Eric, thanks for the SBF Trick Flow content! I'm a fan of both. Have a set of Comp Ported CNC 205 11Rs waiting to go on my 331.
@msk3905
8 ай бұрын
Back in 90s i built a 306ci first with ported E7s all add ons and 9.7cr, made 268rwhp at the time I upgraded everything so ran out of money for aluminum heads but set engine for them in near future. Swapped just E7s for these cr remained nearly same and WOW what an improvement made 312rwhp. Power increased across the board with peak HP occurring 400 rpm higher now. I debated between these and AFR 165 and very happy I went with these, ran them about 2 years trouble free.
@dennisrobinson8008
6 ай бұрын
If you look at the dynos the TFS TW always made more peak torque than any of the others and higher hp. The higher peak torque with the same combo means they are more efficient. They really kick ass. If you were doing it again, you could setup a combo that makes similar to coyote numbers with ported TFS TW and the right parts.
@YouCantSawSawdust
6 ай бұрын
This is another example why we don't race flow benches, or dynos for that matter. These heads just work in a real world situation, no matter what your flow numbers or little windmill are telling you.
@WeingartnerRacing
6 ай бұрын
Sure. Did you compare to something that flowed more or are just hypothesizing.
@packhousetv
8 ай бұрын
The twisted wedge head makes more power than any other head commensurate to it. Not much more, but more.
@vibrant93
Жыл бұрын
Twisted Wedge.... Old school stuff that is still alive. Thank you for a great tutorial! Those old casting non 11r heads make the Ford stuff go fast. Not saying the 11r's don't. They do too. Now a big fan of the "R" head. :)
@racerd9669
Жыл бұрын
Ports that point at the cylinder wall have tumble not swirl, that is why all DRC Pro-stock heads have FORD ports, same as NASCAR heads all use FORD ports.
@sorshiaemms5959
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the FORD stuff hopefully you ll do more had a set of these on a low compression 351 with a 224 234 500 520 cam with 112 lobes never had it on the dyno but in a 3600 lb car it ran 12 60 at 109 with a 2500 stall and 4 11 gears still have the heads plan to put them on a 408 and this video give me a direction to move in thanks
@clarkmcmahan1595
Жыл бұрын
Excellent swirl versus flow comparison ..thank you for sharing and giving your opinion on the subject ..
@dilloncecil9990
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see that swirl test on one of the R heads; I have heard that was trickflows attempt at both tumbling AND swirling into the bore.
@jcnpresser
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for some trick flow ford love!
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@brucechamberlain9890
Жыл бұрын
I know some of the class racers back in the late 90’s use to weld up the seats to drop the valve lower which helped with shrouding and that short side. Also I’ve always heard these are swirl ports that got noisy on the bench after .600 lift and the high ports are tumble ports.
@jamesfalterman5098
Жыл бұрын
The Ford Twisted Wedge with the stock intake port location and 15 degree valve angle stock is a mess but in the right hands they can be made to make great power. Had a set done by Mike Curcio years ago that were previously CNC ported buy a reputable company and one thing he told me was how loud they were on the flow bench at higher lifts and once you get the ports right they became much smoother and quieter on the bench and then you know you are going in the right direction with the port. The ports he did and the ports Eric did are almost identical at every valve lift except mine were 8 more cfm better at .400 and Eric's 6 more cfm better at .600" and 11 more cfm at .700 and they backed up about the same. It seems that no matter what you do they stall around .600"-.700" but they still will make great power. On a pump gas 374" to run 10.30 at 129 through mufflers weighing 3280 tells you how good these heads can be in the right hands. If I'm not mistaken I think Mike was the first to run 8's N/A with a T/W R head? Great job Eric and whoever is putting those heads on will be very happy.
@travissizemore116
Жыл бұрын
Wealth of knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for Watching.
@justinschmidt9180
Жыл бұрын
Great info . Thank you . Finally a ford customer so i can get aome info thanks again
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping watching when its not Ford stuff.
@nobiden3134
Жыл бұрын
I have the Aussie 2v's and got 290I and 230E @.500 out of them👍 You ever worked the SBC 291 fuelies? I have those too. With the factory 2.02's/160's and Factory Relief Cut. Worked the ports but no bench #'s
@everydayirace
Жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see dyno numbers of the same engine with 2 different heads that flow the same but have different swirl speed.
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Maybe some day.
@richdouche8253
Жыл бұрын
Interesting all the nuances from one head to the next. The only thing I know about Trick Flow heads on Ford small blocks, is they have always been known to make good power, and usually the best power per dollar spent. I don't think swirl is a necessity for these heads based on how the Dyno and track numbers speak for themselves.
@Bacongrease00
Жыл бұрын
TFS or AFR is usually a solid bet for making a powerful SBF with simple off the shelf parts. We are so spoiled today. You can build a 500hp+ 347 with all parts from summit racing and a credit card
@pimpovic2
5 ай бұрын
@@Bacongrease00just the way it should be 😅
@treyrags
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. I've been waiting for someone to not only flow but work these above .600. There just isn't any info out there. What do you think made the most difference in the gain between .600 and .700? I'm guessing widening the ssr? I would think that is a huge improvement for those of us who are pushing air through too fast already over .600
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Widening the short side and more bowl area.
