Forgot to mention: Primus searching Oath makes Atrii's draw a lot more reliable. still not a good card, but since we have to play it at least we will get more value out of it now
@CoffinZ12
Ай бұрын
I disagree bro. I find both cards really strong. The level 4 you to play through more interruptions as well massive handtraps bait/lightning rod. Yes it should’ve been deck and yes it is not a starter. The deck didn’t need more starters it needed more playability past calamity/crimson which is was we got.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
@@CoffinZ12 coping a bit too much. the deck isnt good, which is evidenced in almost zero representation. atrii and cemelia are pseudo garnet win more cards that youre forced to play in a pure build because you have so few actual options they are better than playing og VASM builds. the deck 100% does need more starter-extender cards, of which there are only TWO: emblema oath and standup. snake eyes has witch, bonfire, wanted -before even looking at their normal summons and they arent locked out of generic plays like centurion restrictions
@jsahm38
Ай бұрын
I think the synchro is designed that way bc auxila would protect it so you get a free pop
@CoffinZ12
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO 1) you don’t have to be rude. We can have a healthy discourse without trying to put someone down. 2) the deck has 13-16 1 card starters that can easily increase if you play prosperity/desires. As for the extension aspect I agree we could use more in archetype extenders overall we do have generic extensions does synergize with the rest of the deck. Lastly, I have two regional tops with centurion as well as an OTS 1st place finish. Though it may be anecdotal, it would still be hard pressed to call my opinion copium.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
@@CoffinZ12 wasnt being rude bro. wre you talking about copium? if a deck is so underrepresented that its name doesnt even exist on a pie chart for a top tier event then the deck is quite simply not good, and stating otherwise is pretty much the definition of copium. there's nothing rude about saying someone is coping in yugioh, its standard rogue deck stuff. we all cope fam 2 - my point wasnt about starters versus extenders, my point was on starter-extenders, cards that are both starters and extenders. standup and oath are starter-extenders because it doesnt matter what the game state is, you can still use them to advance the game state. trudea/primera/bonfire are not extenders, they are mutually exclusive starters that conflict with each other because you only have one normal summon having a million one card starters is meaningless when your best extenders are garbage cards like gargoyle and wake up which require you to already be playing the game - the definition of 'win more'. if you are unconvinced, i urge you to stop listening to me and go and look at roadoftheking ocg metagame breakdowns and see for yourself that centurion does not exist despite them being months ahead of us with months of data on atrii. now that ROTA is less than a week away for the ocg, i would also urge you to ignore what im saying if im not convincing and just wait for their first metagame report post ROTA and see if centurion exists or not.
@brittis_n3xus
Ай бұрын
10:05 As someone who has played pure centurion very early in the format, I feel its only fair to share contrast to the negatives you bringing up on them. This is not to say you are incorrect on the value that they have, but for fairness. Pure centurion plays around both mulcharmy monsters better than other decks which is super relevant next format. It also doesnt lose to nibiru or droll which is another big deal, if you open/have another extender, you play through ash/imperm/veiler (unless they stop your synchros which is the actual chokepoint if you didnt add with primera first). If calamity isnt gone from the game and we enter another heavy handtrap format, pure centurion will be a lot more resilient to most common handtraps than other variants. Adding to this, they have 14 (17 if you count bonfire), 1-card starters, & 6 extenders, which is enough consistency to make up for those brick engine requirements you brought up, & this is without adding prosperity to the equation which is even more viable now cuz in the past it mainly conflicted with legatia/atrii. Very well made video, I do enjoy your WF analysis a lot, I figured I had to share that insight as someone who has experimented with centurion for the past year with many variants.
