27:33 Phil saying “We can just kill our opponent with seven collector ouphe attacks” with a straight face has killed me I fear
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
Ahahahahaha
@vitaly2422
16 күн бұрын
He won by demonic tutoring for a grizzly bear, sometimes legacy is awesome
@christopherlundgren1700
16 күн бұрын
@@vitaly2422 Legacy IS awesome, but I think Vintage is the more platonic ideal of this phenomenon. "Do I win?" "No. What if this; do I win?" "No." "Ok, I attack with my 1/1."
@herrschnee716
16 күн бұрын
@@christopherlundgren1700 Can confirm, I've seen games decided by a single Orchard token because Oaths got handled. Lotus getting elked and going for blood. Needled Atogs stabbing for 1.
@lightworker2956
15 күн бұрын
@@herrschnee716 OG Mox Monkey getting in for one every turn.
@G.Aaron.Fisher
19 күн бұрын
I'm never going to get tired of decks that can put opponents down to zero permanents.
@pokeyclawz8727
16 күн бұрын
I remember one commander game i played an opponent got me to no permanents in play and no cards in hand. I was genuinely impressed
@hungjury7482
16 күн бұрын
I view the total victory as a unique beauty of Legacy
@dekina1198
16 күн бұрын
@@G.Aaron.Fisher tine for jokulhaups next!
@tonydeveyra4611
16 күн бұрын
Seeing the success of this deck really makes me wonder how much better traditional lands could be if it ran multiple tabernacles
@MackNJacishopper
16 күн бұрын
Plus having multiple tabernacles is a nice gatekeeper from other players running the deck!
@tonydeveyra4611
16 күн бұрын
@MackNJacishopper eh, I think paper magic should just go to all proxies anyways. Seeing how vibrant online magic can be when not limited by the collectible aspect of the game has really convinced me of that.
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
The MTGO results of Lands (where Tabernacles are pennies) don't tend to be very impressive. While I think we would see more Lands in paper if not for price, I don't think RESULTS specifically are hindered by not playing enough copies of Tabernacle.
@cammcgra
16 күн бұрын
Of course it could be very cost prohibitive. But if I played this Living Wish Lands deck in paper, I might try 1 Tabernacle main deck, and 1 for the wish board. Padding those slots with other utility lands. Traditional Lands plays 4x Crop Rotation so I have never felt the need to play more than 1 main deck. But it'd an interesting thought!
@tking5218
7 күн бұрын
@@ThrabenUniversity I have a lands deck in paper and do pretty well with it. Your lands video definitely has me considering purchasing another Tabernacle for Legacy events. At least for the board against the going wide fair decks.
@ecchele8717
16 күн бұрын
did the audio editing change? something about the rhythm of editing cuts made it feel like there was no room to breathe, at 14:05 for example
@italostanley2608
18 күн бұрын
I think some of the cuts are a little too close together, and the slow pacing of your videos is something that keeps me watching. It was a bit weird.
@Quinaroon
16 күн бұрын
Hard agree. If it’s something that has to happen for the good of the channel (smtn smtn attention spans), so be it, but I also really enjoyed the pauses that help digest what you’re saying and what’s happening
@Kellykellamster
16 күн бұрын
same, it threw me off instantly and I had to compare with previous videos to make sure I wasn't going insane
@MackNJacishopper
16 күн бұрын
I think its interesting, I could get used to it. I do like the slower pace, but need to give faster pace a listen to as well
@italostanley2608
16 күн бұрын
I usually watch videos close to bedtime, and I ended up getting a few scares and couldn’t keep up properly. I’ll try to watch it again when I have more time.
@1ogic948
16 күн бұрын
Yeah, showing pauses to think, or actually just giving me time to think, is something really engaging that I only noticed when they were all suddenly cut out.
@Zauzzie
16 күн бұрын
For a second I was like "Hell yeah this deck is reasonably budget in paper" then I looked up the price on Tabby.... ooof
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
Yeah, uh, it's rough.
@baguetten8004
14 күн бұрын
Guessing you never got so far as to check the price of drop of honey
@DeckEdge
13 күн бұрын
Drop did not do that much work.
@mtg_hotdog
16 күн бұрын
Love the channel, Phil. Editing felt like it shifted. Video felt very very frantic.
@ThrabenUniversity
15 күн бұрын
Working on adjusting. Changes will be in place next week!
