The worst enemy of Doctor Who isn't the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Yeti, the Ice Warriors, the Sontarans, the Master or the Zygons. It's Michael F**king Grade
@harold5337
4 жыл бұрын
Xtra Spice Mikey Ahh yes. Can't forget Mary.
@mayotango1317
4 жыл бұрын
And Chibnall.
@Jedi_Spartan
4 жыл бұрын
1:37 Stubagful: "It's the Myrk... because it's what got the show cancelled."
@ivandphantom9028
3 жыл бұрын
NO ITS BOTH CHRIS CHIBNALL AND MICHAEL GRADE
@Benplanes
2 жыл бұрын
I agree
@fadikhoory5350
3 жыл бұрын
Michael Grade: The show was about cardboard monsters scaring kids JNT: I'll make it violent Michael Grade: No difference
@danshull1331
7 ай бұрын
RTD Doctor Who: hold my beer
@reversethepolarityoftheneu773
4 жыл бұрын
He has such an evil laugh fitting
@Lasherluke
4 жыл бұрын
And he wonders why the queen never knighted him
@fadikhoory5350
3 жыл бұрын
The Queen is actually a doctor who fan and takes the DVDs to Balmoral.
@ParisCoulsonBritishPatriot
3 жыл бұрын
@@fadikhoory5350 Is that an article or video you can send me about that?
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
4 жыл бұрын
Lord Grade’s evil laugh doesn’t sound that much different from Lord Garmadon’s.
@DVDandFilmBloke
4 жыл бұрын
4:27 Okay, the Cybermen in the audience sticking there hands up is the only genuinely funny part.
@theaussiebackflipboy
4 жыл бұрын
He admits he isn't a science fiction fan - he would have cancelled anything that had a sci-fi theme despite its popularity. Cutting the budget and using crappy writers didn't help matters much either.
@hothemeep1219
4 жыл бұрын
The writers were certainly not crappy
@sadako24
3 жыл бұрын
It was JNT's choice to use crappy writers. He didn't want anyone on the show who knew the series better than him.
@paddystrongjaw9995
3 жыл бұрын
@@sadako24 yes people seem to have taken some of the blame off of JNT in recent years.
@nifralo2752
2 жыл бұрын
@@hothemeep1219 many of them were Pip and Jane Baker Johnny Byrne are just awful "leave the women it's the man I want".
@hothemeep1219
2 жыл бұрын
@@nifralo2752 no
@ellabailey6707
4 жыл бұрын
I’m trying really hard not to hate this man but my attempts are futile
@oneoflokis
3 жыл бұрын
He's HORRIBLE, isn't he?? Especially the *personal remarks* about the show's fans, and their cheap clothing and "NHS glasses". 😏 Guy's got to be a Tory!!
@Alex63645
2 жыл бұрын
@@oneoflokis he is funnily enough. He’s a tory member of the House of Lords
@hakc97again
Жыл бұрын
@@Alex63645 he's also the chairman of ofcom and has been the loudest voice for Channel 4 to be privatised. So yeah awful person
@hotelmario510
3 жыл бұрын
Top 10 Anime Villains
@SegaNintendoGuy64
5 жыл бұрын
The man who pissed off DW fans in 1985.
@mekonta
5 жыл бұрын
The man with whom the responsibility of holding DW's purse strings, had the audacity to say it looked cheap.
@poohslosteyes264
4 жыл бұрын
@@mekonta it's just who, not whom
@justsomerandomguyonline1144
4 жыл бұрын
Until Moffat who is far worst
@hazmatsquad8923
4 жыл бұрын
JustSomeRandomGuy Online Moffat is chill. It’s chibnail that pisses people off.
@paddystrongjaw9995
3 жыл бұрын
@@hazmatsquad8923 somerandomguy is a troll who goes on nearly every doctor who related video and hates on Moffat
@JamesWilliamColeman
2 жыл бұрын
Ok, so the problems with his argument. He said that he thought that Doctor Who didn't look as good as Star Wars or ET. He said a TV show didn't look as good as films. Films that would have bigger budgets than TV shows. And for Doctor Who in particular, they made the budget especially lower because they didn't like it. And then they use the Myrka as an example. But that is the worst one. It's not taking into account all the great effects that have be created over the years. I'd actually say that whilst the Kandyman has a silly design, the build of the costume is actually really good and he is a very scary character in that story adding in that screeching modulated voice. It's such a shame that he left his position in 1987 because he missed some really great seasons of the show. Including in my opinion the best special effect that has ever been devised in the shows history, modern or classic. He needs to take a look at the Destroyer from Battlefield. It's a work of art! Brilliant design and perfect execution. It looks tangible and real with great movement and aesthetics. And he's a genuinely menacing character created by the legend Stephen Mansfield.
