*Follow-Up Video **kzitem.info/news/bejne/mo2O4J9jbYSfeqw* The focus here is showing the CPU demands of RPCS3, not expectation of a 4c/4t processor.
@GATERISTIC
6 жыл бұрын
Was this video a joke? You should know by now,a God damn i5 4 core cpu thats not even overclockable has no merits in 2018.I'm using ryzen 1600 oc and persona 5 and other games run great.this is a cheap ass processor. So if I were u,id save up,sell this rig and get something like the 8400.It's not a emulator problem,its a you problem.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
No at all. And I was very clear about every detail.
@the_king_of_normies1501
6 жыл бұрын
Are you using vulkan? When i tried opengl my cpu goes to 100. Vulkan lowered that to 40. Gpu usage also changed going from 10 30%.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Yeh Vulkan. Of course I tested both. You can actually see in the on screen display.
@RyoGrattius
6 жыл бұрын
@informative gamer s I think that's a bit much. Saying it has no merits just isn't true. For demanding games in RPCS3, yeah sure, but in general, no. That being said, TCG, you do come off as really salty in this video. And as if you are blaming the emulator vs your hardware e.i. "ps3 emulator: Huge Problem" and go on to rant about not being able to run it on the cheapest i5 from ~3 years ago and how it's the emulators fault.
@Yahfz
6 жыл бұрын
I was the one who recorded the sonic footage and i used an 8700k at 5ghz which is now added to the video description. To be completely honest we always have the cpu used on the description of the videos (if you go back to any of them, you`ll see the specs listed), we just honestly forgot to add in this one, sorry if it was misleading in any way, definetly wasn't our intention. Also, one thing people seem to forget quite often is that even though RPCS3 has a lot of games that are actually playable we are in still in ALPHA, there are still many features that are being added every single day, and while we've come a long way, its still a Playstation 3, expecting it to run perfectly on a quad core is quite unrealistic, especially if the emulator is in alpha.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Yahfz, especially in the emulation community, there's never any room for differing opinions no matter how balanced. I was extremely fair with my assessment. I'm not annoyed, frustrated, salty. I shared my findings and have my own opinion. I support what you guys do. My channel is dedicated to emulation, I wish people weren't so tied to groups.
@TRANCEP0RT
6 жыл бұрын
To be honest (no hate!), i don´t really get why you did this video. Ok, there is no real minimum system, but to be honest, doesnt that change from game to game, and (alpha!) from version to version? Plus, did you really expect that a 3 years old midrange CPU could handle to emulate a 8 core Cell-CPU? Last Point: it´s the same with cemu: you can work on performance after (nearly) all games are supported by the emulator.
@federicocatelli8785
6 жыл бұрын
What's the gpu on that system?
@Yahfz
6 жыл бұрын
GTX 1080
@GORO911
6 жыл бұрын
Yahfz Appreciate your work. Hopefully Rpcs3 will be optimized enough for my Lenovo y50 one day. That Sonic video left me drooling
@RmnGnzlz
6 жыл бұрын
If the problem is hardware power that is the best problem an emulator can have since time solves it no matter what.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
With a powerful system RPCS3 is fantastic. Visuals, sound, performance, but yeh you really need a beast!
@badassgenevideos
6 жыл бұрын
playing MAME zSnes Bleem on my Pentium 100mhz was a pain back then then I upgraded to Pentium 233mhz. it was night and day. this problem exist since the beginning of console emulation. back them I can't comprehend I can't get 60fps on my 100mhz pc vs the snes 3.8mhz. I'm surprised 8 core ps3 is running on a 4 core i5.
@ArabianFreedom
6 жыл бұрын
Six months ago I tested RPCS3 for the first time. Played a bit of Demon's Souls on my i5-6600K, it ran very good minus the annoying caching stutters. I noticed this: PS consoles are hard to emulate. Look at what happened to PS1 and PS2 emulators. PCSX2 is still power hungry.
@pleheh
6 жыл бұрын
The i5 6600k has tsx support and the i5 6400 doesnt .that plus the clock difference gets you the boost in performance
@trymsan4368
6 жыл бұрын
The n64 is still much harder to emulate than the ps1, due to a special chip in it. For example, while the 3DS is able to emulate some ps1 games at low fps, it isn't able to emulate the n64 at all, while the PSP can. The reason the PSP is able to emulate the n64 is because it shares a similar kind of chip.
@PurushNahiMahaPurush
6 жыл бұрын
They are always hard to emulate because Sony used to go out of their way to make their custom CPUs. And since Sony has always dominated the console market, this meant that a game made for the Playstation will be difficult to port to other systems. This philosophy backfired during the PS3 era when Microsoft had the dominant console. Sony during the PS3 era took so many losses that they eventually scrapped the idea of custom CPUs in favor of off the shelf x86 chips from AMD. Emulating the PS4 would be relatively lighter because of similar to PC architecture and CPU instruction set.
@sahilvashisth5312
6 жыл бұрын
Vaibhav Shah so u mean ps4 emulator will be easy as compare to rpcs3......
@devyvalentinoify
6 жыл бұрын
We finally have a Xbox Emulator that works just recently
@weebplutia9843
6 жыл бұрын
I'm still happy to see how far this emulator is making progress. I can't wait to build my rig for this emulator.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
On the right rig, definitely!
@weebplutia9843
6 жыл бұрын
TheComplainingGamer yup i7 8700k and GTX 1080 Ti with 16gb ddr4
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Savage!
@john5311
4 жыл бұрын
you might need a threadripper with the best cooler at max overclock and 4 rtx 2080 tis with sli
@RyoGrattius
6 жыл бұрын
The vagueness of system requirements is because it changes drastically depending on the game you are running. Caroline can run on a dual core i3 at full speed without any drops. RPCS3 is also benefits from core count, which is why it works so well with coffee lake i5/i7s and ryzen 5/7s.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@jorgevespucci9878
6 жыл бұрын
Its surprising how well this runs on my oc'ed fx6300
@DenGuleBalje
6 жыл бұрын
Jeff & Jeff So Ryzen Threadripper 1950x would be good then?
