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@briantracy1324
Жыл бұрын
Pair it with a multi channel pro amplifier (not audiophile,, a stage amp) with BIG power like Crown ....
@tallpaull9367
Жыл бұрын
The comment section is fire ! Good job man :)
@switawivr6
Жыл бұрын
@@briantracy1324 I'm close to finally getting my hands on a fine example of my dream multi-channel amp, a Sunfire Audio Cinema Grand Signature II. 425Wx5@8ohms. The Schitt unit pushing Optical from TV, USB from Streamer+NAS, and RCA split input from Phono Preamp & OPPO Player might prove to be simply Synful. Time for speaker upgrades!
@Unicorn-ST
Жыл бұрын
While I was watching to the video, I was thinking in possibilities. It’s great for using with active speakers or for combine active speakers and amp + passive ones. It’s also useful for a surround desktop system, just for enjoy music and videos or even for gaming. I am nit sure if it could get a double stereo using the front and surround, but if it does it, it could be possible also to use with two amps or an amb and active speakers or just use it for doing comparations. The crossfeed habilitó for the headphones is also a good feature.
@SistinasTube
Жыл бұрын
Dude, as long as you are not man enough to pronounce the brand name correctly, I will ignore you channel going forward. This is so annoying.
@hardtymz2517
Жыл бұрын
Wow, this is terrible. Who's this for?? It's not a decent DAC nor headphone amp, and only has optical input? Fun Fact: coax even trumps optical for higher bit rates. You can't hook this up to your computer because most of us use Hi-Rez files and this thing looks like (and due to the inputs) it does up to 16 bit 44.1hkz at best! Ew. Home theater?? You're joking right? Right?! Yea optical went out with S-Video. This product is 1993 tech at BEST. You need HDMI (why you hate on that? Dunno know what that is or something? I'm guessing since you speak so highly of this schit product. Only logical reason.) to bring it 24bit 5.1 goodness and flava! Well really 7.1 but schit-heads didn't put another pair of outputs on it for the back surrounds. Wow, makes me want to try a schit product. Also no Atmos or even Pro-Logic. What a piece of schit. (in Angry Video Game Nerd voice)
@jessieheeet
Жыл бұрын
It’s obvious that Randy is a bit bias when it comes to products from US based companies.
@JathraDH
Жыл бұрын
It has a USB input, same as my Modius. It literally plug and plays into any PC and can deliver all the bandwidth you need over USB-C. It will run 32 bit 192Khz audio. I very much doubt you need more than that and if you do you are deep in the audiophile weeds. Also, my PCs both support much higher audio rates through optical, and the DAC reads it just fine. Even the 15 year old soundcard in the old one will do something like 24 bit 192 khz over toslink. I am really not sure where you are getting your info from here at all. I do agree its not terribly useful for home theater though due to the lack of HDMI.
@michaelscalisi4316
Жыл бұрын
This had a Dolby Atmos processor, at least one HDMI input, and some height outputs, it really would be disruptive. As it is, I don't know what would do with it or who this is for.
@nathanielFalck
Жыл бұрын
Really niche market. When Marantz makes a $600 5.2 channel AVR with HDMI and the amplification built-in plus pre-outs for stereo purists, this is a very small set of people who care about TV sound quality a bit and have the knowledge to know how to set this up (and even be aware of Schiit), but who don't care about TV sound quality enough to get a proper AVR or pre-processor. I was really excited for the first 5 minutes though while I thought this might have HDMI.
@boneseyyl1060
Жыл бұрын
I don't know about disruptive, but what you describe is an AV preamp. Lots of them out there. This is more of a multi-channel preamp with equalization. Not true surround, but a good facsimile. Like he said, it's probably more for people that want to move beyond a soundbar, but don't want to mess with a receiver.
@boneseyyl1060
Жыл бұрын
@@geraldmcmullon2465 That's a good point about active speakers. This would be ideal for those, as it would tidy everything up and save you from having to scrounge up 2 or 3 separate amps. It's best use would probably be as a PC or console sound system, IMO.
@michaelscalisi4316
Жыл бұрын
@@boneseyyl1060 To avoid the overused trope "disruptive", An Atmos AV pre/processor nearly 1/3 the cost of the current lowest price alternative would change things up for a lot of people. Especially if the managed to keep it remarkably simple
@hardtymz2517
Жыл бұрын
THIS!!!! its a "surround sound processor"....yea, from 1993 at best! Without HDMI, optical ain't gonna decode good bitrates. this ain't hi-fi. it's just a flop, an AIWA boombox at best.
@seano218
Жыл бұрын
No Dolby or DTS processing of any sort... explain to me just HOW this is a home theater killer?!!!
@itsme123669
Жыл бұрын
It's click bait silly! Words don't matter.
@fascinatedbyeverything
Жыл бұрын
FWIW, Schiit gives their defense of the approach in their FAQ.
@danielbal5272
Жыл бұрын
My living room is not big enough for surround sound but this seems like an easy way to add a center channel to my TV.
@annebokma4637
Жыл бұрын
Your link to the syn goes to the rekr. At first glance I thought this was 149. Which I thought well priced, but at 400? Nope. At around that price I can but a second hand surround pre, those things don't cost anything if they don't have HDMI. Saw a proceed for just 100 more.
@ghost6813
2 ай бұрын
How would you control the volume when connecting this to a TV via optical? I would hate to need two remotes...
