Wow, those AMD 9000 chips are very boring. They don't die from voltage issues at least, but it seems like 7000 series is the way to go for most
@piellamp
28 күн бұрын
9600x and 9700x dont seem to bad
@JBrinx18
28 күн бұрын
@@piellampYou're better off price wise with a 7900x3d
@semigene
28 күн бұрын
Neither do Intel CPUs after microcode update.
@zagan1
28 күн бұрын
Don't have the new chipsets yet
@impuls60
28 күн бұрын
You dont know that yet.
@JBrinx18
28 күн бұрын
I would like to see some Linux Gaming testing. I think the results would be quite interesting for this series
@Mr11ESSE111
28 күн бұрын
Linux support so "much" games as apple Mac
@jamesg7456
28 күн бұрын
Check out level 1 Linux. Wendell did some zen 5 on Linux testing and found it was better
@B0BBYGAMER
27 күн бұрын
Disagree
@tehehe5929
27 күн бұрын
@@Mr11ESSE111 The only thing that doesn't work for me are some multiplayer games. Rest works well enough.
@Mr11ESSE111
27 күн бұрын
@@tehehe5929 works same as on windows
@brunogm
28 күн бұрын
It would be nice to test with 7900xtx, since other possible systemic issue are NV driver/gpus to explain the diff from expectation
@kevinerbs2778
27 күн бұрын
should match AMD's games too to see if there really is a problem.
@VoldoronGaming
27 күн бұрын
There is some driver overhead issues with nvidia gpus at 1080p which hardware unboxed discovered a few years ago
@B0BBYGAMER
27 күн бұрын
I think level 1 techs did
@user-cx6rg6mr7d
29 күн бұрын
thank you sir!
@TheRealSwidi
25 күн бұрын
Oh boy, the lengthy disclaimer about your method hits hard. I hope it did in fact reduce the amount of nasty comments. Haha. Keep it up!
@marksaxon
28 күн бұрын
Great work! We have to change our expectations on these gen to gen updates. The days of huge leaps gen to gen are over unless some new chip design comes along. The 7000 series is the sweet spot and the 9000 is just a waste. It's not a waste if someone is coming from 1000 to 3000 series but no one should update from 7000 series. You can say this about smartphones and Apple computers too. Waiting every 3-4 gens is the way to go.
@nossy232323
28 күн бұрын
Well, maybe. They got some huge AI/server related improvements which are normally not important to desktop users, but it does show that when they focus on specific workloads there is still a lot to be gained.
@DreadyBearBoi
28 күн бұрын
This is a really bad mindset and is what causes complacency among these manufacturers and designers.
@POVwithRC
28 күн бұрын
Who is We? Is there a mouse in your pocket?
@JMNovak1011
28 күн бұрын
I would agree. Both Intel and AMD are at the end of a design cycle and need to figure it out quick. But AMD also need a complete overhaul for their marketing and how they want to be seen. Your have customers in different venues of tech. Data center, workstations pros, and gamers... you want to appeal to all of them so your going to have to give an honest effort to do that. Ex. Hey we've increase AI and efficiency of these CPUs for our main Data center customers but have also made architectural changes to increase workstation performance for the professional who wants to maximizes there productivity. For our beloved gamers we well be releasing in the next few months our latest X3D chips so you can dominate the competition in whatever games you play.....etc. Its not hard. And just give honest apple to apple data slides, no my stuffs better than yours BS. If you cant beat the competition then market what you have to its strengths and go back to the drawing board and work harder next round. Then price fairly to what your offering. But like I you said if it keeps going this way your better off waiting 2-3 gens before upgrading.
@wallacesousuke1433
28 күн бұрын
@@DreadyBearBoi a worse mindset is to be a filthy nerd who eagerly obsesses over upgrading their stupid PCs every single year.. get a life, weirdo
@kevinerbs2778
28 күн бұрын
Hi Gordon. Would consider try doing some mGPU tests to get rid of the GPU bound parts at 4K of your test in gaming & include the 3D V-cache cpus? I can give a list of games that support, it's only like 7 to maybe 10 games, but I think you should revisit the gaming test with that idea. 1. Ashes of the singularity = Natively supported for All cards even different vendors 2. Chasm the rift = (Vulkan) 3. Deus EX mankind Divided (DX12 AFR must have single card set in control panel For S.L.I systems) 4. Rise of the Tomb Raider 5. Shadow of the Tomb Raider 6. Quake 2 RTX = (Vulkan) 7. Red dead Redemption 2 (Vulkan) 8. Strange brigade (Vulkcan) 9. Sniper elite 4
@4m470
27 күн бұрын
Deus X isn't supported anymore. I remember reaching out to AMD about it and they said DXMKD never supported mGPU. I linked them their own website with dual 480s beating a 1080. They immediately took the website down and said mGPU was not supported.
