The one huge advantage of a rudder is that in really rough water you can steer and just put your head down and power right through it.
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
That is true, I say in the video (I think?) that I do occasionally use it when the boat is fully loaded. I can just focus on forward, and not worry about direction.
@bjornandersson9765
2 жыл бұрын
Good video! Maybe a little information for the rudder and "catching Wind": As the kayak has his turning point behind the cockpit, your height doesnt affect turnings as much. Its true that there are rudders that catch more wind - just because of their bigger size.
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
In my experience that effect is pretty minimal. But I am sure there are some boats with really big rudders where it is an issue.
@jchambers1191
3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel - I really like the the way you present things. So, how about having a rudder that only works as a skeg - no left/right, just working like a skeg on the rear? That seems like the best of both worlds. I've never had either on my plywood/fiberglass 17 ft kayak, but have been thinking that having a skeg would be beneficial; however, I have become accustomed to fixed foot rests. Seems like a win/win. Any thoughts?
@AdventureOtaku
3 жыл бұрын
You could totally do that, though with the gas pedal style rudder pedals, they feel like fixed foot pegs. I feel like I have heard of people doing something like you are considering…Go for it, and let me know how it works. Thanks for stopping by.
@donhammer186
2 жыл бұрын
My new boat (154 Tahe Fit) came with both, if I had to choose between the two I would go with the rudder. I can use my rudder to "trim" the hull for wind drift and save the space in the stern. The skeg would be more useful on a sub 12' whitewater hull on calm lakes or ponds (like my 12' Snake River ll). Just the way my mind works... Great insights, Thanks for the video.
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. The Tahe fit is a great boat, enjoy it. I agree with you 100% on the rudder/skeg stuff. Thanks again.
@tangara7166
3 ай бұрын
Same. My whitewater boat is a Dagger Katana.
@MilestoneOutdoors
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Brett. Got to admit your videos are planting the idea that I need to try out sea kayaking and not just my white water spot. Keep up the great work. I learnt a lot from this vid. Niall 😁
@AdventureOtaku
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brother!
@danielspoon1234
Жыл бұрын
its good fun i enjoy my surfski on the ocean, can surf the waves
@AdventureOtaku
Жыл бұрын
It is indeed
@deaninchina01
Ай бұрын
@@danielspoon1234 You can do the same thing in a sea kayak. Here in Australia big distances are the order of the day and a sea kayak that covers distance is handy, most of our boats take a lot of surf ski elements into the design. kzitem.info/news/bejne/1Id5sHaif6x7YHo
@dyvel
3 жыл бұрын
I find it easier on my shoulders to use a rudder to help me turn. So the question is - if the rudder isn't designed to turn the boat - does it take damage from the excessive wear that follows if you use it to turn the boat?
@AdventureOtaku
3 жыл бұрын
No it absolutely wont damage it, as evidenced by most people use their rudder for turning - and in tandem kayaks they are intended to help you turn, because tandems are so long. And, sometimes on long trips when he boat is extremely heavy (loaded with gear) I will use it to turn, so i can focus all my energy on moving the boat forward. However, I would make sure there isn’t an issue with your stroke, that is bothering your shoulders.
@dyvel
3 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureOtaku Thanks, good to know! I'm sure there are things that can be adjusted with my stroke, but I'm already aware that I have some stability/mobility issues with my scapulas so I need to keep the load down if I'm to paddle in this condition. Do you have any general advice on strength and mobility training for paddling? My physiotherapist will need to take care of the specific issues, so I won't hold you responsible for anything that might make it worse 😉
@AdventureOtaku
3 жыл бұрын
In general I emphasize limiting unnecessary movement (a lot of people add unneeded movement to their wrists, elbows... not as much shoulders, but its possible!), and proper form. If you are doing this right, there should be very little stress on any of your joints. I also offer free stroke analysis if you are interested email me brettATadventureotaku.com
@just-dl
2 ай бұрын
I'd say a fair amount of the bias (pro and con) is based on experience. personally, I have no interest in a rudder. I've never had one; never had an interest in one. Skegs, I've had and enjoy using. If I'd met a rudder earlier in my kayaking career, perhaps I'd favor it. Hard to say. My ruddering friends seem to appreciate them, though they do seem to consider steering to be their one-and-only purpose. This video surprised me in that regard. My Boreal has a ton of storage, and the skeg really doesn't interfere with stowage, though, If I had fewer/larger bags, I could see that issue. I likewise suggest trying a variety of 'yaks to see what tickles your fancy. I tend to prefer shorter length (14-15'), a bit wider (22" -ish) and I don't mind the heavier materials. Mine is 55# and I can haul it around reasonably well. I don't do much in the way of portage-crossings so, that's to be taken with a pillar, er grain of salt. I'm getting interested in Deltas for the hard-covers on the hatches. I like that. Anyway...good video! All the best.
@AdventureOtaku
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@DinoAlberini
28 күн бұрын
3:15 I had exactly the same reaction
@AdventureOtaku
28 күн бұрын
Yup. Conditions were perfect that for him to have an “a-ha” moment.
