Can't wait for the inevitable RoboCop vs. TERFS movie.
@hakasims
5 жыл бұрын
Robocop: Your move, TERF. TERF: That's a misogynistic slur!!!! Robocop: *shoots her in the crotch*
@jedigecko06
5 жыл бұрын
That product does not exist. Please try another selection. thenib.com/bathroombot-the-gender-defender
@MorganLaVigne
5 жыл бұрын
Kids: YAY ROBOCOP! Robocop: STAY OFF KZitem.
@mathieuleader8601
5 жыл бұрын
@@hakasims that's what I call eunchfication
@meghan-d1108
4 жыл бұрын
@@hakasims To be fair, TERFs are delicate snowflakes who can't handle even the mildest form of criticism. They report-bombed a meme I made on Reddit depicting the science on transgender medicine as an RPG in any argument against TERFs and they succeeded in getting my account suspended. The worst part about that was knowing dozens of TERFs got notifications that they got a Trans meme removed, TERF joy is poison to my soul.
@LikeTheBuffalo
5 жыл бұрын
I'd buy _that_ for a dollar!
@cedricwublin9306
5 жыл бұрын
Robocop is one of those bits of culture which, like Rage Against The Machine, is liked by people it damns.
@bryanc7094
5 жыл бұрын
ULGROTHA Ughhh don’t remind me about the X-men...
@larshansson1953
5 жыл бұрын
Along with Verhoeven's Starship Troopers
@lucidnonsense942
4 жыл бұрын
The entire Warhammer 40K franchise...
@jacobfike3697
4 жыл бұрын
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price yep
@dayegilharno4988
4 жыл бұрын
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price Hahahaha you wouldnt believe... I've been rooting for the Empire myself as a teen back in '77 before I began to open my eyes to the world I live in!
@SirNotAppearing
5 жыл бұрын
mind blown: I've seen RoboCop about 30 times and it NEVER occurred to me how Murphy and Lewis are "designed" to look alike. Wow.
@turricanedtc3764
3 жыл бұрын
It is really interesting, though I think it was at least partially a happy accident. Apparently in early pre-production, Orion were considering Schwarzenegger for the role of Murphy/Robocop, but the effects team pointed out that they needed an actor with a slim physique to play Murphy because (as the video points out) the costume had to look plausible; on an actor with a bodybuilder's physique, the extra breadth and width the suit would need to move and function would look completely ridiculous.
@lobachevscki
3 жыл бұрын
@@turricanedtc3764 this is true, but the shared locker rooms and similar outfits (not more feminine ones for women) were decisions and those do remark the egalitarian nature of the police.
@Eddie62070
3 жыл бұрын
The actors share the same birthday too
@rigelb9025
2 жыл бұрын
@@Eddie62070 Maybe they're actually twins who were separated at birth.
@Eddie62070
2 жыл бұрын
@@rigelb9025 yeah you never know
@harvest5218
5 жыл бұрын
Lewis not being a cyborg in the sequel is the first time I was aware of Hollywood letting me down.
@BPLOL
5 жыл бұрын
As a kid I thought she would come back as a Cyborg in R2.
@harvest5218
5 жыл бұрын
@JohnnyTheWolf They probably thought that would be too different. It always seems to me that they want to try and "recapture the magic". See: Men in Black immediately bringing K back.
@jedigecko06
5 жыл бұрын
@@harvest5218 Annoyingly, a lot of sequels are: 'reset character growth to start; and tell same story again.' I want _more_ character progression! (Then again, I'd but Robocop 2 for a dollar...)
@jedigecko06
5 жыл бұрын
@@BPLOL As we saw a commercial for bionic hearts, she may have been 'fixed up' on the inside.
@the_chomper
5 жыл бұрын
if you havent ever seen the deleted scene where she is in the hospital at the end it explains she recovered, of course it was deleted therefore not canon i guess but meh robocop 2 wasnt the greatest anyway dont get me started on 3
@rbgg2010
4 жыл бұрын
"What's your name, son?" "Murphy." "Murphy what?" "...Murphy Skywalker."
@gamesseg
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha XD Nice
@anna-elizabeth
5 жыл бұрын
Note too, that as Robocop, Murphy's face has literally been attached to the machine-cranium. His face is rather a mask.
@shoesncheese
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a transwoman. Robocop was one of the three movies I had on VHS as a young trying-to-be-a-boy. I watched it so many times I can practically quote it from memory. I considered it a struggle about finding an identity apart from the ones that were forced upon you by family, society, and (literal) programming. I didn't catch the mirroring with Lewis or his wife. I saw it mostly in ED-209 which was incapable of questioning its role or making independent decisions. It was Murphy's humanity that made him able to change, to discover his true self and embrace it. And he was nearly destroyed for it. I never saw it as a "trans narrative", but definitely one about transformation, acceptance, and growth. I may need to go back and watch it again now that I've transitioned. Maybe I'll see something I never let myself see before.
@Zorato1
4 жыл бұрын
Mindblown! After watching this video and reading your comment i now understand i know nothing about this world! I need to get myself a life.
@elsanto2401
4 жыл бұрын
Huh, see about a year ago and I said that I didn't buy the Trans-reading. That makes a ton of sense; he's not equipped to articulate the gap between his identity as Murphy and his body as Robocop but it still causes him misery. Thank you for the comment; only a dialogue creates the fertile intellectual ground to understand something in a deeper way and not just as an iteration on pre-existing mental habits.
@chadopitz6883
4 жыл бұрын
God, this is beautiful
@swans184
4 жыл бұрын
I mean he's trans- or post- human, so there's thematic links fer sure
@Cugastratos
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed wholehearted. It was about transformation and discov
@Zombieskelper
5 жыл бұрын
I've always been very bothered by how long Dick Jones's arms are when he falls out the window, he could take his shoes off without bending over.
@CourtneyCoulson
5 жыл бұрын
That shot will annoy me until the day I die. Why couldn't they just green screen the actor falling? They would have had to superimpose the puppet on the same background. It's makes no sense!
@Draliseth
5 жыл бұрын
Pff. He could've flapped his way to safety.
@mowganashwey
5 жыл бұрын
😂 I have no words
@CorbCorbin
5 жыл бұрын
There was a time portal, he was tried in the future for time crimes, and then the effect of putting him back made it look as though he was Stretch Armstronging it. Simple.
@CorbCorbin
5 жыл бұрын
Draliseth 😆 Or just grabbed another building, like plastic man.
@Magnegro
3 жыл бұрын
As a kid, Lewis was my favorite female character in anything. I thought she looked cool, was cool, and I honestly modeled a bunch of OCs after her when I was little lol.
@TheyCallMeBruce13
5 жыл бұрын
Not trying to be a dick here, but it's wild to me that you can watch Aliens and come away with the idea that Cameron thinks that female strength comes from abandoning womanhood to act like a man. He's specifically saying the opposite - that's the whole purpose of the Vazquez character. They even have Hudson ask her if she's ever been mistaken for a man to really drive the point home. She's the most aggressive and violent member of the space marines. Meanwhile, Ripley's strength comes not from the masculine instinct to destroy, but in her embracing of her mothering instincts (you could certainly question the progressiveness of this message today in 2019, but for 1986, it's pretty good). She becomes strong to protect Newt. The film's iconic image is of Ripley holding Newt on her hip with one arm, and brandishing a flame thrower with the other. The climactic fight is between the two mothers (Ripley and the Alien Queen)! I thought the Robocop stuff was great, but I had to comment on this, as it's an issue I've considered extensively.
