John used to say: Never put the actor before the character. This is clearly putting the actor before the character. It's not even about getting a classic villain the attention he deserves. It's about RDJ. Not Doom.
@JAS44404
Ай бұрын
@@byronkennedy7203 chillllll you don’t know the story yet lol you’ll get your victor Von doom I promise you.
@Kangaroo-Flavored-Shoelaces
Ай бұрын
Dude, they all returned as the characters they always played!
@jasonthomas5793
Ай бұрын
Well.....we know Wolverine died at the end of logan, and this Wolverine in DP3 is a variant. Both Tony Stark and Wolverine died in their respective time lines, and Wolverine was brought back as a variant. So RDJ coming back as a variant of a ViIlian is not that much different. It would be just as easy to say that bringing Hughjack back was a desperate move as it is RDJ. And their reasons for being able to return is the exact same, which is the multiverse.
@scrappydojo
Ай бұрын
@@jasonthomas5793 The questions is, is he really gonna be a Tony Stark variant who becomes Doom? Coz they only said Victor Von Doom.
@matteiden1683
Ай бұрын
@@jasonthomas5793bringing in Jackman as Wolverine for Deadpool was not desperate. In order for it to be desperate, sonething needs to be well...in need of help. Deadpool 3 didn't NEED Hugh Jackman. They weren't desperate at all. Deadpool isn't even Marvel Studios creation. They just piggy backed off of something that was already successful. The MCU hasn't been doing good at all. RDJ returning is a big time desperate move. They need help, a lot of it.
@TheDove20
Ай бұрын
The difference is they came back to play the same character. Not a completely different character!
@thedarkestknight8381
Ай бұрын
You got a point
@jasonthomas5793
Ай бұрын
Assuming that is the case. He's very likely a variant.
@matteiden1683
Ай бұрын
How Campea doesn't understand this baffles me. It isn't rocket science.
@thatdude3130
Ай бұрын
If you don't like the casting then DONT WATCH it. Simple. You have a choice.
@ultramagneticlion2147
Ай бұрын
Even if RDJ and the Russos pull it off, it still reduces the character of Dr. Doom and his rich history to a gimmick for a variant. It seems desperate because it doesn't show much thought put into it.
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
Ай бұрын
It'd also reduce the character of Tony Stark. He's THE Iron Man.
@funkysam1345
Ай бұрын
It doesn't really though. He might be what u call a loose variant. A distant multiversal variant. But can be super menacing nonetheless
@brycenmoore99
Ай бұрын
Ive seen this point a few places but I don’t understand. If he’s from an entirely different universe, who is to say his backstory is diminished? He could very well not be an official variant at all. And even if he is, he would have an entirely different life? They can do literally anything with this. This also makes the multiverse potentially interesting in an otherwise boring multiverse saga
@callumread7787
Ай бұрын
@@brycenmoore99 how are they condensing all of dooms history into 2 avengers movies that will have dozens of characters already? That's my concern ...
@Kliqkid4life
Ай бұрын
I can't wait to see Chris Evans to come back... as magneto.
@christopherfava2529
Ай бұрын
So iron Man came back as Dr Doom and Captain America coming back as magneto dumb 🤷
@kurtmaryville4941
Ай бұрын
Black widow is going to be coming back as nightcrawler… 😊
@weuries6
Ай бұрын
Honestly the backlash has nothing to do with RDJ and his ability. We all know he can absolutely kill this role. 10 years of him becoming synonmous with Ironman is where I think people are resistant because the time and frankly the emotions we all felt at the END OF Endgame.
@jayerm
Ай бұрын
That's exactly how I feel
@josephatherley
Ай бұрын
John: we as movie fans need to be open minded Also John: if you don't see it my way you're blind!
@nrw5513
Ай бұрын
Bringing actors to play the same role is not the same as bringing RDJ back to play a whole new character (or variant..either way). Just feels like a huge missed oppurtunity to actually progress the MCU somewhere new and fun.
@kamsolusar8529
Ай бұрын
"Desperate" is a valid critique of this casting decision and I think it's disingenuous to dismiss that or compare it to Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield coming back. The latter came back to reprise roles they played before, whereas RDJ is playing a completely different character. Marvel is aware that they've lost some audiences and critical acclaim in their phase 5 films/shows. They're aware they've gone off track (and they've acknowledged it directly with Deadpool & Wolverine). What's going to give them the hype and boost they want? A new actor playing Doom or RDJ? With DC studios rebooting and the potential of James Gunn's Superman peforming spectacularly and taking center stage, it just makes sense business-wise for Feige to match or even surpass the hype to re-center attention on the MCU. You can disagree that it's not desperate, but don't quickly dismiss it or try to shut it down. Make space for it and debate it. You make it sound like no legitimate movie fans and critics are making this argument. I get that you really like this casting, but take a moment to consider why people are calling it desperate. It's not always about hate, it comes from a place of wanting these films to be great and to see other actors thrive in complex roles.
@214sandro
Ай бұрын
Well said my good friend, well said… how sad I use to really like John and I used to really take his opinions seriously but lately he just gets offended and dismisses everything others say. Not cool
@s-wo8781
Ай бұрын
Yeah a similar situation on the DC side is if James Gunn came out and announced that Christian Bale is playing Batman again. Everybody loved those movies so it would be a move to get people back.
@MyWorldYourView
Ай бұрын
The difference with all the other names you mentioned, is they *Reprised* their roles. They showed up playing the character we followed, loved, watched grow, and left us. RDJ is coming back now, as a new character. Maybe as a variant. Maybe not. But, of ALL the Amazing Actors in the world, we had to choose RDJ to come back for this? I hope for the best. But, I can't say that I'm excited for this, and I am a bit dissapointed and do feel it a bit of a stunt casting. This time for real, not like Krasinski for Reed in MoM. At least, hopefully, the MCU doesn't show Doom's face, and we can really settle in to him playing Doom.