@tommycheshire5508
3 жыл бұрын
How about a video about repairing and adjusting the Sked?
@AdventureOtaku
3 жыл бұрын
I’m actually working on a video about repairs, but that isn’t included for the simple reason the skeg isn’t broken! I have enough things to fix!
@wendake215
2 жыл бұрын
Really love your videos! I've seen that you have both the 16' and 17' Delta kayak. I'm really interested by this brand (I'm from Canada) and still struggling if I should go for a 16' or 17' for my next kayak purchase. Is there a big difference in speed/tracking between them? I'm actually more into day trip / weekend trip kayaking + looking for a fun kayak to play in rougher conditions (St-Lawrence river). I've also read mixed reviews about thermoformed ABS (crack easily, not easy to repair, etc.). Since you're an experienced kayaker and seems to have been using Delta kayaks for quite a while what is your take on that? Thanks for your time!
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, thanks for stopping by. I actually sold the 16 last year, and also sold my 2009 seventeen sport for 2021 seventeen. So yes, I have A lot of experience with the brand. I have also spent (and repaired - extensively!) a lot of time with the 15.5. Performance wise I think the 16 and 17 are pretty close. The 16 turns a little easier. Both perform well in rough conditions. I have seen some severely damaged Deltas, BUT they were all damaged in shipping. I had one little crack in my 2009 seventeen, which is why I sold it. I think the plastic was just getting old and brittle. I have dropped my delta, Ive hit rocks with my delta… Thermoformed is more delicate than rotomolded plastic boats, but less delicate than fiberglass (You could debate this, there are some UK fiberglass/composite boats that are built like tanks, but they also weigh a ton). Repairing them is actually quite easy, you use plastic weld (which is like a two stage epoxy) which melts the plastic briefly, so when the reaction stops it is one piece. This is how the deck and the hulls are joined together. Arguably that joint (which was two pieces and is now one) is the strongest part of the boat. The down side of repairs (unlike fiberglass) you can’t make thermoformed plastic boats look factory fresh, like you can with fiberglass. You will always see the scars but they will be plenty strong. If I were only doing day trips I would lean towards the 16. The thing with the seventeen is it’s a load monster. I bought it specifically to do 30 day trips. If you have more questions feel free to email me - brettATadventureotaku.com - happy to chat.
@wendake215
2 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureOtaku Wow thanks for the fast & complete answer I sincerely appreciate it. I think I'll go for the 16 in that case and won't bother too much about the ABS. I already take extra care of my tomolded so I'll be even more carefull with the Delta ;) Really love your content!
@derekhanson9915
2 жыл бұрын
Great review on Skegg and rudder differences but from 6:00 min to 6:45 your final description of why your chose a rudder for long trips is not clear. Your great review comparison slipped a notch. But, I got it with a rerun of the that vid segment a few times. Overall, very helpful. Thank you.
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry if I was unclear. I think Both are great. I went with the rudder because I needed the space for gear. The skeg makes that rear compartment smaller.
@leeanderson5955
7 ай бұрын
I took a kayak course for novices some years ago and the instructor had 6 kayaks on shore all with sleds and embarrassingly every one was ha jammed with sand
@AdventureOtaku
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don’t have a problem with skegs but getting things jammed into the box is a problem.
@thierrybayle4338
5 ай бұрын
bonjour, j'ai un lettman biskaya il est monté avec un gouvernail/ dérive, la dérive me serre aussi dans la mer formée, afin de tenir l'equilibre (largeur 53cm) pour ce qui concerne le gouvernail moins évident. il n'ai employable que totalement déployé et freine beaucoup la progression, bonne journée
@AdventureOtaku
5 ай бұрын
It isn’t my experience that rudders are slower than skegs but it maybe the design of the specific boat.
@oldyellerschannel4676
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! You helped me make up my mind! Rudder it is!!
@AdventureOtaku
Жыл бұрын
Glad I could be helpful! Have a great day!
@davboston
3 ай бұрын
Ok I know you’re not a kayak fisherman but you seem to know kayaks very well. I bought a fishing kayak. My problem is even in light wind conditions my kayak spins so I can never fish the direction I intend to. My other issue is ,even with light wind, it won’t stay in once place so I can never fish the spot I intend to. Is there anything I can do to improve both these issues? Will a rudder or skeg help my problem? I see guys out there who aren’t anchored and they can hover around a spot a lot longer than I can in my kayak. With in minutes I’m 25-50 ft from where I started.
@AdventureOtaku
3 ай бұрын
A rudder or skeg will only make a difference while you are moving. A lot to kayak fishermen use some sort of drive to hold position, either pedal or a small trolling motor. An anchor is the obvious choice. Shorter kayaks turn more than long kayaks, but any kayak that isn’t being propelled will turn to be flat to the wind. Tell me about your kayak. What is it?
@davboston
3 ай бұрын
@@AdventureOtakuthanks for the response and the info. It’s an inexpensive kayak but gets me out in the water fishing. It’s a lifetime Teton angler kayak sit on top 10ft long 250lb weight limit.