@MrCADuncan
Жыл бұрын
As Randy said, this product is NOT for everybody. But the idea of absolutely standards-free surround sound (yes, I know it's matrix and not discrete) - that means it can NEVER BE OBSELESCED, guys - for 400 Americanos - there IS a market for that. It might not be for you, but it sure as heck may be for me. My 10+ year old home theater Pre/Pro (that was $3K when I bought it as a bachelor with stupid discretionary income) has some issues and needs to be replaced, but 99% of our living room TV watching is my wife and child binge-watching Netflix; I do not want to spend 2 or 3 grand on a new one with every bell and whistle that supports all the standards. But this - this! - YES. Wife & kid don't care if it's Dolby Atmos, or discrete 7.1, or whatever - and frankly, at a different point in life now, I'm wondering if I really care, either. If it's functional, enjoyable surround for 99% of what they/we watch... $400 and I'm out with a winner? VERY TEMPTING.
@trevorbartram5473
Жыл бұрын
I've been looking for an HT processor (I presently use a Sony AVR) but the SYN isn't it. No HDMI ARC (or HDMI CEC). No Dolby/DTS support. No trigger outputs to the power amps. In addition, for the hard of hearing: no subwoofer crossover adjustment, no headphone output capability to delete surrounds and adjust center channel level, all to improve speech intelligibility. Truth be told, no AVR provides independent adjustment for the headphone output. There must chips available (Crystal, Sony, NXP, Analog Devices etc) for the Dolby/DTS functions. A missed opportunity!
@sirdagonet9633
Жыл бұрын
Hear, hear (no pun intended) for the hard of hearing remark... I have a good bit of high frequency loss, and need equalizer capability on my next pre/pro upgrade (from an old Outlaw). I think Emotive has one, but all the reviews I've seen of that product say their pre/pros are really challenging to work with.
@michaelwright1602
Жыл бұрын
Use a car stereo amp, and an inexpensive power supply, would be easy to set up in the house. Then you have all of your adjustments, including gain.
@trevorbartram5473
Жыл бұрын
I should design a box to attach to my Sony AVR using attenuated left & right (inc. phantom center) speaker outputs sent to a new headphone socket. Of course, I would need a switch on the box to select either speaker or headphone output. A good winter project!
@trevorbartram5473
Жыл бұрын
No box needed. I checked the schematic for my Sony STR-DH520 AVR and because I have the surround speaker level settings set to minimum level there is no appreciable surround sound in the headphone output.
@TheNemorosa
Жыл бұрын
They still have the worst brand-name in all history. What were they thinking?
@0Ninja0Dude0
Жыл бұрын
Wow! checked this thing out. read the specs and faq and I think youre on to something the fact that this could seriously be the one and done is seriously legit imo. I am so sick and tired of planned obsolescence and it's minimal design of set and forget is phenomenal in my eyes. Probably going to have to buy two of them. I don't have a lot of space to fill in my crafting room or my entertainment room so I feel like this should hit all the notes for me.
@williamnaman3570
Жыл бұрын
Coaxial optical input would be much better.
@djfirestormx
Жыл бұрын
on well glad they came out with a device that was usefull in the 90s. Welcome to 2023? Nope
@Brett1334
Жыл бұрын
I’m completely puzzled, why not be honest, why the constant praise, let’s be realistic here, this is pretty pointless, if you wanted these features you could just get a decent AVR, to use this you are going to need one anyways! Or an amp. Confusing user experience, poor remote…
@lamiemolette
Жыл бұрын
Hey Randy, love your content, but as someone who wasn't familiar with the Syn before watching this video, I found it unusually difficult to follow. You first go over the dials without much of an introduction about this (somewhat unusual) device. You then switch to the remote control, before going back to the main unit for the inputs/outputs, and it isn't until the "final thoughts" section that you give a high-level explanation of what this device is and does. I kinda struggled to make sense of everything to be honest, and believe it would have been much easier to follow in pretty much the reverse order: high-level introduction, inputs/outputs, main unit controls, remote control, and then final thoughts. Kind of a "top-down" approach so to speak. Not a huge deal, this was still very informative, just food for thought for your future videos I guess? Anyway, thanks for the review! (edit: typos)
@editorjuno
Жыл бұрын
Let's see... It costs $400 and, with exception of having a built-in DAC and headphone amp, it's nowhere near as versatile as the old Yamaha DSP-1/DSR-100Pro setup from the mid-1980s, which at least has actual Dolby (Pro-Logic, but I digress) and 6.1/7.1 capability. Hard pass!
@CinemaDemocratica
Жыл бұрын
As a long-time fan and subscriber of the channel, I have to say that this is the first video from Randy that I believe really needed another take. Specifically, he has three opportunities near the beginning to say, "Here's exactly what this thing *is*," and all three times he announces that he's about to do that, and then reverts to the usual segments in his review videos, such as "on the front." It gradually emerged why this piece is special and what it does and doesn't do, but the video was needlessly frustrating to watch. An "un-amplified home theater control center" takes, what, four or five seconds to say?
@TheRealPotoroo
Жыл бұрын
Randy needs to script his videos. When he wings it he has a habit of either getting repetitive or flat out missing key sections of whatever it is he's talking about.
@CinemaDemocratica
Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealPotoroo I love the guy but I'm also relieved that I'm not the only one who noticed that. There's a review of his that I value very highly and have watched many times -- I think it might be the Aiyima T9 -- in which he says, "I like it much better this way" or some-such, and it's not at all obvious what he's referring to.
@rianredfield5252
Жыл бұрын
He just seems more into quantity of material vs quality and accurate content from my observations. 600+ videos Not all..but some.