@4m470
27 күн бұрын
Rebellion makes Sniper Elite4. I wish they put out more games because gawd damn they figured out mGPU. I used dual Vega 64s and Fury X-Fury for a while. Those systems could easily get 4K 120FPS. I love Rebellion.
@kevinerbs2778
26 күн бұрын
@@4m470 Odd it's supports Vega 56 & 64 in mGPU? although that might be the weird one that has both crossfire/mGPU support on those cards they were like in between for DX11 & Dx12 support. I've got two RTX 2080 ti's & I can match a RTX 4090 with them in Dues Ex Mankind divided in 4K.
@actually404
28 күн бұрын
VBS, you're referring to Memory Integrity setting on Windows right? Did AMD's review guideline suggest having that enabled? I remember you mentioning your numbers being like 10% off from AMD numbers during your live stream: I wonder if VBS caused that? FWIR enabling it comes with a hefty performance hit. As for PBO, PBO auto, AFAIK has always been PBO off and your Cinebench multi-core numbers for 9700X looks like it's still power-starved, corroborating my memory of how PBO auto behaves. Last time I played around with PBO was on 5900X 3 years ago, and for that, I had to set PBO to on and then set the PPT, TDC, EDC settings manually to see a performance difference, IIRC.
@kevinerbs2778
28 күн бұрын
In the Marketing Slides it shows VBS On check Techpowerups deep dive of Zen 5.
@PowellCat745
28 күн бұрын
If Windows enables VBS by default, it should be enabled for all test configurations.
@Antagon666
27 күн бұрын
Sign of really good CPU is ;when you have to take a microscope behind couch cushions during full moon to find any performance improvements.
@GameCookerUSRocks
25 күн бұрын
Hey Gordon. Nice to see you're going strong. Thanks for the tech information. You and all the team. Peace.
@Crossfire2003
23 күн бұрын
Great video! I wish that Intel's i9-14900KS would've been present in those charts too.
@nal_er
22 күн бұрын
Thank you for the review. I'm having a hard time letting go of my 3960x Threadripper + Asrock Crator Mobo that's been rocking SOLID for the past 3 years with 2x 4070s FE + 2x 2070 FE Supers (on riser cables), 3x 2TB SSDs, 2x 10 TB mechanicals and 1x 4 TB SETA. 9950x QUESTION: Do you guys think the new Asus x870 ROG Cosshair Hero or Asus x870 ProArt can handle all these drives with 2x 4070s (Minus the 2x 2070s of course) like my old 3960x can with stability? I'm looking at the Hero because it has an extra power connector that could help juice up the second 4070!
@CyberTechVR
27 күн бұрын
Hi Gordon I understand that PBo is overclocking afterall .. did you overclocked bathe Intel chips too
@pcworld
24 күн бұрын
MCE was set to auto, but the Gigabyte board now enforces Intel default power limits. -Adam
@tuckerhiggins4336
28 күн бұрын
Wendell found that if you run Cyberpunk as an administrator, you gain 10fps on Zen 5. Ive seen tons of weird inconsistencies, so it seems like Windows just isnt working well for Zen5 yet
@NewishJordan
28 күн бұрын
Main reason I haven't gone AMD yet is the scheduler issues on Windows with the dual CCD chips. I'm not going to use process lasso for my OS to somewhat properly use my CPU. Seeing it still has these issues all these years later is sad considering their highest core count chips are multi-CCD. I really wish they'd fix it already and I'd buy a 9950x for my next workstation in a heartbeat.
@alexmartinelli6231
27 күн бұрын
Check out the new Hardware Unboxed video! That's not just a Zen 5 bug!
@yarost12
27 күн бұрын
It's the same on Zen 4
@yarost12
27 күн бұрын
@@NewishJordanit's working fine if you have Xbox game bar installed.
@bgtubber
26 күн бұрын
Running as the real administrator makes you vulnerable to viruses. Definitely not recommended for gaining a few FPS more.
@Ray88G
27 күн бұрын
And you please do a desktop Linux based review with Ubuntu because apparently there's an issue with windows , especially with gaming
@4m470
27 күн бұрын
Windows just sux. Ubuntu is great if the games you play are Vulkan or OpenGL. I hope devs use Vk and OGL more often. DX12 sux bc Windows sux.
@captainpickle6361
25 күн бұрын
Any testing on non-Nvidia cards out there?