@n1w4
5 жыл бұрын
Robocop says Trans rights uwu
@akbarcaspian4630
5 жыл бұрын
Whats dose uwu mean?
@MLBlue30
4 жыл бұрын
@@akbarcaspian4630 Its like a face with closed eyes and a silly anime like smile.
@DoubleOProductions
3 жыл бұрын
it's all bullshit...Verhoeven had the actress slash off her hair to make her more tough and less aesthetically pleasing in order to fit into his ugliest depiction of a brutal society..one in which gender isn't an issue hence why the cops shower and dress together...just like they do in starship troopers... there is no way on this earth that the film Robocop is addressing ANY trans issues what so ever... of course in 2021 it's easy for people to attempt to read that there are trans issues in there...but there seriously ARE NOT
@MrSchlessel
3 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleOProductions sometimes someone can put themes in a movie by accident
@DoubleOProductions
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSchlessel nah it's just desperate liberals seeing what they want to see...
@Le_Marquis_de_Faux_Images
4 жыл бұрын
I always thought that Murphy lost his family due to him “dying”. If he lost his family before dying then it changes everything. Thank you for such an insightful reading.
@PetrieRobert
4 жыл бұрын
About the similarity between Murphy and Lewis. The cherry on top is this: Nancy Allen and Peter Weller share the same birthday - and by strangest of strange coincidences, today, June 24, is their birthday.
@BenChanNYC
3 жыл бұрын
One comment about James Cameron's female heroes Ripley and Sarah - that clip of Sarah in T2 was intended to show her losing her humanity, trying to become a killing machine to protect her future, not being a hero. That said, I agree that Cameron does impose traditional male heroic qualities on female characters to make them heroes, but in both those movies, they were motivated by wanting to protect a child. So I think his version of a female hero is jamming together extreme versions of both traditional male (strong fighters) and traditional female (protective mothers) qualities.
@terryflynn6927
8 ай бұрын
That's what bothers me most about Aliens. In the 1st movie she was simply a smart competent member of the crew. She assumed leadership bc she had to. There are no backstory. Everyone's motive (except Ash) was simply to survive. The idea that a woman is only a hero bc of motherhood is in itself a patriarchal idea, largely coming out of Christianity and the Mary myth. The most flawed scene in alien, is where she attempts to save the cat when her human crew members were in danger.
@doctorx3
5 жыл бұрын
IMO, once you get to the middle of the '80s, and all of the residual weirdness of the '70s is dead, you mostly have to look to indie and underground cinema to find the good stuff. RoboCop was the little movie that could, and I think that Verhoeven and co. got away with slipping a lot of things under the radar.
@doctorx3
5 жыл бұрын
See also: Heathers, Sex Lies and Videotape, Blue Velvet, The Fly, Drugstore Cowboy, Do the Right Thing, Married to the Mob, Cinema Paradiso, and Tampopo.
@The_gaming_archaeologist
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting reading of the movie to be honest. I had never thought of the movie in this fashion, but that's the beauty of art.
@aleczitzelberger8123
4 жыл бұрын
Aron Marczylo I think it’s more complex than that. Ever try getting a group of people to write a single piece of dialogue for a character at once? The sheer number of people mutes any individuals creative inputs, until only a common group identity survives.
@MAMoreno
5 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that the house tour scene is far more about his former home (and, by extension, his identity and humanity) becoming sterilized and commodified, and I'd read his punching of the TV screen as a futile--and very traditionally masculine--act of lashing out against the artificial face of corporate America, but I otherwise found the mirroring/doubling arguments quite compelling. I would also take a different read on his relationship with his family. While he is undoubtedly focusing on idealized memories, the memories may indicate his own insecurities about his masculinity more than they do any real disapproval from his wife and son. Murphy becomes obsessed over learning a gun trick that his son asked about in passing--and in a tone that suggests that he already idolized his father. So too, his mind latches onto a confrontational image of his wife, seemingly emasculating him with her disdain. In truth, though, he may have mis-remembered his wife's tone and body language precisely because he feels inadequate in his gender performance.
@owenlindkvist5355
5 жыл бұрын
"seemingly emasculating him with her disdain. In truth, though, he may have mis-remembered his wife's tone and body language precisely because he feels inadequate in his gender performance" BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....No.
@Ash-gtr32
5 жыл бұрын
I think he'd be more annoyed at being shot to death and not being able to see his family ever again. Gender roles and masculinity would be the last thing on his mind.
@MAMoreno
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ash-gtr32 If by "on his mind," you mean his conscious mind, then maybe, but I'm obviously talking about his subconscious motivations.
@owenlindkvist5355
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ash-gtr32 But...But...everything has to be about gender and subvertly mocking the male identity! -Triggered-
@revspikejonez
5 жыл бұрын
@@owenlindkvist5355 if you feel mocked, that says more about you than anything else, doesn't it?
@PatrickBoyda
5 жыл бұрын
10:50 so we transitively have Martine Verhoeven to thank as well for this gem of cinema for seeing what her hubby didn't right away. THANKS, MRS. VERHOEVEN!
@JackgarPrime
5 жыл бұрын
Clearly, the man has good taste!
@TheFunktipus1
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, she fished the script out of the trash. Definately a keeper
@lobonapier
4 жыл бұрын
The line "I really want to tell you something" and "I love you" are connected sentences that happen one after another, they're not separate scenes.
@JawsoneJason
3 ай бұрын
Watch again. They also happened separately
@Gerald5000
5 жыл бұрын
The trans theme seems like a stretch to me, but if one of my favourite movies of all time is even deeper than I thought, and more people can enjoy it on another level, that is awesome. I mean, I don't think I ever noticed that boardroom scene is one continuous take.
@janfranszuidema8512
4 жыл бұрын
Verhoeven has done wonderful continuous takes in most of his films. But Verhoeven's continuous takes are different from Welles, De Palma's or Scorsese's continuous takes, because he doesn't want you to notice them. They are only there to drive the story forward.
@ionvash
4 жыл бұрын
I was about to post about the same thing. I'm not completely convinced that the trans angle was intentional but it does add an interesting layer to the movie which is ostensibly about transhumanism and finding your own identity... And Verhoeven is genius enough that it could be exactly how he intended it to be interpreted so... What do I know?
@kostajovanovic3711
3 жыл бұрын
@@ionvash and people are mad in the comments
@ionvash
3 жыл бұрын
@@kostajovanovic3711 Misunderstood your comment at first, thought you meant I was mad...
@matthewalexanderlemma8000
5 жыл бұрын
Murphy/RoboCop, by film's end, favored the human side, the Murphy side, more, hence the final line being "Murphy," one of the more uplifting concluding lines I have ever heard. He was essentially reclaiming himself with just a one-word sentence.
@TheSerfsTV
5 жыл бұрын
Best believe the hype! Maggie is back!
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
:-D
@elsanto2401
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if I buy the trans reading, seems like a stretch. But a very interesting listen
@JinGalactica
5 жыл бұрын
that's the beauty of this movie. the message isn't shoved down your throat like, "oh look, CEO business men bad" since RoboCop saved the Old Man, and never really killed him in part 2.