@feuerweier
Ай бұрын
Do you Think Centurion with millenium is a god version. I think the Counter trap is a lot bether with millenium and give exttender
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
appreciate the comment, which is a lot more thought out than most of the other ones which frankly, dont understand the concept of win more cards. i agree on your points re playing around mulcharmy/droll, though that is more to do with how well positioned the deck is versus common hand traps rather than how good its engine actually is the problem with virtually every single card in centurion that ISNT standup/oath is that drawing multiples essentially bricks your hand because the pure starters (like trudea/primera) are mutually exclusive draws; you cannot normal summon both. standup and oath on the other hand dont care what the rest of your hand looks like, they are guaranteed gas. we have a mere fraction of the starter/extender cards snake eyes has and a mere fraction of the non engine space they have that said, of course youll have to play it in pure, same as you have to play atrii - there arent alternatives. my hope is that white forest will make centurion far more resilient by minimizing the engine without compromising the ceiling - all because primus is generic
@brittis_n3xus
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO I wholeheartedly agree, this new support also makes the SHS version & Mannadium version also slightly better because they make synchro 8s easier. I have high hopes for centurion as a whole, the only real concern is now they'll be even more of a splashable engine for other decks and (cough* bishbaalken is a thing)
@brittis_n3xus
Ай бұрын
@@feuerweier I do like the millenium cards a lot, they are very sleeper right now because of fiendsmith, so I think they worth practicing with. Another engine that I think its good (and very underrated) is shining sarcophagus (3 sarc 1 gadget 1 gandora) I figured I mention it because its the contrast to the millenium strategy xD
@christg99
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO Personally I don't think this does much for minimizing the engine (at least in my initial thoughts on the card.) The new synchro just provides another avenue to access the engine that'll still usually consist of Primera, Trudea, Stand Up, and Gargoyle. But now you can access it by running 1 Emblema in your deck rather than 3. Honestly, this doesn't bode much for White Forest as much as it does just any Synchro deck that can make an 8 in the future. Which is a damn shame. I have always wanted this deck to stand on its own as a grindy, interruptive quick-synchro deck. But all Konami has given us is more extenders turn 1 with an already established board, zero options for going second, a really bad tuner, no other ways to quick synchro, and no actual extenders. Centur-Ion will now just be relegated to a 4 - 5 card engine in a deck that can turbo out Blazar once Calamity gets banned. And I hate it.
@Simon-ur7bi
Ай бұрын
One neat thing about the synchro, is that if you have Primera in the back, it can just choose to pop itself and Primera will protect it. But yeah, searchable Emblemas go crazy, might actually play Salvation as a 1 of now. And it also helps if they slap Nib on you, since it comes back for free and is a lv8 Tuner + the Trudea you likely have in the back can still make Legatia on your opponent's turn, which is better than nothing. Being a lv8 Tuner also opens up Tzolkin plays, if anyone wants to cook with that for some reason. The lv4 is.....interesting. It's decent if you open full combo + it and can afford to play without your normal summon, then it becomes anti-handtrap that turns itself into Salvation fodder for next turn. Definetly not playing more than 1 in any way, it's completely dead on its own and it's not even that good of a negate since it has to be chain link 2+, but it might be worth running just to make Bonfire a bit more valuable, if you're willing to drop some handtraps.
@redoctober67
Ай бұрын
Nah man, BOTH cards are really good. The Synchro is nuts and Cimelia being a hybrid insulation/anti-interruption + extender is nuts. It can stop a handtrap if you're just getting started or interrupt your opponent's interruptions if you're trying to break a board. Imagine using it to stop Flamberge, Princess, or even change Phantom of Yubel's change.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
google "what is a win more card?"
@redoctober67
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO man just come out with it and say you don’t like the deck. Comparing any non-major strategy to Snake Eye is just silly. I’m not playing this deck to be the number and expect it to do the broken-ass crap Konami let Tear, Kash, and SE do. I’m playing it to do different stuff and see how I can navigate it and navigate WITH it. So as a player of the deck, they’re great cards. Is the Synchro the better card? Yep! But that main deck monster is definitely a one-of, MAYBE even 2 of in the right builds that I would stick in, possibly replacing Emeth since the dodge isn’t coming up the times I would want it or need it to.
@SnoopinATB
Ай бұрын
Problem I see with the new main deck you have to open emblema and open either trueda or primera so it goes from a one card combo to two and going first Imperm plays through it anyways but glad they finally give an eight synchro which is what the deck needed with all the level modulating
@spikethebulldog3277
Ай бұрын
@@redoctober67cimelia is really... Not good enough... The area where centurion shine is their consistency with enormous amount of 1 card combo, but cimelia is pure extender that needs 2 card(cimelia+oath/bonds)...