@Ray88G
27 күн бұрын
Thank you . Its not a gaming cpu
@-INFERNUS-
27 күн бұрын
Just curious what happened to Keith? Did he leave PC World? I haven't seen him in a long time. Hope all is well. 🙂
@pcworld
24 күн бұрын
He's been doing some shorts here and there for us, but has been busy with his day job. -Adam
@-INFERNUS-
24 күн бұрын
@@pcworld Ah ok, good to know. Thanks Adam😎
@Theworthsearcher
23 күн бұрын
Very good video. Thank you! 🙂
@johnrichardson3297
24 күн бұрын
PC World Linux, Server Duty BIOS Profile, BIOS: DAW/Workstation DAW/(Ableton, Cubase, Ardour, Audio Interface w/ Hardware; BIOS: Video Editing/GPU have 50 Firefox tabs open Have
@leod9968
28 күн бұрын
Gordon, Team: Thank you very much for your amazing work, I love not only the results but also the insights and thoughts when analyzing each test. I have a few comments and recommendations regarding the testing methods though, which hopefully you can read and think about them. 1) I know you were testing CPU parts here but testing the fastest memory each platform supports, even if they differ, is important because the embedded memory controller is tested too. With all the issues surrounding the Intel chips, I don't know which are the Intel recommended specs for RAM modules but I'm sure it's not 6000 MT/s. I understand AMD supports 5600 MT/s although I understand that AMD provided a benchmark guide which suggested using 6000 MT/s, which allow the memory controller to use an Auto:1:1 ratio with the Infinity Fabric Clock (FCLK), unified memory controller clock (UCLK), and memory clock (MEMCLK). Also, because these are productivity tests, I think it's more appropriate to test the CPUs using four DIMMs, which is what most people use when building a workstation. Using four DIMMs also impact the maximum frequency the memory controller can operate on. 2) Using the Performance power profile on Windows hurts performance most of the time. There's no benefit on having all the CPU parts active at all times. In fact, because all components are active, it makes them use more power and produce heat -- If the parts of the CPU which are not needed are disabled, there would be more room for the CPU to boost higher because the amount of dissipated heat would be lower. Also, both AMD and Intel tune power and scheduling settings which are only available when using the Balanced power profile on Windows. This is particularly important when testing AMD 3D V-cache chips but it also applies to Intel CPUs with a hybrid architecture and AMD multi-chiplet CPUs, even the non-X3D ones. Balanced is the default profile, the one that most people use (definitely, the one that everyone should use). 3) The best way to benchmark CPUs on the same platform is by re-formatting the disk and performing clean installs every time you change the CPU. This is especially true if you're testing X3D CPUs (which is not the case here) but it also applies to multi-chiplet CPUs. Multi-chiplet CPUs require special drivers and settings on Windows which are only configured during the Windows installation and AMD drivers installation phases. If you put a single CCD CPU first, those special settings and additional drivers won't be set/installed, hugely impacting how scheduling works when you switch CPUs and put a multi-chiplet CPU to perform the benchmarks without performing a full OS reinstallation. If you're not going to re-format each time, make sure you test the multi-chiplet CPUs first, then the ones with a single CCD for more consistent results as you'd make sure that the optimizations and required drivers for multi-chiplet parts are installed on. 4) Not sure why you guys decided to use the SSD in PCIe Gen 4 mode when you can use it in Gen 5 mode...Bearing in mind that you're making productivity tests, storage access might be a bottleneck on some scenarios. Please, reconsider setting the SSD to PCIe Gen 5 in the future, and use an M.2 port connected directly to the CPU, not one connected to the chipset. 5) Until Intel releases their final BIOS update, I wouldn't include any Intel CPU benchmark. At this moment, those values are misleading. Performance results will surely vary and people may make uninformed purchases if they base their decisions on what's shown here. This is something I've been asking to all review outlets I follow: by stating that you won't include Intel chips on the charts, it will put pressure on Intel. It's time that someone forces them to stop playing with potential and current customers. They have to resolve the issue once and for all, and stop releasing temporary fixes that only buys them time and makes people buy things that after some time are damaged or performance is degraded, not honoring what the spec sheets initially stated.
@dilankalpa
16 күн бұрын
I would like to see MySQL performance on Linux (9950x vs 7950x)
@threadripper979
28 күн бұрын
Gordon is so right about listening to multiple reviews. Don't just listen to the arrogant "scientist" Steve at GN (LOL) and then not listen to the super intelligent Wendel at L1 Techs. You'll miss an honest, forward-looking review. And great job by Gordon and his crew, as always.
@joecapasso3741
13 күн бұрын
10736 here on 7950x, outperforming your 9900x.