@aspringer9876
3 ай бұрын
Most people get a light anchor to get the fishing kayak to stay in one place
@quijybojanklebits8750
2 жыл бұрын
Rudders kick ass, I use mine for tracking and the main reason I like it is I don't have to account for waves and wind as much. I learned to paddle fpr 3 years and using the rudder helps a ton in open water.
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
I tend to use mine in select situation, mainly relying on controlling the boat with the paddle, for reasons like this. So when the rudder fails to work, I have the skills to make things happen. But there are definite days and situations where I love having a rudder.
@quijybojanklebits8750
2 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureOtaku the best time to have it is when you're in a cross wind, also doesn't hurt when you have a sail, I have a homemade sail (5'x3')
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I like to sail, and I like to kayak, but I don’t like to kayak sail… I also like the rudder when the boat is fully loaded and really heavy, and I can just focus on forward.
@quijybojanklebits8750
2 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureOtaku didn't even think of that I usually go light unless I'm going multiple days and yea I don't use it when I'm loaded.
@AdventureOtaku
Жыл бұрын
Try it, your might like it.
@mikehunt5637
Жыл бұрын
Is there any benefit to having a rudder skeg combination like they have on the Point 65 Mercury GTX? Yes, I know I am in a kayak in my profile picture, but I'm still just a noob.
@AdventureOtaku
Жыл бұрын
So I will confess that while I am familiar with point 65 I had to go look that boat up. I don’t think what they are describing is really a rudder skeg combination, I think it is a rudder that deploys like a skeg, from inside the back of the boat, versus from the top of the back of the boat. I haven’t paddled it but it probably would work fine… But I think what is probably going on is that is the only way to make a retractable rudder work in a multi piece boat. But that is a bit of a guess/supposition based on what I am seeing. But in general I would say pick one. A rudder or a skeg.
@paolomascherini2927
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video 👍
@AdventureOtaku
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paolo, thanks for stopping by!
@guesshi1826
2 жыл бұрын
Very useful!
@AdventureOtaku
2 жыл бұрын
glad you found it useful. Thanks for stopping by.
@onemondaynight
Жыл бұрын
Here's a problem I'm having, and I'm not sure if it's me, the boat, or just a reality I have to deal with: I am paddling a Dagger Stratos 14.5L. It has a fair amount of rocker. If I do not put the skeg down, it simply won't go straight. Any wind or current, even the most gentle, will turn the boat this way and that. Paddling straight, I always have to fight against its desire to turn, and I end up dropping the skeg. If I paddle out into a lake and sit still with the skeg up and just hold my paddle, the boat will begin to turn, almost pivot, with the current. My other boat is a cheap 12' Pelican with very little rocker. I never had a problem with that boat going straight. Is this just how it is with my boat design? Is it normal? Or is it likely that I'm doing something wrong? Thanks in advance!
@AdventureOtaku
Жыл бұрын
Well, if your 12 foot is tracking well, and the 14 foot isn’t my gut says it is boat design and not something you are doing. I feel like I paddled that boat at some point and don’t remember it being extreme in terms of rocker or lack of ability to track, but my memory could be misleading me. A couple of things to consider. 1) yes, your stroke could be causing the boat to turn and the rocker of the stratos vs the pelican may be more susceptible to the inadvertent forces you are apply, so there may be some stroke work that needs correcting, but without seeing it, I can’t say. Feel free to email me a stroke video. 2) Any boat when not being propelled will turn sideways to the current/wind. That is perfectly normal. 3) I am curious if you + gear isn’t enough weight for the stratos? If you don’t have enough weight in the boat it will ride higher and less of keel will be submerged. If more of the keel is above the water line it will essentially mean less length at the water line, and worse tracking. Try adding weight to the bow and stern compartments - Water is the easiest. In jugs or bags. An equal amount to front and back. If you add two gallons of water to bow and stern that is 16 pounds. See if that makes a difference. Feel free to email me your responses. BrettATadventureotaku.com
@onemondaynight
Жыл бұрын
@@AdventureOtakuthanks for the detailed reply! That's very generous of you. I'll let you know how things go.
@ThomWalker-hm2zt
3 ай бұрын
I have long narrow boat (CD Prana Aramid) with skeg only....mid length (Stellar S14 G2 Muiltisport) with both rudder and skeg....I say to all of you who want to be a "real" paddler, if u only do long open water reaches, use skeg; if u do twisty streams, narrow rivers, springs, etc, use a rudder. Now and most importantly, if u want to become an accomplished and proud paddler, use none of the above....the only real steering mechanism u need is ur ass, hips and legs! Like the man says, both rudder and skeg are "tools" to deploy when overly overt forces of water and wind are making your paddling efforts uncomfortable. Try this: in a creek or river when in the "twisties" edge and carve the boat around each turn using only ur body tight as can be pressed into the boat's "body", then go back and retrace using the rudder as ur only means of turning....now, u tell me, which way was more fun and rewarding as a paddler?
@AdventureOtaku
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, there are days I prefer a skeg, and days I prefer a rudder. Usually it comes down to how much gear is in the boat and how much wind there is.
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