One of the few KZitem channels to review "affordable"bikes,keep up the good work Dave much appreciated .
@WCMONSTER96
4 жыл бұрын
"affordable" 2k1 pounds lol
@SIvers-or2ke
4 жыл бұрын
And no pizazz, just straight to the point and honest, real world interviews that are relevant
@powernab8457
4 жыл бұрын
I know David is great with these videos which help to make it easier to chose or get a bike. It's a shame this one had no mudguard mounts
@briansamuel5670
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I like this. Had to click an sub
@ilikecringe
Жыл бұрын
@@WCMONSTER96 The non disc version is €1100
@Nyarlathoth
3 жыл бұрын
Passed a guy on this bike this very evening. With the last sunrays of the evening blending all the shades of blue and purple on the frame, I couldn't hold myself from slowing down to admire such beauty
@Countrystock
4 жыл бұрын
I think this is a great bike and all round package. Sometimes it’s good to be different and not have a mainstream brand......it certainly stands out. Nice one Dave 👍
@brianmessemer2973
4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant cable routing solution. I have a Canyon Endurace which I love but the cables around the cockpit are an eyesore. Well played, Rose.
@boshebosh9269
4 жыл бұрын
I do keep going back to the Rose bikes. I guess I'm attracted to the value for money. This reveal in blue looks awesome!!! Black fork works for me. Great vlog as always.
@nabeelkubba1305
4 жыл бұрын
Canyons are best value really
@kroko9691
3 жыл бұрын
@@nabeelkubba1305 I was also looking for a Canyon Endurace 2021 model but there was no refresh. Finally I like this more due to the cleaner look. The improved stem on the latest Reveals is looking even cleaner. I also like more the cleaner look of the seat post of the Rose compared to the VCLS of the Canyon... despite the comfort of corse. The Canyons Endurace model are completely sold out for the next 6 month but there are still some Reveals in black/red available.
@Zero-sj8qh
4 жыл бұрын
I just enjoy the way you review the bikes.
@Dexxyh
4 жыл бұрын
Impressive bike for such a small company. I wonder if their xlite will get the same cable integration, maybe with a nice aero stem. A serious competitor for cube and canyon.
@frits8986
4 жыл бұрын
Bought a Rose Psycho Path last year (MTB) in the Rose store in Bocholt. Amazing bike for the money, superb service. Was waiting for a review of this Reveal, I’m afraid another trip to Germany is needed soon.
@63Hash
4 жыл бұрын
An excellent bike for sure. I currently ride a Rose Bike I bought from them in 2014 I paid much less for mine (£1200). It has a full 105 groupset and can also accommodate mudguards front and rear. So I think we ought to agree terms such 'affordable' and 'good value'. To a person of my means, this is a very expensive bike.
@maxs6775
4 жыл бұрын
A lot has changed since 2014 # Shortage of bikes due to covid 19 , and bike manufacturers have increased prices this year by 15 % on average
@996driver1
4 жыл бұрын
I have bikes, Pinarello and Canyon,with both style bottom brackets and they are both excellent with no issues.
@dirkvanderhoydonck3803
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a Reveal Four Ultegra Di2 recently. My most comfortable bike to date. I wanted an endurance bike but no disc brakes. Struggled a bit to assemble the bike because of the Di2 battery connection in the seat post. My friendly mechanic around the corner sorted it out. I fail to understand why an ordinary amateur coureur needs disc brakes unless he has to daily descend the Mont Ventoux in the pouring rain
@datorfilm
4 жыл бұрын
How wide tires can you fit on that do you reckon? I agree that its perfectly fine with rimbrakes, but would also like to be able to fit 32mm tires..
@dirkvanderhoydonck3803
4 жыл бұрын
@@datorfilm mine have 25 mm tires
@andrewfehrsen
4 жыл бұрын
Again, great video mate - keep it up - 100k subs on it's way for sure
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
That's the plan!
@andrewfehrsen
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Your content and style is great so it will definitely happen. I just bought a 2020 Giant TCR Advanced 1 Disc - what a great bike!
@danielbum912
4 жыл бұрын
Cables might be exposed under the stem but very neatly so. I like it very much.
@nlfiets
4 жыл бұрын
Press fit is superior to threaded. Creaking is result of incorrect tolerances. If a manufacturer goes back to BSA, it is like saying we produce low quality and we don't want to improve our production methods.