@prasadkumar6992
Ай бұрын
Brother you nailed the point. John’s argument against that was so stupid
@danielkucharik46
Ай бұрын
RDJ coming back is definitely desperate. You're argument about Han Solo, Tobey and Jonny Storms make no sense. They reprise the same role...ofcourse everybody expected Han Solo to be in StarWars 7...what do you mean😂...I want to say, this could still be a cool twist on DrDoom character, but it definitely comes from a place of desperstion. Studios talked about cutting down the budget of superhero movies and now they give 80 mil. to Russo brothers and half billion to RDJ?😂 This wouldn't happen if phases 4-5 weren't disastrous
@jayquinn1661
Ай бұрын
Your last line sums it up big time.. if the movies and shows woulda been better and not try to rush it to get out so it’s out we coulda ended up with awesome movies but no we got trash and they felt like they needed to get back on track… that’s why we got the Russo’s back because they made 2 of the most profitable avengers movies that came out and RDJ has always been one of the best out there so I’m willing to give it a shot
@alexman378
Ай бұрын
Nobody called bringing back Maguire “desperate”, because it wasn’t as another character, and his character didn’t have a definitive ending. Also, context; Marvel was making billion dollar hit after billion dollar hit when they made NWH, they didn’t announce it after a string of flops. Iron Man was the face of the MCU for over a decade, actor and character had become one, it’s not really that easy to disassociate the actor from that character in the same franchise.
@s.r.h.3554
Ай бұрын
Coming back to play Iron Man not desperate. Playing Doom, yes desperate.
@Xerebec.13
Ай бұрын
That's backwards
@funkysam1345
Ай бұрын
Hold on a second. I agree this is certainly a PR move by Marvel. But from a story point of view it certainly is very intriguing nonetheless
@s.r.h.3554
Ай бұрын
@@funkysam1345 oh I 100% agree. May feel like a desperation move to me but I am very much excited to see where it goes. Seeing RDJ back will be awesome. Just by my saying this is a prime example of why they are doing it.
@matteiden1683
Ай бұрын
Honestly, it's desperate either way. RDJ is a big name who was done with the MCU in 2019. Of course they wanted and needed him back now. Then again, MCU never keeps anyone dead. They always bring people back which is a problem.
@Xerebec.13
Ай бұрын
@@matteiden1683 I get you are not a fan...
@eddster511
Ай бұрын
John's comparison to Mark Hamil or Hugh Jackman coming back isn't the same. If they brought him back as Iron Man, no one would be batting an eyelid. It is a move of desperation, they had so many actors that could've took that role.
@rogerchandelier6673
Ай бұрын
Actually it's the opposite. If they brought him back as iron man that would've been the most desperate thing ever and everyone would've complained.
@peterlenham3180
Ай бұрын
@@rogerchandelier6673No, the other guy is still right.
@eddster511
Ай бұрын
@rogerchandelier6673 not at all. Everyone would've been more understanding, this just seems like a move to generate interest in Marvel again. They have 2 movies next year that are not getting the love they'd hope. This Rdj move is a bigger picture thing, they want eyes on the Mcu again. Deadpool has done brilliantly, but does anyone really class that as a Mcu movie?
@rogerchandelier6673
Ай бұрын
@@eddster511 If you really think people would've been more understanding if they brought back RDJ as iron man after he got his perfect ending and died in endgame then you're not thinking right. Bringing him back as a new character and turning their greatest hero into what could possible be their greatest villain is the best thing they could've done right now.
@eddster511
Ай бұрын
@rogerchandelier6673 disagree completely. But if you're excited for it, good luck to you.
@motiv8torcrew
Ай бұрын
Let's have RDJ be Black Panther too 😂😂😂
@stevenjacob5980
Ай бұрын
Lol
@AliFrankTheTank
Ай бұрын
corny
@Brian-SoCal14
Ай бұрын
Oh come on John. The comparison to Garfield and Maguire is ludicrous. EVERYBODY wanted that. Marvel was firing on all cylinders. Bringing RDJ back is desperate because Marvel is tanking right now and Feige knows it. Instead of really digging in and getting the focus back on great storytelling, he decided to throw the hail mary of all hail marys.
@nathanstarszak7844
Ай бұрын
Bro Toby and Andrew were playing Spider Man not Green Goblin that’s the big difference!! Terrible Take John
@JAS44404
Ай бұрын
They were also a surprise for the theatre and you also have a Spider-Man that just straight up killed people. You haven’t seen the film yet, you don’t know the context of the story. Judith a whole ass saga from one casting decision is wild you don’t know what surprises they have, twists, turns. Just take a breath and speculate, and wait it out like the rest of us. Or don’t watch it if you don’t want to.
@Kilan80
Ай бұрын
"This is a genius move.... But i wouldn't do it..." LoL😅
@Big_Macadoshis_
Ай бұрын
All the examples you’re giving John like Hugh Jackman coming back, Tobey Maguire playing Spider-Man, Han Solo making his return, the one thing all those characters have in common is that they’re being played by the same actor who has played the same character, not an actor who has played a character for over 15 years to now play another iconic character in the same industry. That’s why it feels like a desperate move.
@rapman505
Ай бұрын
Yeh it's like bringing Toby Maguire back and casting him as venom but still being Peter parker makes no sense
@Jay2DaPDawg
Ай бұрын
@@Big_Macadoshis_ Have you even seen Deadpool & Wolverine? Hugh Jackman isn’t playing the same character. The opening of the movie makes it pretty clear 😂😅
@itsND2022
Ай бұрын
John really doesn't think before he speaks, yet talks like he's the smartest man in the room 😂🤦🏾♂️
@kompanjonac
Ай бұрын
Exactly
@jonw.415
Ай бұрын
😂 and here you are watching
@itsND2022
Ай бұрын
@@jonw.415 meaning what exactly?? 😂🤦🏾♂️ big swing and a miss from u mate
@itsND2022
Ай бұрын
@@jonw.415 meaning what exactly?? 😂😂 I can't listen to an opinion and be critical?? Pls explain?? 🧐
@samuelwetz8378
Ай бұрын
@@itsND20223 days later no explanation 🤣
@CChamness17
Ай бұрын
It wasn’t desperate to bring back Tobey Marguire, Andrew Garfield, and Hugh Jackman because it was for nostalgia purposes. Bringing back Robert Downey Jr. (whether it’s for a different role or not) is desperate because they are depending on him to keep the MCU alive. MCU has struggled after killing of their biggest star in the whole franchise so therefore they are being desperate.
