He makes a good point. Layering scalemail over chainmail over a gambeson actually sounds like reasonably good protection.
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
The Romans thought so. They called it lorica plumata.
@vondantalingting
11 ай бұрын
@@stevenschnepp576I don't really think it was a roman who wore it though. As far as I've read, it was worn by a nomad merc who came to Britain and was station there. Meaning, the only example found might be the only example found.
@jestergodfield690
2 жыл бұрын
I like scalemail most. The idea of combining chainmail with scalemail sounds like a match made in heaven!
@hamasmillitant1
Жыл бұрын
yep, the other way to approach it is system like chinese mountain symbol scale which solves weakness in a differnt way (it makes scale behave like mail, but because its scale you can make it much thicker metal than you could ever make chainmail due to wire thickness & ring size constraints. im currently making a plated mail/scale mail breastplate very similar to the roman example in this clip actually, i hadnt seen it before but its basically exactly what im building except scale shaped a little differnt on bottom on mine
@Artemis-11235
Жыл бұрын
The Roman armour of scales integrated onto mail, lorica hamata squamatque, has an easier name - lorica plumata, a la plumage of a bird. Agree that it seems optimal for adventuring, assuming around 20 swg steel scales that have enough carbon in them to be heat-treated. -- a fellow armour nerd.
@leppeppel
Жыл бұрын
I did not know lorica hamata squamatque had another name; thanks for bringing it to my attention!
@davidquezada50
4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone noticed Roman squamata I love that armour
@mikethefarrier
4 жыл бұрын
Ive actually been kicking around the idea of adding scales to my titanium hauberk
@lupus67remus7
4 жыл бұрын
DEUS VULT INTENSIFIES
@Ryan_Winter
3 жыл бұрын
I suggest using a titanium-tungsten alloy for the scales, which has an even higher heat resistance and hardness than titanium by itself.
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
@@Ryan_Winter How is it for brittleness?
@mrducky..
2 ай бұрын
Can we all just agree that scale mail ontop of chain mail (don’t even) looks fucking awesome
@zerozeroone4424
4 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking of having Scale armor in my Fantasy RPG game. I'm currently working on the stats and generally trying to figure out where it fits, in terms of how much it actually protects you. This video has helped
@danielbrillat8793
5 жыл бұрын
Good work! Doing some RPG rules and your chain+scale comment is exactly the same idea I was thinking would be best.
@1lobster
5 жыл бұрын
This is very helpful for my fantasy writing.
@scourge213
Жыл бұрын
Very nicely explained in a clear comparison to chain and plate.
@aaronthedragonslayer1279
3 жыл бұрын
Love the quick pic of captain context. In the beginning
@Bimshwel
Жыл бұрын
Whuh I never knew that about "mail" referring specifically to chains. I would have blamed modern fantasy role playing enthusiasts but in the musical play "Camelot," Lancelot (no relation) purports that he could "climb a wall no one else can climb, cleave a dragon in record time, swim a moat in a coat of heavy iron mail" and that play debuted in 1960, supposedly 14 years before the first version of Dungeons and Dragons. it makes sense that the confusion would be older than any modern technology that romanticizes usage of the material.
@barbagianny
3 жыл бұрын
Oooh finally a confirmation of what I always supposed existed in Roman inventory Scale mail!!
@BlueOx2277
Жыл бұрын
I like this! I’d always wondered which mail was superior. Scale mail on top of chain mail seems to be the way to go- until yr opponent comes after you with a war hammer..😳
@Gainn
Жыл бұрын
Some of the newer multi-linked designs are better at absorbing impact than the one hole types. Still not as good as plate, but enough that you'd survive (even if it didn't feel too good in the morning).
@Gainn
Жыл бұрын
4-in-1 with interwoven scale is surprisingly good protection against impact. The commercial (steel) scales with one large hole at the top are OK, but we've been trialling some 'two hole, one slot' scales that lock it down a bit more. You don't lose as much flexibility as you might think, and it stiffens and almost acts like a non-Newtonian fluid when it gets hit.
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
That's pretty close to what I was thinking of doing for some SCA armor. It seems such a natural answer to the problems of plate and maille.
@CATGPlbCapacityPneumaticTireFo
2 жыл бұрын
Scale armor, depending on it's rigidity, could be referred to as scale maille for the same reason maille is referred to as maille. The term comes from the French word for "mesh" (or one of them, anyway). This is of course in reference to it's flexibility.