@lasrachtech.1341
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. And customers demanding threaded is encouraging manufacturers to compromise quality
@jochem1986
4 жыл бұрын
It's true. This is something that the bike industry has known for years. The truth is that a few really big brands have ruined pressfit image (cannondale, trek..) by being shitty with their tolerances. Having worked as bike designer for a brand that has always had their press-fit tolerances up to snuff, and never experiencing any issues with creaking or installation, it was frustrating to see that people were gutted it didn't come with threaded. Even though we tried explaining to them that you can create superior lateral stiffness and responsiveness when accelerating out of the saddle.
@SurpriseMeJT
4 жыл бұрын
There's nothing inferior about a threaded bb that is also made correctly.
@iverstappen88
4 жыл бұрын
Jay Tee As far as I understand, pressfit BB allows the bike to be stiffer because the BB is wider and the aluminium sleeve further stiffens it. Pressfit is more stiff and also lighter, so it makes perfect sense on a carbon road bike.
@paulhirst1182
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks David, have been considering this bike.
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
No problem hope it was helpful for you
@15idog
4 жыл бұрын
I get what you're saying about the look of Rose bikes. I have a 2018 rose Pro sl is a bloody fantastic bike but the rose website and logo is splashed all over it in different fonts and colours it's a real eye sore to an otherwise incredible looking and preforming bike. The newer models and much more modern and minimalist and look much better. Still I chose like you said with my head not my heart 😁
@Mejaymz
4 жыл бұрын
Using a PF86 is most definitely NOT a disadvantage nor a "deal breaker" for me. On the other hand using marketing BS instead of proper engineering is deal breaker #1.
@LucaBonato
4 жыл бұрын
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well. HELLO HAMBINI FANS
@Mejaymz
4 жыл бұрын
@@LucaBonato Thank god for Him and also Luescher Teknik and Peak Torque for speaking the truth. The are doing the job that cycling journalists should be really doing
@softbingan
4 жыл бұрын
The lack of a big bad bosch cx high speed motor is a deal breaker for me 😅
@loismichel-mazan4930
3 ай бұрын
Love the bike, although, looking at the video in 2024, the price is now a whopping 3300€. In 3 years, the thing got pretty much 50% more expensive... yeah (I know pounds aren't euros. But still)
@rp6760
4 жыл бұрын
Very nice review. Love the bike👍
@FabianDraxl
4 жыл бұрын
Amazing Review Dude! Would love to see the new Orbea Orca M20Team reviewed?!
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m hoping to get the new Orca OMR soon so watch this space
@FabianDraxl
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Great, good to hear. Keep up the great work. Btw. what do you think about the Scott Addict RC 30 in comparison?
@stephenbutler1816
4 жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful bike!
@ronanm04
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and thank you. Question, how would you compare the reveal 4 against the equivalent canyon endurace? I have a reveal four ultegra di2 on order but I did consider the endurace 8.0 aero
@digisuboob
3 жыл бұрын
105 is such a solid groupset
@peterbee8892
4 жыл бұрын
No mudguard mounts is a deal breaker for an endurance bike which is an all year round bike. Press fit is better if the manufacturer can deliver the quality. The trend back to threaded is a cop out for brands who don't have control over their quality.
@thisandthatandotherthings
4 жыл бұрын
Certainly an attractive option to consider especially with the integrated cable management at the stem but interesting that you noted the different in front compliance as compared to rear compliance as I have seen that comment in other reviews of the Reveal as well. Would you agree that if the rider was heavier than you are David that the rear flex would be more pronounced creating more of an imbalance between front and rear (just asking for a friend)? I am thinking that the dropped seat stays and lower clamp design is a better fit with the future shock front of the Roubaix or that the Reveal's front would be better matched with a higher clamp like the Defy or the higher stays with leaf spring post of the Endurace ?
@davidclark4393
4 жыл бұрын
The advertised weight is 7.9kg, when you weighed the bike at 8.3kg was that with pedals. Great video.
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
I weighed it without pedals. Claimed weights aren't always that accurate, and sometimes brands are naughty and weigh the smallest size! I'm not sure if this applies to Rose or not
@lbarriocanal
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Rose uses to cheat about bike weight. In reviews always rose bikes are heavier than claimed weight. Here www.radsport-rennrad.de/test-technik/rose-reveal-four-disc-test/ 8,17 kg for Reveal Four Ultegra. (Rose claimed weight 7,9kg). Same in Tour-Magazine.de reviews about Rose Reveal, Rose X-Lite or Rose Backroad. Always 0,3-0,5 Kg heavier than declared. Client reviews in Rose website often shows this problem too. Rose says that bike weight may vary by up to +/- 5 % due to manufacturing tolerances, but I have nor find any review showing actual weight under claimed weight.