@Dimension5Productions
3 жыл бұрын
2:55 that is really inaccurate actually. Wheres the 1979 spike? Why does it seem to start in the late 40s?
@neddystark3351
4 жыл бұрын
Horrible man.
@themomentalist
2 жыл бұрын
He complained that the show looked cheap, and didn’t compare to Star Wars and Close Encounters, when he was the man who kept slashing the budget. The show was also generating huge amounts of money for BBC Enterprises at the time in merchandising. It’s very similar to what the Tories are doing with the NHS… slash the budgets so that it falls apart, in order to then claim that the private sector need to come in to save the day.
@DVDandFilmBloke
8 ай бұрын
Actually the comparison of Doctor Who to the NHS is very fitting because Michael Grade became a Tory peer. No wonder he hated Doctor Who.
@tardistime6857
3 жыл бұрын
Dr who main villain before chibnall
@dingopisscreek
2 жыл бұрын
doctor who beat the daleks, the cybermen and the master but he failed to outsmart michael grade
@benbastianiartmusic1421
3 жыл бұрын
Picking out Bok from the 70s (incidentally, the golden years of the show) as evidence as to why he cancelled the show in the mid eighties is so disingenuous.
@oneoflokis
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah!! Bok scared *me*, as a kid! At least in the book version, he did..🙂👍
@Dim4323
9 ай бұрын
and then 7th doctor arrived
@minicle426
Жыл бұрын
So Michael Grade was really in league with the Cybermen?
@227060
3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't he dating Colin Baker's wife when he fired him from the show
@themomentalist
2 жыл бұрын
Almost, it was Baker’s ex-girlfriend. I often wondered if that was part of the REAL reason that JN-T hired him… just to annoy Grade!
@Mr.cladmaniac
Жыл бұрын
@@themomentalist Like how JNT doesn't like grade aswell
@AurumEtAes
2 жыл бұрын
Run time of a season was slashed in half after the hiatus (!) And where did the money go in the in the mid 80s that they wouldn’t give to Doctor Who? On setting up a soap to challenge Coronation Street Doctor Who - a series that encouraged children to dream of a creative career when they grow up. Production, screenwriting, set design, VFX, electronic music… EastEnders - the most miserable and depressing show. Real feel bad tv
@whocrusader5179
4 жыл бұрын
Make a wish! What on Earth did the Doctor say that?!😆 1:58
@Enzo012
2 жыл бұрын
Someone should go onto Room 101 and nominate Michael Grade as something to be put in there.
@SammEater
Жыл бұрын
The clown behind the death of classic Doctor Who.
@topmandog1
5 ай бұрын
John Nathan turner helped tbf he should have left after the 6th doctor
@stevenbaxter9099
Жыл бұрын
Doctor who is one of the longest running tv shows of all time ( maybe behind the likes of coronation street and emmerdale) with millions of fans around the world. Michael grade you are sooo wrong
@Dray1
Жыл бұрын
Of course they chose Warriors of Deep...
@sadako24
8 ай бұрын
To be honest, I'd have cancelled the show over that one.
@fadikhoory5350
3 жыл бұрын
Chris Chibnall is Michael Grade's son. The BBC needs a second Michael Grade. Edit: If RTD was a lead writer in the 80s, Michael Grade would think twice about cancelling the episodes, especially Dalek, Midnight, Turn left and the S1, 3, 4 finales.
@sadako24
2 жыл бұрын
Those RTD finales were unbelievably badly plotted and resolved. Dalek was by Rob Shearman.
@ginge641
Жыл бұрын
@@sadako24 And yet we know the effect RTD has on the writers working under him. Just look what happened to Moffat as soon as there was no-one around to tell him he wasn't the epitome of genius.
@sadako24
Жыл бұрын
@@ginge641 RTD might've been good at reigning in other writers, but to me he was hopeless at reigning himself in. From what I read, RTD tended to leave Moffat's scripts alone. He said something once about how Moffat's scripts 'got the zeitgeist' the way he wanted. I think what happened with Moffat was less that RTD wasn't over his shoulder anymore, but it was more other limits being removed. He'd been slotted to do one story a season on a small allocation of the season's budget. Which meant he was required to tell a self-contained story with a resolution, and if he was to use extravagant SFX set-pieces there had to be a good story reason for it. Likewise the guest writers he introduced had to remain one-offs, so they were used to their full in their one appearance. If Silence in the Library had been River's one appearance, her story would feel complete. The problem is, once he had whole control of seasons he could indulge long-spanning arcs, mystery bait and postponements of resolutions. He could now have River return so often she became insufferable and far too much the focus of arcs to the point it got tiresome. He had full control of the budget so he could do a whole story recreating Nazi Germany for no reason other than to have River go there and make silly jokes. His excesses got out of control.