@TheMultiverseSpider-Man
Ай бұрын
Yeah ironic how John is like, "it's not the same as Evans being Johnny and Steve" but then asserts this situation is no different than those you listed when they're ridiculously different. In those instances it was to give versions of characters proper send offs who never got it and I think especially in DP case to give love to characters who paved the way for the MCU to even exist in the first place. Like DP and Wolverine is fanservice they stated that really from day 1 that's LITERALLY the point of the film's existence, bringing RDJ back because "he's the only actor good enough" is such a crop of shit. No they're doing it because the attention will sell and because then they don't have to build up Doom that's it period. Which- not only fucks Kang and wastes him as character, but also does a disservice to Doom even IF this is just a variant of him and we'll get another down the line. Like- the big issue with Kang was "he wasn't handled like Thanos was" and so it's like, "okay so how the fuck is this any better?" At least with Kang they WE'RE trying to build him up.
@UknowMarcJ
Ай бұрын
It’s considered desperate due to the fact that RDJ was already their cash cow as Iron Man & there are a MYRIAD of actors that could pull off a good Dr. Doom.
@jefferyromero8980
Ай бұрын
This actually killed my excitement for Doom, I wanted doom to be a fresh start for the MCU with no ties to the past but this gives the character so much baggage. I don’t want to watch and constantly be reminded that Doom is Ironman. It would be so nice to see and get to know the character of Doom with a fresh face actor and no previous attachment but now the character is inherently connected to Ironman whether just by casting or storyline and that really diminishes the character for me in some ways. This is Doom who is arguably a better villain than thanos and this comes across as rushed and you cast someone that everybody already loves and knows that’s why it’s safe and desperate. If you want evil iron man do superior iron man
@jayquinn1661
Ай бұрын
Honestly for me it works.. it can be like John said.. it’s a Tony variant that didn’t have that moment in the cave where he fixed his life and became the hero that we all needed… this version can be the darkest version of doom yet… and come on they needed to do something because the MCU been sooo bad with a lot of this multiverse stuff… so let’s go in with a open mind and see what they do…. I mean Russo bros are back which made the best 2 avengers movies in my opinion… so let’s try and have a positive outlook and hopefully this will be what the MCU needs to get back to where they need to be because what else can they do? Go the same way they were? A lot of the movies are garbage in my opinion besides Shang chi, Deadpool and Wolverine & guardians 3… let’s be film fans and go in with the positive outlook and see how they do… if it doesn’t work then shred it apart… because I want the MCU to get better and I hope the movies get better because before Deadpool and the ones I said it’s been failure after failure narratively speaking
@landonhulett2119
Ай бұрын
There has to be someone who could've did Dr Doom justice. Having RDJ to come back as Dr Doom feels like an attempt to get people on board simply because RDJ's back.
@iambuhlockay8007
Ай бұрын
John, you KNOW those examples you brought up were false comparisons. None of those actors were playing characters that were killed off and now are playing completely new characters. (Not variants, because they said RDJ is playing Victor Von Doom).
@awmorris9459
Ай бұрын
Exactly
@callumread7787
Ай бұрын
John .. you're an intelligent man. Im sure you can see the difference between Maguire/ Garfield and Downey jr... Maguire and Garfield didn't come back 5 years later to play a DIFFERENT character in the SAME universe for a start.
@joshavila5024
Ай бұрын
Another classic example of John using ridiculous shallow arguments to dismiss people who don’t agree with him. I’ve noticed that he does this type of thing all the time. Its why I only watch his stuff every once in a while instead of all the time. Its so annoying when it happens.
@davinalopez-oz1ez
Ай бұрын
Exactly. John just being an angry fanboy
@RicardoVillalobos80
Ай бұрын
John Campea had turned 180 degrees and lost my respect. He used to believe the story comes first; you DONT pander to the actor! You DON'T make the story fit the actor. Now is a completely different tune. Campea is so full of shitself. I'm so glad people with integrity like Robert Meier Brunett is no longer part of this guy's show.
@funkysam1345
Ай бұрын
Hold on a second. I agree this is certainly a PR move by Marvel. But from a story point of view it certainly is very intriguing nonetheless
@MrHam0117
Ай бұрын
Tobey McGuire and Andrew Garfield were reprising their characters in smaller supporting roles, and it was largely kept secretive. Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill returning as Han Solo and Luke Skywalker didn’t get much backlash because they were making a direct sequel to their own movie as their original characters. People did give some backlash to Hugh Jackman returning as Wolverine when it was first announced because it did have a hint of desperation, and it’s just forgotten now because of how successful the movie has been. If you don’t think there is any desperation to Marvel Studios bringing back RDJ to play an entirely “new” character, then you’re outright delusional.
@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache
Ай бұрын
I don't know how to feel about RDJ being Doctor Doom. There are so many actors in the world, but yet they cast RDJ.
@shamyarhames7002
Ай бұрын
Who cares I love him?🙄🙄🙄🙄
@dinmavric5504
Ай бұрын
No different than casting Pedro Pascal for Reed Richards.
@Wolfhunter5607
Ай бұрын
the first appearance of Doom to their large fanbase will be with iron man
@Wolfhunter5607
Ай бұрын
@@dinmavric5504 except pedro didn’t play the main character in the infinity saga already
@Matt-rm5ir
Ай бұрын
@dinmavric5504 literally very different. He wasn't in the MCU prior to his casting in Fantastic Four.
@HaroldKing84
Ай бұрын
Having a new actor to play Doom would be more of a "Risk" than RDJ. It looks desperate because Marvel is trying to play it safe given the state of the MCU. They feel bringing RDJ back is their best shot at Having a successful Avengers movie in my opinion
@loooooooooby
Ай бұрын
No, it's more of a risk because everyone knows how monumental it was,how iconic and tragic it was, when they killed off Tony. They're gambling that moment's legacy on bringing RDJ back, but as a different character, and a full-on villain at that. Cillian or Mads or whoever else the internet was buzzing over, THOSE were the safe routes.