@RyoGrattius
6 жыл бұрын
It isn't THAT multithreaded. Anything above 8 cores isn't used much at all if it is even used. the current best CPU is the 8700k, despite the R7 2700x having 8c/16t because IPC still matters bigtime. The upcoming 8c/16t cannonlake i9 will be the new king when it comes out.
@Pngwolffman
6 жыл бұрын
It's NOT the fault of the emulator that the system requirements are so high. PS3 emulation is EXTREMELY demanding at this time and will continue to remain so, until computers become more powerful. The PS3 has extremely complex hardware that was totally unique, that's why games were very hard to develop for it, and early games ran better on the simpler designed XB360. Optimization of the emulator will help to a point, but it's STILL emulating PS3 games. It's disingenuous to knock an emulator and it's developers for something completely out of their control. Edit: So I'm being clear. Over time optimization will make emulating PS3 games run much better than they do now, but it will not lower the system requirements a whole lot.
@Petar321_GT
6 жыл бұрын
Seriously underrated youtuber!
@capcom23
6 жыл бұрын
unless you write a comment that the emulator isn't working it gets deleted. I had to vote the video down for that. Kinda sneaky. At least try to ask what the problem is... but no comment was deleted
@JosivanCienciaETecnologia
6 жыл бұрын
Some points: Now RPCS3 is focusing in precision, developers already said that since precision is achieved they will work on optimizations. probably soon, since 80+% are in-game/playable. The PC spec of the video already was said many times, basically is a i7 8700K @5.0GHz.
@alxjones
6 жыл бұрын
This is just the general software cycle, but emulators tend to release their working builds so we get to see it in action. Generally, you write code that makes the thing work, then you change it to make it work better. The reasons for this are fairly obvious: in general, optimization (or better hardware) is always possible, but functionality may not be. And since there's a bunch of people working on making computers better and just your team working on making your software work, you should focus on that first.
@Nyemku
3 жыл бұрын
Anderson Silva can any of the i5 greatly run the rcps3 in min 720p an constant 60fps for games like resident evil,god of war,gta 5,cod,crysis,uncharted,farcry,tekken 6.
@Namynnuz
6 жыл бұрын
You have to wait a proper optimization. It starts after most working parts are already done and working properly. Which is totally not in our case. Lots of opcode still not realized and it's in low level emulation state. Huge boost in performance well be after switch to a high level emulation. C'mon, 0.0.5a. Alpha. This result is already absolutely stunning. You just have to wait.
@BrandyDerg
6 жыл бұрын
quick fix : jailbreake a ps3
@darrenhoughton1515
4 жыл бұрын
Or buy the original disc and play it on your console.
@gjs9551
4 жыл бұрын
Darren Houghton no
@akulsamuel5054
6 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right man! The lack of info for the emulator's real Specifications for it's every built needs to b displayed correctly...u did a gud job I subscribed ur channel 👍🤘
@vishaltrx7966
4 ай бұрын
Very important content filled video, i never found video in deepth information like this❤🎉
@MegaManNeo
6 жыл бұрын
From my experience compatibility comes after functionality in emulation. That said, the optimization process sure will happen but given how young that emulator is, probably not any time soon.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
For sure, but this thing is always gonna be hungry.
@_mako
6 жыл бұрын
i think its kinda unfair to expect a new game to be readily optimized for mid range systems. on my 2.00 ghz i3 with intel hd 520 and 4 gb ram laptop, i can play odin sphere leifthrasir at a solid 30 fps at native resolution with only occasional audio stuttering in large fights. granted its a remaster of a 2d game on the ps2, but it actually performed much better than the original one did on pcsx2 at x2 native. i get that that may be a gpu bottleneck, but i dont think rpcs3 crushes cpus with every single game. there are several other games that are much better optimized than a high speed 3d game that literally just went ingame for the first time. plus, regardless of how long its been in development, its still advertised as alpha, so expectations should be low, in my opinion.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Can you name a PS3 title which you think I would have better luck with?
@_mako
6 жыл бұрын
i wouldn't know since i havent been able to have a lot of experience with this emulator, but im sure that if my ultra low voltage 2.00 ghz i3 can play a game on it, yours can too. if the emulator itself wasnt at all optimized, i shouldnt have been able to play anything at all. even on pcsx2 my laptop cant maintain a constant framerate on heavier games on native resolution.
@ivanomatrisciano3828
6 жыл бұрын
TheComplainingGamer Persona 5 should run perfectly if your CPU has TSX. If you decide to try this game, don't forget to choose LLVM for both PPU and SPU.
@stiffybeanie4148
6 жыл бұрын
Try Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown it runs and looks well on low end hardware!!!
@SomeonefromArge
6 жыл бұрын
All the Project Diva games runs flawlessly on my old i5 3330
@trignite
6 жыл бұрын
You have an i5 6400 which sadly doesn't support TSX, if you had an i5 6500 which has TSX you'd notice better performance as RPCS3 likes this Instruction set. I'd like to add, RPCS3 put the system specs for asura's wrath playable video "Footage provided by Deminating (8700k @5GHz) Note: 30fps is achievable on lower end CPU's as well such as an i5 4670K"" but the youtube comments were full of people saying an 8700K was required when it wasn't. Almost all the other videos on the channel say the CPU used.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting point.
@gabrielst527
6 жыл бұрын
i have a i5 6500 and it doesn't run better than this.
@trignite
6 жыл бұрын
Compare Persona 5 with TSX on and OFF. Or, try the new SPU Realms PR build from nekotekina it gives like another 10fps in Sonic Unleashed.
@Goblin--Slayer
6 жыл бұрын
Just be patient, i being using emulation for years and it takes lots of time to get the emulator to work 100% as intended, cemu started using lots of cpu power to run semi-stable and now im sure even on ur cpu you can run it ok. The PS3 emulator is the same, i remember some games like ninja gaiden sigma that used more cpu power (use to run at around 10 fps with my 7700k) and now it runs at a smooth 60fps (almost locked using the same cpu), ninja gaiden sigma use to run around 2-3fps now runs around 15-20. It will be better overtime same for your experience, for me sonic works fine without many dips.
