The case is that 4060 has only 8 lines of pci-e. And it dramatically decreases performance if pci 3.0 is used instead of pci 4.0 as the real throughput is equal to pci 2.0 with only 8 lines of pci effective! So, this is not surprising, because the speed of the pci bus is only 8 Gbytes/sec instead of 16 Gbytes/sec with pci 4.0/8 lines active!
@GamesChoices
6 ай бұрын
well explained 👍
@yuan.pingchen3056
6 ай бұрын
The pcie gen4 is twice throughputs than gen 3, but gen3 is NOT twice than gen2, you can say that pcie 3.0 x8 is not enough for RTX4060, but you shouldn't mention about pcie gen 2
@JohnDoe-ck2hj
6 ай бұрын
@@yuan.pingchen3056 I said that PCI 3.0 with 8 lines is the same as PCI 2.0 with 16 lines active. The max theoretical speed is only 8 GB/sec. And PCI express 3.0 with 16 lines is 16 GB/sec. And yes,it's twice faster than PCI 2.0 when the same number of lines is used! Every next generation of PCI-e is twice faster than the previous one.
@yuan.pingchen3056
6 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-ck2hj pcie gen 3 is 8GT/sec, T=transaction, and pcie gen 2 is 5GT/sec, so pcie gen 3 x 8 is not equal pcie gen 2 x 16
@yuan.pingchen3056
6 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-ck2hj en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
@GamesChoices
Жыл бұрын
Hello guys, New Video On RTX 4060 PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 | Test In 13 Games | is there a Difference? 🤔 | 2023 I really hope this test was helpful, so don’t forget to like and subscribe to the channel to follow the new videos! ● 00:00 Intro ● 00:12 GPUZ Info ● 00:16 The Last of Us ● 01:32 Spider Man Remastered ● 02:27 Forza Horizon 5 ● 03:27 Far Cry 6 ● 04:26 Hitman 3 ● 05:16 Watch Dogs Legion ● 06:42 A Plague Tale Requiem ● 07:17 Spider Man Miles Morales ● 08:07 Uncharted LOTC ● 08:40 Assassin's Creed Valhalla ● 09:59 Warzone 2 ● 10:56 Resident Evil 4 Remake ● 11:41 Cyberpunk 2077
@EntrataAstrales
4 ай бұрын
Did you use *secondary* PCIE 3.0 slot at the motherboard? Secondary pcie slots are connected to CPU via chipset so additional perfromance penalty occurs.
@benji7275
4 ай бұрын
i just bought a pre built with a 4060 and i made sure components were good but they intentionally left out the motherboard on the spec sheet so it slipped passed me, now i have a pc coming tomorrow that only has a PCIe 3.0 motherboard.... should be illegal
@Executor_II
Жыл бұрын
as long as the game does not rest on the limits of video memory, there should not be such a huge difference, the bus affects the speed when it participates in data exchange with RAM. in other tests, this is clearly seen in the example of games where 8 GB is enough and TLoU where about 10 is needed. That's where the fpsprosdat is as much as 15 frames. By the way, the same situation was with the tests of the 6500 xt, which was also zapped out of the blue, setting the textures to max, and then it began to rest against the PCI bus and 4 lines... до тех пор, пока игра не упирается в пределы видеопамяти, такой огромной разницы быть не должно, шина влияет на скорость, когда участвует в обмене данными с оперативной памятью.в других тестах это хорошо видно на примере игр, где достаточно 8 ГБ, и TLoU, где около требуется 10. Вот где fpsprosdat составляет целых 15 кадров. Кстати, такая же ситуация была и с тестами 6500 xt, который также был захейтен на ровном месте, когда тестировщики устанавливали текстуры на максимум, и карта начинала упираться в 4 линии PCI ...
@BAHUK
11 ай бұрын
То есть можно спокойно покупать 4060 и ставить в мать с pci-e 3, просто выставляя настройки пониже?