@jevansturner
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It's a real stretch. Reading way too much into it. Deliberately choosing absurd interpretations of certain flashbacks. It's trying way too hard to apply a different meaning. Same thing as confirmation bias.
@gibbcharron3469
5 жыл бұрын
@@jevansturner She acknowledges that it's a stretch in the review itself, as much a thought experiment as a reading of the movie. Whether or not you think it's a valid reading, it is an interesting one.
@jevansturner
5 жыл бұрын
Gibb Charron that's the thing. It was so forced and cringe-worthy that I really felt I was wasting my time hoping for some actual insight or profound thoughts. Finishing the video, I really wished I had spent the time watching something else.
@elsanto2401
5 жыл бұрын
feel bad about my comment now. I don't think theres anything wrong with applying a theory, and the movie has enough body disassociation that I think it was a valid target but its just that reading it through the lens of toxic masculinity or the language of fascism has more explanatory power. Trans theory didn't work for me on this movie buy applying it generated some useful ideas such as Lewis being a metaphorical mirror to Murphy.
@thebaccathatchews
5 жыл бұрын
Huh. So that's why I always liked Lewis. Well done.
@janwestermeyer8426
5 жыл бұрын
That reading you´re presenting is making me kinda angry on the remake
@omalone1169
3 жыл бұрын
“Throughout the first years of our lives we were forced not just to internalize a few aspects of capital, but to build up a structure of internalizations. As our capacity for coherent natural self-regulation was systematically broken down, a new system of self regulation took its place, a coherent system, incorporating all the aspects of self-repression. We participated in capital’s ongoing project of colonization by colonizing ourselves, by continually working at the construction of a unitary character-structure (character armor), a unitary defense against all drives, feelings, and desires which we learned were dangerous to express. In the place of our original transparent relations to our world, we created a structure of barriers to our selfexpression which hides us from ourselves and others.”Jay Amrod and Lev Chernyi, “Beyond Character and Morality: Towards Transparent Communications and Coherent Organization.” Howard J. Ehrlich ed. Reinventing Anarchy, Again (San Francisco, California: AK Press, 1996), 321
@janwestermeyer8426
3 жыл бұрын
@@omalone1169 I am not firm in anarchist theory. How would you say self colonisation would not happen in other systems?
@omalone1169
3 жыл бұрын
@@janwestermeyer8426in theory it would mean alternative systems that are not dependent upon closing minds to function Gurdjieff the fourth way for example where people function outside our existing paradigms and go beyond basic conception Capital would not be there to make useless to ourselves
@alfiewillis4893
5 жыл бұрын
Also, I don't think there's enough contextual material in the film to support the trans identity theory. It's fairly clear that their marriage failed as a result of him being pronounced dead and re-shaped to fit into the RoboCop mold, and there's very little to indicate that they had marital problems beforehand. The only expression of traditional masculinity that we see Murphy try to conform to in the opening of the movie is with the gun, and I think that this is more an expression of heroism and being a hero than it is something strictly masculine; to support this, Lewis also has a gun and also finds the story Murphy tells her amusing, indicating that she can empathise with this. While I agree that Lewis is Murphy's mirror in the scene where she talks to him for the first time after his death, I don't think this is carried over at all into his conversations with his wife because she doesn't look like him and doesn't behave like him. Even in the difference between the moments where she says, "I really need to tell you something!", I don't see enough context to support the conclusions you're drawing. Ultimately the film does lampoon gender roles, but this is done to critique masculinism and patriarchal constructs, rather than a message about Murphy's gender identity. He no more conforms to masculinity than Lewis does, nor does he even try to in the early part of the movie. His involuntary transformation into the company's ideal of masculinity says a lot about how they perceive strength, but it doesn't tell me anything about how Murphy viewed gender beforehand. There's really nothing to indicate in his memories or in his behaviour that he's trying super hard to conform to traditional masculinity. By that standard, Lewis is also trying to conform to traditional masculinity, but we also know that isn't true. I think it's fun to entertain these possibilities, but in this particular case I don't see the structural support for the theory. The entire home sequence is a testament to how his humanity was stripped away and how he lost his family as a result of it.
@jman8904
5 жыл бұрын
do you feel better now?
@alfiewillis4893
5 жыл бұрын
@@jman8904 Sure.
@StealthMarmot_
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting take. People forget that a movie can have multiple meanings, and that half the story of a movie is written by the watcher. I think that a LOT of these things are a stretch and could easily have much different meanings, but that's because I'm watching it. A lot of this may not even be necessarily about being trans per se, but reclaiming those aspects of your personality that are coded by society as feminine and thus supposed to be rejected.
@francoissibiude7221
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for acknowledging Lewis’ epicness. I was deeply surprised how the honest trailer treated her !
@Frosty_CH
5 жыл бұрын
Okay but does Robocop go into a gay bar?
@hummens44
5 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a gay bar then, but it really is now
@Cyborganna
5 жыл бұрын
That was an "Anything Goes" Bar.
@thatsjustprime8096
5 жыл бұрын
You must have watched a different film than me.
@E1itetube
5 жыл бұрын
She is trying her hardest to let you understand she is completely nuts. Maybe to impress a les-bo or to get less prison time for the schoo1 sh0-0ting she has lined up.
@vin-cc9nk
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think robocop is saying that "cops are human" I think it's suggesting the opposite: that the function of being a cop is inherently at odds with being human, that's why robotic cops are in demand and that's a major source of the conflict between the robotic and human part of robocop. But hey thats just my opinion. (And I havent seen the film in a long time so I may be missing a lot, or maybe I'm just reading that way bc I don't like cops, idk)
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
It can say both! And it does!
@vin-cc9nk
5 жыл бұрын
@@MaggieMaeFish true, these positions are not as incompatible as I first thought!
@J____L
5 жыл бұрын
Robocop is what people mean when they say "not all cops."
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
@@ShadowACE1998 How are you enjoying the "Coaching Red Pill" channel you sub to?
@ShadowACE1998
5 жыл бұрын
@@MaggieMaeFish Meh. To be honest I got bored after a few videos and stopped paying attention to it.
@revspikejonez
5 жыл бұрын
@@ShadowACE1998 we get it, you're a racist with no attention span.
@CorbCorbin
5 жыл бұрын
Logan Cracraft He’s hunting known criminals, who are at the least guilty of attempted murder, armed robbery(highest level), and numerous other small charges. Part of Verhooven’s genius is how he has the protagonist act as judge jury and executioner, such as blowing the balls off the man assaulting the woman, or the lab where he busts in and kills anyone that he feels threatened by. It’s fear of the future privatization of the police, where we’re basically under Marshal Law. Unarmed civilians are shot by the police with little or no consequences, far too often. As well as invasion of privacy, and escalations of non threatening situations. When there is no consequences for harassing a citizen, because of a hunch, or a stereotyping, etc., abuse of power has become the norm. Robocop
@jmlindsey90
5 жыл бұрын
no
@Teejturtle
5 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting view on the film. I've always loved RoboCop, even as a wee baby who shouldn't have been watching it. I've personally never seen it that way so it's nice to hear someone speak on it like this. It really does have so many layers and that's why I've enjoyed it even more as I've grown older and my world views have broadened.