@VivBrodock
19 күн бұрын
this deck is sick and twisted. I love it.
@laurelkeeper
19 күн бұрын
It’s my favorite list in recent memory.
@aqswd6825
11 күн бұрын
it does fight on a super unique axis.
@RandomCommenter955
15 күн бұрын
That play at 53:19 was so insanely sick holy shit. i did not see that line but it was fucking brilliant and so cool and effective holy shit.
@raznaak
15 күн бұрын
The opponent casting Echo of Eons to get rid of Collector Ouphe, just for you to draw it was pure entertainment XD I had literally the same laugh as you did at the same time.
@G.Aaron.Fisher
18 күн бұрын
I can never tell with Thorn of Amethyst in these creature-light lists whether the theory is we'll never want sphere effects against decks that include creatures, or if the theory is that we forgot to consider Sphere of Resistance while deckbuilding.
@ThrabenUniversity
18 күн бұрын
I like sphere better as a game 1 card if I'm an Ancient Tomb deck. If I'm going to Living Wish for a creature as a win condition (and those creatures are expensive), I think I like Thorn better.
@dekina1198
16 күн бұрын
i am supprised to not see a single copy of Yavimaya, Crade of Growth in the list to turn all those utility lands into actual green mana. appart from this, the list looks pretty solide, even tho i would do some small changes
@Bthepig
15 күн бұрын
It let's people leave fetch lands un-cracked, playing around wasteland/GQ/FoR.
@dekina1198
15 күн бұрын
@@Bthepig yeah i see that. tho it only would be green mana which could not be useful for them
@assault410
16 күн бұрын
i was looking at valley of gorgoroth and was like holy shit why isnt this seeing more play and then i looked it up and was like "oh....it IS wasteland" lmao
@AlternativelyBananas
16 күн бұрын
The absolute best play in the video 53:15
@ThrowbackEmperor
16 күн бұрын
look forward to keep working on this deck with you phil
@shapooopiefour7173
16 күн бұрын
This deck is a work of art. It just… works.
@Baconator1313
16 күн бұрын
This deck is sweet. I loved it last time. Still great this time. Would love to see it again.
@TheShadywater
16 күн бұрын
Hey Phil 44:14 it doesn't hurt to put Drop of Honey on the stack, of it resolves and the opponent doesn't have a counter spell or an upkeep bow masters, then the Drop of Honey kills the Harbinger of the seas unlocking Maze of Ith, unless they happen to have a second Harbinger in hand. I know that's a lot of loops to jump through, but there was a line.
@seedlesstom
15 күн бұрын
Came here for this.
@MrSocrates_
16 күн бұрын
I was wondering why this time the video was more edited than usual, then I looked at the video duration haha
@maxmustermann1111
15 күн бұрын
Mate... this is handsdown the most entertaining deck ever. Was the last time. Is this time. Will be the next time. Its just awesome. Even if you go 0-5 i would love it. But you wont. Magic gods are with you on this one
@dimitarkumanov2161
15 күн бұрын
Really enjoying the revisiting of a deck! I think tunning a decklist and grinding it out is great to learn from.
@Siffy5654
14 күн бұрын
Dampening sphere might be interesting in this deck. It is a harder stax piece than thorn against stormy decks while hindering you less and it also bricks ancient tomb and cralde which are some of the easiest ways your opponents can get out of the mana choke
@OmneAurumNon
15 күн бұрын
This deck is awesome :) I hope you keep iterating on it
@RavenDravenek
16 күн бұрын
1:16:56 Heart of the cards
@Stellar_Lake_sys
19 күн бұрын
redrawing ouphe off echo, the game has decided your opponent's fate for you
@dave-kt7sj
16 күн бұрын
It didn't even move.
@mahbluebird
16 күн бұрын
Is Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth not included for any reason? It turns Tabernacle and Mazes into lands that make mana, as well as the same for GQ lands if you're ever short on green. It's also a t1 green source for exploration or burgeoning
@DeckEdge
13 күн бұрын
I really enjoy watching this deck
@toolcheat
16 күн бұрын
Loved this deck, happy to see it again.