@chaffchannel2754
Ай бұрын
Tobey didn’t come back as Green Goblin, Luke didn’t play Vader, Hugh didn’t play Magneto so your take is pretty flawed
@othellorucker8107
Ай бұрын
Correct lol
@rafaelherrera3812
Ай бұрын
No dude yours is flaw because the movie is not even out yet and you’re already judging it
@aitesamahmed2844
Ай бұрын
@@rafaelherrera3812buddy, the "desperate" reaction is the first opinion that popped up in mind. Just like people saying its going to be awesome is. (No one knows what is going to happen)
@connorquinn5381
Ай бұрын
John and false equivalence comparison takes go hand in hand
@ratedrlegit1269
Ай бұрын
I believe rdj genuinely wants to flex his acting chops ion think they finna have some cheap lazy bs with him playing an evil stark variant which is why they said multiple times that he’s playing Victor Von doom I think rdj is challenging himself to play doom and have him be so different from stark that we not going to see any resemblance to stark in his performance the only thing that may actually tie his doom to our stark is that they js so happen to look alike and that he may even steal starks old tech and shit like that but I do think he’s from the new f4 movie that universe takes place in another universe and just happens to look like our stark cuz it would be lazy to just do evil iron man and I don’t see the Russos and rdj coming back for something that lame plus doom wears his suit 90% of the time anyway
@joelestrada8816
Ай бұрын
Big fan here John, but it is desperate because those previous actors you mentioned reprised their original roles. If Rdj came back as iron man and everyone still called it “desperate” then I could understand why you disagree. But he’s coming back to the same cinematic universe as a new character which imo really cheapens the lore of the original/classic doom. Now that they’ve went in this direction, in many people’s minds, it’s just an evil Tony stark. Like if Hugh jackman had been killed off in fox’s universe but then brought back as magneto in the same universe at the time. This idea will only work by default because it’s playing it safe and giving people back iron man but repackaging it as a classic villain which just cheapens the whole thing to me.
@MrAmadeus1998
Ай бұрын
It’s not genius, it’s desperate. But I’m interested to see how it turns out.
@bekhele
Ай бұрын
its so genius that he wouldn't do it or vote for lol
@user-hu6ny9gd2b
Ай бұрын
Cmon John. It is a desperate move and everyone knows it. Your argument about no one saying anything when Tobey and Andrew showed up in NWH is invalid because at that point, the MCU was in a good state and an overall positive track record. All of the MCU Spiderman movies up to that point have done well and adding Tobey + Andrew to NWH was just pure fan service to add pop to the movie. The same can be said for Harrison Ford. He was added as fan service but his CHARACTER played a narrative purpose to the movie. They could have casted anyone else as Doctor Doom but decided to play it safe by asking RDJ to come back because they know what he brings to the table. He'll make them money. NOT SAYING Im not excited about RDJ being back, I just think your argument isn't very thought out.
@TheCandyGamingChannel
Ай бұрын
Basically, if you’re doing good pulling a move like this is fan service but when you’re doing bad, it’s desperate. I know I’m butchering what you said but that’s what it sounds like on a surface level. Calling it desperate is dishonest when reality it boils down to a potentially really dumb move. Depending how it’s treated there’s a chance they’ll never explore the Reed and doom dynamic, similar to how early Spider-Man was more of a iron boy. But I’m sure he’ll have the flair and bravas that normal Doom has, as well as being extremely calculating and prepared for everything.
@munny_1206
Ай бұрын
It’s desperate because they are hedging their bets by taking what’s arguably the greatest Marvel villain & linking it to the most iconic character in the MCU
@camiloescobar1865
Ай бұрын
John didn’t get it and as always is licking the boots of marvel. In Spiderman everyone returned as their original characters, this situation is the face of mcu iron man returns as another character? That’s desperate how can people not see that
@Mtanic
Ай бұрын
But all the examples you gave were actors coming back to play the same characters... Not a whole 'nother one in a universe where actors are so tightly tied to characters. BUT: CAN'T WAIT to see how they explain it.
@Jsn_Glvr
Ай бұрын
The difference between the examples you gave and this one, is that those were for nostalgia and in some cases used to tie the old in with the new. In the case of Spider-Man we didn't know for sure Tobey and Andrew were going to be in it outside of just rumors. It wasn't confirmed until we saw the movie.
@josephatherley
Ай бұрын
John can be very obtuse at times on views he disagreed with. The situations are apples and oranges
@harrismatthew5553
Ай бұрын
They should’ve kept it a secret… could you imagine how huge it would’ve been to reveal this watching the movie. Marvel did this as a way of begging people to come watch their movies in theaters bc of their lack luster recent releases
@ginniesoh
Ай бұрын
Oh this was desperate for sure. It can still be a good story but who knows. To me it is desperate because it sounds like they are betting on something safe and nostalgia yet again. The main character for the MCU endgame saga is coming back for their next saga because the MCU didn’t work out last few years. It would be different if MCU did very well for their recent phase and then get RDJ back. They brought him back because they couldn’t succeed without him.
@ginniesoh
Ай бұрын
Russos + the old OG gang = all nostalgic strategy. Where is the risk? This is the least amount of risk that Disney is taking. Casting new folks is the REAL gamble and risk taking. Don’t agree with Campea that this is risky with the OG group.
@queenofnevers6990
Ай бұрын
This ‼️‼️‼️
@neromusic138
Ай бұрын
Between DC/ Marvel takes The Campea Show doesn’t give us honest takes. John is too worried about staying in good favor with both studios. He is almost like a executive producer in his own head
@andrewfigel9603
Ай бұрын
This is like bringing back Mark Hamill to be Darth Plagueis
@billyobfas6962
Ай бұрын
Would’ve chosen that over what we got with the sequel trilogy
@incognitomode24
Ай бұрын
Already sounds better than whatever they did so
@jasonthomas5793
Ай бұрын
They, the Russo brothers, mentioned the multiverse in their introduction to imply the reason for bringing RDJ back. So narratively, it makes sense for him to be a variant.
@TheLionKiller101
Ай бұрын
He definitely do the voice for him at least tho
@SuperJumper40
Ай бұрын
Did you just compare Luke Skywalker's return in a sequel to a trilogy in which he was the main character to RDJ's return, who plays a completely different character and is obviously just meant as fanservice because Marvel is desperately trying to somehow maintain interest in Avengers and their upcoming movies? Same goes for the other stupid comparisons.
