are they gay vicars in ministry baptise gay people
@Ray-xh6gb
Жыл бұрын
Children of God
@suchisthismystery2814
3 жыл бұрын
Andrew appears to want to reduce same gender relationships to the sexual act alone and by so doing diminish such relationships to lustful, carnal expressions only rather than the coming together of two beloved children of God in deep love of one and other.
@suchisthismystery2814
3 жыл бұрын
@ngerstner753 Firstly, Jesus never made any such reference, and secondly, it is not wise for us humans to speak on behalf of God.
@suchisthismystery2814
3 жыл бұрын
@ngerstner753 "Men can be good friends." Men can also be good lovers. "The problem comes in when there is lust or sex acts involved." What is the problem?
@suchisthismystery2814
3 жыл бұрын
@ngerstner753 "He (God) created man and woman for each other to be fruitful and multiply." And they have done that to the point of over population. God also created diversity in all it's myriad forms and expressions.
@suchisthismystery2814
3 жыл бұрын
@ngerstner753 You presume I have not. How audacious and condescending of you. For your reference I happen to be a 61 year old reverend.
@Dandannysalazar
10 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up brotha andrew
@k.millington9656
6 жыл бұрын
Rob says "This is why so many reject the church because they call into question orthodoxy" This issue with the statement is that he assumes many will come to Christ, this is not scripturally true. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it(Matt. 7:13). As Christians we need to remember the greatest commandment, to love the Lord your God with all your heart. He comes first and his ways are right!! Few will enter the kingdom because of mans greatest sin, PRIDE. If we cannot humble ourselves to give up our own desires, then we cannot love God and follow him.
@saraburkholder4520
4 жыл бұрын
If you really loved these people, Rob, you’d tell them the truth, which could save the from Hell.
@evonsparrow
4 жыл бұрын
So if two men are married to each other but still profess their faith in Christ they go to hell (because in your opinion it’s a sin)? However, whatever sin you commit is forgivable?
@eduardoguerrero2791
3 жыл бұрын
@@evonsparrow its not her opinion that its a sin its in scripture and it is a sin. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God ? Do not be decieved : Neither the sexually immoral nor idiolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inheret the kingdom of God 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
@eduardoguerrero2791
3 жыл бұрын
@@evonsparrow in order for your sin to be forgiveable you must repent ask for forgiveness and stop sinning . Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you between you and your God.and your sins have hid his face from you that he will not hear you.
@eduardoguerrero2791
3 жыл бұрын
@@evonsparrow Proverbs 28:9 He thats turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayers shall be abomination
@JohnSmith-ji6lu
3 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoguerrero2791 Jesus was a gay man is obvious.
@beverlycullender3938
4 жыл бұрын
He asked if it was sinful, answer the question
@jaredemery6189
8 жыл бұрын
Wow!!!! Just answer the question Rob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@duanewhippy1706
8 жыл бұрын
+Jared Emery yeah man
@NDMeow93
8 жыл бұрын
He is. That's the point! The guy interrogating him wants a black and white answer, it is not a simple case of 'I believe Jesus is wrong, homosexuality is not sinful'. That's what he wanted rob to say, but robs way of thinking is so much more nuanced. He refuses to buy into the simplistic dogma you get so much in modern day Christianity, which leads to such simple thinking as 'you are gay, therefore you will go to hell'. People don't want to engage their minds and their souls to truly understand, they just want to have simple statements from which to judge and understand everything. But unfortunately, if you want that, you're restricting yourself so much. Listen to what rob is saying, rather than being defensive and agitated. The man shouldn't have kept questioning him with the same question, because it showed he wasn't listening, and it showed he didnt have anything to reply with when rob made an interesting point.
@TinkerPrepper
8 жыл бұрын
+Natalie Di So what you are saying Natalie is that Rob's way of thinking is a much "higher way" of thinking than Andrew Wilson?