@williamchevett55
15 күн бұрын
So I’ve been branching off this list, combining it a bit with the old 8 mulch style and seems to be working much better. There’s more selection with 6 mulches in the deck, still a 36 land/24 spell split. It doesn’t go as heavy into a focus of land destruction/tabernacle all in plan and winds up more well balanced overall. Has the full living wish package with some more targets that didn’t get noticed here, Phyrexian Revoker/Questing Beast to deal with plainswalkers, Kraul Harpooner/Voracious Hydra as your fight creatures, and leans more heavily into making use of Sunken Citadel, and going into Blast Zone rather than maxing Tabernacles. Also Haywire mite to deal with things like the One Ring.
@vitaly2422
16 күн бұрын
I can *feel* the tighter editing pace (due to length concerns, I think?)
@continuechaos
16 күн бұрын
Love the deck. One change i'd make to the mana base is cutting a couple tranquil thickets (or another land you feel is worse) for two more untapped green sources for your turn one plays. You lose some consistency in the mid-late game alongside life from the loam, but make turn one burgeoning/exploration 5% more consistent per Frank Karsten's numbers.
@EggyLv999
16 күн бұрын
Feels like there should be some copies of yavimaya to help with the green count
@neufmarche8489
16 күн бұрын
So glad to see that deck again! Such a fun design space, hope the league will go well. Just a thought at the deck tech, I would probably had put one of the Ghost Quarter in the SB to have "7" copies in the MD. EDIT: At the end of round 3 game 2, I wonder how correct it was to Karakas the Birgi... Obviously with hindsight it lost you the game but I wonder how often 1 ruby medallion+birgi live and 2 mana floating with 2 cards loses the game versus 1 ruby medallion, 2 mana floating and 4 cards.
@ChanceDeath
12 күн бұрын
I think this deck is better with the Jagatha in the sideboard. I been playing the other version of this deck on MTGO and having a 5/5 ready to put in hand at any time once i locked out the game is very useful. Still love your videos. Edit: I do think you are correct about the 2nd Boseiju in the main
@davecharette588
19 күн бұрын
thanks for all the content !!!
@GlichCentral
16 күн бұрын
I feel like Jegantha would have been good in at least one of those games? Especially that super long one vs storm, we could have had a 5/5 in play and kinda just didn’t.
@benlittle5543
13 күн бұрын
Buying Tabernacle jokes never get old
@dawsonscreep4566
16 күн бұрын
49:15 me too phil, me too
@lightworker2956
15 күн бұрын
Love this deck. Thanks.
@Andre-fm1zy
16 күн бұрын
already have 1 tabby and 4 drops in paper. guess I will need the remaining 3😂😂😂
@10rodri
16 күн бұрын
The match2, game 1 gave me happy feelings
@chasingresonance8124
16 күн бұрын
I recently found out about Pit of Offerings as an anti-graveyard tech land that doesn't require adding black to the deck via Bojuka Bog. Not going to claim it's better than bog, but being able to crop rot into it, hit 2 cards from an opponent and one from yourself (like the crop rot) to make it tap for a colour you actually use seems pretty handy, especially for those who care about colour identity like the commander players. It definitely suffers from being a tapped colourless land in the first turn or two of the game.
@grahamoliver1470
15 күн бұрын
Who else thinks we need to see a feature match of Phil playing this in paper?
@thedarkwolfism
16 күн бұрын
Loved this deck the first time, glad it's getting a reprisal! Echoing what a couple others said though, the change in pacing of cuts really threw me off and made things feel really rushed. But looking at the video runtime even with the rapidfire cuts, I imagine it was done as a means to keep the video from being TOO too long.
@Magnivore519
15 күн бұрын
The decrease of dead space was initially surprising, but I suppose it's necessary given the length of the video.
@ThrabenUniversity
15 күн бұрын
Working on adjusting. Changes will be in place next week!
@brosbala4314
16 күн бұрын
I love this deck with my heart
@apophis456
16 күн бұрын
That ghost quarter trick in round 3 was dirty
@nooneatall5612
16 күн бұрын
this truly is the GOAT deck
@BlauerDegen
16 күн бұрын
That last game was brilliant
@DriffPL
15 күн бұрын
I feel like you might want to include Thief of Existence in your sideboard for this deck to have a much easier time dealing with Planeswalkers (and also some other stuff).
@misty6348
16 күн бұрын
I'm not saying adding another color would make the deck better, but of the two color options what do you think would work best in this shell?