@JonathonTheAsshole
6 жыл бұрын
Patience. In the 8-16bit emu era no updates at all were given, no build logs, zero tolerance for inquiring. Projects went silent for months. And if this video was a post on ANY emu forum of the time it would earn you an instant ban.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
The name makes sense.
@arquivo1617
4 жыл бұрын
@@JonathonTheAsshole Naquela época eles não eram pagos para desenvolver o projeto.
@RequisiteZero
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. You're definitely living up to your namesake...
@jSyndeoMusic
6 жыл бұрын
Isn't it convenient? LOL
@Seanvandeusen
6 жыл бұрын
We've heard similar predictions with nearly every emulator. That road block theory was the main issue for cemu. However they manage to destroy it. And at 5 years ahead of most peoples guesses. This is because emulators can be rewired in time to be less CPU demanding while utilizing more of the GPU. This is we have cache and shaders constantly being dumped into saved into a folder. This way the CPU doesnt need to constantly do it each time a game a played. So that's already taking off a huge chunk of work off the CPU. But the ps2, dreamcast, PSP, wii and Wii u emulators all gave us 100% CPU usage during their early stages. Now you can play some of these emulators on a mobile device lol. If you play with the files you can already get some great results. Occlusion is a major issue with the emulator and that's a GPU issue. If you disable it you can get around 30 fps back. Like skate 3 now runs at 40 to 60fps on my friends i7 2600k. I own a i7 8700k 5ghz and game the same results as anyone online trying to get similar games working. While I agree its currently a CPU issue. I however predict it wont be a issue even on older CPUs within the next 2 years. Yall can disagree with me! I'll check back in 2 years. :)
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
I support your belief on a spiritual level : )
@Seanvandeusen
6 жыл бұрын
TheComplainingGamer I'm obsessed with emulators. And been following them since the n64 emu days. The CPU capping out has always been an issue until they figured out how to balance it with the GPU. There's people trying this emulator with i9 and ryzens with a ridiculous amount of cores and are still capping out their CPUs. Meaning it doesnt appear to be a core issue and if so those cpus should have no problem running the emulator. Especially seeing they have more cores and faster cores. But yes we will see! Every emulator was deemed impossible at some point! #ihavehope
@everillangel5037
6 жыл бұрын
sean vandeusen wait how did you turn occlusion off
@Seanvandeusen
6 жыл бұрын
Everill angel go into the main folder and open config.yml in wordpad or notepad. Once it's open scroll down to "disable ZCull Occlusion Queries" and change "false" to true
@r3sgthepvs448
4 жыл бұрын
It havely depends on the game a game that takes advantage off the power of the cell procesor will be hard to run becose when it comes to raw floating point preformenc the cell prozesor is up ther with a i9 prozesor
@TerracraftGaming
6 жыл бұрын
I think it might just be your CPU model. I've been running RPCS3 just fine on a i5-6500 non k. with 10gb of ram, and a GTX 970. All compatible games I've tested with it ran great and I had actually been playing a lot of skate 3 with RPCS3.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
FPS? Stability?
@TerracraftGaming
6 жыл бұрын
TheComplainingGamer Full speed with a few minor fluctuations. So 30 or 60 depending on the game. The only instability I've had is that of the Demons souls crashing thing that's quite well documented.
@RaimarLunardi
6 жыл бұрын
Demon Souls runs better on my i5 than PUBG... that's amazing!
@Kniffel101
6 жыл бұрын
Sonic Unleashed is one of the most demanding games on the PS3, it's obvious that it'll take a lot of CPU power, especially since the console is so complicated! Once RPCS3's devs lowered CPU usage significantly though, it'll be the best version of the game (until SEGA releases a PC port) because it's got an unlocked framerate; unlike the 360's version which is capped at 30)
@gabrielst527
6 жыл бұрын
ehhh it also was a ps2 game when it released, just saying
@Kniffel101
6 жыл бұрын
That is *not* the same game, at all. They have completely differently designed levels and a different gameplay style etc.
@amortalbeing
5 жыл бұрын
Your points remind me of the early days of ps2 emulation. back then, in early 2000s, the devs used to say a P4 2.4Ghz is recommended! fast forward 2 decades later, and now even a quad core cpu clocked as nearly twice as that of P4s 2.4Ghz speed in the early days, struggles at some games. So dont expect too much and note that PS3 was a beast to begin with. PS3 emulation would be fine in the next 5 years when the majority of PCs have 6/8+ cores .
@godswordevangelism
6 жыл бұрын
I agree. As game systems become more complex...and the PS3 was the most complex of them all....to emulate them, we need really high end PCs to run them. Right now for RPCS3 to run well, you will probably need an 8th gen i7 @ 3.5Ghz or an AMD Ryzen 7 with 16GB RAM and a GTX 1060 GPU. This is why it will be a looooong time before we will see a PS4 emulator or an XBOX One emulator, if ever at all!
@PurushNahiMahaPurush
6 жыл бұрын
The CPU demands of this emulator is INSANE! This just goes to show what a shitshow PS3's Cell CPU was that it takes this much power to emulate it.
@cammelspit
6 жыл бұрын
I thought it was pretty well understood that all emulators for modernish consoles have INSANE requirements to get good results. The reason they can't even toss out a ballpark figure for the specs needed is that literally, every single game would need its own entry and to top it all off they change drastically over time. This happened with Dolphin before and it will happen again every time. Now, even crappy laptops can run dolphin acceptably on nearly every game.
@L1Q
6 жыл бұрын
So your main point here is "emulator developers should always include system specs used on all of their footage". Fair point I guess. That sonic footage was provided by a community member as you can find out from their discord message. Devs can't possibly run all the games for tests after every change in the code, so that community input is normal. Maybe they should force all the community members who provide footage to also provide specs, but in cases like this showcase, it's always more important to show off what software can now do than outline any hardware required. Remember: emulators are software projects and hardware evolves and gets cheaper naturally over time.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
I actually wanted to highlight the CPU demands on a 4c/4t system.