@donnasimon9972
8 жыл бұрын
+One Who Knows Him Jesus spoke not a word about homosexuality. Andrew Wilson keeps trying to get Rob Bell to say that Jesus is wrong. But the truth is that Jesus never addressed this. I'm not sure how people who claim to be strict interpreters of scripture don't get that. This becomes such a central issue for conservative Christians, but Jesus says *nothing* about it. Tons about hypocrisy and loving your neighbor (all of them, including immigrants, poor people, women), but not a word about homosexuality.
@k0smon
8 жыл бұрын
OWKH/// You mentioned the Word of God as being Jesus. So it is no longer the bible?
@robknight8144
3 жыл бұрын
It's tragic watching someone drown in real time
@debbieann2078
4 жыл бұрын
Witness of the community!! What about the witness of The Holy spirit
@JohnSmith-ji6lu
3 жыл бұрын
Oh wise one can you please give me some advice. I have accidentally inserted a large carrot into my rectum & I am now unable to remove it. Do you have any practical tips?
@joshuakohlmann9731
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-ji6lu I had that problem too, but in my case it was a large strawberry. The doctor advised me to put some cream on it.
@annabellesinger3717
8 жыл бұрын
It was good how the interviewer asked the questions and Bell comes off like a politician never gives a straight forward answer!
@MeneTekelUpharsin
7 жыл бұрын
When you don't have an answer that's what you gota do
@courcour7438
6 жыл бұрын
I mean because there is no straightforward answer other than God created gay people and that’s it and to be homophobic causes more suffering (hence is more wrong/sinful than it is to be gay). Also note that one is a choice and the other is not. Human sexuality is innate biology. He should have to “defend” himself beyond that. It is what it is.
@thisslightlysweetlife3402
4 жыл бұрын
Did God create serial killers?
@courcour7438
4 жыл бұрын
Tortilla Mate you’re talking to a scientific researcher in neurogenetics. That GWAS study you referenced actually proves the genetic underpinnings of human sexuality - the fact that there is not one but *many* genes that code for the attribute of same-sex attraction. Up to a quarter of human sexuality is genetically predetermined - the remainder is developmental neurology shaped by environmental factors (variable hormonal levels in utero is one such environmental factor that has bene heavily researched). So no, it is not something that can be “changed” as you absurdly suggest. It’s innate human biology. Innate human biology is not a “sin” and the original Hebrew and Greek texts of Scripture never even spoke on the matter. Also Christian fundamentalism - the basis of such beliefs (even though those beliefs stem from a misinterpretation of Scripture) is in and of itself a fallacious doctrine that isn’t theologically sound. Unless you also believe in polygamy, slavery, silencing women in church, stoning unruly children, or any of the other countless atrocious things the Bible fundamentally upholds in addition to homophobia then you fail by your own absurd doctrinal metric. That, my friend, is called hypocrisy & last I checked Jesus had quite a lot more to say about the religious hypocrites than he ever did about LGBT individuals. Live and let live.
@ryanjones4521
4 жыл бұрын
Love the Lord your God with all your heart mind soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. It’s LoVe!!! Love!!! Love!!!! Based on the bible, if Jesus came in the flesh during our time more than likely some of his disciples would be Homosexual. Woe to you TEACHERS OF THE LAW!!!
@pingramnet
6 жыл бұрын
One of the fundamental problems I have with what Rob Bell is saying is where he puts stock into what is most important. He basically says traditional Christian views on homosexuality is the reason so many people don't want to be a part of the church. The part he doesn't answer throughout this interview is whether he believes homosexuality is a sin as stated in scripture. Here is are my one question for Rob Bell: Mr. Bell you state that because a gay couple has been living happily together that this somehow makes the homosexual lifestyle OK. If a person were living as a Muslim, Hindu, or any other religion, would you stop preaching Acts 4:12 to make the church more inclusive to more people?
@iamagaychristian1226
5 жыл бұрын
The big difference between Rob and Andrew is, Rob sees the loving relationship between a same sex couple , Andrew only sees the sex between a same sex couple. That tells me Andrew needs to search and question himself first before he questions homosexuality and the Bible.