@ginge641
Жыл бұрын
@@sadako24 Yeah, you've got a point. Being the showrunner has more barriers broken than just RTD no longer reigning him in.
@minicle426
Жыл бұрын
People really overate RTD. The man who can't do a season finale without making it ludicrously overblown and reliant on lazy deus ex machinas to solve.
@Wizardaron
Жыл бұрын
The real Master
@ginge641
Жыл бұрын
Y'know the host doesn't take the thing he's talking about seriously when he says "baddies".
@Anthony-Testicali
4 ай бұрын
Whether your a whovian..a whoistani or a whoberman..letvus agree michael grade is a aerosol
@alexandertelson3713
3 ай бұрын
Dear Chris Chibnall............I am so sorry!
@topmandog1
5 ай бұрын
I didn't know future have i got news for you alumni did room 101
@Horrormaster13
Жыл бұрын
Michael Grade was the first Chris Chibnall.
@wanderingshadow1372
9 ай бұрын
Comparing those two to each other is quite shallow to be quite honest with you. Chibnall was a longtime fan of the show who got the opportunity to become a writer and eventually the showrunner during the 21st century, a man who people hate simply because a few of his stories weren't that great, and also because he made the Doctor a woman (Wow, such a big crime. Next you'll be telling me that Moffat is the next Michael Grade because he made the Master into a woman. Or that RTD is the next Michael Grade because he made the Doctor into a person of color.) Meanwhile, Michael Grade is some random British TV executive who constantly chastised a TV show that was just trying it's goddamn hardest after facing production issues, low ratings, and also being watched closely by Mary Whitehouse, who constantly sought to end the show because it's "tOo vIoLeNt fOr kIdS". Michael Grade did this without understanding the production hell Doctor Who went through for most of the 80s. I'm not sure a man who wrote a few mediocre stories and made a change to a character is quite as bad as someone like Michael Grade. Certainly not as malicious either. (From what I've heard, Chibnall is a lovely bloke in real life.)
@sadako24
8 ай бұрын
John Nathan Tuner was the first Chris Chibnall.
@mikihorvath6274
Жыл бұрын
Michael Grade for Master. IMMEDIATELY!!!
@GhostLightPhilosophy
4 жыл бұрын
TBH the candyman was an abomination
@sadako24
3 жыл бұрын
The JNT era as a whole was. I don't actually begrudge Grade and Powell for despising it.
@lexezlao
3 жыл бұрын
Haha you're an idiot
@paddystrongjaw9995
3 жыл бұрын
@@sadako24 I agree, I think the best for the show happened, it needed cancellation.
@videogamesworld01
3 жыл бұрын
The kandyman was great and the happiness patrol was a very good story too people like Michael grade are very superficial and only talk about the effect and never about the writing
@videogamesworld01
3 жыл бұрын
Also the only bad season jnt made was season 24 and that's mostly because of the troubled production at that point. Seasons 18,25,26 were the most consistently good seasons and they were under him.
@TheWhovinerd-1963
Жыл бұрын
From the moment he said those two words he knew he’d completely lost the audience lol 😂. They weren’t going to agree with him either way because, he was basically wanting all us Whovians thrown in along with it lol 😂. Xx
@lucaschapman2188
5 ай бұрын
He axed “ The Word “as well!
@ADoctorWho2023
Жыл бұрын
So he cancelled doctor who for even shitter shows to stay on air?
@dalekexterminae
Жыл бұрын
Ikr who needs boring soap sheis
@robertmcelwaine7024
Жыл бұрын
Grade, was and still is a pompous fool who allowed his lack of objectivity to destroy the show. He went out of his way to sabotage it until its cancellation in 1989. He put the series on an 18-month hiatus, before having Colin Baker sacked to use him as a scapegoat, and then scheduled it at the same time opposite Coronation Street, which was one of ITV's top-rated shows, which was also advertised heavily while. Doctor Who received little publicity at all. He was the real reason why the show got destroyed.