@Executor_II
11 ай бұрын
@@BAHUK по моему мнению, да. Для успокоения нервов посмотри еще несколько тестов с других каналов. И кстати не все настройки, а которые увеличивают потребление видеопамяти, текстуры например
@BAHUK
11 ай бұрын
@@Executor_II понял, спасибо
@Executor_II
11 ай бұрын
@@BAHUK не за что
@MVK_3772
11 ай бұрын
Hi. I have a pci 3.0 system. I have a 1080p monitor. Will 4060 be enough for 1080p high settings for next 3 - 4 years new games? Should I go for 4060 or Rx 7600 ?? Thank you. Edit : people talk about Unreal engine 5 games will be demanding in future and 8gb cards will have trouble. Even for 1080p gaming?
@Post_Apocalypse_
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comparison :)
@reubenha1
7 ай бұрын
So useful, just what I am looking for, thanks!
@iceblade3414
8 ай бұрын
Hello, Games Choice. Even though PCIe 3.0 x8 (2.0 x16) may SEEM to have a good FPS, the effects of half bandwidth can be felt even in mobile games.Especially in asset & texture streaming, as well as the lows. I have a 6650 XT on PCIe 3.0 and in Honkai Star Rail as well as Genshin Impact, I noticed data popping in to load in cutscenes and blurry textures from afar. Ancient Gameplays did a test and he found that Spider-Man Remastered had issues on PCIe 1 & 2, taking quite a bit of time to render everything. TLDR: PCIe 4.0 IS needed with x8 cards, and 3.0 x16 is okay as well. Even these would benefit with 4.0 x16 for better framepacing.
@vagp8055
8 ай бұрын
This happens on AMD cards.
@xzm996
6 ай бұрын
@@vagp8055 nvidia cards are worse
@iceblade3414
6 ай бұрын
@@xzm996 The thing is, I went to a Legion 7 AMD Advantage with 6700M 135w (full power, not the gimped MSI Delta model) laptop with PCIe 4.0 x8 ~ (PCIe 3.0 x16) and the assets and textures loaded in at full resolution, and cutscenes no longer have a delay before loading in. Mind you the desktop has a 5700X while the laptop is using a 6800H, but the GPUs are very comparable in performance -- 9,864 on 6650 XT, 10,508 on 6700M. Maybe it's the moderately higher *effective* memory bandwidth on the 6700M (320.0GB/s vs 280.1GB/s and 2.5x the Infinity Cache), but even that shouldn't cause the previously mentioned low quality textures and botched asset & LoD streaming. Guess it's the process of taking twice as long to load per asset on 3.0 x8, and the extra latency of 3.0 x8 vs x16 or 4.0 x8 and above starts to show, especially in games that need a lot of streaming. Although, simpler and less computationally complex titles don't seem to really care about half bandwidth, such as Fall Guys, 2D games, pre-Pascal era titles, etc.
@Caga-x_Oren_Ishii_x
6 ай бұрын
Why did more FPS differences occur in your test while there were differences Decoupling between 1 and 4 FPS in the other test video according to the game?
@ivanpetrov7441
Жыл бұрын
Hello! Did you do comparison RX6600 PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0?
@velk6081
Жыл бұрын
He did, 2 fps difference
@GamesChoices
Жыл бұрын
No what was on the rx 6600 xt. I will make it on 6600 as well
@Susther
9 ай бұрын
Muy interesante este video, por fin alguien lo hace! Tenía dudas de cuánto afectaría eso sí no cambio el procesador, y veo que no es mucho, y podría esperar una oferta buena por el que me interesa y no precipitarme. Gracias
@GamesChoices
9 ай бұрын
Yes there is not an big difference in performance
@vladb7738
Жыл бұрын
Could you do same review in 1440p, please?
@35663455
Жыл бұрын
Yes, 1080p is pointless
@captainfatbat9557
3 ай бұрын
This contradicts the Hardware Unboxed analysis of pcie 3 vs pcie 4 on 3060Ti. Pretty sure something is off here.
@MatthiasLindemann-hp2zr
Жыл бұрын
If I'm honest I think the video is a fake, probably to boost sales of the RTX 4060. I have seen hundreds of comparison videos between PCIE 3 and 4, and none of them had even one FPS difference(The difference will also never exist). And in this video it's up to 20 or more fps difference.
@ruineves7859
Жыл бұрын
Some games will have a Higher difference , but 98% of the games will not have any difference , sometimes the games maybe are picked on porpuse to show what the uplouder wants to show
@BaRtJuHh083
Жыл бұрын
other cards have 16 lanes the 4060 only has 8 so it can be limited in bandwidth
@ruineves7859
Жыл бұрын
@@BaRtJuHh083 even with cards on x16 the results would be the same .