@L1Q
6 жыл бұрын
It's highly unreasonable to demand some software to run on certain hardware configs, especially when said software is in such early stage in development.
@michaelmeux4137
2 жыл бұрын
Just got the emulator going but don't plan on playing it with 100% pegged CPU. Looked at the system requirements and everything looked good for what I have but guess a thread ripper is required lol hopefully they will get a update/patch or something that makes it more efficient rather than a cpu undertaker. It is amazing they got it working and hats off to the creators.
@Dread-I-Productions
6 жыл бұрын
i5 3570k oc to 4.4ghz 16gb ddr3 gtx1050 ti rpcs3 = slide show everything else (all other emulators tried including xbox360 and wii U) seems to work much better
@Dread-I-Productions
6 жыл бұрын
this is NOT a pop at the team btw just putting my specs so others with similar hardware dont get disheartened :) as always this emu like most of the others may start out ropey but the finish line approaches rapidly and i am pretty certain good things come to those who wait :) Go RPCS3 team :)
@dlaldlaldlanutsntnstn1418
6 жыл бұрын
Are you.....complaining?
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
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@theredguy2670
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheComplainingGamer (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*.✧
@RatInACage
6 жыл бұрын
With my old 2700K @4.5 I can play at full speed most playable games, like catherine, tekken 6, lollipop chainsaw, gow collection, soulcalibur iv, ninja gaiden... near full speed with ni no kuni, asura's wrath, jojo bizzarre, top spin 4, persona 5.. In the last months I see good performance gains, like in cemu one year ago.
@jSyndeoMusic
6 жыл бұрын
I just ordered an i7-2600 @ 3.5 (I'm on a budget build and my Sandy Bridge mobo doesn't support OC, hence the non-K chip), so I definitely know I won't be getting speeds like your 4.5 chip with my new 3.5 one... but is your CPU maxing out for these games, or is there some headroom? My computer's current i5-2500S @ 2.7 runs JoJo All-Star Battle (the only game I've tested) at about 20-25 FPS, and it's definitely CPU-bound, as the usage maxes out. Also, is the JoJo game you tested ASB, or Eyes of Heaven?
@RatInACage
6 жыл бұрын
Yes is ABS.. curiously I have the same fps, 20-25 but cpu usage is 60-70% ..now I try at stock frequency if there a difference.
@RatInACage
6 жыл бұрын
Yes is ASB, curiously I have similar fps, 20-25 in game and 30 in cut-scene with cpu usage 60-70% ...strangely if I run at stock frequencies the fps and cpu usage is the same.. I try with Persona 5 and at stock the drop is 6-7 fps (cpu at 80-90%)
@Alitlittlehedgehog
Жыл бұрын
I really feel that emulation for guaranteed performance takes 2 times that of the original hardware. Ie ps3 had, originally, an octocore 1.7 processor and 500mhz graphics as well as 256mbs ddr5. So if you want no trouble you would aim to double that.
@evergaolbird
6 жыл бұрын
One HUGE Problem - Emulator is still in constant development. Its a trend many PC gamers seen throughout the years since the first PSX Emulator to this day. Its nothing new. All everyone can do is support the development team in what they do. That's it, but nothing's perfect - which all depends in what kind of progress they will do. Cause remember - the PS3 is using a Cell microprocessor which completely computes differently compared to any standard PC Processors out there. Workarounds can be applied to make games run faster and perhaps without sacrificing compatibility. But it all depends on the reception of the developers will get as they progress.
@AuraBOI
6 жыл бұрын
It's funny you use Sonic Unleashed for this video, I tried this emulator a few weeks ago to play Sonic Unleashed cause it's one of my favorite games, but it only got to the title then froze.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Then it's definitely time to try again!
@xRomeo999
6 жыл бұрын
Kyledude252 ,yeah some games they are playing. I can't even get to boot and it's the same version.
@ionamygdalon2263
2 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% Subscribed!
@granvillimus
6 жыл бұрын
As players of course we want as much performance as possible out of our systems, and RPCS3 will probably get faster as time goes on. Emulation has always been particularly CPU hungry. A lot of the time, clock speed and single threaded performance is more important than core count. That seems to be somewhat the case with RPCS3 as well, though I don't know how well it is multi-threaded (so perhaps it's core hungry too). But honestly, i'm surprised PS3 runs as well as it does on even really powerful hardware. I admit to knowing little about the PS3, but I did not expect an emulator to be possible this soon. When PS3 released, a big deal was made about its Cell CPU, which was cited as extremely powerful and complex in its day. I would expect it to take a ton of power to emulate it properly, so i'm kind of surprised we're already this far along. Giving out specific system requirements for emulators isn't really feasible. The only solution would be to analyze each game individually just as you do with PC games. Every game is going to perform differently than the other. Some you can get by with more meager CPUs (like perhaps 2D games or maybe some PS2 remasters or whatnot), whereas games that really push the system might not work so well. This is true of Cemu as well, even the GPD Win 2 can run simpler games like Mario 3D World decently, but chokes on Zelda.
@nando1881
6 жыл бұрын
One thing I`ve learned is that using Windows 10 greatly improved the performance on my machine over Windows 7, in Win 7 I was getting freezes and 100% usage all the time making impossible to record or even play any RPCS3 game. I don`t know if that`s a thing or simply is my machine ( my Win 7 doesn`t have any virus and is up to date like my Win 10 with latest drivers ). I have a I5 3470 + 12GB Ram @1600mhz + GTX 1060 6GB.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Yeh I like Windows 10.
@ambrosia7924
6 жыл бұрын
Transparency is important, but remember speed is often traded off for stability and compatibility, I'd prefer the latter if a high end system can run it.
@ambrosia7924
6 жыл бұрын
To be clear I mean a 4-5 year old high end system, not a 8600k.
@LinoshTheHaloGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Just like Xenia, using Vulkan could help, and optimizing the emulator to use GPU to process some more load can drastically speed up performance
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
It does use Vulkan.