@CinemaDemocratica
Жыл бұрын
@@rianredfield5252 Yikes, I wouldn't go *that* far -- but I don't disagree with TRP that his videos would benefit from more detailed scripting.
@sirdagonet9633
Жыл бұрын
I'd give him a break re scripting. I think his lack thereof makes it seem more like a conversation between "friends" rather than a professional presentation... not that he's not *professional* :)
@user540000
Жыл бұрын
this thing is a rip off. My yamaha AVR was $380 5 years ago, has brown burr dacs, does all the surround formats, does actual surround not 1970s fake surround, does HDMI switching and oh by the way doesnt need a separate amp.
@brianchristopher4666
Жыл бұрын
I too thought it was an april foolery! I just can't see anyone buying this for surround. Sorry.
@abfjful
Жыл бұрын
No HDMI and dolby system is means schiit don't pay lisense. but this old tech 5.1ch product is 400$ also it's not integrated amp. almost none of cheap audio man's wouldn't buy this overpriced item.
@fascinatedbyeverything
Жыл бұрын
Before watching this video, I recommend reading the FAQ on this product on the Schiit site first. That's what I did (by accident!) and I therefore didn't have the same problem that other viewers did. I do wish Randi went into more detail about how the Presence and Width knobs impacted things....he said he could talk forever about it, and I'd like to see a longer video where he just nerds out on testing the settings and different modes.
@peterskyes1267
Жыл бұрын
Not a good video at all, this is a poor product for the price
@monrosj
Жыл бұрын
No HDMI input......nope did not destroy home theater.
@JoshFisher567
Жыл бұрын
HDMI, while needed for Atmos, has become a joke. Did you know that the geniuses that make up the HDMI specs have said HDMI 2.0 no longer exists and everything is HDMI 2.1 now? Even HDMI 1.4 can be called 2.1 now. All 2.1 specs are now optional and it's up to the manufacturer to list what 2.1 "features" it actually supports. A good example would be the Homeatics android streaming box. It claims it's HDMI 2.1 but it's 20b, which doesn't exist anymore. Also, outside 8K, 2.1 isn't needed for video, only gaming consoles. The only reason TV manufacturers are using the term 2.0 is it would cause way too much confusion and they would get way too many returns. Now, while you and me might look at all the features imagine a mother trying to buy their kid a gaming monitor then buying one that claims 2.1, then does zero 2.1 "features". Also, no rerunning long HDMI runs when the spec changes which is a huge headache. Especially if you are running cables though walls or through the ceiling/crawlspace. Yes, everything back to HDMI 1.4 supports all audio formats but if you're a gamer you need 2.1 with most, if not all the optional features for things like VRR.
@Durkhead
Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but get ready for this everything is going to usbc
@lern2swim
Жыл бұрын
@@JoshFisher567 pointing out the ridiculous convoluted stare of hdmi does not negate the fact that it's a required element of modern home theater.
@fonkenful
Жыл бұрын
I’m one of those guys happy to post an opinionated comment before watching the entire video, so maybe this is covered, but on of the most useful features of HDMI for me is the CEC control of multiple components through the eARC connection. Is that something that USB C can presently support, and how long before itself is upgraded?
@spamcan9208
Жыл бұрын
HDMI is both a complete mess and ubiquitous. It reminds me of what happened with USB 3 and the renaming of its zillion revisions. Needing a reference defeats the original purpose of these standards.
@DrGIzmoBRad
Жыл бұрын
The reason there's no vocals in the surround channels is because the surround outputs are based on the difference between the Left and Right channels (L-R and R-L). Vocals are usually placed at the center of the soundstage, thus vocals are coming out 'equally' from both the L and R channels. If the surround is derived from L-R and R-L, then center channel info will be subtracted out.
@hippo319
Жыл бұрын
Right but it's not using Dolby to separate it as he said, it's an older technology
@DaveNagy1
Жыл бұрын
@@hippo319 Wiring up a "difference channel" speaker definitely counts as an older technology: Take a stereo system, wire a third speaker to the positive (or negative) contacts of both the left and right speaker outputs. Maybe put a potentiometer inline, so you can fiddle with the third speaker's volume. Hang speaker above your couch. Play any sort of stereo content. Voila! An ambiance channel! I did it in the 80's. It'll have a bunch of reverb, some instruments, but hardly any vocals. And yes, if you played some of that new-fangled Dolby matrix-surround content through such a system, it will "decode" that as well. Sort of. But all you really need is vanilla 2-channel content.
@gabungan69
Жыл бұрын
matrix surround circuit
@ProfessorHamer
Жыл бұрын
I don’t quite understand - can this high pass the main channels to do bass management? That would surely be the most important feature for the application, otherwise I think it’s way too niche. For movie watching it’s very silly to try and extract the center channel from a downmixed stereo signal, when the multichannel output is clean. If anything I would say a much more interesting application is the reverse one: make a small signal processor that receives atmos etc, and downmixes to stereo with center channel boost capability and bass management. That would actually be practical for the masses.
@Nordraw
Жыл бұрын
Way too much work to use this. Separate amp for everything? Hard no for me. 400 bucks? I can get a nice AVR for that price that would do the job better.
@geraldmcmullon2465
Жыл бұрын
5 channel power amplifier and an active sub-woofer or powered speakers for front and rear and centre channel.
@michaelwright1602
Жыл бұрын
@@geraldmcmullon2465 Car stereo amp and an inexpensive power supply... this would be very doable and not difficult at all to set up and add to a nice two channel rig, or stand alone TV for that matter.
@Rickzolla
Жыл бұрын
I'm strictly into two channel, but I have numerous amps and eight pair of speakers. This is all I need to experiment with multi channel. I ordered one!!