@jtbovis
8 жыл бұрын
I genuinely feel bad for Rob Bell. People like him are what Christianity needs to make it relevant to modern, educated people but when he goes on Christian radio shows he gets grilled so badly by other Christians. Christianity, it seems, is destined to die out alongside all the other religions of the past as people become more educated, more ethical and more compassionate human beings. Christians (mostly) have rejected putting unmarried non-virgins to death, despite the mandate for it in the Bible, I wonder why they can't move past this.
@davidblick2192
8 жыл бұрын
No
@sneaky33peas
6 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more!!
@StinsonTango
6 жыл бұрын
Hit the nail on the head there my friend. kudos to you.
@brandondean76
6 жыл бұрын
Well he's Not a Christian
@gordonmcelvany8990
5 жыл бұрын
I would kindly suggest that you do a little more study of the Bible.
@cwellik805
5 жыл бұрын
I loved the courtesy and humility of both interviewees.
@ZephaniahL
Жыл бұрын
In light of those Bell leads astray with his faux confidence, I'll take theological accuracy over manners any day.
@arthurcheater3359
9 ай бұрын
17:35 is the most poignant, yet said unintentionally, point that Rob Bell makes. People don't want to go to church if said people are confronted with Biblical truths. Just as it says, the dark does not want to be exposed by the light. It is not the job of the church to affirm sin and make its congregants more comfortable.
@drjeff1979
4 жыл бұрын
Robb won't talk to Andrew directly. He knows he's wrong. Rob's view is this "culture has changed so we have to accept sin now"
@Clockwork399
8 жыл бұрын
"That's how the world is?" Say what? Rob Bell is a false teacher people, run!
@k0smon
8 жыл бұрын
399/// He has a higher understanding of what is true and factual. The bible does not always get it right.
@kristopherjon6496
8 жыл бұрын
Proverbs chapter 3 verses 5 and 6: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight." Rob is leaning on his own understanding, and the consensus of the "culture." That is folly.
@pinkspiltmilk
8 жыл бұрын
Who's understanding do you lean on when you interpret scripture? Do you read all scripture from Gods understanding?
@kristopherjon6496
8 жыл бұрын
Hailee Wilkinson If I said yes, I'm sure you would scoff at such an answer, no? Interpretation is tricky. It requires understanding the context of the whole scripture and a solid doctrine that is supported by that context. It's important for Christians to read the Bible on their own, but it is key that we listen to teachers who have made their lives the grasp the whole context of scripture through doctrine. Belonging to a church with solid doctrine is important. I can see the point you would try to make, and I certainly think it can be made on subjects like baptism, or sacraments, soteriology and eschatology. But claiming that one's position on homosexuality is a result of a particularly narrow interpretation is absurd. Scripture doesn't get more explicit on many subjects. "Don't be fooled, men who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians. That's as unambiguous as it gets. How would you interpret it?
@macaronimick
9 жыл бұрын
I guess Rob Bell just forgot the part of the Bible that says to live in the world but not of it.
@richrich3588
2 жыл бұрын
Bell is a master manipulator - he rhetorically introduces the idea that homosexual practice is a moot point, and to contend otherwise is the actual sin because it drives people away from Christ. He slithers around very direct questions from Wilson. Good on Wilson for a gracious and articulate debate.
@graylad
9 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell is lost................
@thomascampr
9 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell is shitting in his pants. Andrew is saved and Rob doesn't know shit. He does know he hates God and is trying to lead people astray. He's will pay. HELL FOR AN ETERNITY. GOD not fond of false teachers.
@DeeSunshineTantra
7 жыл бұрын
God ain't too fond of stupid dickheads either!
@stanleyclayton816
8 жыл бұрын
I will say this though, Rob Bell conducted himself VERY WELL! Even when they began over talking him and trying to corner him. He kept his cool and his facial expressions were priceless. Lol
@abrahamleay
7 жыл бұрын
He was VERY uncomfortable, and I feel bad for him actually.
@khappy1286
5 жыл бұрын
Talking over him???? He would not answer a simple question. I think the interviewer handled himself well.