@DerDieDasBoB
5 жыл бұрын
Paul Verhoeven is a beast, Robocob is just another example how good he can tell storys and even today the efx looks amazing.
@RetroCynical
5 жыл бұрын
Robocop is a social commentary that ultimately touches on what makes someone human whilst showing the folly of corporations. It also shows how money overrides democracy and how America's political system is a farce (or at least how it could become a farce). Robocop being a trans icon? I'm sure if you look hard enough you could find things to justify the claim, but I don't think that's the intention. All forms of art can be interpreted differently from person to person though. That being said, if you want some intended trans related symbolism/metaphors I swear the Matrix is full of them.
@CorbCorbin
5 жыл бұрын
Retro Cynical It’s also about how capitalism will lead to a bigger gap between the wealthy and the poor. How the number of poor grows, when everything becomes privatized. There were some who thought that cities were going to privatize police, just as the prison system did. Verhooven has us rooting for a cop who can kill at will, depending upon the situation. Even when he doesn’t kill, he shot the balls off of a man who was assaulting a woman. How many women, in the moment, wouldn’t say yes to having their rapist’s, even if just attempted, balls shot off? It’s a nod to the Judge Dredd comics as well. A Mega City, corporate police, gentrification on a large scale, with the crime so bad that police can’t handle it. And of course, the “man” is funding the crime to make the area worthless, so everyone will sell. He put a lot into the film.
@jasonblalock4429
5 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, one of the things that distinguishes art from other uses of media is that art *endures.* It remains relevant over years and decades, with new generations finding new meanings in it. I doubt Verhoeven and/or Ed Neumeier literally intended Robocop to be a movie about transsexuality, but the smart way it plays with non-binary concepts means it can be seen by viewers as applicable to all sorts of situations - transsexuality included. (And what's really funny to think is that with current trends in transhumanism and body modification being as they are, it probably won't be too many decades until the movie can be taken absolutely literally, and Robocop is held up as an icon among cyborgs.)
@psi9899
5 жыл бұрын
The directors of The Matrix are two transwomen, I think
@TheCaptainSlappy
4 жыл бұрын
It's to shoe-horn nu-age garbage ideals into an old movie. The irony of a corporation of over-commercialized internet sex-based body-part worship disguised as "unique", applied to a sexless Robocop and OCP does not escape me.
@xBINARYGODx
4 жыл бұрын
any read of a movie is dead-author stuff, unless you are just restating something the creator already made clear. One being one you dont happen to like changes nothing. Also - "new age"? What is this? 1992? LULZY
@MyssBlewm
5 жыл бұрын
3:40 This is said just days after Burger King rolled out their "Not Always Happy" Whopper meals.
@Draliseth
5 жыл бұрын
"She also doesn't shed her femininity..." Nancy Allen had several haircuts until Verhoeven was satisfied that her look was neutral enough for her to not be considered a romantic interest for Murphy. Jussayin.
@Crazy_Diamond_75
5 жыл бұрын
She still looks feminine though, just not sexualized.
@cedricwublin9306
5 жыл бұрын
A counterpoint to the James Cameron point. That shot of Sarah Connor IS her attempting a masculine "let's shoot the problem away with our guns" solution. But the narrative immediately shows how this is a wrong headed move, and how it takes a toll on her emotionally. She suffers by becoming a terminator macho lady lone gun doing it alone. She wins through collaboration with others and learning to trust. Also, as far as the writing of badass female characters in action movies who aren't trying to be ultra masc/macho to be badass... Rose from Titanic?
@kryptonicification
5 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you. I love this video, aside from her overlooking the narratives complexities in Cameron's films with regards to their female heroines.
@cedricwublin9306
5 жыл бұрын
@@kryptonicification I wouldn't say Fish is wrong or overlooking stuff exactly. Like, I think I'd agree that Cameron's understanding of badass women is rooted in motherhood (especially since his actual mother was a WWII fighter pilot badass lady). It's just, in my reading of his films (as opposed to Fish's), I don't think the portrayal is of macho=good uncritically and consistently. Both readings are valid.
@StarNate2112
5 жыл бұрын
You have given me an entirely new appreciation for the "They'll fix you, they fix everything" line and I can't thank you enough! Also, IT'S SO OBVIOUS they're doubles... So OBVIOUS I never saw it before! I am LOVING your videos; please keep it up!
@BeCurieUs
5 жыл бұрын
You can tell when you love something when the theory crafting reaches these depths!
@ak2wa2or
5 жыл бұрын
i enjoy your enthusiasm as much as i do your analysis!
@DarrenJSeeley
5 жыл бұрын
Maggie,I think you're great. But while you made some good points regarding duality and the cinematography and editing choices, you lost me near the halfway mark. I suppose it could be said that films dealing with transformation, especially the subgenre of cyberpunk, can get metaphoric with LBGT themes from time to time it's still open for subjective interpretation. My take is something more organic, however. Consider the scene in where Murphy, as RoboCop has the PTSD memory of his murder. On a monitor, we see a few fuzzy images of Clarence giving off the POV headshot. Murphy gets a fraction of his memory back over the course of the film, with context becoming more clear. Those memories are in no particular order: TJ Laser ad/son looking up to his police officer dad. "You are a hero in my eyes" Halloween, which includes the photo and quite possibly Murphy's wife telling him she loves him.. His death. (Follow up EDIT: these fragmented memories are in a 24 hr period before his "death"; this means it took 2 1/2 months for him to be rebuilt as RoboCop, given the drunken OCP NYE scene) The morning of him going to work that morning of his death isn't a memory from his POV, as he would be driving to work and he can,in his final moments, imagine that his family is waving him goodbye.(EDIT :it could be his rear view mirror) it was clearly stated that Murphy was a transfer on short notice. There is nothing to suggest that his marriage was on the rocks. The idea that he "becomes" his wife in his memory is flimsy. In most marriages,spouses do have life struggles, but responsibility is shared (or should be) so he would see her as an equal. If there is any strain on the marriage it would be work related, as there are a high number of officers being wounded and/or killed in the line of duty and the OCP meddling is an indirect (or direct) cause of this. Instead, both wife and son are "proud" of Murphy because he is a police officer. Murphy even tells Lewis this, when he references TJ Laser. (how did you miss that?) It is possible that Murphy's wife is frustrated that he was transferred in a more dangerous and challenging precinct (Metro South, I guess is more laid back?) but it isn't really her husband's fault so she has to tell him she loves him as the next morning he will leave for the new assignment. This will be one of the last things she will say to him.Makes perfect sense. RoboCop having the TJ lazaer inspired gun twirl might be due to Murphy's subconscious memoryas he considers it is what a "good super hero" might do; but there's also a chance it was part of RoboCop's programming, as pop culture and consumerism influences the inventions,concepts and media. Okay,maybe the data spike is flipping off Cecil, I'll give you that much. When RoboCop/Murphy goes through his old house, the virtual real estate agent's tone is seen as adding insult to injury. Why was the Halloween photos and the coffee mug left behind, with nobody packing them up or throwing them away? My interpretation was that,Murphy's wife,upon hearing her husband's death, got upset and smashed a few things in anger....once she seen "RoboCop"on TV news. It's more likely her rage was on the day her husband died on the operating table, an OCP and other companies may have owned the house, so she would have to move out soon.. But either she or her son put these items/memories out in the open to warn the next family as "corporations" like OCP ruin lives. Murphy's humanity is ripped from him.His identity as a husband an father is gone ("I can feel them,but I can't remember them") but during the course of the film he gets part of that identity back. First the memories and thoughts. Then the "eye opening", Soon the visor comes off. Then the end, which calls back to an earlier scene with Morton and Lewis ("He doesn't have a name. He is our product") that's why there's satisfaction when The Old Man asks "What's your name?" and Murphy gives his own name. Earlier, he refers to himself in third person, suggesting by thistime when the Old Man asks, RoboCop would rather be human again, or at least giving "Murpphy" the proper respect he deserves. *whew* Keep the peace -DjS
@Cyborganna
5 жыл бұрын
Fucking spot-on. 👏👏👏👏👏
@chpsilva
5 жыл бұрын
Amen, brother. The mental contorcionism required by the author of this video to force the idea of a LGBT motivation is mind blowing. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.