@boneseyyl1060
Жыл бұрын
Multi channel can be fun too. Enjoy!
@jeffmarshall6752
Жыл бұрын
you will need a player that decodes SACD`s, 5.1multi channel, blu ray audio. Then from the player usb to the syn in usb, then rca to amps. Some Sony blu ray not all will work (cheap at goodwill) I suggest Pink Floyd Alan Parson mix in surround of dark side of the moon ! The quality of HIFI sound ! its Awesome.
@jgsburnett9532
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffmarshall6752 This thing is not really relevant to multi channel sacds because it takes a stereo only input and creates a pseudo surround system from that.
@spiroszaharakis2648
Жыл бұрын
Unless you have 5 identical speakers, this will most likely be a disaster. The minimum requirement would be 3 identical speakers in front.
@Rickzolla
Жыл бұрын
@@spiroszaharakis2648 Sorry, I don't drink the "identical speaker " Kool aid". I'll make due with what I have.
@beaverish
Жыл бұрын
This product is a solution to a problem that does not exist.
@rockroll9513
5 ай бұрын
Wrong
@namejeff7616
Ай бұрын
maybe to you, but this is literally exactly the thing i was looking for for my setup. i’ve been wanting to get a surround sound setup using my studio monitors instead of actual surround sound speakers and the syn has the rca outs i need
@Trunks0
Жыл бұрын
It's... a joke right? It's gotta be a joke.
@pastorb7469
Жыл бұрын
It kind of seems like your trying to talk yourself into liking this product. Keep it real.
@Disoriental11
Жыл бұрын
This is a joke right? A surround processor with none of the features of a surround processor! Why not just get an av receiver?
@markmorgenstern
Жыл бұрын
yup, this is a matrix thing like the old dolby stereo in film prints, or its competitor ultrastereo: yes the center channel is deduced by being in phase and in the centre, then extracted, but then so is the surround sound: it's basically everything that was encoded 180 degrees _out_ of phase. Sounds great for TV and basic movies for a wide variety of people, and the direct manual control of the centre channel level (instead of diving into a menu) is GREAT! But the surround signal is actually mono, being just the extracted out-of phase stuff. Like in the original film theatre setup, it's actually 4.1, not 5.1. All the surrounds have the same thing in them.
@michaelscalisi4316
Жыл бұрын
Just read this doesn't use any "formats". Just "matrix" processing. Save your money, if you find an early 90's prologic processor and you'll end up with something similar. They'd probably pay you to get rid of it.
@hippo319
Жыл бұрын
No HDMI, no Dolby, you need three additional amps to make this thing work (so it's far from "simple") and it's $400... I'll stick with my Yamaha AVR I think. Sorry Randy, it's a dud.
@icexe1
Жыл бұрын
Good luck figuring out what all those symbols mean if you don't have the instructions in front of you.
@cheapaudioman
Жыл бұрын
Yes. It will be extremely difficult to decipher for some people…
@MasterMark5
Жыл бұрын
Most modern recievers are much better hdmi wise, especially 2022-2023 recievers from denon/marantz. Is there still a quirk here and there sure, but unless you are running a 10 year old tv through a 8 year old reciever I don't think it's as bad as you describe
@MarkM-ys2lw
Жыл бұрын
Seems like the answer to a question no one asked.
@silkhead44
Жыл бұрын
you can get an AV 5.1 receiver for $500...why would you buy this? space?
@wolfmanjacksaid
Жыл бұрын
This is so cool. What's missing to me is a 3-channel Rekkr or GHorn. I feel like they could slowly expand their surround section. Maybe their next iteration can have an optional expansion for a 3rd channel?
@-Tholos-
Жыл бұрын
You could do a Rekkr in mono-block for the centre and then add two GHorns for left and right.
@stevenparman6761
Жыл бұрын
Seems like a waste of money. Why not just buy a amplified tuner.
@JoshFisher567
Жыл бұрын
How much does a 5.1 preamp and separate amp cost? At least over 1K up to 30K. This thing is 400 dollars. Find a good 5.1 pre processor for 400 dollars, I'll wait. While receivers have built in amps, they tend to be underpowered or skew the output numbers so much that they are meaningless. When you buy a dedicated amp, you know you're getting the power advertised because that's it's only function.
@razisn
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but judging from many of the comments below you did a bad job explaining the basics of the device.
@illyth63
Жыл бұрын
I stumbled upon the Syn on their website the other day and I was fascinated but kinda baffled by it. Thanks for explaining it. It's a little weird to need separate amps, but I guess the modular route has its advantages too. I guess powered monitors is the other option, which could be more practical for gamers too.
@JoshFisher567
Жыл бұрын
You could use one 5.1 amp, multiple amps aren't required, it's just an option. A lot of high end systems use separate amps but that's more about more power and channels than anything else. If you had 11+ channels multiple amps are usually needed. Like 7 speakers, 4 ceiling speakers. Subs obviously have their own amps so the sub output would go directly into the sub input. Most 11+ channel home theater dedicated amps cost 15K+. Dennis receiver that supports this many channels is 3K+ but that's a receiver and amp combo and supports decoding of all audio formats. The only downside to this is no decoding of things like Dolby digital and DTS IMO. It uses older matrix software that has been used in receivers for years to turn a 2 channel signal into a 5.1 like audio output signal like you would get with Dolby Digital.
@thepathnotfound
Жыл бұрын
Used powered monitors and a sub for years. Did get a very good dac/preamp with Xlr and usb / optical / analog inputs.