@impuls60
28 күн бұрын
Since ALL the AMD Chips are run with overclocking and WARRANTY out the window, you could atleast give the Intel part 7200Mhz ram. Amd cant run more than 6200 and shows little improvement over 6000 so thats fine. I feel that would give a more apples to apples comparison since you are trying to showcase all products in a best case scenario which I appreciate.
@misterpinkandyellow74
28 күн бұрын
@@impuls60 what gibberish
@tuckerhiggins4336
28 күн бұрын
Intel will just refuse the rma when their chip dies under warranty so it's fair
@IrocZIV
28 күн бұрын
They said the memory controller was improved, I'm wondering if that means it can handle 4 DIMMs any better. I need 128GB and running it slow is no fun.
@amigatommy7
28 күн бұрын
One reviewer showed nope.
@Angel7black
28 күн бұрын
Please dont buy this thing… seriously the 7950X is way cheaper, performs basically the same and doesnt have the headass core parking or general bugginess that the 9950X does…
@tuckerhiggins4336
28 күн бұрын
Wendell said it is an improvement, but 2x48gb is the best config for speedy bois
@amigatommy7
28 күн бұрын
I have seen reports that windows is currently more of a problem than usual.
@danilluzin
28 күн бұрын
I think if the results were sorted highest to lowest (as most reviewers do) it would be much more readable, Also highlighting the part you are reviewing (in this case 9900x and 9950x) would be quite helpful. I do like blue for intel and different shades of red for old vs new gen though!
@Roman00744
28 күн бұрын
lol actually it's very easy to understand there is no reason at all to buy Zen5% over Zen4 even at the prices you showed, I saw most of the CPUs you've shown in the price comparison for way cheaper at times, those "street prices" went up a little before the Zen5% reviews. IMO even Zen4 is still overpriced and the best CPU that you can buy for gaming and regular PC use (without productivity or work PC) is the 5700x3d from Aliexpress for under 150$ when there is a sale and coupons IMO that's the best bang for the buck CPU. I'm still on a 9900k and don't feel any need to upgrade, according to time spy my PC is a bit faster than a 7700x with a 4070 system, my system has been manually tuned a few years ago so had that performance for years, stable, efficient and quiet.
@B0BBYGAMER
27 күн бұрын
Bring on new chipset and x3d
@billkillernic
28 күн бұрын
New Cinebench 24 scores dont make sense to me single core 14900K gets 233 (using its power core and it has 8 of them with HT that makes 16 threads) thats the same as the 9700x which is 232 So since 9700x also has 8 cores and 8 (SMD) extra threads totals at 16 threads. So on multi thread the 9700x gets 1100 The 19400 gets 2107 since intels power cores seem to be on par with AMDs 9000 cores that suggest that intel only using the power cores would get about 1100 as well,which means the res 1000 point came from the 16 efficiency cores. And HERE is the weird thing now lets see the 9950x its two 9700x essentially, to each chimplet so to speak makes 1125 in multicore That means that the 16 efficiency cores are only about 125 points behind that the ryzen 9000 full 8 cores with SMD ?? Either something is wrong or the new cinebench 2024 is bugged... because the way I see it the 14900 should have a smaller multicore score.
@tuckerhiggins4336
28 күн бұрын
Idk about all that, but I do know 1 Zen4/5 core is half the size of an Intel P core. Which makes them close to the size of an Intel E core. Which is really funny
@Antagon666
27 күн бұрын
@@tuckerhiggins4336AMD is on 2x smaller node 😆 Let's wait for arrow lake, where there wouldn't such deficit. I personally think AL will steamroll over Zen 4/5 at same power draw
@tuckerhiggins4336
26 күн бұрын
@Antagon666 I'm thinking Intel delayed their tech day because ARL isn't coming out until next year. Hopefully that means it won't be garbage
@Antagon666
26 күн бұрын
@@tuckerhiggins4336 I would hope that event will be really just AI centric and won't have any effect on CPU's. Also Intel getting out new gen of CPUs would be in it's beyt interest, to move on from all the controversy.
@foxs49er
28 күн бұрын
Do you think most people will enable PBO? Why are the only results with PBO on? You said it's because of a time limit that you didn't do both but if there's rime you might come back and revisit without PBO on but of your going to do one and revisit it seems the logical way to do it would be to start with default settings. That would be like testing Intel chips with only XMU auto OC on. Sure it's easy for users to do but if you're only providing one set of numbers to start I'd think you would want to start with default performance. It's on the manufacturers to make sure their products are getting their performance out of the box on release.
