Those tire sounds are so nostalgic from my bus rides home from school.
@matrixvision14
Жыл бұрын
I love how yall covered the IC logo like nobody would be able to tell what it is
@itzryan_1
3 ай бұрын
fr there idiots
@anthonywyman9126
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe do a fair comparison of a Brand New 6.7 Cummins powered Vision vs a Gas Powered Vision. Also, try them with the weight of kids. Let's also disclose longevity, initial cost, and efficiency.
@charlesrodriguez7984
2 жыл бұрын
Or even a 6.7l Cummins CE vs a Cummins vision and C2. Then do all three in gas and propane engines with a simulated weight of kids on a bus.
@seanmckay3392
2 жыл бұрын
cummins are just better in general they sound better and don't run on stupid propane
@misters2837
Жыл бұрын
I have a friend who owns a Fleet of Medium Duty Trucks...None are Propane...He has 7.3L Gasoline and 6.7 Cummins...The Newer Cummins trucks are not getting the longevity 500-700K that his older 6.7 Pre-DEF (Pre-Stupidity) trucks were getting, in fact HALF of that is a "Good Engine" most only make it 200K before needing a major overhaul and considering the cost of engine replacement and emissions equipment costs...The gasoline is kicking the crap out of the DEF trucks in Purchase Price, Maint, and Fuel... Its not Y2K anymore....All the advantages diesels had 20+ years ago are pretty much gone.
@Bomo7
Жыл бұрын
The 8.9L L9 or 8.3L ISC are much better, they handle the DEF better and we have some with well over 200k that are still performing great
@mypronouniswtf5559
11 ай бұрын
Propane last long if not longer than Diesels....In my area in the 1980's and 1990's Taxi fleets got 1,000,000 miles with Chevrolet Impala propane powered taxi's and Dodge Diplomat propane powered taxi's! Propane runs/burns clean and ensures the engines to last forever...
@holmeslynch8682
2 жыл бұрын
Diesel engines tend to last much longer, despite the acceleration difference. Because school bus driving is more about safety than speed, I’d choose a diesel every time.
@charlesrodriguez7984
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Because of their weight, buses can’t accelerate extremely fast unless they had 1000 horsepower which isn’t necessary. Torque is more important which is why diesel wins in school buses.
@seanthe100
Жыл бұрын
It honestly depends on the districts in my local area some districts are already retiring 2016s in 2023
@daha3074
23 күн бұрын
Good point.
@justanotheraviator2357
Жыл бұрын
As a driver of a Bluebird Vision on propane it's a beast and never have I ever needed more power for climbing a hill or getting to speed. It's a great bus
@dragonbutt
2 жыл бұрын
The sound of that godzilla motor though. Its just lovely.
@tomaskennedy1936
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the day buses were more fast with manual transmission
@dustinlanphear422
2 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing from a few school bus drivers that the manual transmission buses were more powerful
@ashleydemoss4609
Жыл бұрын
It's true!
@seanthe100
Жыл бұрын
@@dustinlanphear422 having a different transmission doesn't change power. The real reason is earlier automatics were inferior to manuals performance wise, but modern automatics are all about efficiency hence why they perform the way they do.
@Reese-Tube
2 жыл бұрын
The Maxxforce 7 is not even made anymore, you should’ve used the Cummins in both buses, atleast it would be fair.
@charlesrodriguez7984
2 жыл бұрын
The Maxxforce 7 also can make up to 300 hp and 400ftlb torque they had a lower hp engine. Also the DT and Cummins is much more powerful.
@ovfd380
2 жыл бұрын
Big reason why we went to a few new gas powered 6.8l visions over diesel and the competitors busses. We got some seat time in all of them and instantly knew we wanted the gas powered visions
@Eggman1934
2 жыл бұрын
My 2020 Vision is only getting 4mpg. I miss the fuel mileage of my Cummins diesel vision.
@unorthodoxridez
2 жыл бұрын
The EPA doesn't care about fuel economy they only care about what comes out of the tailpipe
@ProjectKneepads
2 жыл бұрын
Look. Godzilla is great. High quality engine. But, when it gets down to driving, route or highway, I'll take an IC CE over the bird any day. I had one with the MaxxForce DT for my route, which is not the best engine out there, but it was a high quality bus to drive. I don't know what it is with the recent Blue Birds, but I just didn't like them. It's sad, actually. When I was a kid, Blue Bird was my jam. Loved them! (Still do! I would take a TC2000 over the IC any day). If Blue Bird built the TC2000 again, exactly as they did before, I'd be the first on their doorstep. I can't put a finger on it; there's just something ... off ... with the new ones.
@jessegloverjr.5890
2 жыл бұрын
They'll never race those BlueBird Visions with Thomas C2s. The Cummins ISB 6.7L (Diesel) and the DriveForce 8.8L (Propane) will smoke all those buses; especially the propane lol
@theionltholypwerson
2 жыл бұрын
In the many districts I was in C2s are extremely low quality there cheap, especially in the winter you can not even go up an hill. Some districts may have the new ones but I honestly dislike the C2. Blue bird and IC are the busses for me.