@BaRtJuHh083
Жыл бұрын
@@ruineves7859 i dont think so pcie 4 x8 are just as fast as pcie 3 x16 but considering the 4060 only has x8 it will have only half of pcie 3 x16 (it will do pcie 3 x8) in bandwidth and it wont be able to transfer the data fast enough
@ruineves7859
Жыл бұрын
@@BaRtJuHh083 but it is almost as fast . You can see other benchmarks on the internet , you will see that the difference in most games are so minimal that you can call it "margin of error ".
@oli77baba
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the evaluation. I do feel some impact, but I don't want to spend a lot of money upgrading my system. I have an ASUS Maximus Hero VII motherboard, and I just want to upgrade my graphics card to save money, perhaps to an RTX 4060.
@oli77baba
9 ай бұрын
With i7 4790 cpu
@Suprematista
8 ай бұрын
I have this setup with a Gigabyte Mobo and despite losing about 30% GPU performance due to bottleneck, it works flawlessly at 1080 - High/Ultra - 60+ fps.
@deadselect
Жыл бұрын
The 4060 has only 8 PCI-E lines. So the test is essentially equal to the 3.0 vs 2.0 test. 4060 имеет всего 8 линий PCI-E. Таким образом, тест по существу равен тесту 3.0 против 2.0.
@mac7771
8 ай бұрын
Сильно зависящие от видео памяти игры разброс сильный, тлоу так вообще оч большой разброс
@lokmanlimon
9 ай бұрын
I have a Pcie 4.0 supported motherboard but a ryzen 5600g cpu which is pcie 3.0 Will this gpu work as a pcie 4.0 in my pc?
@_alexei_1084
8 ай бұрын
3.0
@xzm996
6 ай бұрын
No
@sohandutta4644
2 ай бұрын
I have a r5 2600 with b450 mobo im currently thinking about a gpu upgrade and im confused between rtx 4060 and rtx 3060 12gb as both of them are nearly priced same. What should i choose?
@sayki300
Ай бұрын
IF anything the 4060 since is newer has dlss 3.0 and framegeneration
@FoxSky-md1ul
Ай бұрын
Better take RX 6700
@sayki300
Ай бұрын
@@FoxSky-md1ul you know he ask between those two
@FoxSky-md1ul
Ай бұрын
@@sayki300and I gave him a third option better one, while you basically didn't give a precise answer
@sayki300
Ай бұрын
@@FoxSky-md1ul He ask between those two. I told him 4060 since is more new,will have more support,has DLSS 3.0 and frame-generation. And some people depending of their country AMD could be even more costly or maybe they don't want a AMD GPU
@patrickleonardo9296
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comparison. Question, what are the two mainboards you used for the pcie 3.0 and pcie 4.0 systems. Also, same CPU? Thanks.
@Edmilsonfsjr
11 ай бұрын
It's possible to change the pci on the uefi to 4.0 to 3.0 and use the same setup.
@MVK_3772
11 ай бұрын
Hi. I have a pci 3.0 system. I have a 1080p monitor. Will 4060 be enough for 1080p 60fps (SP games) high settings for next 3 - 4 years new games? Should I go for 4060 or Rx 7600 ?? Thank you. People talk about Unreal engine 5 games will be demanding in future and 8gb cards will have trouble. Even for 1080p gaming?
@stephengerlach828
10 ай бұрын
If you are still on pcie 3.0, I would get a used 2080s or 2080ti off of ebay, since they are both 3.0. I would buy one for under $300 to get the best dollar to FPS ratio.
@mebiuschannel
10 ай бұрын
Use 4060 first time on pci 3.0, after change the motherboard and cpu
@vagp8055
8 ай бұрын
In the ''future'', cards with 12 GB will also have an issue. Now 80% of the cards are 8gb and it is not possible that none will not be played in the following years.