@Antagon666
27 күн бұрын
No, that's why AMD is patching the bios to make them 105W TDP 🤡
@raminpro9765
27 күн бұрын
INTEL MANY CPU RUN ABOVE 1.6 VOLT ,,,must be under 1.2
@catalin.
29 күн бұрын
10:35 Why with PBO ON/AUTO, why not test the Default mode?
@PowellCat745
28 күн бұрын
Agree, PBO should be an additional data point, not the only data point. If only one configuration can be tested, the default one should be tested.
@leod9968
28 күн бұрын
Even though these Ryzen 9000 series CPUs have an X in the name, by default they behave like the non-X Ryzen 7000 series CPUs when they're used without PBO on (these new chips run in a sort of ECO mode). These new chips have similar/slightly better performance with PBO disabled when compared to the old non-X Ryzen 7000 counterparts. When you enable PBO on these new chips, they're more suitable to be compared with the X counterparts, which boosts frequency at the expense of more electric power (and heat dissipation). Overall I'd have loved to see results with PBO on and off separately but I understand that there's a lot of work behind these benchmarks and the team might have not have enough time to perform every single test we all wanted to see. Also, because these are mostly benchmarks focused on productivity, you want to run the CPUs as fast as possible to perform more work, faster (because more work means more revenue).
@Collinormous
12 күн бұрын
Windows 11? Ew I only run TempleOS
@lesserlogic9977
28 күн бұрын
Upgrading to a 1000 hz monitor lol 😅
@allanwilmath8226
28 күн бұрын
PBO should not be on, if it's 'overclocking' than it's guaranteed and thus deosnt' belong in official review. If AMD doesn't warrantee it than it doesn't count, the same for Intel. Rvieews need to fight against this marketing fraud.
@archiblush
7 күн бұрын
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@daniellepage7322
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Brown Joseph Harris Richard Moore Timothy
@manriquedanielmarperez7995
26 күн бұрын
this new ryzen where a real dissapointment. It´s Intel Gen 11 all over again.
@KendricksMaragoudakisE
14 күн бұрын
Robinson Ruth Hall Lisa Smith Ruth
@proskillr
28 күн бұрын
Pooget
@archiblush
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@raminpro9765
27 күн бұрын
SECRET = in amd all reviewer,user must use SPECIAL AMD RAM (like gskill royal 8000 special for amd rayzen edition) + AMD graphic card,then you see above 20% extra performance and no erorr,hang
@VoldoronGaming
27 күн бұрын
Windows 11 only has about 30-35% marketshare so no the world isn’t about windows 11.
@abaj006
28 күн бұрын
Its not the best gaming CPU, so a total failure of a CPU for anything. Avoid at all cost, even if you don't game.
@Mr11ESSE111
28 күн бұрын
This cpus are disaster!!AMD will be in big shit when Arrow lake came out
@user-pw5qz4ks1j
29 күн бұрын
14900k anytime better than shitty amd chips
@misterpinkandyellow74
29 күн бұрын
Delusional
@user-pw5qz4ks1j
29 күн бұрын
@@misterpinkandyellow74 I am using it in reality. There are 1% gamers who KNOW how to abuse cpu. And CRY oh my god there voltage issues
@misterpinkandyellow74
29 күн бұрын
@user-pw5qz4ks1j still delusional.
@kevinerbs2778
28 күн бұрын
till oxygen molecules says hello. OXYGEN INSIDE!
@nossy232323
28 күн бұрын
Until your CPU starts to degrade too much.
@johnpp21
29 күн бұрын
these desktop chips are bruh barely an improvement strix point is so much better
@tuckerhiggins4336
28 күн бұрын
Bespoke laptop chip design. We just get the bad bins of server chips rip
@danielfatfingahs5649
27 күн бұрын
Windows bug! Run in Administrator mode!
@zarko_mkd1780
29 күн бұрын
Ahhh, another one just like Intel problem, effecting the AMD situation, why these giga Chad manufacturers are digging their own grave, what on earth, AMD was laughing at Intel for the 13 and 14 Gen stability issues but they fall into the same pool of problems 😂... What is going on.. 🤣🤣🤣
@EverSpaceTime
29 күн бұрын
9700x Still crushed by a year old 14600k. heh. Imagine arrow lake.
@nossy232323
28 күн бұрын
But the 9800X3D should be OK when it comes on the market. Will be a bit faster than the 7800X3D and have AVX 512 which is nice for some game emulators. Still would have wanted more.
@tbreeze79
28 күн бұрын
arrow lake has no chance againist new future x3d.
@EverSpaceTime
28 күн бұрын
@@tbreeze79 AMD 5% x3D? Nothing will change from the old X3D. lol. It's comical you losers only care about games. You will remain nothing in life.
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