@taramain1251
3 жыл бұрын
It kind of bugged me that most of the dialogue did not include to Rob Bell.
@LilMonty
3 жыл бұрын
I know right. This whole thing was a joke. Wilson dominated the “debate” and clearly his intention was to cause confusion.
@FeliPeltier
9 ай бұрын
Rob struggled.
@biblereadingoutreach2284
8 жыл бұрын
(1 Corinthians 5:3-9) "For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, {4} In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, {5} To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. {6} Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? {7} Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: {8} Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. {9} I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:"
@dannymcneal
Жыл бұрын
When Paul wrote (1 Cor. 6:9) of the unrighteous not inheriting the kingdom of God, he included “homosexuals” in this short list, and he tells the church not to be deceived. How could the church be deceived? To believe that the homosexual can continue engaging in this unrighteous act and STILL inherit the kingdom of God. Paul goes on to write, “Such WERE some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” If homosexuality wasn’t a sin in Paul’s day, and isn’t a sin today, accord to Bell, then what were those ex-homosexuals washed of? Everything Bell listed about homosexual relationships, i.e., They just don’t want to be alone, could surely be found among the relationships between men in Sodom and Gomorrah. God didn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah simply because they “pressed hard against Lot.” God had already pronounced judgment. Those desiring to have their cake and eat it too, i.e., remaining in homosexual relationships while believing they’re saved, have flocked to preachers such as Bell-he’s made a TON of money at the cost of their salvation. One cannot live the resurrected life in Christ while dragging the old, unburied, carnal man around with him.
@DJJS7
7 жыл бұрын
"That's how the world is and we should affirm that " - Rob Bell has given in to this world and has lost his mind .
@pearlgregor2443
4 жыл бұрын
the world? Seriously. No, gay sex isn't sinful. You cannot pretend you know the mind of God, can you?????
@James-qr5hx
4 жыл бұрын
@@pearlgregor2443 True, but you can know what God has revealed to us.
@thomashalpin7594
4 жыл бұрын
@@pearlgregor2443 Romans 1 says otherwise For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. Romans 1:26-27
@creativejob
3 жыл бұрын
Jokes aside, if I had to choose one of these to be heaven's gate keeper toward my entry, I'd pick Rob
@conservativemama3437
3 жыл бұрын
Why? Because he can’t say what God commands and he’d let all in? How would that be just?
@creativejob
3 жыл бұрын
@@conservativemama3437 he'd be more generous than your God? We can't have that
@michaeldukes4108
3 жыл бұрын
@@creativejob Generosity has nothing to say about justice.
@JoeySehn
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldukes4108 mercy triumphs over judgement and justice is judgement for all
@glennsimonsen8421
2 жыл бұрын
Sure you would, but he will not be the judge.
@kaykay1kc
7 жыл бұрын
he wanted to play hurt victim and didnt want people to say hes not a Christian. i will say it. HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN!
@justinfox1432
6 жыл бұрын
kaykay1kc umm, sounds like judgment. Bible said God was going to judge all that.
@dewuidew
6 жыл бұрын
You also must not like it when Paul called the church of Corinth to kick a man out of the church (even though he never met the guy, as Paul states)? You do realize that rebuking or exhorting fellow Christians is something we are actually called and encouraged to do? Proverbs 27:5 ESV Better is open rebuke than hidden love I feel like that verse covers almost everything they talked about in this bit
@Deacondan240
6 жыл бұрын
Leave it to the Brits to make Rob Bell uncomfortable. Bell seems to be totally compromising to appeal to what he wants. Andrew's best analogy was the Israelites offering sacrifices to Baal and still saying they were worshipping Yahweh.
@emilyvb
10 жыл бұрын
i would never even to begin to debate against andrew wilson he is extremely anointed for this and extremely clever!
@samsaranknight
5 жыл бұрын
No he is an ashole that loves is own agenda wich is to attack verbally for the sake of his own selfrightousness.