@forgottencinder9580
Ай бұрын
cimelia is definitely not the best card the deck needed, but it has some value in long duels when you need to grind and protect your resources
@batsmak2506
Ай бұрын
I ended up playing Bystial Fiendsmith Centur-ion for the WCQ, and I was often using my second Beatrice send on Emblema Oath to make Atrii's draw live (first send was usually Rainbow Bridge to get to Stand-up). Seeing Emblema Oath now be easily searchable makes me very excited for how reliable that draw effect will be. Bystial lines into Dis Pater or Chaos Angel off of Stand-up are very powerful when the games become grindy hand trap wars, and Atrii draws are great for digging to those or other hand traps. If/When Calamity goes, that becomes even better for what the deck's game plan will likely become.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
good feedback. i didnt like bystials previously but now in fs meta i like the card economy and the synchro 10s
@Gurren961
Ай бұрын
Engraver is currently the full Centurion combo in TCG with Primus and Aerial Eater btw
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
what's the line?
@Gurren961
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO I'm unsure how actually good it is and it can probably be improved but you do the Engraver line till you get to Sequence + Aerial. Aerial mills Vision Resonator who adds Crimson Gaia which adds Vision Resonator, you normal Vision and then go for Primera Primus add Emblema after which you do the full combo to end on Auxila + Legatia + S:P(any extender makes her a 3 mat Appo) + Stand-Up with Atri and Trudea in backrow and Gargoyle in hand(will write it all out if you can't figure it out no worries) My logic is that your opp will be forced to Nib on Lacrima+Engraver cause you threaten Wave King High Caesar and if they dont Nib there, they don't have it. Like how Snake-Eyes checks Nib with Selenee
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
@@Gurren961 hmm that sounds like it adds in even more bricks, has a million chokes, and uses your normal summon. id guess this wont be played because it loses to a single interruption. but youre right there might be improvement in alternative lines that are more flexible
@Gurren961
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO Yeah it definitely sucks that it uses your normal. I saw some OCG comvos using the new lvl 4 Fiendsmirh as well to make Auxila + Blazar + Crimson with less bricks so that might be the way instead
@NewfieSteve83
Ай бұрын
The only way I can see the effect monster being useful is if you already have the field spell (already able to play) and normal summon her to insulate your play from a veiler or ash (or nib). You can place herself back in the backrow with her effect instead of needing to place primera in that situation. If Primera gets imperm'd in that situation you can at least make the new synchro, search oath and place atrii to draw a card and synchro 12 since she can also be a non-tuner. Its cope, but its a play.
@Garalor
Ай бұрын
regardign cemelia, you can put cemelia in S/T insteat of primera.... also if you start fieldspell, discard primera => place trudea, normal cemila, start playing with trudea.... so yeah. dont disregard that one so quickly.
@0Chimaerea0
Ай бұрын
Note; cimelia doesn't specify it needs to be a monster to activate its effect, hence the weird restriction
@christg99
Ай бұрын
Is that really how it works? She can just chill in the backrow for the entire game and act as a pseudo-negate, provided you've got stuff to place back there?
@batsmak2506
Ай бұрын
On the contrary, monsters only have effects while treated as spells/traps if they specifically say they do. That pseudo negate effect doesn't have anything stating it can be used while not a monster, so it can only be used while it is a monster.