@shifu1batonas
7 ай бұрын
easily you will get 100 fps
@mr_wildschwein
6 ай бұрын
you can hardly tell if the card will be good enough for next 3 - 4 years. It should work out somehow, but if you really want to be future proof I would consider buying at least a 4060 Ti or 4070 series card
@mythicalcraft2783
9 ай бұрын
I can't get enough of this intro it's so awesome
@GamesChoices
9 ай бұрын
Thanks ❤️
@PabloVazquezVisualArts
8 ай бұрын
Hi! Great video, thanks! I'm currently using GTX 1060 on PCIe 3.0 x16 slot. Could I use a GeForce RTX 4060 8GB PCIe 4.0 x8 on my PCIe 3.0 x16 slot? Also: not sure if a Graphic Card "PCIe 4.0 x8" can be inserted in "PCIe 3.0 x16" slot Thank you very much!
@Chris-bt7zn
8 ай бұрын
Yes, you can; it's retrocompatible
@Theworthsearcher
7 ай бұрын
Yes but it will only use 8 lanes. So a 16 laes card is better for you. ;) What CPU do you have?
@rjumbas
4 ай бұрын
In this test does not show the objective side of pci-e 3.0 and 4.0, only in "The last of us" was full of video memory and had to use RAM where was revealed pci-e 4.0
@InfinityNo0b
6 ай бұрын
I don't know why but there's a huge difference in certain games performance between yours and RandomGaminginHD's video shows, for example- TLOUP1 (his was 66 & 70 while your is 55 & 73). Maybe this difference is due to the CPU difference as RandomGaminginHD used 12400f while you used 5800x3d.
@flushfire
3 ай бұрын
I'd doubt the video itself than look for any other cause. Other more established reviewers have done this comparison and they have results similar to each other while this vid is an outlier.
@andrewmcallister7781
2 ай бұрын
So in summary, some games it makes no difference, on games that push the GPU it can make a 20% difference in FPS, so depends on the games you are playing and if they saturate the PCIe Gen3 x8 lanes or not to create a bottleneck
@3535min2
4 ай бұрын
Oh shittt I already bought(order) the 4060 yesterday in Korean. ...in 3.0
@etziostondl0quender035
9 ай бұрын
AND WITH A 5600G AS SOON AS SOMEONE WOULD GO WITH THE 4060 AND THE 5600G???
@mr.godlust7489
10 ай бұрын
can rtx4060 PCie 4.0 x8 use to board have PCie 4.0 x16 ?
@minimasilla5902
9 ай бұрын
yes
@unrealone1
7 ай бұрын
Amazing!
@Inokentych
2 ай бұрын
It so stupid that "budget" video card like 4060 require more modern and costly motherboard with PCIe 4 gen to not bottle neck...
@GuilhermeOliveira-lt1od
3 ай бұрын
thanks you for the comparasion
@Rimuru_0808
9 ай бұрын
Interesting.. So I don't have to replace my b450 mobo just yet
@timirlan1504
7 ай бұрын
Почему такая большая разница G.PWR ?
@Avlisz
5 ай бұрын
What is the name of the intro music?
@uzhny2008
7 ай бұрын
пока не готов отдать 100 - 250$ pf 3 - 12 кадров
@simonb.8868
8 ай бұрын
Why the hell did they cut 8 lanes? To make you buy a new CPU? This means the card clearly needs PCI 3 x16 bandwidth so it should have been 4 x16 not 4 x8. Bad choice
@benji7275
4 ай бұрын
wait so a better CPU helps alleviate this issue?
@EntrataAstrales
4 ай бұрын
@@benji7275 newer CPU (not better). and newer mobo. if they both support pcie4.0 you're fine. But if you already have an expensive and powerful rig but without PCIE 4.0 you're in trouble.
@EntrataAstrales
4 ай бұрын
Yes GPU manufacturers fool customers with those 8 lanes at budget cards. nothing prevented them from using pcie 4.0 x16 which then really could give negligible performance loss on legacy pcie 3.0 PC. But they force us to throw away our powerful yet long-lasting cpus and mobos or to buy their flagship cards with x16 pcie. damn. nvidia & amd that's unfair :(
@rogeevol
7 ай бұрын
Было бы хорошо добавить таблицу в конце со средними значениями по всем играм!
@MRGrenick
6 ай бұрын
Я для себя увидел, что разницы нет пока нет упора в 8 Гб видеопамяти. В нескольких играх он был и там просадка приличная. Но это всего несколько игр. И надо оно будет через год или нет не ясно.