@GodFirstnl
3 жыл бұрын
@@samsaranknight attack verbally? Lol. This is a debate. I never heard him cuss or ridicule Rob Bell in this clip. Sounds like projection to me
@feralbeliever4248
2 жыл бұрын
@@samsaranknight I just was going to write almost VERBATIM what you posted. He's a self righteous asshole who values "scripture" over everything else...ESPECIALLY loving others. HIs Trinity is "1. The Bible, 2. The Bible, and, 3. The Bible
@buddyduddyful
3 ай бұрын
Conflating love with homosexuality-a sexual act-with love is a strawman. Nobody opposes love, nor brotherly for that matter, but sexual acts are not love.
@musicprodave
8 жыл бұрын
So Bell simply wants to do whatever the modern culture is and affirm it? And then the man can't answer the Question
@erocklledo3314
9 жыл бұрын
Lol way to answer questions without answering them rob. he was skirting the question better than anyone else ive ever seen haha
@daodejing81
11 ай бұрын
Rob spoke wisely.
@FeliPeltier
9 ай бұрын
@@daodejing81Foolish.
@garrettramsey643
10 жыл бұрын
paul in Corinthians says that the homosexuals shall not inherit the Kingdom Of God
@garrettramsey643
10 жыл бұрын
you're correct the terminology used then is considered derogatory today so i will refrain from sayin it . point being i believe youre taking this out of context and avoiding the " meat and potatoes" of what he actually said
@garrettramsey643
10 жыл бұрын
my friend your envisionment is precisely what is wrong with the church and America today everyone has to be politically correct and its taboo to speak out against the liberal views of the world
@garrettramsey643
10 жыл бұрын
of course you're a foreigner !
@garrettramsey643
10 жыл бұрын
actually my family is Irish/Cherokee
@garrettramsey643
10 жыл бұрын
but my irish side has been in America for about 150 years the cherokee are native americans so lord knows how long theyve been here
@that_one_gull8374
7 жыл бұрын
Ummm, what? If homosexuality isn't sinful, and should just be considered a lifestyle, why did God so blatantly label it as such in the destruction of Sodom? The bible is just as clear about it's standing on homosexuality as it is on Jesus being the one way to salvation.
@brookwaters9534
7 жыл бұрын
What pushes me away is not answering a simple question.
@lyncassady9868
8 жыл бұрын
so interesting! i think rob's motivation is not to do aways with "old fashioned stuff" to make an otherwise outdated religion hip again, you know, or to save it before all of it is lost. i think he brings it back to the source, which is love, and which can be overlooked because of rules and dogma that aren't questioned or re-examined or reflected upon, but just followed without thinking or without putting it into its context. jesus said that sabbath exists for the people, not the other way around - thus bringing a rule back to it's source, to love. rob taking into account e.g. paul's cultural frame of reference is doing just that - making love, loving acceptance, loving relationships, a loving community, the centre of the discourse and practice, and reading and interpreting scripture with this clarity brought on by love. and like john says, god is love. thank you for reminding us, rob bell! :)
@williambirt8557
5 жыл бұрын
Lyn Cassady “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” 2 Timothy 4:3-4 NIV Here’s a tip. Don’t listen to Rob Bell. Where does it justify homosexuality anywhere and scripture and where does it say “this is how the world is now” Don’t conform to the ways of this world!
@juanvelez8564
4 жыл бұрын
If you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can set you free: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
@MikeAllen-hh9xu
2 жыл бұрын
Well put William The hippie movement was all about “ free love “ In actuality it was ppl doing whatever they wanted whenever they wanted and it turned a generation of ppl to drugs , crime and sexual sin . It’s quite simple really .turn away from sin ( repentance ) change our behavior and turn to God
@bdayluv1986
2 жыл бұрын
“Woe” blasphemy
@YaksoHD
10 ай бұрын
Sister it is not loving to send people towards the pathway to hell even though Rob has good intention in mind I don't doubt that, the Scriptures are clear and Jesus speaks on repentance and hell more than anyone in the whole entire Bible. True love is to will the good of another person even if they do not will it themselves, Jesus said "Go and sin no more" and spoke on how even looking at someone with lust or calling someone a fool unjustifiably is liable to hell. He even condemns homosexuality when He affirms the law in Matthew 5:18, " For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished." True love is to will the best for the other person and the best thing we can do for another person is turn them on the narrow path that leads to God and Heaven and not lead them down the path that leads them to hell. I understand your sentiment truly but please you have to realize that promoting sin is not loving it is the opposite as it sends souls to hell which is the worst possible thing that could happen to a soul. I hope you are still here and hopefully you can reply to me, my prayers with you truly!