@robinsvensen1324
15 күн бұрын
Some of those forests should be fetches. Good with loam
@BagAccount
16 күн бұрын
Could it be worth running a single yavimaya, cradle of growth in the 75? could sort out some of the pain points where you're choked on green mana by letting you tap lands such as tabernacle, though the drawback of potentially fixing your opponents mana is there. even allowing them to tap an ancient tomb that would otherwise be turned off.
@Luciferian.Latino
16 күн бұрын
Is it just me or is the dead air more aggressively removed in this vid? I kinda like it
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
Yeah, the program I'm using got an update. Glad to hear it is going well!
@ross4881
16 күн бұрын
I'm bout to buy 20 Tabernacle
@chaddlol1
15 күн бұрын
I know were all sad the frog didnt make it on the banlist, but it certainly feels good to be able to not have to worry about grief stealing 3 cards from you before you even get to fight back. Legacy is gonna come back from this
@nicklittle8399
16 күн бұрын
13:20 Just curious here; would it not have been better to crack the Ghost Quarter on our turn?
@GodzillaFreak
16 күн бұрын
Drop of honey doesn't feel like it's doing all that well, but I'm not sure if there's anything better to run in green.
@mahbluebird
16 күн бұрын
Put white back in for porphyry nodes
@alexanderneimeth4538
16 күн бұрын
I’ve got to say, I really enjoyed this episode. Great content and the commentary felt really on point today. If I may ask as well, what is it you keep calling the gates of madara (something like madara chi ha?) is it a reference I potentially missed?
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
Madara Uchiha is a character from the anime Naruto.
@crovax1375
16 күн бұрын
I'd love to see if a Storm Cauldron lands deck would work. Cauldron works great with Confounding Conundrum and Burgeoning. It also feels great to play Boseiju from the yard and channel it over and over!
@Kerostasis
16 күн бұрын
Storm Cauldron is a really bad combo with Wasteland / Field of Ruin / etc though, as you can never target an untapped land.
@crovax1375
16 күн бұрын
@@Kerostasis That's true, but the goal of the lock is to prevent opponents from having a meaningful number of lands in play. I use the set up as a soft lock in a Archelos EDH stax deck. Land Equilibrium is another one that really helps the Storm Cauldron lock
@jwong9044
16 күн бұрын
Not gonna lie. did not expect the Naruto ref at 23:40
@Alikaoz
16 күн бұрын
All aboard Bear Force One
@samuelmeyer4119
16 күн бұрын
I'm curious why the mana for a white splash couldn't come in the form of a couple Savannahs? Then you're not sacrificing on your ability to play t1 exploration or burgeoning. And while it's then weaker to wasteland, we're playing 4 life from the loam so if any deck can greed on non-basics it feels like it should be this one. Is it just to not get hosed by blood moon/harbinger?
@Dhips.
15 күн бұрын
With how rare and pricy cards like Tabernacle ( and even duel lands ) are, do you think we'll reach a point where Legacy needs a "15 Proxy" rule to keep the game alive in paper? I don't think the sky is falling and legacy is dying, but I can see the concerns some might have with paper legacy. I'd like some duel lands someday, but man do they give me cold feet.
@Bthepig
15 күн бұрын
Round 1, game 2: why did opp not put nantuko on Atraxa? I feel like I'm missing something that Phil and opp are both playing around.
@wardog995
14 күн бұрын
Does anyone have the list that he played against in round 4 that G/B list looked sweet.
@jeromelim2928
12 күн бұрын
1:17:01 😂😂 ouphe came back
@jeromelim2928
16 күн бұрын
Is the 'tight editing' mainly because of the software update you mentioned in one of your replies or is there another reason for it? It threw me off at first and felt like the video got rushed. But halfway thru the video I'm now sure I'll get used to it and I guess it makes the videos shorter with more information squeezed in. All good. Love your content phil.
@ThrabenUniversity
15 күн бұрын
Working on adjusting. Changes will be in place next week!
@maciejwawrzyn4674
16 күн бұрын
I love this deck but is that 2 leagues without Big Bear going to the field
@junglejayps7532
18 күн бұрын
Absolutely diabolical
@FrelanceEQ
14 күн бұрын
is Damping Sphere not just *way* better than Thorn of Amethyst?