@illyth63
Жыл бұрын
@@JoshFisher567 is there an affordable 5.1 amp out there that has separate analog inputs for all the channels? All the ones that I've seen would replace this rather than work with it.
@tiagoneves2133
Жыл бұрын
@@illyth63 well you can use two stereo power amps, or four monoblocks or a four channel amplifier which would be the cheapest solution. You don't need an amp for the subwoofer, just the lfe out from the schiit syn itself, nobody uses passive subwoofers today anyways. Audiophonics sells the hpa-q250nc for 1090.00€ with four channels it would be a good match for the syn
@TaswcmT
Жыл бұрын
@@illyth63 Take a look at Rotel RMB-1506 (6x50W), Rotel RMB 1555 (5x120W) or Marantz MM7055 (5x140W).
@cyberbillp
Жыл бұрын
Over 5 minutes and I still have no clue what the fuck this thing is.
@cyberbillp
Жыл бұрын
After 14 minutes, I went to the web site... It's a surround sound processor. Takes inputs, spits out surround sound.
@stringsattached67
Жыл бұрын
Eh im sure it sounds good but I'll stick with my Onkyo and Yamaha HT receiver's for all my video needs and my analog separates for my music. I used to love buying new tech and hooking everything up but it seems that tech has come to a flatting out stage and nothing is really coming to the table that i cant live without. Great video BTW.
@ChillGuy2076
Жыл бұрын
Not to be a dickhead, but it kills me everytime you say "sit down, grab a cup of coffee" so I would think it would be pretty damn hard to grab a cup of coffee while you are already sitting lol. You should say "grab a cup of coffee, have a seat"...just saying 😬🙏🏻😂
@ChillGuy2076
Жыл бұрын
Oh really so you always sit down first before grabbing a coffee? That's obviously bs, everyone grabs their coffee, tea, whatever, and then sit down. Not the other way around. See how that works?
@unstablenetwork4744
Жыл бұрын
Schiit does a great job making niche products. This isn't for everybody. But if it applies to a certain situation, it'z tha Schiit.
@jocool7370
Жыл бұрын
So it's a surround-stereo processor. Why didn't you say so? 😂😂
@JesseArt
Жыл бұрын
This is almost exactly what I want. It just needs to also have at least Class D amp built in to power the main, center and rears. The sub is fine as a pre-amp output because it's easy to find fairly decent powered subs on the cheap. This is something I would love to have on my computer desk setup with a 3.1 configuration (front main, center and sub). Adding in an additional amplifier per channel makes it a no-go for the somewhat budget minded. I daily drive an SMSL SA300 DAC/Amp with a set of Bic America DV62si bookshelves and F12 subwoofer. It's not perfect, but it's excellent for what it is. The only thing I REALLY want that it doesn't have is a dedicated center channel. Is there anything on the market that is both a DAC and an amplifier, has multiple analog and digital inputs, and rocks more than 2.1 channels that isn't either a GIANT receiver or is outrageously expensive?
@Brian_Romska
Жыл бұрын
Holy schiit seriously, this looks like so much fun, there goes another argument with the wife as to why I’m spending another $400 tho, oh well thanks Randy!
@Brian_Romska
Жыл бұрын
I also love how mad some people are at this, good job schiit!!!
@michaelwright1602
Жыл бұрын
Car stereo amp baby! I have a few laying around, an inexpensive AC/DC power converter/supply, some speaker cable, maybe a couple of line out converters... I could easily add this into my two channel rig. Already have the speakers, cables and amps... I think this is damn cool! ;-)
@stonefree1911
Жыл бұрын
Yeah....I dunno...I guess.. I think it's interesting that Schiit just released two mono capable affordable amps.....this is a nice way to sell 3 or 4 of those... Not sure a huge need for this thing. Schiit is getting weird
@marzcapone9939
Жыл бұрын
IF it had XLR outputs for all the channels, it could work well with powered monitors. I wouldn't want to make long runs with RCA cables. Schiit's new small amps would be the way to go, if you wanted the Schiitiest surround sound experience. HA
@switawivr6
Жыл бұрын
I want one! I was so afraid this was some kind of April Fool gig when I first saw it the other day, lol. I have a long history of loving immersive sound formats, multi-channel music, and oddball electronics. Bob Carver's C-9 Sonic Holography unit is still a treat in 2023. I still have my first SACD/DVD-Audio player which was an Onkyo CS-V720 DVD mini shelf system. Eventually purchased an OPPO player for all my disc formats before they went out of production. These days the OPPO feeds preamp outputs direct to 5.1 channels of amplifiers for a very simple setup. So the idea of the Syn is right up my alley. In fact, my first true surround system came by using an oddball add-on component, the Yamaha DSP-E492 to a Carver stereo setup. I think the Syn was made for me!
@michaelwright1602
Жыл бұрын
Finally! Someone that gets it!
@Ginger30161
Жыл бұрын
I remember when my parents had a Sony TV that had SRS (sound retrieval system). I enjoyed the faux-surround as it really widened the sound stage.
@adamfrost9048
Жыл бұрын
To solve HDMI issues, just run HDMI connections into the TV, optical out to the surround processor, done.
@nobodynemoq
Жыл бұрын
$400 for a decoder that requires you to buy external 5.1 amplifier? That's quite expensive, actually comparable with some legit HT amplitunera. And a pure 5.1 analog amp is a rare thing. I don't get the point of this device 🤔
@baredesigns1
Жыл бұрын
Click bait title No DD/DTS, No HDMI I/Ps"Matrix Like" stereo processing and you call this the death of Home Theatre. That is so funny
@gw61
Жыл бұрын
Here’s a really niche thing that destroyed the biggest category in home audio. Uhhhhhhhhh?