@andyscott6315
2 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but I agree with him, Michael grade, you had bad ass villains, with unbrave storytelling with sometimes a good lead as the doctor, sometimes not. And besides it's all subjective anyway
@borusa32
13 күн бұрын
I really disliked this man for curtailing Colin's run and then cancelling the show-if I had my way he'd be in Room 101
@listianocrowe
6 ай бұрын
Remember when Chris Morris flashed "Michael Grade is a c***" on his Brass Eye program? Exactly how I feel.about him!
@thatguyfromcetialphaV
7 күн бұрын
Grade was pissed about that. The fact he is a c*** just made it funnier.
@garethsteel2893
2 жыл бұрын
That guy really is a pleb, enough said
@Dim4323
2 жыл бұрын
And now people hating female doctor
@jeremywestern7067
2 жыл бұрын
Knob head grade
@edmund184
5 жыл бұрын
Oh look what a Leftist snob I'm being!
@JEEEVANJOHN
5 жыл бұрын
Cancel a show because of your personal opinion is a pathetic reason because what about the fans who were watching why didn't Care about. Especially the kids.
@harold5337
4 жыл бұрын
You do know Michael Grade is a Tory right?
@MrLtia1234
2 жыл бұрын
@@harold5337 Funny how people have been convinced that black is white and literal tories are 'leftists'.
@harold5337
Жыл бұрын
Uhhh, Michael Grade is a member of and an outspoken member of the Tory party.
@Frank-Einstein-Madman
3 жыл бұрын
I wish the bbc would rehire mr grade so he could fix the mess the show has become since chinball ruined everything!
@reversethepolarityoftheneu773
3 жыл бұрын
He says he likes it now
@oneoflokis
3 жыл бұрын
Exile him, more like!! (And we don't need dynasties at the BBC!!)
@sadako24
2 жыл бұрын
On the one hand his arguments against the show were completely disingenuous and contradictory (at the time he criticized it for being too violent for a family audience, yet here he is mocking the idea that such a cheaply made show could ever have scared kids). On the other hand, in the context of the show in the 1980's, he actually wasn't wrong. The show had pretty much sank to doing its own worst fanfiction at this point. Aside from the occasional rare gem (Enlightenment, Caves of Androzani, Revelation of the Daleks) the whole era was a write-off and largely utterly repellent to an audience with taste. A story like Warriors of the Deep completely vindicates his statement that the show was 'a waste of licence fee'. As much as I'd want to champion the show against a snide bureaucrat like him, the era was full of own-goals like this. It wasn't 1979 anymore. The fun and wit had gone. It was now a very nasty show that I had little to no love for.
@jordanlee5445
4 жыл бұрын
Given the state Doctor Who is in now, I wish they would cancel it now. #CancelDoctorWho
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
4 жыл бұрын
Go fuck yourself.
@faronomus1589
4 жыл бұрын
Elijah Ford gonna cry?
@mayotango1317
4 жыл бұрын
@SHIELDGG Funny because Jodie Whittaker had least episodes.
@mayotango1317
4 жыл бұрын
@SHIELDGG Series 10 is the best of Capaldi, fun and adventures.
@hrgrhrhhr
4 жыл бұрын
Just wait for Chinball to go away and then someone will retcon the Timeless Child
@Josh-vg2lj
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly doctor who to me always had stilted acting and low production value. Prefer Star Trek, can’t understand the cult around doctor who, it’s not good quality, never was, probably never will be. The plots are also ridiculous, and the morals and themes are facile.
@Dimension5Productions
3 жыл бұрын
Not only do you have your own picture as your icon (egomaniacal much), you have the audacity to promote fucking star trek of all things on a doctor who video. Get a life.
@Josh-vg2lj
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dimension5Productions I also have my face on my facebook profile, my narcissism knows no bounds!!!!! AHHHHH!!!!
@oneoflokis
3 жыл бұрын
Not so!! Not in the old days, and definitely not now! I always liked Star Trek - but someone once told me it had the values of the US Peace Corps. It was kind of - po-faced. Dr Who was always rather more - quirky!! (Guy's an anarchist rebel, you know!! 😁)
@oneoflokis
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dimension5Productions To be fair, it *is* valid to compare Dr Who and Star Trek. See my comment below.
@Josh-vg2lj
3 жыл бұрын
@@oneoflokis that's a strong point actually. I do see it from a slanted viewpoint as a yank to you
@royfr8136
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Who is terrible.
@meridian2000
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought Doctor Who was the worst programme the BBC made, Michael Grade did the right thing axing it, Lorraine Heggessey should never have brought it back.
@mayotango1317
Жыл бұрын
Watch She-Hulk, crybaby.
@dangerman5617
Жыл бұрын
Jacob Rowly likes horrible people. Including himself.
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