@DarrenJSeeley
5 жыл бұрын
@@chpsilva I wouldn't go so far as to say Maggie was forcing anything. Subjective interpretations, right or wrong, that's the cigar. While most of my response above was from memory, shortly after posting I rewatched the film, and edited in two more minor , yet significant, observations,..one of which skated right by me because I never gave it much thought (Murphy's 'death' being November 1st) . I will give some credit where it is due: it gave me an excuse to watch the film again.
@lewa3910
5 жыл бұрын
Jesus fucking christ your projecting alot of feelings!
@lewa3910
5 жыл бұрын
@@Cyborganna not in the slightest actually :)
@herschelsinglee
5 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to say, but you've totally over analyzed this movie. Inserting things/making things up that was never the intention of the script writers. Almost ruined the movie for me,... Almost.
@herschelsinglee
5 жыл бұрын
@@belteshazzarx2568 I agree, it's down to the viewers interpretation, but this review just takes thing totally over the top with its analytics.
@turricanedtc3764
3 жыл бұрын
16:14 - That's a really interesting (and valid) interpretation, and to be honest I hadn't noticed the difference in the takes used until this was pointed out. I can't help but think, though, that on one hand it might be as simple as the editor or director preferring the framing or delivery of the actor's second line ("I love you") in the second take. On another hand, I recently watched videos of some panels and interviews with the case and crew of the movie, and one thing that Peter Weller mentioned was that in the original script, Lewis's "Murphy, it's *you*" and confronting Emil at the gas station happened before Robocop's dream/memory of Murphy's murder (and he pointed out that the "standard" Hollywood storytelling method has physical stimuli trigger the metaphysical realisation). According to Weller, Verhoeven emphatically insisted that the "dream" had to happen first - that Murphy's "soul" had to begin to reassert itself on its own, and then have his soul drive his subsequent perceptions and actions. So how about this for an idea? The first time we see flashbacks is when Murphy is being worked on in the ER. Murphy is consciously aware that his body has been irretrievably maimed and that he has almost certainly been mortally wounded - he is obviously and understandably afraid of dying, and so the flashbacks represent moments in his life where he felt fear and concern. Being a good role model to his son in a crapsack world ("Can you do that, Dad?"), his family waving goodbye (as he knows he's been transferred to a much more dangerous precinct), and his wife confronting him ("I really need to tell you something") without the resolution we see later. Could it be possible that this version of the flashback is a representation coloured by the fear that Murphy's soul felt on hearing those words - another example of the "dream"? For what it's worth, my interpretation of the flashbacks we see later when Murphy (as RoboCop) walks around his former house is that on some level, Murphy's soul is trying to present those events as they actually happened without the veneer of fear - he *was* an honourable man, a good father, part of a happy family, and his wife *did* love him. Peter Weller does an extraordinary job through physical acting (19:00) of expressing the mounting rage of Murphy's soul as he realises what was taken from him, and to my mind the virtual realtor's "Have you thought it over?" is another example of the crass corporate attitude which dismisses the loss of his home, family and life as just another business opportunity. Sorry for the ramble, I hope this makes sense and seems interesting.
@MadDogsVlog
5 жыл бұрын
You seem to see way too much phallic imagery, you should get that checked out.
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I can't take messages for Mr Verhoeven. If you'd like to send him this message, you'll have to find him on twitter or something!
@cobe656
5 жыл бұрын
This video is an example how people can find whatever meaning they want to in film if they look hard enough. Even if it is completely wrong.
@trekjudas
5 жыл бұрын
The Matrix is absolutely a trans metaphor.
@trekjudas
5 жыл бұрын
The Wachowski's wanted to be more overt with it but Warner bros shot them down. It was 1999.
@TCM215
5 жыл бұрын
How?
@trekjudas
5 жыл бұрын
Neo’s transformation into the one is story of his evolution into the person he was always meant to be. Despite being told by society he is someone else.
@trekjudas
5 жыл бұрын
Scott Martin Neo and Trinity look exactly the same. That’s not an accident.
@trekjudas
5 жыл бұрын
Scott Martin plus the WAchowskis wanted switch to be male in the Matrix but Warner Bros shot that down.
@anando123
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting read, but sounds like an imposition of 2019 talking points on a late 80's movie.
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
Ah, so you're arguing that the Cyborg Manifesto was actually written in 2019, then fell into a wormhole and traveled back to 1984? I'd watch THAT movie!!!!
@anando123
5 жыл бұрын
Maggie Mae Fish So would I.
@Rbills02
3 жыл бұрын
You seem to of missed a part of the wife saying she needs to talk. It is shown later that she was just playing with him and that what she “needs to talk” about is that she “loves him”. Murphy seemed to have a very idealic family life, which makes his trip down memory lane all the more heart breaking.
@kennethbailey9802
5 жыл бұрын
This is the craziness shit I've ever heard regarding this movie.
@otakuribo
2 жыл бұрын
My little trans heart is breaking 😭💕🏳️⚧️ I didn't watch this movie as a kid bc it was too violent and scary, I didn't watch it as an adult bc i assumed it was just a violent sexist old action movie. And now I'm crying my eyes out over here bc I'm a year and a half into transition and I just found out that I'm RoboCop. Thanks Maggie!
@The_Reviewist
5 жыл бұрын
I'd have been interested to see some thoughts on how some or all of this fits (or doesn't) into the remake.
@dajoler
5 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting take on the film that I've never really come across before. It's kind of cool actually. Here's my take though -- I think Robocop is really more about someone discovering their asexuality. In the sequel, they make a big deal about Murphy being the only one able to survive the procedure. The other officers they tried to turn into cyborgs kill themselves after they lose their bodies, and with it, the ability to have sex and feel sexual pleasure. See, Robocop is Murphy's true identity, even before he was murdered. His wife has taken to wearing seductive bathrobes in what seems to be in the middle of the day because Murphy has stopped having sex with her. He has one son -- this was filmed in the 1980s, at a time when birth control was kind of shit. Murphy should be the father of at least three children yet he seems to have stopped at one. When he's resurrected as Robocop, he remorselessly emasculates a rapist; not castrate, which only removes the testicles, but emasculates him and renders him a screaming heap. He is no more sympathetic to the female victim. For Murphy, sex means nothing and has always meant nothing. His two "phalluses" in the movie, as you mentioned, offer no pleasure. His gun is for work and his interface spike is for gathering information. Even ED-209, his primary robotic rival looks like a walking uterus and fallopian tubes and Murphy has to run away from it and blows it up with a gun near the end. The very idea of sex repulses him and this is the key reason why he was able to exist as a machine for justice. You also spoke of foreshadowing -- Murphy shoots a rapist in the dick as his first mission. He regains complete control of his identity toward the end by shooting another dick, a man literally named Dick Jones. Fore-fucking-shadowing.