@fredvonjupiter6061
4 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for an alternative to the Domane SL5, but no bike seems to come close.... Domane has threaded bottom bracket, mudguard mounts, compliance front and back and more tire clearance! And neat cabling..... I can't find an alternative as good.
@datorfilm
4 жыл бұрын
What about water ingress at that seattube cover? Will that cover keep watertight over time I wonder? And what happens if it breaks or fall of after a few years...will it be available? Otherwise a smart feature.
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
Good question, so far not a problem but not ridden it long enough in wet weather to answer it with any validation
@matlindell5022
4 жыл бұрын
What do you think confortwise compare to the Giant defy?I imagine the Tcr is way more stiffer?
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
Very good compared to the Defy. The TCR is firmer but not by a huge amount, the gap has really narrowed
@LucaBonato
4 жыл бұрын
The TCR thanks to the slooping geometry has a longer seatpost exposed, so more bendy. I was actually impressed to the comfort my previous tcr had before switching to a canyon ultimate ( bought second hand for a bargain )
@aliancemd
4 жыл бұрын
10:15 You cannot customize the bike that is being reviewed(Reveal Four)... That’s only on the most expensive option: “Reveal Six” - that’s before you start struggling to find that configurator...
@federicoorsolini7645
4 жыл бұрын
I ordered my reveal four in July and it was possible to customize it......not anymore apparently......(ordered mine with DT wheels and carbon handlebar....)
@john_ebenezer9185
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome review.. giant TCR advanced pro 2 Vs rose reveal ultegra? Which is better
@mateuszkopaczyk5140
3 жыл бұрын
Did you find an answer to this question?
@john_ebenezer9185
3 жыл бұрын
@@mateuszkopaczyk5140 no buddy not yet .But Rose bikes have stopped importing to the UK due to the placement of the break levers on the bikes ...So I won't be able to buy a Rose bike here in the UK..
@michaelross4537
3 жыл бұрын
David great review thanks, I tired the Cannondale Carbon 5 in a 61" frame it suits my long arms and legs, very comfortable responsive ride, can you compare that with the Reveal in terms of handling? Or can the extra cost of the Cannondale be easily justified ?
@Samuel-bu7xr
4 жыл бұрын
What is the model of sportful jersey you are wearing in this vid?
@crailwah
4 жыл бұрын
This looks great Z good ideas all around
@wildanS
4 жыл бұрын
Great value bike, I'd still go for the Ultegra group.
@VC-HongStore
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your good video.
@iainhuddart8496
4 жыл бұрын
Where was the free hub sound David? 😥 I think you said it was the 55cm, what are your measurements if you don't mind? I've really been considering this bike, I have got a Canyon on order but this might have thrown a spanner in the works!!
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
I knew there was something i forgot! I’m 5’11” and find the fit is good
@iainhuddart8496
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur cheers David... what is it like? I prefer quiet and stealthy. 😈
@federicoorsolini7645
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Hi David, thanks for the video. Since Rose suggests sizes using the inseam and not total height, can you please tell us yours. (I have ordered mine size 59 and I have 90 Inseam...) many thanks.
@federicoorsolini7645
4 жыл бұрын
Hi David, thanks for the video. Since Rose suggests sizes using the inseam and not total height, can you please tell us yours. (I have ordered mine size 59 and I have 90 Inseam...) many thanks.
@Bhappylife
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! Would love to try it out for myself! Could you tell me what kind of saddlebag/belt/saddle roll you are using in the video? TY in advance!
@sand9577
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing much affordable about this bike, don't be mistaken it is impeccably specced. But after shipping and taxes to my cabin on the hills, the rim brake, 105 version ends up costing close to 2700 Euros.
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
4 жыл бұрын
@6:43 You stated the front end is not as smooth, not as balanced as other endurance bikes. What could the rider change to correct that?
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
4 жыл бұрын
@@AllanPhillips and exchange how many parts on the Rose with the Roubaix?
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
4 жыл бұрын
@@AllanPhillips I just thought I had to swap parts as needed until.....well.....I turned it into a Roubaix.
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
A carbon handlebar perhaps? I’m really splitting hairs it’s not exactly terrible, it’s just that the seatpost works so brilliantly it highlights the fact the front isn’t quite as smooth. It’s certainly tolerable
@brody5211
2 жыл бұрын
How would you rate this David v riding your revolt with road tyres . Similar performance?