@Comprehensive_YouTube
Жыл бұрын
good!
@acidhburn
7 ай бұрын
4060 has only 8 PCI-E lines :)
@GamesChoices
7 ай бұрын
Yep
@RadaevVlad
5 ай бұрын
Процессор этот не поддерживает PCI 4.0 поэтому и частота памяти ГПУ 8500
@lhongta841
8 ай бұрын
PCIe 3.0 X8 VS PCIe 4.0 X8
@alexav1216
3 ай бұрын
неоднозначно, видимо кривизна игр играет не последнюю роль, в фаркрае и хитмане 5-10%, в других 30%, киберпанк 1 фпс разницы, RE тоже 1фпс.
@djolezivanovic5562
7 ай бұрын
Can a 4060 run on a PCIe 3.0?
@luminozo1610
7 ай бұрын
Yes
@alexeydudin3849
7 ай бұрын
Достаточно отключить rebar в БИОС и вуаля разница на лицо
@GamesChoices
7 ай бұрын
Rebar is enabled in this test
@kevlol2146
Жыл бұрын
1440p?
@kaptennemo1043
Жыл бұрын
Super 👍🏼
@carpi5683
8 ай бұрын
Хмм. 4060ti на 5800х pci-4 ddr4-3600 /5600g pci-3. Ddr4-4000. разницы практически нет.
@arjunbishnoi154
5 ай бұрын
thanks, i am not buying new motherboard
@PCMasterKaliningrad
8 ай бұрын
good job))
@YM-bq5ks
8 ай бұрын
何でラストオブアスだけ異様な差が出ているのか謎
@pedrao84
9 ай бұрын
Rtx 4060 on pci 3.0 x16 its god?
@etziostondl0quender035
9 ай бұрын
Rtx 4060 goes x8 lanes not x16 brother
@aliouri6998
6 ай бұрын
Frametime count
@NDnguyen603
5 ай бұрын
verry helpful
@iikatinggangsengii2471
6 ай бұрын
extra fps why not, extra smoothness
@aceberganabolic
8 ай бұрын
wehat about pci ex 4 ve 5 ?
@drpotato830
9 ай бұрын
Cyberpunk is better in pcie3 than 4, What!?
@thuliopimentel5386
8 ай бұрын
hahahha i dont understand. he used the same cpu at the same mobo? and the two PCI-e?
@tatas6635
7 ай бұрын
@@thuliopimentel5386same mobo just the pci spped changed
@user-yk4tr7os7g
5 ай бұрын
so useful
@alexeydudin3849
Жыл бұрын
Rebar on vs rebar off😂😂😂
@GamesChoices
Жыл бұрын
Will do
@AstroAvenger
Жыл бұрын
Any particular reason for the massive difference in TLoU?
@GamesChoices
Жыл бұрын
I also notice that. I have tested this game 2-3 times on pcie 3 but i got the same result
@alekssanderbatista5417
Жыл бұрын
Bad optimization
@elegance7659
Жыл бұрын
It is the use of Vram in TloU.
11 ай бұрын
High VRAM usage is the situation where the interface speed matters the most and TLOU uses a lot of VRAM
@markwhite2722
8 ай бұрын
I have pcie exp 3.0 in a320m-h chipset, ryzen 3 1200 and card Radeon rx560 4gb. Am buy gygabyte 4060ti 8 gb. Gta5 good graphics now. Pubg first time game crashed. Am changed direct 12 beta, direct 11 and game working. Cs2 play 30 minutes and game crashed mb he to used direct 12. But this card cold temperature max in game 51°, 30watts this I see in push button Alt + R.
@SergoShein
5 ай бұрын
No difference. Only one game had trash optimization - TLOU.
@sku_101
9 ай бұрын
i have both 3060 12gb and 4060 8gb ... 3060 is much more better in starcraft2... i tried use on a amd 5700g its impossible to play on a 4060... an in my ryzen 7900 4060 still have some serius drops on frame.
@mired7546
5 ай бұрын
low fps on pci-e 3.0 better then with 4.0 lol wat
@Triple_Ki77
6 ай бұрын
Это фейк. Есть реальные доказательства многих студий, что разница практически отсутствует.