@JackgarPrime
5 жыл бұрын
This is more how I see it, too. Not that he was struggling with necessarily being feminine, but more with how he wasn't naturally masculine. He still wanted to be a strong role model for his son, but couldn't quite be "manly" with the boy like society expected him to be. That's why he spent so much time practicing how to emulate his son's (presumably very masculine) TV hero. But either way, he still wanted to be a good parent, and those emotions were strong enough that they helped him break out of the emotional deadening (and hyper-masculization) that OCP forced upon him. Murphy, from the amount of time we spend with him before he got shot to pieces, was seemingly empathetic, friendly, and didn't seem particularly worried about people's gender roles outside of the one he was desperately trying to live up to for himself (he completely acknowledges Lewis as an equal without hesitation, something VERY rare in 80's action films, even ones with female leads). He wasn't macho, even though part of him thought he was supposed to be because that's what society tells him he should be. And the time he tries to be a big tough hero, he gets literally destroyed for it.
@Enforcer6k
4 жыл бұрын
This is now my favorite reading of RoboCop. Thank you.
@ArturGlass.C
4 жыл бұрын
Omg I love that. Thank you. I never really saw it like that when I was younger. Would have helped with accepting my own asexuality.
@damianstarks3338
Жыл бұрын
Perfect in depth comment.
@damianstarks3338
Жыл бұрын
@@JackgarPrime your in depth comment is pretty spot on.
@benzur3503
5 жыл бұрын
This reading is forced, and I still love it
@Maxislithium
5 жыл бұрын
I always felt that Robocop's lips were extremely feminine. The way he walks reminds me a little of someone new to high heels. The awkwardness of his proportions and how he moves always mirrored the appearance of a man in drag to me. I think this is a less forced reading then you give it credit for.
@citizenspencer8057
5 жыл бұрын
all the best readings are forced
@benzur3503
5 жыл бұрын
Maxislithium I mean to say there isn’t any conclusive evidence from the text that necessitates the reading. Not that the meaning is not within the text, but that it’s not directly expressed. Most of the evidence used in the video are based on Freudian inferences and on mannerisms which are subtle and thus can be read in many forms. Just as the narrative of toxic masculinity does not invalidate the narrative of coming to terms with non cis experience or probably many other readings of this movie that I’m not aware of and definitely exist for this cult classic. The author is dead and there is no meaning outside the text. And this reading is fun and inspiring. I do not see it without some forcing of certain gestures to mean ALOT more than what is apparent on viewing by anyone who doesn’t consider the idea of it as a metaphor for trans experience. But those forcings do add to the character depth and do not contradict anything else in the movie. In any text there’s no direct connection to the real world and without any real thing to reference, as long as it doesn’t contradict anything within the logic of the world, any contingent reading is acceptable And this one is fun & allows expression for experiences which are hard to convey directly. So hurray for enabling expression, whether it was meant by the author, a valid necessity of the logic of the text or just harmless musings, interesting readings are interesting by their merit.
@Draliseth
5 жыл бұрын
@@benzur3503 Thank Cybernetic Christ. I was reading through these comments feeling as if someone secretly stuck crazy pills in the chimechanga I had for lunch. Thank you for that cathartic breath of fresh air.
@Boonorp
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with your take on feminism in this movie, but your take on James Cameron's movies is just dead wrong.
@berkleypearl2363
4 жыл бұрын
There are lots of folks who really don’t get the trans interpretation of this movie and that makes sense. The main message of this film is more easily read as a critique of capitalism, authoritarianism, and toxic masculinity. But there is nothing wrong with seeing into a story and finding aspects that mirror ones own experiences. There aren’t a lot of movies where the man identifies with a women who maintains her femininity. This unique aspect of the movie opens it up to more interpretations and viewpoints. If the thought of trans people seeing themselves within the story of Robocop makes you angry you might want to ask yourself why?
@jamesderosa2041
5 жыл бұрын
The James Cameron dig was sort of weird. I assume it’s in reference to Linda Hamilton and Sigourney Weaver? He only created one of the characters those women portray. Would you call Rose Dewitt or Lindsey Brigman soldier moms? Also, Sarah Conner is kind of hapless and scared in The Terminator. Until the very end, everything that happens is sort of beyond her comprehension and out of her control. And again, Cameron did not create Ellen Ripley..... So I guess all we’re left with is T2? That’s his only movie with a soldier-mom of his own devising that I can think of. Unless Jake Sully has some kids we didn’t hear about....
@JustCozItsMe
5 жыл бұрын
In my personal experience of trying to achieve the hyper masculine traits expected of me by my (grand)uncles between the ages of 11 and 20 (father out of picture completely, was/is incarcerated, parents were addicts, brothers and sister raised by grandmother since I was 6 and Im oldest for backstory) then finally snapped cause I couldnt meet the expectations they/I had set. Ended up diving deep into my own Jungian anima, after a few years contemplating who I really was, I became more secure in myself than ever before. Its easier to know yourself when youre not trying to fit somebody elses mold, a mold they dont even understand was also forced upon themselves originally and how much it stunted them.
@ShootingStarNeo
5 жыл бұрын
Stuck between binaries... Robocop, a nonbinary icon?
@stephendaley7255
5 жыл бұрын
Maggie, please do a video about Starship Troopers and Gremlins 2.
@MoonAlongMyHead
5 жыл бұрын
Bring the Fish, family, I don't know if I can hold on any longer XD
@lizhasasthma
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Maggie for reminding me of why I love Robocop so much!
@dayegilharno4988
4 жыл бұрын
"I never really used to 'get' the '80s..." I've been there and I didn't really get it, either... XD
@TnagerSugus
4 жыл бұрын
I think its important to note, that in my opinion femininity is not the opposite of hyper masculinity, not even masculinity. Core ideas of rejecting programing, social expectations or whatever its called does surely applay to trans persons inhertly. But I think the movie is more about answering the question "Is that I?"
@Piemanthe3rd
5 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic analysis! I just wrapped up my masters this past year and I was studying masculinity in history. Videos like this are always so great to me as they both remind me why masculinity and hypermasculinity are important to study but also just remind me of how much fun I had studying them
@leonardvole9760
4 жыл бұрын
TERMINATOR: You are a machine. ROBOCOP: I identify as human. TERMINATOR: Then you choose termination. ~Actual dialogue from Mortal Kombat 11. Looks like Netherrealm studios is also a big proponent of the trans theory! Which only makes sense as Stephanie Brownback, one of most well known members of the studio, is MTF.
@19822andy
10 ай бұрын
It is a terrible trans allegory in my opinion. His "transition" leads to him being owned and unsure of who he actually is. He can never attain true happiness and he is trapped in his new body longing to be back with his family knowing it is an impossibility. Murphy did not opt for his change, it was forced upon him against his will.
@omar_padilla
5 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah you should consider keeping the title of film school with Maggie Mae Fish, it's got a good ring to it ya know k great job.