@LinoshTheHaloGamer
6 жыл бұрын
TheComplainingGamer Better use of Vulkan can reduce CPU load, this is how DOOM (2016) uses efficiently, PPSSPP has seen notable performance boost with Vulkan, even with experimental version
@BleachGuitar
6 жыл бұрын
Do you have any idea of how a CPU works and how an emulator works? Look at the big difference between xenia and RPCS3. That's because the Xenon processor inside Xbox 360 is basically an overpowered 3-core SIMD IBM PowerPC processor. PowerPC is well known architecture, much easier to emulate. And that's why Wii and WiiU were so simple to emulate, they both use PowerPCs. The Cell processor is really really complicated compared to Xenon. Think about this. The more two architectures are different, the more processing power you need to emulate the target architecture. Modern emulators do not "emulate", because they don't use interpreters, they use recompilers, so they are like "VMs". They recompile code on the fly to make it work with the x86-64 instruction set. So the RPCS3 team just needs to improve their recompiling code, and that's not a simple work, at all. Their work is awesome and I think you should rather thank them if the emulator works on high-end PCs instead of saying bullshit because you know nothing about hardware architecture and it doesn't run flawlessly on a mid/low end PC.
@Johnsaintss
6 жыл бұрын
It's a matter of optimization i think. Now i can run Cemu games just fine, but in the past was a pain to run even Mario 3D. I'm now playing Asuras Wrath almost at locked 30 and Dragon's Crown at 60 frames. Only Demons Souls is a bit slow. My specs: I7 870, 12 Gb DDR3 Ram and GTX 970. Windows 10 Pro.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Any more games to the list?
@Johnsaintss
6 жыл бұрын
Kingdom Hearts 1.5, but this game freezes a lot in the last versions. I'll try Persona 5 later.
@MasterTurkey
6 жыл бұрын
8700k works fairly well. my 4790k worked for most things, but some things it was not powerful enough to get good fps.
@littlebeanze8210
6 жыл бұрын
I can say personally that for me on a i3-4170 I can run all playable games like Demon Souls or Drakegard 3 or Dark souls 2 at 30fps with some weird sound issues though, except from that it runs fine. Also I think they did use to show their specs on their earlier videos.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Hm really?
@littlebeanze8210
6 жыл бұрын
TheComplainingGamer yeah, almost perfect 30 but it does have the annoying sound issue so I have to play with no sound
@NefesTOficial
6 жыл бұрын
Little Beanze bs, i have an fx 8350 16gb ram and a 1060 and demon souls runs 30fps like only 40% of the game... it needs optimization. An emulator only for high end pcs is a waste of time
@littlebeanze8210
6 жыл бұрын
NefesTOficial I'll upload a video showing this tomorrow
@Deinorius
6 жыл бұрын
This emulator is still work in progress, in an alpha state. It has to emulate an Cell chip, which is a hell of a work to do. I'm still impressed today, that there IS even an emulator, that can emulate Cell that far even though it is HLE. Your argument seems fair and not aggressive, but it is BS. I hope you understand the difference between HLE and LLE. To think that in this state of development any complaint about hardware demands might be reasonable is just idiotic. Sorry about that. Keep it as it is and wait for further development.
@drphalange8234
6 жыл бұрын
I never expect to get the same results on my system since the gameplay videos are always on top end hardware. I test, tweak, and wait for new builds
@enioapolinario8538
5 жыл бұрын
1:10 - I have to correct you in just one thing: PS3 (i mean, you are talking about the CPU of the console right?) is not a 8 cores, even the PS4 is truly a 8 core (search for bulldozer archicteture and jaguar) and i dont find anything about the threads in PS3 console but i can truly say that the console CPU/PS3 is a single core, maybe a 2 threads or 4 threads (its hard to say and again, i dont find anything on internet about this) Its just this, please dont be angry or block me, i am not trying to offend you and yes, in theory, your CPU its supossed to run PS3 smoothy, maybe in the future with the optimizations PS: My english is rubbish, i am not a native speaking
@r3sgthepvs448
4 жыл бұрын
Not trying to ofend you but i think i need to gif you a very basic cpu architecture lesson. The ps3 in theory has a 9 core cpu It is a ibm cell processor wich consists of 1 ppe core And 8 SPE Cores only 7 of them were yoused for games. To top everything off this cpu has a theoretical prossesing powere of over 200 gflops that is on paar with modern i9 cpu. So it is a technical marvel that the emulator is so far as it is .But i think we are 5 to 8 jears away of having the last of us and unscharted 3 runing with all particl efects and no visual bucks on a mid range cpu. We probably will have the last of us remasterd perfectly runing on a ps4 emulator before we will see the same fore the original on a ps3 emulator
@arquivo1617
4 жыл бұрын
PS3 era uma cpu de um único núcleo. esse papo de múltiplos núcleos é balela.
@MusicaenLivo
6 жыл бұрын
I believe his main point is that there's a lack of communication regarding specifications that is required to run current versions of rpcs3 that is represented in their videos. Overall, a lack of communication of a ball park requirement to run games at native and above. I agree. I wasn't entirely my little gt 1030 could run cemu, but it does surprisingly well. Not perfect but I'm sure that cemu will progress 😆.
@claymournesden8705
5 жыл бұрын
The only reason You had no issue emulating with your i5 before you tried rcps3 is because they were less demanding consoles to emulate, not to mention rcps3 is still in alpha stages of development. Give it a break.
@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526
3 жыл бұрын
A ps3 doesn't have 8cores it has one real "core" and 8 special processing units with one disabled. the 8 special processing units are SMID only and no Branch prediction so not really considered cores, its a lot more complex then that but that would be the correct info for your viewers.
@akdragonpc473
6 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but saying anything negative about RPCS3 in its current state is just silly. There is one huge problem and its the title of this video if it were something like "RPCS3's demanding hardware requirements" it would have made more sense, especially considering its still early days in terms of development. Saying that I just completed Burst Limit in 4K@45fps with RPCS3 using a 3770K@4.5ghz and a 980ti; that is amazing.