@michaelscalisi4316
Жыл бұрын
How else do you get clicks for your niche product review
@cheapaudioman
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@NomadSoul76
Жыл бұрын
I actually stopped for a second to check and see if this was an April fool's video. Because apparently the product is a surround sound processor that cannot accept any surround sound signal and instead only takes stereo audio and adds fake surround sound effects to it. But it also isn't an amplifier so it can't actually drive speakers either. Except it does have a headphone amplifier which is far more powerful than it needs to be. So it takes stereo audio and makes fake surround sound out of it but the only thing it can actually drive is stereo headphones which won't even get the fake surround sound effect. Your thumbnail says it does it all? It seems to hardly do anything. I am not seeing the logic to this product. Especially when I can go out and buy a surround sound amp for the same price which can actually process surround sound data streams and then amplify the sound and drive speakers with it.
@lehsu
Жыл бұрын
I can use this, but too expensive. Remember I still have to purchase the separate amps. May buy if this was $100 less.
@redstang5150
Жыл бұрын
Get back to me when it has an HDMI input. THEN it will have destroyed HT.
@yourdiytechlife
Жыл бұрын
Hmmmm, Interesting product but it feels like going backward 25 years. I owned several similar products back when I was running all separates and I was never very satisfied with the results. I finally gave up on the interim products and went to a full AVR for movies. it was a much better experience. Now I run a dedicated vintage stereo and a dedicated AVR for video. At first I was thinking this might work for a PC based sound system but even then, all the analogue connections and amps you have to run to make it all work would not be optimal. The one i've always had is a pre amp with dolby - whatever built in and with the capacity to be upgraded to the latest processing and # of channels with plug in boards. that way I could invest in nice amps and keep them when I upgrade the processor. I know that's not what Schiit is all about but its always been a wish of mine.
@geraldmcmullon2465
Жыл бұрын
If you can go with separate systems you can pick the best for your case fairly easily. Lots of choices and fewer of the issues. If you have barely room for 5.1 but still want decent stereo music you are not going to find it easy. I used a USB sound card into active analogue speakers. Windows provides some control to balance levels between the speakers but I have remote control over four of them so balance them to the centre and adjust the sub-woofer to match. Most of the video material I have is stereo but more often movies are 6 channel. So far I don't need Dolby Atmos etc or 8k as I don't have any in that format. The choice for analogue active speakers is limited as manufacturers have moved to DPS, wireless and that introduces latency and other issues meaning you have to adopt their way of set up with convertor boxes and pre-amps etc with more complex components to break down.
@ryans1129
Жыл бұрын
The ability to switch from 2 channel music listening to multi channel video watching without having to physically change out my vintage gear is brilliant. This makes so much sense for us that mostly listen to music but occasionally want to watch a movie. Just the addition of the center channel and sub feature sold me on this.
@klewja
Жыл бұрын
you could also just use an integrated or pre with home theater bypass
@onibon1990
Жыл бұрын
Bit of an audio noob but does this mean I can attach this to my stereo amp and then attach some surround speakers to it without investing in a separate multi-channel amp?
@ryans1129
Жыл бұрын
@@onibon1990 you'll be able to use your existing stereo amp for your main speakers. You will need to add additional amps for you center, surround and sub channels.
@geraldmcmullon2465
Жыл бұрын
@@onibon1990 It means you can replace your stereo amp but need powered, active or a power amp to passive speakers as it passes line level output to 6 channels. e.g. the front speakers could be run from your existing amp connected to an aux or tape input with rears, centre and sub being active speakers.
@editorjuno
Жыл бұрын
Aside from the DAC and headphone amp, Yamaha had all that and much more -- including actual, licensed Dolby decoding -- back in the 1980s .
@SasanCooper
Жыл бұрын
What stops this from replacing a bulk av receiver? Can it do dolby surround decoding or my TV can probably do that already.
@jgsburnett9532
Жыл бұрын
It takes a stereo output from your TV and creates an artificial surround mix. Your bulky AV takes multiple channels decoded from dolby etc and allows you to individually tweak each channel to your optimum sound taking in to account room acoustics etc. It is a very different animal to an AV receiver but a very simple way to achieve 5 channels of sound from a pcm or analogue stereo source.
@aegisofhonor
Жыл бұрын
$400 is quite a lot for a bare bones pre-amp like this. There's only a very small number of inputs and no HDMI. I'm a little sus on who this is for when you can just get a fairly inexpensive AV receiver like the Yamaha RX-V4A or the Denon AVR-S660H for around $500 and get way more features and good amplification for a fraction of the price.
@cartilagehead
Жыл бұрын
I wish it came in the classic silver finish. Not a fan of this recent trend of only releasing new products in black
@calpurnius1966
3 ай бұрын
how do you wire in the center channel and sub woofer with only one pair of terminals on the back?
@Twosevenboy1
Ай бұрын
I instantly sent mine back . construction sucks they cant even align usb c brackets . Headphone amp was utter garbage might as well not bother including and make the other features better . Also The kept 15% restocking fee and shipping [aid both ways on me to realize in 1 hour the unit was inadequate garbage DONT BUY THIS THING ! save your money youll be way happier with something else dont listen to the hype on this product it DOES NOT DELIVER !!