@JAS44404
Ай бұрын
Did you even listen to the vid? lol there’s a lot of story potential here
@Levi_AttackonTitan0
Ай бұрын
Do you know Infamous Iron Man?
@atavious2491
Ай бұрын
BS
@chrisbrown113096
Ай бұрын
As long as the story is good and makes sense, who cares bro? You're ruining the fun of movies and comic book movies. Let's see how it goes.
@rayawira
Ай бұрын
Say whatever you like, we all know you'll still be there at movie theater on opening weekend.
@britratcliffe6285
Ай бұрын
nah brah this is desperate, its not remotely the same thing as Bringing Andrew Garfield or Harrison Ford back. Andrew garfield came back as spider man not the goblin. If they were bringing back RDJ as Iron Man in a multiversal way it would be one thing, this just reeks desperation and pandering.
@hugomartinez8803
Ай бұрын
To be fair it's desperate when you look at the way phase 4 played out
@GameManCZ2000
Ай бұрын
Nobody stays dead in comics
@johnnyweiner746
Ай бұрын
Oh sure like they were that desperate when they filed bankruptcy and had to sold their ip but this one actor cried desperation boo hoo
@ChanningChea
Ай бұрын
I love the MCU, but to say this is anything other than desperation is quite honestly cope. The movie could still be great, RDJ could still be great, that doesn’t mean this was always going to happen, Especially if the MCU was still performing successfully. Also, I do not see this as taking a risk at all.
@s-wo8781
Ай бұрын
Those aren't the same comparisons though. No Way Home had the previous actors playing the same character and Andrew's Spider-Man movies were not that well regarded compared to Tobey's plus people were still calling nostalgia bait on that movie abd with Deadpool & Wolverine similar situation but also different. Deadpool isn't the Avengers and wasn't even in the MCU until recently. And the situation with the state of Fox vs the MCU is completely different. People have sound arguments for seeing it as a cash grab.
@izzyfelix6367
Ай бұрын
All those characters came back because they were alive in their own universe. It’s not like Huge is coming back as Apocalypse. Lol I strongly disagree with this motion.
@Ludwig1970
Ай бұрын
The reason no one said “desperate” for any of those other characters is because none of those actors characters died. This is the first time they’ve brought back the same actor to play two different roles, one of which was killed. Now it may pay off and it may not but this absolutely feels like a desperation grab for hype knowing that almost everything after Endgame has been failing miserably minus a couple movies.
@heavyvonpootis1802
Ай бұрын
This comment right here ^
@Aaron-kj8dv
Ай бұрын
The fact that John has to misunderstand the argument to prove his point shows it was a desperate move. Bringing back Tobey Maguire isn't even close to the same thing, same with Luke Skywalker and Han Solo. They came back as their original characters and all of these people weren't leading movies as a new character. It's a painfully desperate move and a painfully desperate attempt to defend Marvel by John. This is Marvel's jumping the shark move.
@bullymaguire3385
Ай бұрын
Yeah exactly Tobey Hugh and Andrew played the same characters but Robert is playing 2 completely different characters in the MCU if it was Tony fine but Victor? No just no
@conormolloy1010
Ай бұрын
The difference with Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman coming back is that they were still the characters that made them who they were. RDJ coming back as another character in the MCU does feel desperate since many people say that the MCU died when Tony Stark died. It does feel like a desperate attempt to get those fans back and RDJ isn’t getting any younger. I just feel like it should have been another actor because it’s gonna be distracting seeing this guy who is Tony Stark play another character.
@evan9902
Ай бұрын
John this is very different than Tobey or Han Solo coming back. It’s not like he’s coming back in a supporting role/cameo for Secret Wars as Iron Man (which is what I would expect) which to me is just nice fan service like Tobey & Andrew in No Way Home (as long as it’s executed well). This is desperate because Dr. Doom is the big bad of this saga, the Thanos if you will. Marvel was absolutely in a rough spot after the negative reception to Kang and of course all of the drama surrounding Jonathan Majors, so they needed a new big bad. Instead of taking their time to develop Dr. Doom, Marvel is bringing in RDJ to establish some sort of connection between the audience and the character but it’s unfortunate because it’s a missed opportunity on bringing in that classic Dr. Doom into the MCU. Instead the audience (including myself) won’t be able to help but see an evil Tony Stark rather than Dr. Doom. That’s my take at least.
@incognitomode24
Ай бұрын
Everything you just said sounds like the exact move they should make
@evan9902
Ай бұрын
@@incognitomode24 thanks, appreciate it. Honestly I would prefer if they do another avengers movie before these next 2 just to establish the team.
@DanSaillant
Ай бұрын
In every other case you mentioned, actors were returning to play the same role they had previously. This is the same actor coming back to play a totally different role. The only way they can make this work is if they make this version of Doom an Iron Man variant--I'm not opposed to that in principle, but why would they choose this weird route of bringing in the character of Doom if Marvel wasn't acutely aware they're floundering?
@eNv3n0mX
Ай бұрын
Recasting Rdj is 100% the opposite of taking risk. Are you not smart at all? And comparing Hugh Jackman and Toby Maguire with Rdj also not smart. With those 2 Marvel did exactly what the fans wanted and asked for years. Nobody asked dr. Rdj. Even if it can work, its stil desperate and cheap.
@WhatamIdoinghere1
Ай бұрын
I don’t agree with your take on marvels desperation. The examples you gave were all characters that had not previously died and were brought back to play the same characters again. In this case you’re taking an actor who’s character had died and bringing him back to play someone else. This along with bringing back the Russo brothers all screams of desperation. This is not me saying I wont enjoy watching this when it comes out (I’m actually excited) but it’s hard to deny what I said above. I also don’t agree that this is a risk. I think that bringing back RDJ and the Russo brothers is the safest thing they could have done for box office.