@NativeWarrior081
6 жыл бұрын
My current specs is i7 8700K @ 5GHz, GTX 1080Ti, 16 GB DDR4 @ 4200MHz. I'm going to upgrade to the i9 9900K! It's going to beast for RPCS3 paired with the 1180 when it releases.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
That'll do it XD
@rohanjose4967
6 жыл бұрын
1180 wont do much since you will be in a cpu bottleneck for the most part
@RyoGrattius
6 жыл бұрын
Unrelated question, did you have to delid to get to 5Ghz? I've got one cooled by a Corsair H100i v2 and I can't get above 4.7 without becoming unstable, even at 1.4v. I strongly think it's my thermals limiting me because everywhere I look 5Ghz is easily achieved and my cpu does get hot at 4.7
@rohanjose4967
6 жыл бұрын
Jeff & Jeff may be it could be silicon lottery not all chips are the same
@goodstufffromchina6236
6 жыл бұрын
good cpu is really expensive while second hand ps3 with cfw not
@BigOtakuGamerSHAWNY
6 жыл бұрын
Runs 100% fine on my i7. I'm just surprised that there's a working Ps3 emulator and a Ps4 one in the works. We should be greatful for that in this day in age
@danielau1712
6 ай бұрын
Which i7 CPU did you use? And which GPU?
@BigOtakuGamerSHAWNY
6 ай бұрын
@danielau1712 this was 5 years ago I don't remember lol I have a Ryzen 7 3700x and a 3070ti and RPCS3 works like a dream. Even runs fine on my steam deck
@arefinkhandaker4370
4 жыл бұрын
in 2020, another example of high end cpu dependent emulator is Gameloop that nowadays people use for playing pubgm. Even my i7-8700k with rtx 2080 super cant provide stable fps in that emulator. Although the cpu usage doesnt exceed more than 30% . Constantly lags.
@raresmacovei8382
6 жыл бұрын
PS3 has 7* cores. Sure, it technically has 8 cores on it, the 8th core is there for improved yields, it's never used otherwise. Games have access to 6 cores, the OS uses the 7th core.
@blazkify
6 жыл бұрын
thats why if you want to do emulation, buy the AMD Ryzen series CPU. The more core count the better it is in emulation
@ImSumGuy
6 жыл бұрын
The website doesn't help really, but I think the main issue is 4 threads. The PS3 had an 8-core CPU so single threads are doing parallel computing. In other words, even with the significantly faster single core performance your i5 has to something like a quad core Haswell processor, it's not enough to make up for the lack of efficiency of 1 thread emulating 2. I doubt you'll be able to emulate many of the CPU heavy games on your current system because of it, no matter how much optimization RPCS3 gets. But you could likely upgrade to an i7 that fits in your motherboard with hyperthreading and be up and running.
@tkgamingnetwork451
4 жыл бұрын
I got a i9 9900k and i always got the locked fps 30 or 60 when that is supported somegames however just run horrible u should try a different games big small and see the result hope it work out for all of you this emulator is INCREDIBLE respect for the people who made this this emulator is just nuts can never thought i would live to see the day that i played demon souls on the pc !
@THEultimateDreamsCatcher
6 жыл бұрын
I think the specs are game specific for the emulator, and the developers can probably add their own specs used testing the game. Just like PC games, they all have their own spec requirements.
@oliver24x
6 жыл бұрын
The emulator scene needs to stop complaining about requirements being too high for emulators.
@ofonimeobot2023
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with this 100% The specifications listed for running RCPS3 is misleading. My CPU is similar to yours in performance. It also fits the minimum and recommended requirements listed in the rcps3 website for emulating. I tried playing FIFA 09 on the emulator and it was/is impossible. No setting delivers playable frames. The same pc runs FIFA19, WatchDogs2 and even PES2019 with ease. I got really confused, but then again I understand the architecture is different. I just wish I had more clarity before trying.
@johnkeane320
3 жыл бұрын
the new ryzen 5000 should be incredible at emulation
@lordadz1615
6 жыл бұрын
hope unleashed becomes playable on lower hardware
@giphitt3427
6 жыл бұрын
You could try the wii version on dolphin.
@lordadz1615
6 жыл бұрын
Giphitt i have although the games are different in layout and gameplay sorta. Missing levels and some other stuff
@giphitt3427
6 жыл бұрын
Lord Adz Yeah the wii version isn't as good but it's more playable. I think sega should port colours and unleashed to PC. They ported Lost world but not colors.
@coloredwhite
6 жыл бұрын
It's been years in the making, we have a long way to go for better optimization and continued support for years to come
@012345678944107
6 жыл бұрын
They could use the GPU as CPU for the RPCS3
@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage
6 жыл бұрын
Some games are fairy reasonable but some hog the CPU hard. But I have an 8700K but even it gets hammered sometime depending on the game. It's certainly not cheap to emulate PS3 games on PC, games can be had cheap but not the HW. It will take time but I'm sure they will improve that overtime, they have been doing amazing work.
@cuzsleepisthecousinofdeath
6 жыл бұрын
PS3/xbox360 have a processor based on *RISC* architecture, pc's processors are *CISC* architecture Where does the stutter come from? - Recompiling/compiling stuff from PS3's CELL binaries into x86-64 pc's binaries en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)#Architecture
@EclipseMints08
6 жыл бұрын
RPCS3, even with so much progression, is still in the early stages. Don't like how something is? Wait two years.
@couchpotato9268
6 жыл бұрын
It will get better overtime since the emulator is still in pre alpha stage..
@AndrewTSq
6 жыл бұрын
I think most people know that the ps3 had a workhouse of cpu. Thinking that anything except a current high end cpu would do the job is kind of..
@vasilis23456
6 жыл бұрын
The reason rpcs3 has such huge demands is that the PS3 has 9 cores. Rpcs3 only has to emulate I think 7 of them because one core is reserved to the ps3s OS and one is extra and unused. That's 7 threads being interpreted at the same time, not only does it take longer to interpret commands than to execute them, but if you have an under cored CPU it really bottlenecks the whole emulator.