@kadajawi6567
Жыл бұрын
I think this might be the dumbest bit of audio equipment I've ever seen. And that includes audiophile grade network switches and those little stands for cables. So, I am supposed to use this while gaming? If I'm gaming and surround matters, then I need to hear what ACTUALLY comes from behind. Not some fake audio. If I'm going through the trouble to get surround speakers... adding something that actually is capable of decoding the audio makes sense too. If I'm too worried about an AVR not being good enough at processing the audio and thus altering the sound... this thing goes much further to change the audio. If I'm listening to stereo music... that's what I want to hear. Stereo. The real channels are supposed to STFU. If I'm listening to a surround source, I'd much rather hear what was intended to be heard, rather than some fake stuff. It's like saying a DVD upscaled to 4K is better than watching the 4K stream / UHD Blu Ray. And really, standards being the issue? How long have standards remained? I'm still using a 12 year old AVR, which only does AC3 and DTS. There's no HDMI. We have moved on from that. And? It works. I can still watch surround movies, my NVIDIA Shield TV does the conversion from Dolby Atmos to AC3, a HDMI splitter extracts the signal. An old HDMI based AVR will also do just fine, unless you absolutely must use HFR 4K signals... and even then, you can probably just use ARC / eARC. Either the folks at Schiit have just that in their brains or they don't want to admit they can't develop something decent. There are a couple of other manufacturers that do pre-amps that do proper surround decoding at a similar-ish price tag. Are they maybe not quite as good sounding? Perhaps, but they actually do little to alter the sound. If this thing did decode the modern formats and have one HDMI input (ARC), I'd have bought it right away at twice the price tag. But the way it is now, I hope it's an april fools joke.
@bigmike5785
Жыл бұрын
I thought Steve Guttenberg brought this product up yesterday as an April fools joke.
@thewaygokid3135
Жыл бұрын
I’m more interested in just mains and a center when watching TV and just mains for music. If this would do the trick I would buy one.
@tdave1234
Жыл бұрын
That's exactly the setup we use. We're very happy with it.
@thegamingeconomist3831
Жыл бұрын
Watched three and a half minutes before leaving because he failed to tell us what this thing is.
@MONKE12388
Жыл бұрын
Just bought this from your recommendation...thanks for the assist...
@7777dblack
Жыл бұрын
I agree with comments that it would need HDMI (video switching) to be truly useful.
@r.debats8784
Жыл бұрын
Great video, the Syn makes so much sense for Audiophiles, who like to watch Netflix series too in good quality, without the constantly changing surround formats. Just ordered one to use this as a pre-amp for the Vidar and will indeed use a Ayima A07 for the center as a FINALLY 3.0 front system. THANKS RANDY
@kadajawi6567
Жыл бұрын
Why? The surround sound that comes from this won't even come close to actual surround sound. I thought audiophiles are about playing back what was recorded? This is playing back something that has nothing at all to do with what was recorded. Constantly changing surround formats?! I'm currently using an AVR that only does AC3 and DTS... formats that have been obsolete for a decade now? It still works. And I get actual surround sound. And if the device supported Dolby Atmos, what else is there supposed to come? Atmos was introduced 2014 and is the standard until now, and will probably remain so for the foreseable future. And even when something better should come around, you'll be able to use it.
@mfarmarco
Жыл бұрын
I won't by anything that loses functions without the remote.
@David_Best
Жыл бұрын
Assume your video source is an AppleTV box (not an unreasonable assumption IMO). Apple TV box only has HDMI outputs. So, without an HDMI input, how would you connect the video source to this thing? I'm confused.
@geraldmcmullon2465
Жыл бұрын
toslink from television but only stereo not 5.1. With USB input it is more aimed at computer or games console as source than steaming boxes connected to a TV. It can also be used without the need for HDMI eARC.
@David_Best
Жыл бұрын
@@geraldmcmullon2465 is your name Randy?
@lsaideOK
Жыл бұрын
Did they give this to you?
@krunkinstein
6 ай бұрын
I just got the Syn and cobbled together a Frankenstein system of powered speakers and I love this thing. I just put on a movie/show, twist a couple knobs, and eventually it gets to a sweet spot. I’m watching The Thing right now and the kennel scene sounded great. When they’re in the hallway the sound of the dogs barking was in the surrounds while the dialogue was nice and centered. It just… works man idk. I’ll always be stereo for ‘serious’ listening, but music on this thing is just plain fun too. super immersive. It’s definitely niche, but if this thing ‘speaks to you’ in any way I say go for it. I’m running a living room/listening room with a PS5, record player, and a HTPC, so the inputs were perfect for me. Do you have some extra speakers? Here’s a way you can still use them. Who cares if they match, you’re gonna EQ em on the Syn anyways. Just enjoy yourself.
@rajendrabiswas
4 ай бұрын
how does this compare to dolby atmosphere ?
@krunkinstein
4 ай бұрын
@@rajendrabiswas I have 0 idea
@AlphaMachina
Жыл бұрын
This is what I've been looking for. I'm running powered monitors on each channel, so no need for amps. It's perfect.
@dcho4791
Жыл бұрын
Syn has an 80Hz low pass sub out. There isn't any high pass for the mains.
@jim010109
Жыл бұрын
Looks like it would be a great Preamp. The new intros are cool. The drone from Oblivion , thats a good one.
@jasonmt6314
Жыл бұрын
I am excited about this. Been dealing with a buggy Emotiva RMC-1L. Never again.
@JustinBell1
Жыл бұрын
final thoughts are almost half the video... wtf
@tylerfike9315
Жыл бұрын
Cool product. I've been lamenting for years that there was not a small form factor, 3-5 channel receiver/pre-pro. I ended up ditching my 3.0 living room setup with an old receiver for a pair of The Fives about 2 years ago. While I enjoy them, I had always wondered about a way to add a center channel speaker I have laying around, and this could be it.