@karelski3369
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! How does this frameset compare to the Krypton pro you reviewed earlier? Both high end endurance bikes, but which would you say is faster?
@davidarthur
3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t tested the Argon 18 I’m afraid
@karelski3369
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur my bad, thought you had ridden one considering this article from road.cc road.cc/content/feature/269941-roadcc-frameset-year-201920
@davidarthur
3 жыл бұрын
@@karelski3369 Ah yes I can see the confusion. Somebody else reviewed the bike but I wrote that Best Of article
@rawjunk
4 жыл бұрын
If this had at least 35 mm tyre clearence it would be near-perfect.
@lucasmlv872
3 жыл бұрын
Look at the rose backroad seems to look like what you want
@MrRuvimovich
4 жыл бұрын
What do you do, if you want to put stem 10 or 20 mil longer, but the routing is not allowing to do so due to cables being too short?..
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
Guess that's one of the compromises with internal routing
@dmv4554
4 жыл бұрын
Crappy roads? Pls come to the US. I think we got you beat :) Can you do a vid on your fave bikes by price category?
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
Ha whereabouts in the US are you? That’s a great idea for a video, leave it with me
@Antares69Star
Жыл бұрын
Isn't the 55 a bit small for you?
@robertconnor1762
2 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me brand of shoes and price thanks
@lasrachtech.1341
4 жыл бұрын
Why is this bike almost £2300? It’s 8.3kg. My aluminium Trek from 2006 is 7.9kg ready to ride and it shifts flawlessly. I guess it depends on what’s valued by the customer.
@arbjful
4 жыл бұрын
Internal cable routing
@17cream
4 жыл бұрын
Lasrach Tech. Wow, that’s so heavy. Bikes are getting heavier and more expensive
@maxs6775
4 жыл бұрын
Disc brakes add 300 g , bikes have not got any lighter
@lasrachtech.1341
4 жыл бұрын
Max S Clearly
@djarvils
2 жыл бұрын
Just saw this bike with rim breaks version in Wiesbaden. Next week I'm going to pick up. Just dream not a bike!
@Numeriwar
2 жыл бұрын
Looks great on screen but too many things sucks once out of box. Trust me ive bought 3 Rose bikes. I'll never buy again
@iainhuddart8496
4 жыл бұрын
Any info as to when Rose may be back available for UK order David?
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
No immediate plans, see their official reply on my twitter page @davearthur
@aliancemd
4 жыл бұрын
I looked at their bikes before going with Canyon - they don’t offer enough color options, so I went with Canyon...
@tombrookes2396
4 жыл бұрын
Are you gonna do a review of the rose backroad anytime soon ?
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
I have reviewed that back in the past for road.cc but I’d certainly love to do a video review on one
@PuneethBedre
4 жыл бұрын
Did you say trek domane runs a 38c? That is clearly gravel bike right?
@wsnx_
4 жыл бұрын
no it's an endurance bike which can fit up to 38c tyres.
@PuneethBedre
4 жыл бұрын
/WSNX thanks for clarifying. Should be great for super duper long rides.
@rs3745
3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Wich frame size should i buy? I'm 173cm. Thank you!
@davidarthur
3 жыл бұрын
Have you check the size chart? I would guess a 54cm
@rs3745
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur You can choose between 53 and 55. So i'm not sure because it will be my first road bike. What would you prefer? Thanks for your fast answer!
@davidarthur
3 жыл бұрын
Probably a 53 but I would check their size guide to be 100%
@chrisfoster5098
4 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@aligooya8514
4 жыл бұрын
Nice endurance bike but into my taste the head tube looks too long, just a personal opinion though
@supersucka
4 жыл бұрын
What bottle cage is that?
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
It's a Fabric cage. This one in fact fabric.cc/products/hydration/gripper-cage/
@mateuszkopaczyk5140
4 жыл бұрын
Do you know if rim brake version is comparable to disc brake when it comes to frame stiffness, and overall characteristics of the bike?
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
I’m afraid I don’t know, I would imagine they should be close as I doubt there’s a huge difference in the frame design and construction
@kamylko
3 жыл бұрын
Is it tubeless ready?
@davidarthur
3 жыл бұрын
The tyres are not but the rims are
@mataman1
4 жыл бұрын
Great bike, but Rose must go for threaded bb next time. Press fit is no go.
@lasrachtech.1341
4 жыл бұрын
Pressfit is superior if the frame is manufactured properly
@michwoz
4 жыл бұрын
@@lasrachtech.1341 May be superior but pain in the ass for servicing/maintenance.