@Rumblefiah
Ай бұрын
All the examples you gave are people returning as the same, beloved character. They are bringing him back as a different character someone else could and should have played
@shockwavez3208
Ай бұрын
I face palmed when he said that lmao I’m like bro that’s not even the same thing
@jaykamar5531
Ай бұрын
Come on John, you should be smarter than this. He’s not coming back as IronMan, he’s coming back as a different character so this is different and DESPERATE
@matteiden1683
Ай бұрын
You can defend this all you want, but this was a desperation move. Marvel hasn't been doing so hot as of late. Fans were mixed on most of the newer movies, She-Hulk was a bomb, and Kang was a total bust thanks to Majors. They needed something big. So they brought back RDJ to save them. Desperate. Desperate. Desperate. You finally have the rights to Dr. Doom and you decide to go with RDJ playing a varient Tony Stark/Dr. Doom? This doesn't excite me at all. This is like bringing Hugh Jackman in for the next X-Men movie as Magneto. It's really stupid. I wish they got someone else to play Dr. Doom. Let someone elses career take off from a Marvel movie role. RDJ's career was saved because of the Iron Man character. He turned it into gold. They did his character justice, especially with the funeral scene in Endgame which now seems irrelevant. As much as I love RDJ in the MCU, this seems like too much. I'm kinda tired of seeing him. I was glad when he left Marvel. And now we are supposed to suspend disbelief every time we see RDJ as Dr. Doom even though we'll all automatically think of him as Stark/Iron Man. Not hyped as of now.
@jaylinc2062
Ай бұрын
That’s why this works. Doom resembling a familiar fallen hero automatically builds an emotional connection with the audience and within the story for the Avengers. A new actor wouldn’t be able to do this with Zero buildup before Secret Wars. It’s not ideal, but it’s the best solution for the situation they were left with after Kang.
@spinky2234
Ай бұрын
Did Tobey Maguire come back to play Doc Ock? Did Hugh Jackman come back to play Magneto? No? Yeah so this is desprate
@Duma2011
Ай бұрын
You haven't proven your argument.
@dylansavoie7614
Ай бұрын
@@Duma2011no but still puts a hole in johns argument
@adriankmita
Ай бұрын
Don’t understand those who can’t see past Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark in the MCU… He can definitely pull off another character. I don’t see his performances as Iron Man, Sherlock Holmes, Chaplin and in Oppenheimer as the same guy.
@peterlenham3180
Ай бұрын
Sorry, I just see Stark in everything he does, you know why? Its because he is actually Stark....arrogant, smug, cocky, and an ego the size of Mars.
@adriankmita
Ай бұрын
@@LanceG007 how? Have you not seen him in anything else other than Iron Man? 😆
@adriankmita
Ай бұрын
@@peterlenham3180 so you haven’t seen him in anything aside from the MCU? 😆 Also, arrogant, smug, cocky, ego the size of Mars… You just described Doctor Doom 😆
@peterlenham3180
Ай бұрын
@@adriankmita Ive seen him in other things, but theres one thing you haven't realised. People will ONLY see Stark on screen, when they should be seeing Doom. Even if his acting is completely different, people will STILL see Tony Stark.
@ChrisOnStage2
Ай бұрын
Like thousands of others, I'm having a VERY tough time divorcing myself from RDJ Tony Stark and this "Dr. Doom" RDJ. Yes, I know that Chris Evans did it with Johnny Storm & Capt. America, but RDJ made his Tony Stark SO indelible, so perfect a character, so beloved in the MCU, that I (along with millions) can't see him as anyone else in the MCU! This, in my opinion, is a VERY BAD DECISION!
@atavious2491
Ай бұрын
Invalid.
@forcesensitive6371
Ай бұрын
It's stupid, weird and lazy
@Suge8263
Ай бұрын
I'm sorry John but it's called reading the room brother we all RDJ but nobody wants this and tbh it's kinda stupid more than Desperate d
@victoravila3275
Ай бұрын
Its soooo desperate john how can u not see that
@marinodejesus8024
Ай бұрын
His rant about desperation was dumb. All those characters came back as their original characters, not as some other brand new one.
@RMV1560
28 күн бұрын
It’s not the same thing. They brought back those actors to reprise the role they had in the past for a story purposes. Robert Downey Jr. is not back as Iron Man. He’s being cast as a completely different character. People are saying desperate because it shows potentially marvel doesn’t have confidence in hiring a new successful actor
@squattingnevil
Ай бұрын
Once again Campea totally misunderstands why people are saying desperate for the return of RDJ. Bringing back Toby and Andrew was for a story and they came back as the same character. RDJ is Doom, they are clutching at straws when they need to focus on story. But we shall see what they do. For me, it doesnt work, he's Iron Man, not Doom.
@nixus1909
Ай бұрын
You're gonna see the film anyway, that was the whole point of that announcement. They probably just doubled their revenue.
@cryaco5050
Ай бұрын
@@nixus1909 Most people would watch the film regardless of the actor playing Doom. Doubling the revenue doesn't make it a good move for the story.
@squattingnevil
Ай бұрын
@@nixus1909but who says I'm seeing it in the cinema? I didn't.
@squattingnevil
Ай бұрын
@@cryaco5050 exactly.
@justjoddat
Ай бұрын
You're not comparing the right things. He's not coming back to do what he did before. He's coming back to be Doom. So unless he's a variant of Stark who becomes Doom, it's pretty mid casting and I love RDJ.
@antyoung24
Ай бұрын
Garfield, Tobey, and Jackman already played these characters. The MCU needs a new face to play Doom
@terryharris8228
Ай бұрын
Exactly came back as themselves not a villain lol 😂
@ViperRT99
Ай бұрын
No, it's definitely desperate. The other two instances were fun fanservice to series that were going strong. No Way Home was before the mighty fall, and Deadpool is considered my of a Ryan Reynolds project of love that people flocked to instead of the standard MCU fare that came out after No Way Home.
@bullymaguire3385
Ай бұрын
Yeah exactly Tobey and and Andrew played the same characters but RDJ is playing 2 characters in the MCU
@Duma2011
Ай бұрын
Copium alert
@byron3549
Ай бұрын
The people you listed coming back, came back to play the SAME character. RDJ is coming back, expected to be looked at as a different PIVOTAL character after previously playing a centerpiece character in the MCU for 10 years, who he is synonymous with. Lazy and desperate move.