@mxc0bbn
Жыл бұрын
I just have one question: What...does...it...do?
@theprisonier
Жыл бұрын
Not really
@Alpha-1111
Жыл бұрын
Useless Schitt
@erictheblue7256
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the head's up about the Syn Randy. Very Interesting: I had the idea to try a external surround processor with my two channel rig for ambiance extraction on my live CDs. I tried this a few weeks ago using an old Audiosource Model 3 processor and the surround effect wasn't very good. Given the unit was likely ~ 30 years old or so who knows if it worked properly. I've heard ambiance extraction done right on a Theta Casablanca prepro years ago and the effect was amazing on live content from any source (including live FM radio concert broadcasts). It was like being at the live event sonically. I trust Schiit a lot more than Audiosource for high fidelity, so I'm definitely going to give the Syn a try.
@RenRenification
Жыл бұрын
No hdmi, no buy.
@sage11x
Ай бұрын
This is a fairly useless product that is more than a bit ambiguous about what it actually IS and this review does nothing to help. This IS, in essence, a proprietary surround sound ‘upmixer’. It is equivalent to the now ancient Dolby Surround format. Not even the Dolby Pro Logic format as that actually used a decoder to extrapolate the surround channels. It takes a stereo signal and sends certain frequencies to the rear and center channels. To be clear, this predates the now ancient discreet audio formats like vanilla Dolby Digital and DTs. That’s right: it’s not discreet, it’s not lossless and it’s not even full range to each of your speakers. I get the frustration with modern home theater. I had upgraded to Atmos last year and the whole process was such a… as the British say: FAFF… that I ended up, a year later, pulling it all out and going back to Dolby Digital (technically TrueHD). Thank god atmos requires a truehd fallback. I also understand the frustration with the never ending march of evolving HDMI standards that makes a product you seemingly just bought obsolete. But to be clear: this product solves NONE of those problems. It simply sidesteps them by not participating. Which might almost be fun if it weren’t $400! Buy yourself a BASIC 5.1 AVR. Hell, find a used Dolby pro logic receiver at a garage sale. But Nanners, I hear you say, I want to use this as a preamp for my $1000 stack of mono blocks. Then buy an actual pre-pro you absolute nub. Or buy an AVR that has preamp outs. I have a Yamaha DD receiver here from the early aughts that has rca outs for all 6 discreet channels and a bank of both toslink and coax inputs- and that at least has a screen on it so you can tell what source you’ve selected and where your volume is at.
@StellarAudyssey
Жыл бұрын
Have we travelled back to the 90’s?
@anonimushbosh
Ай бұрын
So it’s for mimicking surround from analogue sources & TVs via separate DACs for people fed up with lousy AVR DACs and who might want to experiment with more immersive ‘two channel’ for music.
@BryanRuby
Жыл бұрын
I have a room where surround speakers aren't really possible. I'd be curious how this thing sounds with everything front-presence whether that be 3 channel (LCR) or 5 channel with the LCR + 2 Surrounds right up front? I suspect if this is to convert 2-channel into surround sound...most people that currently have a 2 channel setup are like that for similar reasons (an entire theater setup isn't feasible whether it be vintage equipment or the room).
@dagnahbbet8292
Жыл бұрын
Pair it with the five channel Emotiva amp?
@michaelwright1602
Жыл бұрын
If you have one, yes.
@senorsanchez4579
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Did you get a chance to try the width/presence adjustments on headphones?
@m4nc1n1
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is definitely not for Home Theater. This reminds me of the old stereophonic receivers with 4 channels back in the day. It is a play on that with a center and a sub. Definitely for music (like the four Sony SS-CS5s I got, lol)
@hardtymz2517
Жыл бұрын
yea, this is 30 years BACKWARDS. what a lame, non-useful of an ordeal product.
@peterskyes1267
Жыл бұрын
Your spot on, its crap to not put to fine a point on it
@eeyorebill04
Жыл бұрын
Quadrophonic
@Ginger30161
Жыл бұрын
the 5 knobs look like a middle finger
@MrWslindsay
3 ай бұрын
I have an old adcom gfa 7000 that will pair right up to this. Im done with the avr chase myself and more of a music person now. Can't wait to try it out. Just wish it had some sort of primitive bass management for the rest of the channels. Update : It works great for my purpose! Small 5.0 set up. May add a sub next. Maybe not. The two volume knobs for the center and rear channels simplify easy set up. And then you tailor the sound with the other two. I had a multichannel amp to use so it worked out. Didn't want to spend $1100 on the Emotiva a just yet. No regrets. Schiit just makes gadgets that work.
@racecrashrepeat
Жыл бұрын
WOW!!!.. Trinnov must be shaking in their boots. LOL....DESTROYED... Really?? its just a basic preamp with classic matrixing and multichannel volume control.
@stonep11
Жыл бұрын
I think the idea is cool. If you have some super expensive speakers and changing with the times and tech just isn’t your thing. This is a cool, simple receiver substitute. Unfortunately, given you also likely HAVE a dedicated receiver, I don’t see what it really does different. Also, I understand that you can buy an optical converter for HDMI and it helps with backwards and forwards compatibility, but it sort of makes this a headache right off the bat. I’m just not sure exactly who would want this. If anything, it seems best suited for like a home office that you also like to listen to music in. That’s about the only use case that makes sense to me.
@rhorto01
Жыл бұрын
For a while I thought this product was just an April Fool's bit.
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