@lasrachtech.1341
4 жыл бұрын
Michal Wozniak again, if the frame is manufactured properly, it should be fit and forget like threaded bbs
@michwoz
4 жыл бұрын
@@lasrachtech.1341 Sure, but you need to change the bearings/bb cups from time to time due to wear or if you want to use different crank set. And doing it with press fits is pain in the ass without expensive tools.
@nicholasmontoya5369
4 жыл бұрын
You can just get a Specialized Tarmac SL6 Sport for $2600 USD, unless you don’t want to buy a mainstream brand bike.
@DynamiteOD
4 жыл бұрын
Hi David, nice paint job, shame about the weight. Q. Have you tested any Orbea? particularly the Alma OMX and M30 Hardtail, and the Avant H30-D
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
I have tested Orbea bikes in the past, and have a new Orca on its want to me. I rode the Avant when it first came out, there's a review on the internet, but not ridden the latest version. Also not tried the Alma either
@DynamiteOD
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Thanks David, what did you think of the Avant?
@DanielG0604
4 жыл бұрын
I considered Rose until I saw the trustpilot reviews. Not worth the trouble.
@glennoc8585
4 жыл бұрын
Had wide tyres now gone back.to. 23c on.The front and 25c on.The back as both.blow out to 24.2 and 26.4 on.my 25mm wide rims. The extra weight of 28c to 32c is too.much I think. If you ride very rough roads better on gravel bike.
@fedgibson2098
4 жыл бұрын
Small detail, they stopped shipping to the UK so this bike is not available to us. The reason is plain ridiculous but well.. Shame as its a great bike...
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
Yup I know - I broke the story before all the media jumped on it (check my Twitter). Shame because this was a cracking option for UK customers
@powernab8457
4 жыл бұрын
No mudguard mounts? Oh well, they have just lost my purchase!
@jernejorlcnik3112
4 жыл бұрын
8.3kg of weight, while they claim 7.4kg on their web page?
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
They claim 7.9kg for this model as far as I can see
@detmer87
4 жыл бұрын
Why does that Rose bike use such a long derailleur hanger? It's quite far of the smallest cog and therefore compromising the shifting precision slightly.
@davidarthur
4 жыл бұрын
That's the direct mount interface. So it's relatively new thing first seen on mountain bikes and according to Shimano " allows for flexible frame design, no special tooling requirement (M10x1 Mount bolt, without e-clip) and easier to install rear wheel" when using thru-axles. You can read all about it here bike.shimano.com/en-EU/technologies/component/details/direct-mount-rear-derailleur.html
@moc5661
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like Rose has copied Treks Purple Flip paint job! 👀
@steveindorset
4 жыл бұрын
Mohamed C yes I think so too....but they seem to have done it at a 3rd of the price!! 😳
@brody5211
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not as nice or standout as the treks paint though
@ItachiGT
4 жыл бұрын
Seriously, how hard is it to offer some mudguard mounting options? Just freaking drill 2 holes into the frame. Why wouldn't you include them in your endurance bike?
@boshebosh9269
4 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the press fit though!
@djkhmor4538
4 жыл бұрын
fuck disc brakes... should stayed banned on road bikes
@stephenmoraca2844
4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone want to sponsor for my first gravel/cx bike? Just $500 😁
@iamarunch
4 жыл бұрын
Canyon killer....
@siitan83
4 жыл бұрын
canyon road bike range is dead to me until they bring out some modern models - hidden cables and drop seat stays on ultimate
@iamarunch
4 жыл бұрын
@@siitan83 I was thinking the same. I am looking for a new carbon endurance bike and I was considering a Canyon as well, but they are bit outdated but good value for money... Hopefully they step it up...
@lasrachtech.1341
4 жыл бұрын
Arun Chandrashaker agreed, Canyon’s range is now outdated. But they now have the opportunity to combine the best features from other manufacturers and produce some great bikes
@siitan83
4 жыл бұрын
@@lasrachtech.1341 thats true!! however, I am doubtful that if they try their very best, they still cant make anything better then SL7 (tarmac).. I doubt its even possible. If they try hard they could do something like sl7 or something close to it. SL7 frame costs around 4000.. hopefully the price will come down, but even in 4000 its attractive.
@lasrachtech.1341
4 жыл бұрын
Peeter Siitan not attractive to me
@mattiasandersson3444
4 жыл бұрын
Personally i think it's ugly, compared to my Cervelo S3 its discusting🤗
@fsveen
4 жыл бұрын
How do you mount anything on that stem when the cables are run like that?
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