@Fender178
6 жыл бұрын
I can say this. When I 1st ran Persona 5 on RPCS3 back in March the intro video was a stuttering and slow mess on my gaming Laptop with a i7 7700HQ and GTX 1060 6GB no matter what settings I set the Emulator to. Now it runs fine and dandy thanks to some great optimization. Next I went ahead and loaded up another game that I have and it had some slow downs but changing the Render from Vulkan to OpenGL fixed that. I think for the 1st time having an i7 or a Ryzen 5 with 4c/8t is beneficial to have at minimum to have good performance with this emulator. So maybe switching the render from Vulkan to OpenGL might help with performance.
@vocaloidsubita
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, RPCS3 is so CPU-intensive... My laptop runs many games pretty good, but I can literally cook eggs on it!
@zakielangel
6 жыл бұрын
well i have a 1080 ti and a ryzen 1800x whit 16 GB of RAM at 3000 mhz, and i dont have any problem to emulate PS3 games. and i think that whit every new emulator for newer consoles, its logic that we need more powerfull PCs
@bpdmf2798
4 жыл бұрын
People are probably playing their games on ultra whereas you're adjusting graphics options to maximize fps.
@Virjoinga
6 жыл бұрын
I have a GTX 1050ti and i7 4790 and every time I see these improvement videos I am always disappointed because my fps is way lower than is showed
@antoniorsoftware
6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately many of the latest performance improvements are based on something called TSX, which is disabled on the 4xxx series of Intel processors. I have a i5 4690k.
@saitoXamaterasu
6 жыл бұрын
AntonioR Software even i5 8400 new generation dont have one : c is sad
@ferreroman2913
6 жыл бұрын
should of bought ryzen :/
@jSyndeoMusic
6 жыл бұрын
+ferreroman According to this article, AMD's Ryzen chips don't support TSX (the feature mentioned by +AntonioR above)-it's currently only implemented by Intel. www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RPCS3-Intel-TSX-Support
@DenGuleBalje
6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Cooper I'd wait and see what AMD's 7nm chips will look like in a year or so, rumors are that they plan on doubling the core count from their current Ryzen chips. Right now Intel Coffee Lake is the best choice for emulation. Get one of the "K" models and a good cooler. Oh and don't forget to buy a motherboard with a chipset that supports overclocking.
@joeysfather2723
4 жыл бұрын
I'd rather not burn out my CPU bye bye rpcs3 I'll be back in another 5 years
@will3641
6 жыл бұрын
If you play with emulator long enough, then you should expect to use the big CPU (and) or GPU. Look at how long it took to emulate all other platform...... And not one emu can perfectly do everything. Both PS2 and PSP emu are good example. How long they have been developing this? At one point the system requirement was also very very high and crazy. Even now, a few games still required a big system to run smoothly. The CPU in those system aren't as complex as PS3. PS3 got a way too complex hardware design, this made it very hard to make the emulator even at current software and hardware. Beside, they have to write their own code so that they are not breaking any law.....I would say unless they got a huge breakthrough anytime soon on this, the system requirement will still be very high for a good while (5 year +). I am very happy that I can play most of my games at a much higher resolution, even if there are some big performance impact.
@reaux1560
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't the ps3 cpu itself stronger than the I5 6400?
@abzhuofficial
6 жыл бұрын
That is why I moved from an Intel Core i5 to an Intel Core i7 - you're right in a way though, as the "average PC gamer" will don a midrange CPU but with a near-high-end CPU, and 8 to 16GB RAM - THAT, AND YOU HAVE COVERED A GOOD POINT HERE: the RPCS3 developers need to be clearer with system requirements and classify their game emulation status more in line to the average user system choices. Top Spin 4 for instance, is rated as "playable", yet on my Intel Core i7-6700K-based system, when it was tested on the May 2018/June 2018/July 2018 builds, framerates tanked hard on carpet-based courts, clocking at an average of 45FPS, whereas the Intel Core i7-8700K-based systems will perform at 60FPS through and through. That however, isn't mentioned on RPCS3 or anywhere else, except for user comments. NOTA BENE: I've played Persona 5 to completion from September 2017 to December 2017, so by now, on 27th July 2018, RPCS3 does handle Persona 5 much better, based on my limited playthroughs on the newer builds, but from what I have seen, it is still a resource-hungry game when played via RPCS3. Your mileage may vary though
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
They need to do a better job communicating important information straight on their site, not in the depths of discord where no one wants to help you.
@abzhuofficial
6 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly what needs to be done here. It really is hard to find information at times for this reason: because there is very little of it.
@DenGuleBalje
6 жыл бұрын
Well yeah an i5 6400 is pretty outdated. The PS3 CPU was pretty revolutionary at release. People hacked them and used them as servers.
@zashadow131990
6 жыл бұрын
This is not something new. All emulators need very strong cpus. This is a top notch emulator that gives top notch performance. It already is more performant than a lot of people expected, keep in mind this is experimental, there is no guarantee that a performant ps3 emulator is even posible and achievable using silicon based cpus(given the fact that moores law seems to be ending). Also good multithreading application are notoriously hard to develop(there are few emulators that can use many cores and split the load well, most split completely different tasks). Multithreading is so hard to develop, that people are told to avoid it when learning programming. And given the fact that multithreading is so complicated and single threaded performance became almost impossible to improve it may not be possible to ever do console level frame per second on PC unless new technologies develop(intel has the best single core cpu and current cpus are close in performance per core to 4000 series/Hasswell so things stagnated).
@Mattscreative
6 жыл бұрын
even my 4790k can't hold a locked 60fps no matter what i do
@antoniorsoftware
6 жыл бұрын
Google for "TSX", you are simply out of luck.
@TEKNIQUE666
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, well, the 4790k is not high-end in the sense of RPCS3, it doesn't even have TSX, which benefits the performance greatly. From the RPCS3 discord: "[TSX] is very beneficial for RPCS3, as it tries to emulate a very parallel architecture of PS3, where multiple threads need to be synchronized on a very regular basis".
@Mattscreative
6 жыл бұрын
it does have tsx and can be turned on the more you know but i dont feel like editing windows every time a update comes out for tsx which gives a 20-40% boost
@pleheh
6 жыл бұрын
Gamedev1909 yess my i5 6600 does have tsx but why doesnt the i5 6400 i rhought it was just clocked lower
@DenGuleBalje
6 жыл бұрын
TesseracT The 4790k is actually an amazing emulation CPU because of its potential high clocks.