@ince55ant
5 жыл бұрын
big fan of Paul Verhoeven and really enjoyed this take. great video!
@jujucatjuca
5 жыл бұрын
robocop said trans rights
@TheGoblinoid
5 жыл бұрын
While it's refreshing to see Robocop put through the lens of feminism (As opposed to the billion marxist video essays on youtube), I wish this movie was this woke.
@PetraArkanian59
5 жыл бұрын
I never thought that anyone could give me a reason to need to re-watch RoboCop!! But now I must!!!! Love this perspective!! ♥️🔥
@samuelfaict5755
5 жыл бұрын
So much nonsens here. So much contradictions with the official directors comment of the movie. Please check the directors comment out, that's the only way to learn how a professional thinks creatively. In this video you only hear intellectual gymnastics and over analyzing minor details. This remembers me of the movie/documentary "Room 237", a complete wacko analysis of the movie The Shining.
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
Okay, I'll bite! Which "official directors comment" did we contradict?
@RoshenRodesh
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I had to stop the video in the end, because the reading of Trans, and all of that into the film was just ridiculous. Robocop is about a mechanical Jesus, coming back from the dead to save us. As well as a satirical critique of the Eighties, and Reganomics. Rob Ager of Collative Learning is far, far better at this, and has produced excellent insights on the film, along with many others. I recommend him over this individual any day.
@RoshenRodesh
5 жыл бұрын
@@MaggieMaeFish Er... "we?" Is this a group channel, or a Royal "we," or a reference to multiple voices in your head?!?
@samuelfaict5755
5 жыл бұрын
@@RoshenRodesh I agree 100% with you! I had to cringe so hard at the trans-analysis part that my faced deformed and went into toxic-waste-man-"Emil" mode. What you mention is exactly what I mean by reading so hard into the material that you start to see things that aren't there, inventing questionable theories that have nothing to do with the primary setup of the screenwriter, director and all the craftsmen involved. This is bad and damaging way of initializing films. If you do that amount of intellectual gymnastics, you start to see the face of Kubrick painted in the clouds of the opening of The Shining like some crackpot critics claim in the "documentary" Room 237. Sometime a cigar is just a cigar. AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST TRANSGENDERS!!! (I just wanted to mention this before somebody calls me out as a trasphobe) I HAVE EVERYTHING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ANALYZE MOVIES POORLY!!! (I'm a "bad-film-analytic-O-phobic")
@RoshenRodesh
5 жыл бұрын
@@samuelfaict5755 Kubrick certainly had hidden messages in his work, but face in clouds? NO. Things like the name of the prostitute - Domino - that Doctor Bill encounters in "Eyes Wide Shut," are what to look for - Domino happens to be a type of mask. Kubrick produced films that are certainly meant to make you think, but it's possible to go too far. Honestly? if people want to think I'm a transphobe for what I've said, let them. I know what I am - and am not. If people want to be silly, and throw slurs at me unfounded... why care? Just have them out of your life, and carry on. Life is too short to get het up on such matters, in my opinion. Hope your face is less Emil now, by the way! :D
@Shadowfolk369
5 жыл бұрын
I think this is the first I've been excited about watching Robocop again. Thank you
@Sirmenonottwo
5 жыл бұрын
There is definitely some "Room 237"-esque analysis here both for the better and the worse but over all I like unusual film analysis. If Paul Verhoeven is some super genius director I wouldn't be so skeptical of this analysis. I think a lot of the perceived deepness comes from the unintentional elements of certain scenes and directorial decisions for example the witch being on the wall in the Halloween picture and the store owner and Emil laughing really hard at that stupid show. Because I believe those things were truly unintentional they don't fit into the analysis, like how in "Room 237" the manager of the overlook walks around his desk to shake Jack's hand and the film analyzer pauses it on a frame where the paper holder on the managers desk is in front of his pants and the analyzer claim that the paper holder represents a huge penis and something something a power dynamic. Its like, yes there is a power dynamic but what evidence does this person have for the paper holder intentionally resembling a huge penis on that particular frame.
@JasonChapa
5 жыл бұрын
The purest 80s action hero, with the added benefit of not being aligned with fascist shills.
@patrickmoler8025
5 жыл бұрын
Robocop can be scene as a subversion of fetishized violence. He is a eunuch. He is a masculine image that is no longer a sexual being.
@hazchem1
5 жыл бұрын
no love heart for atrocious spelling.
@royoconnor8646
5 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing to see someone give a brief criticism and discussion of James Cameron’s female characters. I want to see somebody ACTUALLY have a conversation about Ripley.
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
Cool I'll do a vid on Ripley!
@royoconnor8646
5 жыл бұрын
Maggie Mae Fish dope :D
@jamesparsley5796
5 жыл бұрын
@@MaggieMaeFish That would be great because right now I have no idea what in your eyes separates pushing the boundaries of femininity as opposed to "shedding your femininity", especially when Lewis showing empathy with Murphy counts as her expressing her femininity whereas blowing up the bad guy whilst crawling through sewage and being in unimaginable pain doesn't count as "shedding her femininity" and not behaving like a masculine stereotype.
@zippoboyshaneshank8954
5 жыл бұрын
For me, that was also the most interesting thing in this critique. I've always felt weird about that, especially with Cameron dating Linda Hamilton... It really seemed to me like he was fetishizing female masculinity.
@jamesparsley5796
5 жыл бұрын
@Kaveighleen Jacaster Interesting but not related to my point. Suffering pain is one thing and certainly could be argued to be inherently feminine but enduring pain is definitely a masculine thing to do, hence the phrase 'manning up' and the social stigma against men crying or otherwise showing pain: that is what I was referencing.
@unluckytourist
3 жыл бұрын
lol'd at the James Cameron reference. Verhoeven studied Cameron's films prior to making Robocop, but that aside, Cameron's films frequently featuring very strong/masculine female characters reflects his personal life, where he was married to a string of powerful women who occupied traditionally male roles (and in the case of ex wife Kathryn Bigelow) focused their art on machismo.
@etanaedelman9011
Жыл бұрын
I honestly think he's just fascinated by a specific kind of gender nonconformity and role switching. Like, with the exception of Arnold, his male leads are often weak, submissive, or feminized in some way. Jack Dawson is probably the best example; he's an androgynous manic pixie dream boy who gets stuffed in the fridge to further Rose's character development. Just a complete inversion of a typical male lead in an action film.
@The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.
5 жыл бұрын
This is honestly your worst analytical video. There's reaching and then there's 'where's your partner' line referencing the wife as evidence. The entirety of the ' Robocop is trans' thesis relies on that mirror scene. The point that Murthy sees himself in his partner because they are equal (and becomes his first step to reclaiming his humanity) is good and but that does not imply trans-identity. The scene with his wife for example, he passed through her because he was going to kiss her but she is gone. How can that be interpreted as representing a mirror? It obviously symbolizes his loss. And he punches the TV screen because he is angry of that loss. Honestly, there's too many 'maybes' to stand as evidence to support such a thesis.
@rezoannur2333
5 жыл бұрын
hey Rikafag
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
I think you missed all the other points brought up in the video, there are MANYYY elements that support it, even within the narrative. Also Verhowen's entire body of work deals almost exclusively with identity, gender roles, and societal pressures on both ^ I also say explicitly that you don't have to read it this way, but it is supported by the themes and visual language within the film.