@ScottM5.0
11 ай бұрын
Would you recommend AFRs over 11Rs? Next build will still be SBF, assuming I won’t go Coyote. Granted, turbos will overcome lots of shortcomings (Honda & Toyota fanboys can attest).
@aaronliddell4280
5 ай бұрын
11R > AFR
@magnusdanielsson2749
Жыл бұрын
The oe’s spend alot of research on swirl, tumble and squish. It has effect on the combustion efficiency and emissions. But theres many factors that contribute, not so easy to sift trough. Also it mainly seem to matter at low rpms. At higher rpms it is thought that the fuel/aur mixture have enough energy to get the mixing done anyways. I guess back to back dyno testing is the only way to know.
@billythebake
Жыл бұрын
I've heard the same thing - that swirl and tumble become far more important when the airspeed is low, like part throttle operation at low RPM Curious if this particular design is just basically trading swirl for tumble. Or, trading the energy spent on making swirl and/or tumble for more airflow?
@jplperformance9073
Жыл бұрын
Question, on my 3800 v6 heads. Alot of castings these days are cracked in between the intake and exhaust. Alot of guys just keep running them. What are long term effects of not replacing the heads while running heads that have cracks between the valves???
@neilhansen9886
Жыл бұрын
Great info as usual 👍
@donaldhalls2189
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be more beneficial for the air to swirl the one direction? what would prevent it swirl in reverse? great information, over my pay grade I've only delt with standard OEM products, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones, best wishes to your son and his swimming
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
It should be but I haven't tested that on the dyno.
@davidphillips3953
Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does it seem like the "twist" makes the short turn situation even worse? With the valve more where it wuold be if they were left in line it would have more runner length to make a less abrupt turn, they could have raised the floor and had more room to arch it down into the port.
@cgarris8674
Жыл бұрын
Looks like they're maximized for .540 to .600 HR street cams out of the box. If more track oriented, I'm guessing the Hi-Ports may be the way to go or am I over generalizing?
@Bacongrease00
Жыл бұрын
What’s a strong cylinder head would make some good power.
@timothybayliss6680
Жыл бұрын
Right on, here before the audio finishes rendering.
@jmflournoy386
Жыл бұрын
What if we made a SBF 302 head with a 351W ort height (or a 400 Mopar head with a 440 port height) or a BBC Head with a Tall block port height golly could you use the 351w or 440 manifolds? That does not look like a SBF canted valve head do they still make a SBC chevy with canted valves? OK OK just tripping I care about .100 will try and address on your Q&A
@jeffjones4040
Жыл бұрын
These heads were specifically made for EFI. This may have influenced the decision to give up swirl to increase flow.
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
ok
@eriksimmons4864
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Not really a ford guy was wondering these are old head design, has China stolen it and started manufacturing them ?
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Not to my knowledge
@andretorben9995
Жыл бұрын
Hey Eric, Questions for you. What is your take on welding inside ports (alloy), does it weaken/distort the head? what the chances of valve seats coming loose from distortion? Some heads have material lacking behind the valve seat inserts like procomps, is it possible to weld them up? what about epoxy in street heads, does it come loose, what would you use, what about down near the valve such as behind the seats or making a vane. Have you have epoxy come loose. Thanks.
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
with procomps I wouldn't trust the head period. On other heads it depends where you weld and how much.
@smallengineexpert6607
Жыл бұрын
Off topic have you flowed the Mopar W2?
@tonytate2964
Жыл бұрын
Liked it
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@KingJT80
Жыл бұрын
i wonder what the new 11Rs would flow? they make a 205 in those too
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
If some ever come into the shop I will find out.
@DevastationMtrsports
Жыл бұрын
15 degree or 20 degree head???? Maybe I'm missing something but 20 degree is normal and idk about a 15 degree tfs Ford head...
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
Trick flow made many different angle 20,15, and 11
@marcuscarrow3938
Жыл бұрын
I run the 11r190's on a boosted 349ci SBF and they have 11 degree intake valve angle and 13 degree exhaust
@alltherpm
Жыл бұрын
I myself never thought trickflo anything is any good, even there gaterman lifters junk, better then stock tho
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
They make really good Ford heads
@alltherpm
Жыл бұрын
@@WeingartnerRacing I'm sorry for the wrong spelling, got to love smart phones, smarter than some but dumber then the rest!
@kennyrmurray
Жыл бұрын
That’s because Small Block Chevy is the best! At least it is in my book because I worked at Chevrolet and that’s what I know. But I’m reality anything with a combustion chamber is awesome!
@kennyrmurray
Жыл бұрын
Nice job BTW
@seanbrown8269
Жыл бұрын
A lot of Ford's reverse after the convergence point, because of valve placement and port direction. Darin Morgan talks about this in one of his wetflow videos. It's not something you can do too much about because the port is just aiming the way it is. The most "direct" path for airflow changes as the valve opens. Use a velocity probe and watch what happens.
@WeingartnerRacing
Жыл бұрын
I agree but I don’t think the less valve angle and really short side help with standard port height. I can take a Tfs high port and it will flow all the way up but it’s 20degree.
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