Damn, the production quality behind these videos is so underrated.
@FilmEngineer77
8 ай бұрын
I agree. 😉. Adam does an excellent job.
@adamtalkstech
8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
@benmagnus0858
2 ай бұрын
I didn't question it before I saw how much reach he actually has
@RobertJBareIII
8 ай бұрын
Dear God. What are the prices on these things. I thought this was a pretty novel solution. A way to get the fastest possible data transfer speeds out of a PCIE M.2 SSD when moving around between USB and thunderbolt hosts in a robust form factor (while eliminating the added cost of an interface on each SSD). That seems like quite a niche use case but one I totally can understand in the video production sector. Especially on smaller/medium sized productions. But any value that convenience brings went right out the window when I saw the pricing on these, even more so when I looked into the warranty. This is effectively a WD Black M.2 SSD in a fancy (proprietary) enclosure with a variety of enclosures to connect it to. This base station seems to just be a thunderbolt enclosure with a PCIE PLX chip (a fancy switching chip that allows a bunch of PCIE devices to all share the full bandwidth of a given PCIE connection) that you can hotplug these SSDs into. For a setup I think would even begin to warrant this unit (this unit + two 1TB mags + two 2TB mags + two Transport reader, you're looking at the following costs Current Sale Price: *$1439.93* Normal MSRP: *$1599.93* So that is *$1600* for what is essentially a PCIE PLX chip in a thunderbolt enclosure, a bog standard USB3 to NVME adapter, and a couple of WD Black M.2 SSDs in fancy metal housings. Oh and by the way all of these use a proprietary connector to connect to one another. When I parted out what I thought to be a somewhat equivalent setup using four standard M.2 SSDs (same capacities), USB3 M.2 enclosures, and a nice TB4 Dock, I got a number of $797.75. That is a markup of over *_200%_* More Still I came up with that number using SSDs (samsung 980 Pros) that are frankly over spec'd considering USB or TB4 could only at most reach half of their rated R/W speeds, While also purchasing a metal housing/USB3 interface for each SSD. Going further, the warranty on these is what makes these feel almost criminally overpriced to me. Nearly every single M.2 SSD will have a warranty that is good for a certain number of years, and a certain number of TBW (that being how many total terabytes of data the drive is warrantied to withstand having wrote to it). For a pro-sumer ssd like the 1TB samsung 970 evo plus that is 5 years and 600TBW (with the TBW scaling with capacity, I.E the 2TB drive has a TBW of 1200). The SSD Mags, do not list any metric similar to TBW and only list a similar 5 year warranty. For a "pro" priced product They do not seem to offer any sort of extended coverage in terms of damage or data loss, and will not warranty any problems that result from "normal wear and tear". So from what I can gather, if you have a drive failure in the 5 year warranty period there wouldn't be any option for a warranty covered attempt at Data recovery and you'd have no way to dispute any claim that your drive failed due to "natural wear and tear." Along with SanDisk's recent handling of the Pro and pro extreme portable SSDs I'd be very wary of this warranty. In reality instead of making an eco system of what I'd describe as over-engineered, over-priced, proprietary, cnc'd alumnium bullshit, I believe a more self contained solution would have been better. An external USB-C SSD, with either a physical switch to change between a USB 20Gbs or TB interface or have it automatically detect and connect with the appropriate mode. Or simply an SSD with two USB-C ports for each function. This would allow users to have the option/ability to connect their SSD to their workstation or camera at the fastest possible speed without forcing them to purchase an overpriced dock. Though this proposition is made while ignoring my belief that TB in this use case is rather unnecessary only adding complication to a product that doesn't need it. For one, I know of _no_ camera that uses TB for it's external media. Two, to be able to make use of the bandwidth allowed by TB when offloading Media, you need an equally as fast destination. So unless you have a TB Drive array or somehow a 40Gbe Network connection to your NAS (Hello LTT) the added bandwidth would be wasted. When it comes to editing, I struggle to think what scenario could possibly allow you to hit the limit of 20Gbps (roughly 2GB/s) of a USB3 gen2x2 connection or even a normal 10Gbps Gen2 connection. If you are experiencing frame drops/playback issues due to hitting those read speed limitations, you're probably already well into the territory of proxies making sense in your workflow. *Overall the convenience or value this system adds compared to already existing options does not seem like a good value at a near doubling in price **_at all_* Sorry to write you a novel in the comments here, the video looks and sounds fantastic, but I couldn't disagree more on the conclusion.
@adamtalkstech
8 ай бұрын
You've got some great points, I can't respond to all of them, but the main point of this system is convenience and modularity, definitely not value. but after pricing out the WD Black NVMEs and the problades you just pay a litlte more for the problade system. check out my system I built out with the OWC 4 slot NVME enclosure at some point in this video. Also they do have the transport which is designed to use it with a camera at the 20Gbps speeds, but the issue with those on the mac is Macs top out at 10Gbps using anything other than thunderbolt, so thats part of why the station is necessary. For me when editing using adjustment layers, effects, titles, that is where I've had issues with the 10Gb SSDs and where these thunderbolt drives just don't bog down. Again I said it in the video, this system is definitely not for everyone. It's for the film professionals who have a bunch of extsreme portables or samsung shields or what not. those drives are not designed to be used in a pro environment. These are designed for filming to, backing files up to, and having easy modular systems. I think they are really for people who are going to end up buying 10+ pro blades a year. As far as standard NVMEs go, definitely way better value, but they aren't quickly modular like these are. A lot of people aren't comfortable with buying a SATA SSD or a NVME straight up and putting it in an enclosure. It's not hard, but its outside of some people's wheelhouse. Or if you want the thunderbolt speeds and space for lots of data, do you really want to have a bunch of those thunderbolt enclosures? With this its the one station and loading up to 4 blades at once. One last thing that excites me about this system is the potential for the future, meaning if every month I find myself needing about 2-4TB of storage for my projects, i could just buy two of the magazines, and quickly copy files to 2 drives, then take one of the copies I made offsite so I have an offsite backup.