@MRGrenick
6 ай бұрын
Фейк чтобы что? В чем мотив? Надо от этого отталкиваться.
@MRGrenick
6 ай бұрын
Да и что ты такого увидел? Где нет упора в память разницы не было. Ты по ходу не понял, что увидел.
@Triple_Ki77
6 ай бұрын
Не дури людям мозги
@t.gchannel4067
9 ай бұрын
youtubers keep posting videos with amd platform setup but match with a nvidia card just... lol
@Nilarium549
9 ай бұрын
So what ?
@adityatoppo7809
7 ай бұрын
pcie 3 4060 performs worse than 3060 in pcie 3
@GamesChoices
7 ай бұрын
Yes it is worse at pcie 3
@Tevtonica
5 ай бұрын
Ой, а разговоров то было.
@mahmoudnasser1249
7 ай бұрын
The video is fake Because The Motherboard Of Ryzen 7 5800X 3D Supported only PCIE Express Gen 4
@GamesChoices
7 ай бұрын
I am using asus tuff b550 gaming plus mobo is has pcie 3 and pcie 4 slot go on the asus official website and see
@groundwar6069
5 ай бұрын
Бредятина, сам проверял, разница погрешность, 2-4 фпс, это не настоящий тест.😅😅😅
@nameless8139
5 ай бұрын
Раз проверял посоветуй, имеется мать 3.0 16 линий собираюсь брать на 8 линиях 4060 ti 16gb будет прям большая просадка в производительности? Проц 12400f
@tt-yw2ou
8 ай бұрын
вранье ? что-то подшаманили ?
@GamesChoices
8 ай бұрын
Nope. That is a real test 4060 has 8x lanes thats why not perform well at pcie 3
@tt-yw2ou
8 ай бұрын
@@GamesChoices в комментариях ниже люди тебе написали, что делали подобные тесты и у них ничего такого не наблюдается !
@InternetListener
Жыл бұрын
Interesting but unrealistic. Nobody should upgrade to a x3d or zen4 pcie 4.0 cpu if they got a 3.0 motherboard. Son any zen 1 2 3 or Zen 4( 5100, 5300, 5500, 5600g or 5700g) should be tested either 5700g (most performant 3.0 cpu) or 3060 12gb x16 vs 4060 8gb x8 to make any sense for the rwal upgrade option. Theoretical bottle neck on a pcie 4.0/5.0 cpu with a 3.0 speed setup on the bios it's not the situation important to upgrade... Why would anyone care to upgrade to a 5600 pcie4 six cores with a a320 mb? 3200 ddr4 is max speed also for most 3.0 am4 mb... I guess some kind of 3600 vs 5600G vs 5600 3600 cl16 or 3700x vs 5700/5700G vs 5700x/5800x/5800x3d... We can't forgot that a 3.0 vs 4.0 real upgrade scenario comes with cpu and ram setup also in the middle.
@EX0007
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the dumbest shit I ever read
@vladb7738
Жыл бұрын
I have old i7-8700K and PCIex3.0. Need to upgrade, because my 1060 is too old, but CPU is still OK. So, I plan to buy 4060/4060TI/4060TI 16GB and this review is very useful form me
@Marco-cl9pb
Жыл бұрын
If isn't useful for you it's fine, now stop saying lies
@InternetListener
Жыл бұрын
@@Marco-cl9pb 😭📢
@altydyyt
Жыл бұрын
@@vladb7738 me 8700nonK, i went for 3060ti
@lorddamianos1198
10 ай бұрын
thx!!!!!
@RyoSports
Жыл бұрын
fake
@triplocore
10 ай бұрын
cope, seethe and dilate
@Fatcho
5 ай бұрын
Média de 95 fps X 101 fps 6% de diferença
@michelrichert9052
8 ай бұрын
Fake .. some other testers did that test like a year ago .. between PCI 3.0/4.0/5.0 ... No framerate difference .. even with an RTX 4090.
@binskmst8247
2 ай бұрын
Your SSD is garbage
@daniel-maksilva4879
8 ай бұрын
I have an asrock fatality and I play with my gtx 1070 ti and i7 4785t and I have on my PC hitman 3 70fps, rdr2 45 fps, shadow of the tomb raider 100fps all 1080p and on ultra @oli77baba 😀
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