@mmadmbjm
Ай бұрын
It would be better if Dr. Doom never takes off his mask. Plus hopefully RDJ can create an iconic voice for Doom like Tom Did for Bane.
@Jrg44
Ай бұрын
You comparing actors who came back too play a character they ready played, too RDJ who’s playing a whole brand new character a big one in fact . When Iron man is the main guy in the mcu , not the same. When people see doom now many will think Ironman in the back of their head
@jonwilliams916
Ай бұрын
Tobey, Andrew, Luke, Han Solo, Hugh Jackman... ALL CAME BACK AS THEIR CHARACTERS! Bringing RDJ in as a completely different character, one who has 60+ years of lore that have made him one of the most beloved and most compelling characters in existence, seems like a desperate cash grab. It is a false equivalent to talk about Spideys and Wolvies and Warsies. "Tony Stark variant where Cap wasn't around to be his conscience and his Ultron moment turns him into a villain" would be a lazy dumb way to make Tony a villain. And I can see that happening. RDJ as Doom is a completely unnecessary decision to make that could end up wasting a great villain and potentially mucking up the legacy of a great character
@bonesf200
Ай бұрын
The difference is that Luke Skywalker etc came back as a continuation of the same character. It's Downey Jr coming back as a different character that makes it desperate.
@frankquinol
Ай бұрын
Exactly. It’s like bringing back Ewan McGregor to play someone else other than obi wan while still in the same star wars timeline.
@MadBeastTitan
Ай бұрын
Those instances you named aren't desperation. This is desperation cuz they aren't making the usual money they're used to and nobody is showing up to the theaters like they used to.
@Wolfhunter5607
Ай бұрын
idk i feel like it’s a bit desperate bc obviously kang and the multiverse saga isn’t going the way they thought it would so far. so their best solution is reintroducing one of the most popular marvel villains of all time to their huge fanbase by using iron man. hope it’s works out🙏🏾
@notyouraverageeli
Ай бұрын
The MCU was banking on Jonathan Majors playing Kang and when he got into legal troubles, Marvel decided to go into a different direction. You could say it’s desperate but at the same time people were not interested in Kang anymore and the next best thing was Doctor Doom. Could they have gotten a different actor? Sure and who’s to say RDJ is the main Doctor Doom? I look at this as “we’re rebooting the universe anyways so let’s bring him back to play the character”. There’s positives and negatives to this.
@arthurmorgan973-p2m
Ай бұрын
This reeks of desperation. Even if you’re somebody who’s excited about this you still have admit that this shows Marvel does not know how to fix their problems they’ve had in phases 4 & 5.
@TheGoon243
Ай бұрын
What exactly are they desperate for? If everyone wanted a new actor for doom, wouldn’t that choice be more exciting and hype? Marvel can still fix their problems with RDj as Doom.
@NickPeters-xy9tw
Ай бұрын
Even if it is desperate, who tf cares. I’d rather have them make a move like this than keep doing what they’re doing…and bottom line is it’s gonna be great so keep crying you’ll end up watching it regardless
@Morildrane
Ай бұрын
as usual, Campea insults people that have a different opinion, and his arguments are not honest. Han Solo and the other were alive, Tony Stark is dead. an equivalent desperate move would be bring Harrison Ford back to Star Wars to play a new character.
@mrr3ye5
Ай бұрын
I’m with Campea so cry more 😂
@reobeem
Ай бұрын
The reason people are saying it's desperate is cause Marvel had a bunch of projects that did poorly and lost money, the Kang story didn't work out cause it was poorly executed, and people are less trustworthy of Disney. It could be good but it's going to take a miracle to make this work.
@joshavila5024
Ай бұрын
John loves saying “for some reason” or “for whatever reason “ when there’s a blatantly obvious reason why people disagree with his opinion lol 😂
@phosimmie
Ай бұрын
I hope it’s a cop out and the real Dr. Doom murks the RDJ Doom.
@weuries6
Ай бұрын
It's desperate because they had to pivot so fast with the king situation.
@prabalvasudev6967
Ай бұрын
I mean it's a shit take John. No one would have a problem if they were bringing back Iron man. Your examples of Tobey, Garfield, han solo etc is stupid because they were playing the same character. This is like Tobey playing Electro in his own universe where he was spiderman. The problem is that it is a completely different character( no doubt RDJ will play it good) it would be better to have someone else.
@rajeebdas1724
Ай бұрын
I think it's a great move. While they could hire the best fresh actor in the world to play Dr Doom, bringing back RDJ and turning him into the biggest antagonist provides the much needed emotional connect that has been missing since Endgame. That is necessary because 90% of the audience haven't read a comic book. That is the truth. The MCU and Feige are not targetting comic book readers. They're targeting everyone. So , provided they can come up with a solid story, which time will tell , this could be a genius move. I'm all for it. After 30+ movies and the past successes of RDJ and the Russos , I'll atleast give them a fair chance. I think they'll deliver big time.
@2319woody
Ай бұрын
As all the comments say, not only is it a desperate move but it completely handcuffs Doom’s relationship to the Fantastic Four. This is our MCU F4, for them to swap Doom’s later down the road diminishes any emotional connection between them and the audience.
@sandeshrayamajhi6755
Ай бұрын
Rdj was the face of the MCU so its not same as Tobey and Jackman.
@Itsjust_alexp
Ай бұрын
Jackman was the face of the x man
@Itsjust_alexp
Ай бұрын
Toby was the only super hero we care for - for years.
@edisaac2199
Ай бұрын
its desperate because isnt playing iron man
@TheSmackerly
Ай бұрын
I does feel a little desperate but also exciting. All the examples given as double standards were very different cases. This feels in some ways that marvel knows they messed up focusing on Kang and had to scramble to adjust course. So they go with the safest bet of bringing back the directors while also bringing back the biggest actor. The multiverse has not been successful so they are going to try and fix it which you can't blame them.
@andrew1983
Ай бұрын
I already can see it, in Doomsday Dr Doom kills all the variants of Kang, and at the end of the movie there will be a Thanos snap cliffhanger where Dr Doom's face is revealed and the entire Avengers is shocked and all think he's Tony Stark, but he's like "nah I'm Doom"
@andrewfiorini8169
Ай бұрын
Yeah. This is my thought too.