@russellharrell2747
5 жыл бұрын
When analysis of art goes beyond the artist’s intent. Maybe. This director layers the absurd onto subtle and not so subtle social and political commentary. Just when you think you understand what his movies are about, your view totally shifts with one question
@Draliseth
5 жыл бұрын
@Maximus Prime So is this video.
@Draliseth
5 жыл бұрын
@@MaggieMaeFish Your last little comment is a really discrete way of saying, "You can disagree with me, but you'd be wrong."
@CasualShinji
5 жыл бұрын
I guess that's one way to look at it. More interesting than the whole 'Jesus' analogy fans like to reference, that's for sure.
@Draliseth
5 жыл бұрын
The Jesus analogy the *_DIRECTOR_* references.
@CasualShinji
5 жыл бұрын
@@DralisethYeah, I know this. It doesn't mean I find it at all interesting compared to the other things the movie touches upon. At best it's a neat observation, it doesn't give the movie any sort of depth though.
@razieldumas
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen Robocop somewhere between 10-20 times, have spent an ungodly amount of time thinking and talking about it, and I have never considered ANY of the stuff you bring up. What an amazing movie.
@MaggieMaeFish
5 жыл бұрын
Extremely Verhoeven voice: "THE LAYERS!!!!!"
@razieldumas
5 жыл бұрын
Maggie Mae Fish Rick McCallum voice: It's so dense. Every single image has so many things going on.
@zippoboyshaneshank8954
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you're back Maggie.... But does this mean Jesus was Trans? Since most people apply the Christ reading to RoboCop?
@cedricwublin9306
5 жыл бұрын
Huh, now there's a reading. Let's see. He disconnects his body from his birth body, calling the bread his flesh and the wine his blood. (Blood of the womb?) He has a not good relationship with the State, eventually undergoing violence at the hands of officials. He hangs out with radical anarchists and sex workers, having solidarity with others who experience State enforced violence. When he returns, transformed/rebirthed, his friends won't believe he is who he says he is until he displays his body. Yeah, there's actually a bunch there to work with. One could totally write a paper on that, or make a film with trans Jesus drawing on trans experiences and Christian scripture.
@zippoboyshaneshank8954
5 жыл бұрын
He also walks in water toward the end of the film! It's a popular resurrection reading!
@ADTribalChild
4 жыл бұрын
Given its one of the first R-Rated movies I've watched as a kid (sorry Mom), this is an amazing insight on one of my childhood favorites. Of course I can't say I understand the science of filmmaking, but I know a good movie when I see one. This gives me a greater appreciation for how's it's made from a director's perspective (because he loves his symbolisms) as well how's it's studied.
@AceLM92
5 жыл бұрын
I think Renegade Cut's review was more accurate, it delved more into the social commentary of the time that the film was made rather than projecting a lot of modern social ideas that have sprang up more within the last decade into a film from the mid 1980s
@irreverentbard7322
5 жыл бұрын
Maggie... my hero! Now I’m going to have to Robocop voice every piece of corporate slop in my media trough. If I’m going to be force fed gendered subliminal messaging, I might as well make it more palatable with some form of agency by injecting humour. Gobble gobble.
@TallerVision
6 күн бұрын
robocop literally has stylized top surgery scars
@Cyborganna
5 жыл бұрын
RoboCop is about losing Humanity, not gaining Womanity. Being a Woman isn't less. And that's all you're insinuating with this vapid review. Such an insult to Transwomen. Please, stay in Filmschool and learn to see the actual narrative right front of you before going off on tangents.
@WhoopsieDayZ
2 жыл бұрын
"Because Robocop is a movie that's painfully aware of the patriarchy" Just because a character (who we never learn the name of) is called "Old Man" in the script? That's a stretch. Nearly every script has characters like that who aren't named. I noticed this in your Twin Peaks video too. Often you try to bend information to fit your own narrative, even when there is no proof for this.
@6inTruder
5 жыл бұрын
Love Robocop even more now thanks to this video. That is so crazy though about those two slightly different takes for the same memory! Would love to see what a Robocop 2 that pushed these themes more would look like.
@joezilla6615
5 жыл бұрын
Great Scot! I have never thought of the societal gender layer to ROBOCOP before, but it feels like learning that there's more spices in your favorite dish than you knew about. It actually makes me love the film more. Your analysis rocks!
@fredscalliet
5 жыл бұрын
Helen Ripley's strength comes from her sense of motherhood, so I don't know where you got that all Camreon's female characters are defeminized. Besides that, great insights into Robocop, thanks. You put words on things I always felt but couldn't pinpoint. And also on things I never thought of before.
@Cyborganna
5 жыл бұрын
Linda Hamilton's luscious lips, long flowing hair, and sassy walk are feminine as Hell. She hasn't got time to be flirty and cute with a melty metal killer on Her precious Son's tail. Jesus! There's more to being a Woman than this vapid shit suggests. Getting very weary of it all.
@nachtschimmen
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Someone else who is finally critical of James Cameron's godawful portrayal of women as men. I think I'm going to throw up hearing yet again how fantastic the representation of women in films like Aliens (which I hated) - representation of the future as womanhood as machos is not necessarily liberating. I liked Robocop too when I saw it.
@hollandscottthomas
5 жыл бұрын
3:08 - wasted opportunity for “brobot” (Love your work MMF)
@seirv0621
2 жыл бұрын
there's no evidence to support that Cameron's female leads use masculinity and abandon femininity just because they adopt traditionally masculine actions and strong characteristics. especially in Ripley's character, saving Newt from the alien queen is the most feminine action women all around the world have done to protect the ones they love. Traditional female tropes of being the equal partner does not have to subjectify them to only lend help in the way that women think they should help. Every character evolution that results in a victory is going to take the character out of their comfort zone to do the impossible, that's is what makes them incredible characters to watch. The first wonder woman was a perfect example of this.
@mattsmith4182
5 жыл бұрын
Okay, I did not think it was possible to enjoy Robocop- a movie I’ve watched countless times and is one of my absolute favorites- any more than I already do, but god damn, this was a thoroughly enjoyable video essay. Like I’m going to rewatch Robocop tonight with all this fresh in mind. Thanks for making another dope video.
@19822andy
4 жыл бұрын
The flashback scene with his wife isn't an argument I don't think. She wants his full attention for probable sex. She was most likely behaving like this to put their child off the scent of her true intentions. His flashbacks show a perfect marriage and a perfect relationship between Murphy and his family. Is it Murphy's reality or the actual reality of his life? Nobody's life is that happy and perfect so I bet that's Murphy's reality.
@cosmosblue772
5 жыл бұрын
Huh I loved this film so much already love it even more after this analysis! 💙💙💙
@MatthewDakoutros
4 жыл бұрын
While the satire about toxic masculinity is very evident in the movie I never saw the trans aspect of Robocop before, which is interesting. However I think the movie is more about political satire, or at least that's how I interpret it: One of the very first things we learn is that cops are considering going to a strike because they are about to bought by a private company, that sequence alone is a great comment about the police's role, privatisation, the news and their anchors and well, capitalism. Btw I think you should do an analysis on Alien, especially in contrast to Aliens. I think the original is a great movie about sexual violence and femininity, in addition to Cameron's "strong female character". Very happy to see your comment on that, I was saying the same thing for years
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