@ascent7
9 жыл бұрын
rob bell is spot on. from 16mins on he nails it.
@555pontifex
6 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell is clueless concerning the Bible. False teacher. Anyone who knows the Bible knows this.
@bethezebra
9 ай бұрын
😂 lol
@southparkgdp
9 жыл бұрын
Notice how hard Rob Bell was trying to skirt around the issue? He knows the truth, but wants his version of it to win out. The number of mental gymnastics he had to perform there must have exhausted the poor guy. If he truly loved his gay friends he would do everything in his power to warn them to repent of their sin and turn to Jesus. But his love of himself wins out. Love wins indeed.
@epenny1234
8 жыл бұрын
The reality is he never did answer Andrew's question. He avoided answering it and that is what interests me.
@johnmohle9403
3 жыл бұрын
It could be that Andrew's question is assumptive...
@Gastel
3 жыл бұрын
Rob was talking about monogamy and Andrew is talking about all sex. Not the same thing.
@smgonzo88
5 жыл бұрын
It's funny to watch this again after 6 years or so. I'm not super familiar with Rob Bell and I'm still not, don't really care. But, this interview was wonderful and so instructive for us today. I actually respect Rob a little bit more here even as I still have my own issues to deal with in regards to where he obviously lands. He was actually clear as to where he stands by the way. But anywho, I absolutely love how he responded to Andrew Wilson.
@karenaskenaze8708
6 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell seems like he has been very influenced by the culture....just b/c our culture is changing doesn't mean that morality or God's precepts change. Homosexuality was very common in Roman culture in Jesus' society. Had Jesus meant to declare gay relationships as blessed by God he surely would have set the religious leaders straight (no pun intended) on that issue.
@oraclebjj
8 жыл бұрын
Rob is slow in responding because its difficult to explain this in bullet scatter manner as the guy on the left in his excited black/white mentality.
@eamonhanka
6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right. I'm frankly amazed at the comments section here.
@TheAllstar52
5 жыл бұрын
I've always had great respect for Rob Bell. But this video makes me wonder two things. It causes me to question Rob Bells' level of intelligence and ability to answer a complex question in a clear, concise and congruent way. If the answer is too complex and too long of an answer, it would still be possible to give bullet points of that thought process, as complex as it may be. He seems unable to do so. Or he doesn't really have an answer and he deflects the question because he hasn't truly thought through all the implications or there is no answer.
@minyanminyan9723
5 жыл бұрын
No. Rob is slow to answer because his answers don't come from the word of God, they are coming from his own theological machinations. Andrew is asking very direct questions.
@darrenwithers3628
5 жыл бұрын
Rob Bell wants to have religion and dismiss all the immoral bigotry associated with it, whereas you are quite happy being religious bigots.
@minyanminyan9723
5 жыл бұрын
@@darrenwithers3628 Ahhh, the "bigot" accusation makes it's entrance. Typical. Please try to come up with something new, like, say, a reasonable argument.
@davidhill5897
5 жыл бұрын
WOW, Doctorines of demons right before my eyes. What have I have to do with the world but teaching in the church by people who wont won't listen to sound doctrine and teaching doctrine of demons is a reality in these last days.
@joshuakohlmann9731
3 жыл бұрын
What has happened to religious debate, that even in the twenty-first century we still can't just say "I disagree" and instead go on about demons and goblins and pixies and whatever other invented malevolent spirits. The "doctrine of demons" is no more a reality than the doctrine of Noddy; and it's apparently been the "last days" for the past two thousand years.
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