@christg99
Ай бұрын
Woo, I'm super early on this one. I don't disagree that Cimelia is a bad card (I don't know why they keep giving the deck such bad/mediocre cards when it had such good potential on its initial release), BUT... you can just put her back in the Spell/Trap zone. You don't need GY set-up or a field. If (somehow) she is on the field, you summon Primera, you go Primera to search, your opponent chains Veiler, you can just Cimelia to put herself back and keep the Primera. Still bad, but I think that's worth noting.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
good point! if we didnt have the restriction of not being able to special summon itself after that, then it would be a totally different scenario where now cimelia and the primera in your example could sync. but i think realistically getting to that scenario would be in a position where you get back an oath after using it off primus and you bring out cimelia on their turn to protect your crimson ladder - basically what youre saying
@alexandrubragari1537
Ай бұрын
Wow a good centurion new card? Insane ahah
@jasonszeto6316
Ай бұрын
On the primus pop, i thought you could just choose either itself with primera in spell and trap zone, or stand up while primus is on the field and both of those cards have destruction prevention effects? EDIT: nevermind stand up is opponents effect only 💀
@whydnt
Ай бұрын
Yeah, kinda weird. I guess centurion dont really need their normal summon, but if you do that, opponent can just put that special centurion back into the s/t zone and its stuck there for this turn. I mean they still there and they can play during opponent turn so its not that bad, but it does stop the line. Unless, you play alot of centurion brick, the quick play, emblema and stuff. I guess you put it on s/t zone with stand up, and summoning it to prevent stuff before you "normal summon" primera. In this case, you can still special summon the primera. I dont even play emblema, and the other dark tuner because it need emblema. I actualy still experimenting the deck itself and play it on other deck, in this case, and the ratio is 1 primera and 1 phalank just for the synchro target.
@orbital.l6986
Ай бұрын
Don’t sleep on cimelia, I play centurion a lot and she’s not bad at all, strong 1 of. Opening oath and any centurion starter like the field spell or primera/trudea is full uninterrupted combo from monster effects. You use oath to place her in the field zone to ss itself and normal primera, or trudea etc for combo, and its effect can place itself in the spell trap zone, so it can ss itself next turn for further protection.
@teryllemay9717
Ай бұрын
Yes but you wouldn’t be able to summon anything but centur-ion monsters while she is on the field
@christg99
Ай бұрын
Pretty much. I don't think she's that good, but a better combo I can think of is that if you draw Stand-Up plus her, or even Emblema Oath, you can normal summon her, then use Stand up or Emblema to protect Turdea/Primera from anything except Imperm. In that case, I don't know why you wouldn't want to just draw Pimera/Trudea and a Stand up/Emblema, but still.
@orbital.l6986
Ай бұрын
@@teryllemay9717 Thats not an issue if have full combo with trudea. For example you place cimelia with oath, ss it and normal trudea, trudea effect to place primera and place itself in the spell trap zone, ss primera and primera effect to grab gargoyle, send trudea to ss gargoyle and go into auxila. It’s way better than summoning primera and getting ash/veiler. If you really want you go into more than just centurion you can just send cimelia off the field with the field spell to search, if you just want to protect your primera effect.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
the problem with this is the same problem with all win more cards. youre describing a custom hand that already lets you play, and then also saying the opponent isnt allowed to use imperm (currently maybe even more commonly played than ash) and your opponent isnt allowed to hand trap you more than once per turn (current SE standard hand trap count is twenty cards) most likely outcome for pure centurion is youre forced to play it because the deck has so few good cards and it is what it is cuz you have no options
@orbital.l6986
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO I agree but that really only applies to pure centurion which most people don’t play, even I run it with bystials at the least, but it’s technically not a win more card in a deck that’s highly consistent with one card combos, it’s a 1 of regardless and gives protection to a very important starter of the deck from ash and veiler. It’s not amazing but it’s definitely not a bad or trash card for a deck like centurion, even the last lv4 Atrii isn’t the best, but being a tuner makes it a very important 1 of for the deck. Especially to help make the synchro 8 now.
@TEDDYSCARDSGAMESLLC
Ай бұрын
Do you actually play Centur-ion? You can discard a Centur-ion with the field spell and or use the quick play to foolish a Centur-ion to grave
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
google "what is a win more card?"
@feuerweier
Ай бұрын
Waht you think about Duality , we can tribiut the synchro 8 Centurion and we get Dragon and draw 1 card ??
@feuerweier
Ай бұрын
And after that we reborn the synchro with trap . Activat emblem get atri draw 1 card . Go into legatia draw 1 card and we draw 3 cards and have ominegate dragon
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
win more card. not worth it
@feuerweier
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO We have in the pure version with out calemety. Blazar and handtraps in good scenarios 2 blazar . 2 interuption not good . We need More Interruption
@Yugizoomer
Ай бұрын
We need a monster that has targeting protection whilst it is a trap. Probably to much to ask, but it would be nice. It's almost like konami wants these to stick around for a while since all the new stuff is a bit meh compared to fiendsmith or Snake Eyes.
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