@benlittle5543
13 күн бұрын
Woooo lands
@ApexBitt
16 күн бұрын
No grief helps a lot 😮😅
@deucemoose7852
16 күн бұрын
Okay, I have heard your thoughts on eternal glory re. just asking why not play X-style comments, so I will attempt to think like a legacy player here. At one point, I think in round 3 you dredged several times against storm and didn't hit the lands you needed, but did roll over at least one thorn of amethyst. My gut reaction was that a creature like Eternal Witness would have been useful in the sideboard. However I think in that game you did not have the opportunity to living wish + Ewit, so there it wouldn't have mattered, and the number of games where that specific scenario would come up is unlikely to make the ewit worth a sideboard slot. Likely the thought would be Ewit is a win more card, rather than a recovery card because you can only make proper use of it when you aren't already heavily pressured. Next up was the round 5 storm match up. You talked about the nonbo nature of thorn of amethyst + vexing bauble and it actually game up in that round, since they were able to slowly play out over costed mana rocks once TOA was out. In this case my thought was, would a split of Lodestone Golems and thorns be viable? Pros would be that they're living wishable and would not increase the cost of mana rocks, while still taxing cantrips, tutors, and wheels. However, upon further consideration, they're 4 MV which makes them much slower, rather defeating the purpose of early game slowdown. They're creatures, so subject to a wider variety of removal. And last but not least, they're a Storm-specific tech card which we know the eternalglorypod believe is not generally worth deckspace (although maybe that's more tournament specific and less MTGO league-specific?). At any rate, I think thats probably more than enough reason not to run over what you already had. Hopefully I've been diligent in my learning and applied the lessons effectively haha
@evange_2577
15 күн бұрын
The editing made this a bit hard to listen to, the style can work for short form content but in a longer video like this, editing it so that there is near non-stop talking is overwhelming to listen to, hope this is just a test and not how videos will sound moving forward. That aside, love the content, the deck was super fun to watch you pilot!
@ThrabenUniversity
15 күн бұрын
Changings incoming, don't worry. This will not be the norm.
@mazerinthemage2395
14 күн бұрын
Makes me sad I only have 2 each of Tabernacle, and Drop of Honey in paper :/
@drewwirsching3865
13 күн бұрын
Wouldn't it be good to have a blast zone in the sideboard ?
@ThrabenUniversity
12 күн бұрын
It's very mana inefficient, but it is certainly an option.
@AnonymousHuman-ku5wh
15 күн бұрын
no crop rotation?
@freya002YT
15 күн бұрын
Nice
@prokopdombek5121
16 күн бұрын
Why not yavimaya? Would be usefull with al these mazes, tabernacles and colorless lands
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
It's totally fine, but playing that does often mana fix for your opponents (e.g. they have a basic Island, which is now functionally a Tropical Island) in your mana denial deck.
@JoeyJSawyers
16 күн бұрын
Dampening sphere instead of Thorn?
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
I opted not to do that since Living Wishing for expensive creatures is already a thing in the deck.
@klownSyndrome
14 күн бұрын
Sending this to the nerd on reddit who said you should never run more than 1 tabby ever for any ever. Suck it specialist_ratio_719.
@GGun1t
16 күн бұрын
Awww yeaaaaah
@NugentStephenD
16 күн бұрын
No creatures with ETB fight mechanic seems like a miss.
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
Mana efficiency is a problem there. Living Wish often costs you all your mana for a turn, meaning at absolute best, Living Wish is a two turn removal spell for a SMALL creature. Given that Psychic Frogs, Murktide Regents, and Eldrazi are all quite popular, many of the fight cards aren't going to actually serve as removal spells.
@NugentStephenD
16 күн бұрын
@@ThrabenUniversity Need it for magus of the moon effects.
@Floodle9358
16 күн бұрын
Surprised you still wanted to cut jegantha. My instinct is that the first jegantha is better than the 15th SB card. But maybe it’s just not
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
Dealing damage is one of the least important things that this deck is doing. Freeing up that sb space so I could play things like Thorns is much more important.
@Floodle9358
16 күн бұрын
@@ThrabenUniversity That’s a good way of putting it, thanks!
@joelhoskins2066
16 күн бұрын
Are you making more, tighter edits between sentences? I like it!
@ThrabenUniversity
16 күн бұрын
Yeah, the program I'm using got an update. Glad to hear it is going well!
@AaronRotenberg
15 күн бұрын
I had a hard time watching this video because of the new editing cutting off sentences and making everything so tight. 🙁
@ThrabenUniversity
15 күн бұрын
Working on adjusting. Changes will be in place next week!
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