@DanDoesGame
6 жыл бұрын
If you are using an Emulator and dont have to pay for games or a console........ You should be able to afford a decent PC, just saying XD lol If your PC cant run the games, buy a PS3 and mod it
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
My PC suits me just fine.
@DanDoesGame
6 жыл бұрын
TheComplainingGamer It was pointed more at the people you were making the video for....... not you. Its pretty clear if you are making videos on it and recording gameplays of games on it that you have a computer good enough
@alxjones
6 жыл бұрын
SuperDan, emulation is not inherently about piracy. Many of us own the games and hardware but choose to play on emulators for a variety of reasons, including graphics and performance, as well as convenience. For us, emulation doesn't save us any money, it just gives us a different way to play our games, and due to the high PC requirements, actually ends up costing us quite a bit.
@lonewolf3314
6 жыл бұрын
SuperDan emulation is also about saving the games of being totally lost in time.
@J0kerswild21
6 жыл бұрын
Im my opinion your gonna have to wait till it gets optimized better to run on your hardware
@mazenaboalsoud14
2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful thx🥰🥰
@frankseidel3355
4 жыл бұрын
When i want to play like in this Video it's clear that i must spend lots of money. I did so cause it is my passion and i love to play this kind of stuff and i am 46 years old now😌🍺
@jvtify
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think this is really a problem your not gonna run PS3 on mid-range hardware it's amazing it runs on a 8700k really. Especially since hardware improvements are not happening as fast as they used to. Besides the older hardware will come down in price and the newer hardware will run it better and cheaper in the future.
@Errorelli
6 жыл бұрын
I dont get it. The ps3 has 9 core 3 Ghz CPU and you expect a mid range 4 core CPU to outperform the real hardware? I thought its general known that you need more powerful hardware for emulation than the real hardware.
@tristen9736
6 жыл бұрын
Look I get where you’re going with how you’re just trying to say it’s really demanding, but it makes sense that it’s demanding. Like you said the ps3 is a very complex console so of course it’s going to be more demanding than ps2 or older system emulators
@dennissalas8472
6 жыл бұрын
exactly as i thought! if this game demands higher cpu then its no reason to emulate it at this current stage anymore, might good for those who have this i7 8700k but for those who have this mid to low specs regardless of generation then we need to wait..else better to buy a jailbreak'd ps3 loaded with games.. But still, I have more respect with the developers of RPCS3 hope they can optimize the emulator soon for low spec gamers.
@Faulkridd
6 жыл бұрын
Dude...its totally normal, not beacuse its a emulator, cause emulators use pure cpu power, its because of the cell engine that the ps3 used, wich was a nightmare
@briananeuraysem3321
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if RPCS3 could switch to processing stuff on the GPU, I bet that would help a ton! I have an Acer Nitro 5 from a couple years ago and the CPU is slammed without the GPU even doing much at all... I can run RPCS3 on integrated graphics without it bottlenecking! Meanwhile PCSX2 pretty evenly distributes the load
@hunibuni
2 жыл бұрын
Even when a game is paused in RPCS3 it has 8% CPU usage (8700k). It's really inefficient like no other emulator in my rotation.
@YabaiModding
6 жыл бұрын
This emulator is in alpha, dude. It's just dumb to complain about performance in an alpha emulator.
@math001
6 жыл бұрын
It's too early for it to be working that good anyways. PCSX2 took a very long time to get it to where it is now. It was worse than that for typical PCs in the exact time frame considering that PS2 is a much less complex system than the clusterfuck that is PS3. At least games are getting to playable state here and there at a fast rate.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/mo2O4J9jbYSfeqw
@ElProfeNoxcesar
6 жыл бұрын
have you try Preferred SPU threads in 1 or 2 ? please try and let us know :D good video
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Already did before, in Sonic, no difference
@abzhuofficial
6 жыл бұрын
SPU thread count makes very little difference, and usually kneecaps performance. I did that with Persona 5, and with an Intel Core i5, it was either 2 SPU threads with 20FPS (30FPS on very rare occasions) or less, OR SPU threads set to 'Auto', and have 30+FPS with stuttering audio. I raged enough to actually swap out the CPU in the process.
@chrisrichfield8906
6 жыл бұрын
I find it strange that you treat an emulator as a product and expect formal spec requirements, when it's probably just a couple guys that have other jobs working on it in their free time. Emulators take years to get working smoothly, and the PS3 was being purchased by the military for use in supercomputers, so it's not like emulating a Nintendo console. I don't expect this to run well on anything less than 8 cores, maybe ever but at least a couple years from now.
@TheComplainingGamer
6 жыл бұрын
Definitely not for free, their Patreon is doing just fine.
@fergalbad
6 жыл бұрын
Chris Richfield How is that possible when the i7 8700k has six cores and runs games fine?
@chrisrichfield8906
6 жыл бұрын
well its hyperthreaded, so it has 12 threads. i mostly meant anything with less than 8 threads, so an i5 with 4 cores probably wont ever run RPCS3 very well. i doubt my i7 7700hq with no hyperthreading would run it very well either.
@Luke29121999
6 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but an i5 6400 is WOEFULLY underpowered for pretty much anything. It probably doesn't event run CEMU properly.
@propain6404
6 жыл бұрын
Pretty early in the life cycle for this emulator, it makes sense that a PS3 emulator to be extremely demanding due to how complex it is. Well I'm running a 8700k so I don't have this issue at all. So I guess to just wait until the emulator advances.
@ghostmexi007
6 жыл бұрын
What i feel is that the rpc3 people run on 8 core cpus or above not needing much of the speed since a while ago i wanted to run Persona 5 but i couldnt cuz the game was staggering at low fps 1-10 while the guides show somewhat of specs being i7 with at least 8 cores and compare to my 4 core cpu which is an 6300HQ it might be that it is cpu demanding but not to the extremes you mention , might be wrong but thats what i have spotted
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