@Pawlok18
4 жыл бұрын
Iirc the picture you've shown depicting lamellar armour is actually a scale armour - plates aren't ties together but sewn onto the fabric. Hell, in many (if not most) sources lamellar armour is just a type of scale armour since it is made out of metal scales, just attached differently
@leppeppel
4 жыл бұрын
The picture at 2:31 is lamellar, according to the manufacturer. armstreet.com/store/armor/medieval-lamellar-stainless-steel-armor-body-suit Additionally, lamellar armour is technically armour which uses scales, yes, but when modern people (Matt, Lloyd, Skall, Shad, Dr. Capwell, etc.) talk about "scale armour," they're referring to scales sewn onto a backing. That's just what the term has come to mean. Here's a good Metatron video about the difference: kzitem.info/news/bejne/jrCVx4uasYmHqHY
@mansfieldtime
Жыл бұрын
I've heard it called "linked mail" a few times and must say that is my favorite. Though riveted mail has been used I THINK it is referring to a very specific type.
@bigwhitehound
Жыл бұрын
Very nice, TY
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
The weakness of scale armor to upward thrusts is, as a practical matter, not nearly so great as might seem.
@raggedyman2257
3 жыл бұрын
Great video; thank you for skipping for ADD meds today! Honestly, great video.
@SamahLama
4 жыл бұрын
Love scholagladitoria
@alexrosenberg5959
5 жыл бұрын
Armor over mail isn't called plate mail or scale mail or anything. If its built into mail then it's scale mail or plate mail.
@devon8438
4 жыл бұрын
This humble, but flustered armoroer thanks you
@ivanpopov2788
4 жыл бұрын
I'm making scale armour now. Amasing stuff.
@HiNinqi
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you for the clear explanations!
@charlottewalnut3118
4 жыл бұрын
You do realize the mend cantrip Makes it almost impossible to permanently damage some thing in most fantasy there’s usually some kind of spells it instantly repairs things
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
It's a rare fighter who can cast spells.
@irradix213
3 жыл бұрын
thanks, nice putting it together
@LuxisAlukard
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video!
@mandersonmatters3012
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I fail to see how it would be lighter than other armors though. Mail itself can be almost as heavy as a brigandine.
@elijahoconnell
4 жыл бұрын
If you think about it, maile is made out of a bunch of links of metal, like a chain
@AlFonso-p6p
29 күн бұрын
Thank you! It's like people are trained to complain about nothing. It's chainmail. End of story.
@0othman0
4 жыл бұрын
thank you
@cegesh1459
3 жыл бұрын
Very good video.
@hamasmillitant1
Жыл бұрын
my scale armour is being built on Japanese 4x2 chain mail backing so if you stab under it you hit mail at a angle. it actually has 3mm hard ox(grind plate) scales so it would be bullet proof to a decent calibure looks a lot like the roman lorica hamadus qoumatiqa you show actually each scale has 2 holes with 2 rings at top that link it to one ring on mail shirt under it only differnce really is mine have a bevel on bottom and dont have those little sword breaking ridges(im planning on using it for reenactment ppl wouldnt like that at all lol)
@mickvonbornemann3824
6 ай бұрын
Lorica Plumata for mail with scales attached directly to it.
@qownson4410
3 жыл бұрын
So in the Snyder Cut, is Steppenwolf wearing scalemail armor?
@MyCommentsGetGhosted
5 ай бұрын
The scale armor you show at the beginning of the video isn't really representative of what was used historically and was undoubtedly popular across Eurasia, according to historical records. Genuine scale armor has 4 holes in each scale, 2 on each side of the upper scale. The scales overlap not only vertically but horizontally, so that the 2 side holes of one scale overlap with the 2 side holes of the next horizontal scale. Some form of tie or attachment is then put through these overlapping holes and connected to the leather/fabric backing. While the scales aren't directly connected vertically, they overlap one another immensely, and due to the 2 holes on each side being vertically aligned, they stick closely to the fabric. Upward thrusts weren't that much of a problem, most likely, especially considering the posture of the warrior during combat.
@MyCommentsGetGhosted
5 ай бұрын
Also, for the variants that only have 2 holes on the scale, the holes are vertically aligned and far apart so an upward thrust wouldn't be much of a problem for that variant either.
@evanmorris1178
10 ай бұрын
It is the heaviest type of armor. NOT lighter than plate. Plate is lighter than mail-per unit area. Mail plus a layer of scales which have overlaps is something o the order of TWICE as heavy as plate.
@Ducktoez
5 ай бұрын
pierce the veil ❌ pierce the mail ✅
@Candid1ify
10 ай бұрын
Would scales have been attached to chain mail doublet ?
@BingleFlimp
4 ай бұрын
I'm convinced scale armour is more effective than we think. I believe due to a lack of interest, modern reproductions fail to properly replicate the historic reality. A bit of experimental archaeology would likely produce a varied and superior armour than what we imagine.
@AlFonso-p6p
29 күн бұрын
Well I have to imagine an integration of all 3 would be the most ideal depending on the area. Plate armor is incredibly useful as a defense with the exception of it's weakness,, the openings. Perhaps In these opened areas using scale maile would be a better armor? 🤔
@tokra8251
5 жыл бұрын
This is nah void yeue u eye .uwu
@sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688
3 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as 'scalemail.'
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
**Laughs in Latin** I refer you to lorica plumata, the scaled maille of the Romans.
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