@OnYourLeft
2 ай бұрын
OWC DOES make their own drives as well as the enclosure. The 4M2 is a repository, though. Basically, if you have a slew of cameras that can write to the ProBlade magazine via transports, get one of these stations, copy the clips from the magazines to your 4M2, edit, and then put the final back onto one magazine. Save that magazine as your client's master copy. That's your archive right there. At least, that's how I would use it. Sure, it takes a bit of time to go from the magazine to the 4M2 and back, but I'm not keen on editing right on my acquisition drives. That's too volatile. I prefer keeping the media in 2 places until I'm done, not including my online and offline backups.
@useditem_tk
2 ай бұрын
They are targeting BlackMagicCamera users. U don't get much options and the price is not that bad since they are professional grade device.
@tivolee1666
Ай бұрын
Will it work on mac?
@a27a9
8 ай бұрын
Hi me a question about SanDisk Professional 0TB PRO-Blade Station Do the multiple 4 TB drives allow me to create a RAID array to backup my work?
@adamtalkstech
8 ай бұрын
You can make an array… I tried it out, but I would recommend manually copying with this setup since the blades are designed to be removed. Unless you are just going to leave the blades as is and never take them out.
@harivonwintr
5 ай бұрын
Did I hear you correctly when you said it comes with all the different power adapters for EU / UK / US? Because I live in the US and in Paris and would need to swap between the different plugs constantly, its neat if it comes with it already so I can hot swap.
@adamtalkstech
5 ай бұрын
Yeah I think it had a box with all of them in it because the back pins on the adapter can pop off
@michaelbellis2279
3 ай бұрын
Would be good to know, since this is not available in my region, therefore I’d buy from Amazon USA, can you confirm the adapters are for UK?
@harivonwintr
3 ай бұрын
@@michaelbellis2279 hey I bought one and it came with different adapters.
@yugandhar_music
6 ай бұрын
Is there any product which uses Thunderbolt 4 / USB 4.0 connections? There are a few single slot USB4.0 enclosures which delivers approximate 3800 MB/s read / write speed but couldn't find a station with 2 or more slots compatibility. Also, does Pro blade Station use JBOD?
@adamtalkstech
6 ай бұрын
Not yet… Believe me, I’m watching for the usb4/tb4s. I haven’t used any of those enclosures, I’m not a fan of NVME enclosures Pro blade station is JBOD, you can technically reformat it to RAID using your mac RAID Configuration but I didn’t notice any speed improvements
@TechSid-hn6eg
3 ай бұрын
enclosers always have issues... i have faced drive mapping issues when i shut my computer down while the drive was plugged in. It is a 10Gbps Oricon~something drive. The enclosers will always have weird drivers issue, you dont wanna mess up your footage if that happens lol. I had to transfer all data to my internal ssd and then format the external ssd to fix the issue. Please dont do critical work with enclosures 👍
@eduardoromeroquezada1584
4 ай бұрын
I bought it recently and when I transfer files larger than 500GB it disconnects and the units are very hot. Has that ever happened to you?
@adamtalkstech
4 ай бұрын
They do get hot and fans rev over 500 gb but I haven’t had it disconnect ever.
@undefined7141
8 ай бұрын
So, Blackmagic has a solution and it’s not using a proprietary media. Just a consideration.
@adamtalkstech
8 ай бұрын
Which model are you referring to? Do they have a thunderbolt version?
@wubbsy
8 ай бұрын
Most portable SSDs have proprietary form factors. And these have HDDs with build in Docks for one SSD. Also if you use the USB C thingy it’s like any other Portable SSD.
@adamtalkstech
8 ай бұрын
Yup my G Raid Mirror review comes out next week. @@wubbsy
@thomasrosier5775
7 ай бұрын
I totally disagree as far as the noise level is concerned! I have 2 of these pro blade stations hence a defect should not be the case. Sometimes you do not hear any fan noise, but quite often the fan speeds up even in situations where the system is not under heavy workload. This behavior has been confirmed by Sandisk Professional customer support service.
@adamtalkstech
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for this comment because I need to update the description and put on a card and put a follow up video at some point. I just got 2 of the 4TB pro blades a week or so ago and I do notice the fan noise now when I'm transferring 300Gb-1TB at a time.
@thomasrosier5775
7 ай бұрын
So do you think it is only an issue if all 4 slots are in use or do only have the 4TB blades the fan impact? I could not find any rule.@@adamtalkstech
@adamtalkstech
7 ай бұрын
I'm having it with 2 or 3 slots at times too, but I think when I was just using the 1TB i wasn't moving enough data to notice.
@audeostudio
5 ай бұрын
How do you get products send to you by Sandisk when you don’t even have 3k subs?
@adamtalkstech
2 ай бұрын
Great question
@Ruiyixin
8 ай бұрын
How many watts does the power supply need to work? 100W? 80W?🤣
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