@dukinhower
Ай бұрын
4:10 ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING THE SAME CHARACTERS FROM BEFORE
@rocky8080
Ай бұрын
He’s a doom playing a doom disguised as another doom
@otherdude9058
Ай бұрын
Lol I understood that reference 😂😂😂
@jadoef.m4131
Ай бұрын
John I get your point, but given that the reaction to rdj as doom is mixed. It isn’t because the fans are dumb, it’s because it really is a complex move by marvel.
@darthpelvis
Ай бұрын
Would rather have a younger actor that can play Dr Doom for many years and RDJ comeback as a variant of Ironman. How long can he play Dr Doom? Disappointing
@matteiden1683
Ай бұрын
I feel like Campea doesn't know what the word 'desperate' means or he doesn't want to admit the MCU was desperate. In order for someone to be desperate, they need help, aid, some type of assistance. You don't see a thriving company doing desperate things to survive. You see failing companies do desperate things to stay afloat. MCU has been hot garbage as of late. Thor 4 sucked. A lot of fans didn't like Doctor Strange 2, Captain Marvel 2 and Antman 3. She-Hulk bombed hard. They are pretending Eternals never happened. Jonathan Majors gets fired, thus Kang gets canceled. That's a lot of issues that MCU didn't face during the Infinity War saga. So yes, MCU is desperate. And if ya STILL don't think Marvel Studios needed help, you're most likely a fanboy.
@nixus1909
Ай бұрын
The MCU is FAR form a failing company lol you have no idea what you're talking about. Deadpool and Wolverine is about to make a billion+, define failing.
@matteiden1683
Ай бұрын
@@nixus1909 no one said it was a failing company. You missed the point. Congrats. I guess I really need to spell it out for ya. The point was companies not doing so hot do desperate things. Awesome. Deadpool & Wolverine succeeded. That doesn't save the current multiverse saga. They have had a slew of movies not do so well. Some box office disappointments. Majors getting fired and them having to change everything. TV shows not doing well. Come on, need I say more? They. Were. Desperate.
@izlude9283
Ай бұрын
Doctor Strange 2, Marvels and Black Panther is amazing and with the same level with some of the old Phases of MCU.. Yes Thor 4 was too much and Antman 3 was kinda let down.. Marvel series were really not the flagbearers of the franchise... Its about the expectation and high bar set by Avengers Endgame and No Way Home.. You're right bout the Kang stuff.. but he MCU needed a shifting gears. I don't think RDJ as Dr. Doom is a desperate move but rather a creative move to shift gears and make MCU storyline interesting again..
@matteiden1683
Ай бұрын
@@izlude9283they canceled Captain Marvel 3 and all future plans for that franchise. I don't think they considered it great. A lot of fans weren't happy with those movies. A lot of mixed reactions to Doctor Strange 2 also. Thor 4 was horrible. She-Hulk was a bomb all together. I still consider it a desperate move.
@nixus1909
Ай бұрын
@@matteiden1683 They have way more hits this saga than misses so 🤷♀️ They’ve only had like what 4 real misses?
@KilluaZoldyck-ij6lt
Ай бұрын
They took a chance on Hugh Jackman and now he's iconic. There are plenty of actors who could've had this opportunity with Doom
@VishantiTheGAWD
Ай бұрын
RDJ as Doom is the most creatively bankrupt thing you could do and its highly disrespectful to see a Romani character like Doom get whitewashed because Disney is evil and greedy that only appeals to the most mindless movie goer.
@jerrytaylor9793
Ай бұрын
really a white guy playing a foreign white guy is white wash stop it
@tylerscott2116
Ай бұрын
Guys, it's the classic Double Bait and Switch. They announce RDJ is Doom. (They swear he's Victor but nah I don't trust him he's Evil Stark Doom). So what's gonna happen is RDJ Good Tony Ironman is gonna return from another dimension, smash Evil Stark Doom. Then Iron Man's helmet pulls back and reveals it's RDJ, the audience looses their minds. And then Iron Man says, "Guys that's not the real Doom, but he's coming and we better get ready" They're only announcing that RDJ is Doom just to Bait and Switch and set up the return of RDJ as Iron Man, and to set Up the real VVDoom with the real actor associated.
@andreoliveira191
Ай бұрын
Its not desperate that they're bringing back RDJ, its desperate because they're bringing him back as Doctor Doom. Don't oversimplify
@thetinestavenger9863
Ай бұрын
That's ridiculous. The detractors said the MCU is dead without RDJ and Chris Evans. If they brought him back as Iron man, people would say that they're desperate and bringing Tony Stark back to life, and would mock Marvel for it. Instead they decide to take advantage of their multiverse gimmick to find a way to bring RDJ back as a different character, and people are still crying and calling it desperate. There's no winning for Marvel, people already made up their minds to hate anything that they do and would rather see them kept down and do nothing to right the ship and return to form. The same group of people who scorch the internet to fuel their hatred of everything.
@retror.d.1630
Ай бұрын
It’s very desparte and stupid! We have not even seen the original Doom, but Iron Man is going to play him? I don’t care if he’s a variant, he is freaking Tony Stark! 😡
@johnnyweiner746
Ай бұрын
@@retror.d.1630so you cant see rdj playing other roles other than iron man
@wernerheisenberg9464
Ай бұрын
Exactly
@goldenlightpictures6223
Ай бұрын
People did not say bringing back Tobey and Hugh Jackman was desperate because those actors reprised the roles that they wanted to see. This casting is more like if Tobey returned as Green Goblin in No Way Home or Hugh Jackman returned as Magneto in Deadpool.
@weuries6
Ай бұрын
Desperate because it's a different character,. I knew he'd be back for secret wars
@asarishepard8171
Ай бұрын
Heres why its desperate. Maguire, Garfield and hamills characters were still alive when they came back. . Downey died. So yeah it feels desperate.
@cesrom619
Ай бұрын
Absolutely
@chrismoore8813
Ай бұрын
Such a disrespectful display to from marvel towards one of their greatest characters villain or hero. A character like doom deserves their own image.
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