@jessegloverjr.5890
2 жыл бұрын
@@theionltholypwerson Some of our CEs have “older” Cummins in them… so when you’re going up a slight incline at times, it’ll struggle. Our new CEs are stupid powerful and quick. You could probably get an excessive acceleration citation with one of those. I’ve never driven a C2, but I’ve rote them a lot and they’re always quick.
@charlesrodriguez7984
2 жыл бұрын
@@jessegloverjr.5890 the 2022 Cummins CEs seem to accelerate much faster now compared to the 2016’s Cummins isB yet they have the same Cummins engine. Weird
@jessegloverjr.5890
2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesrodriguez7984 I’m not sure, but I think Cummins update their engines yearly, so there would be a newer/updated/better engines in newer buses!
@Reese-Tube
8 ай бұрын
they'll never race again because Blue Bird paid them once
@jerrylee7801
2 жыл бұрын
That bluebird vision 7.3 Godzilla v8 took the 8.8l engine
@allentoyokawa9068
2 ай бұрын
More HP
@timl2779
2 жыл бұрын
But take the gas powered vs diesel up a hill and see those results.
@xzotic2352
2 ай бұрын
I’m 2 years late, but a gasoline Bluebird and Propane Bluebird climbs hills just fine. That’s not a problem at all. I heard the gas Ic Ce does horrible at climbing hills. It solely depends on the bus and engine.
@BushPigADV
2 жыл бұрын
Change the shift points in the ECU for better acceleration ;)
@EmperorNefarious1
2 жыл бұрын
They say merging onto the highway and crossing traffic, but this test is useless for that since on ramps aren't flat, downhill is easy to make with any bus while uphill you need the torque. You also never start an on ramp at a dead stop, usually you start at 15-20 mph. And for crossing traffic roads aren't flat and as a school bus driver you can just wait for an opening that works well enough.
@danieltaylor4819
2 жыл бұрын
I believe the late 60's , early 70's Chevy, IH, Ford, busses with the big blocks and 5 speeds would have smoked most of these.
@raisagorbachov
2 жыл бұрын
Uphill is where the diesel will shine. I drive a diesel schoolbus and uphill it will leave gas/propane powered vehicles behind. This is where the vehicles are... Gas/Propane - low MPG and limited range Diesel - higher MPG and best range Electric - 100 mile range max. Utterly useless for my daily 240 mile schoolbus runs.
@seanthe100
8 ай бұрын
What are you smoking? Diesels are wore uphill
@FavoritegamesareBS
6 ай бұрын
@@seanthe100 no fr
@chrisreynolds6520
2 ай бұрын
The 8.8L will live 2x as long. It is based on the GM 8100 and built substantially stronger than the GM engine. I have worked on numerous 8100s with 500K or more miles in Kodiak wreckers, buses and RVs
@devenrey6500
Жыл бұрын
Blue Bird Vision Gasoline is the best
@joesilvasr9733
2 жыл бұрын
BRILLIANT idea.
@kaiyoshi2243
7 ай бұрын
Ask any bus driver that drove back in the 80's and 90's when gas and diesel buses both populated the fleet. And everyone would tell you the gas buses had more "Git up and Go" power than the diesels. However, the diesel got double the fuel economy. 5mpg vs 10mpg.
@Jamerionrails2
2 ай бұрын
That's that 7.3
@Freeontheland2030
8 ай бұрын
lol, gear ratios, final drive ratios ? Longevity, performance under load and in cold weather? This testing is virtually useless for real world conditions.
@garyp3008
29 күн бұрын
Put the same powertrain in the same model of bus with the same rear axle ratios and anything else that may be a variable then we'd have a real comparison.
@QEElevators
12 күн бұрын
You're comparing a brand new bus with an older diesel bus.. this is so obviously a bluebird promotion. Make it a fair competition.
@Kylersmith365
Жыл бұрын
why didnt they test diesel =vs. diesel
@ikeb3146
2 жыл бұрын
Of course these buses were empty. Put a bunch of kids in them and see if the results are still the same. That aside, the IC is so much more driver friendly than the Bluebird and that’s what matters to me.
@seanthe100
8 ай бұрын
The diesel is even worse fully loaded, mine would be full and struggle getting up even a little incline
@rudyu2767
Ай бұрын
You will probably have to change those engines every hundred thousand miles. The diesel engines will easily go over 300,000.
@jeremiahsatterlee3940
2 жыл бұрын
Bluebird is just in generally better than IC
@Reese-Tube
8 ай бұрын
yes, engine power over comfort and reliability
@Jamerionrails2
6 ай бұрын
Atlanta public schools
@Jamerionrails2
6 ай бұрын
We got these types of school bus my bus called 21-012 propane bus
@krystalstackhouse4134
Ай бұрын
i wanna see a transit bus vs the godzilla bus cummins L9/allison b400R6 gen v vis the godzilla and for old school purposes a detroit diesel series 50G 8.5l/allison b400R5
@markryl-kuchar2373
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know what the output is of my schools Thomas c2’s with the 6.7 Cummins but I have been able to get a 0-60 empty at 30 seconds, idk the distance, but I’ve never felt like that was any more unsafe than when I was in elementary school riding in a Thomas Chevrolet bus with the 8.2 n/a fuel pincher
@smorris281
Жыл бұрын
First point, they had no trouble saying Blue Bird Vision, but for some reason, never once heard them say IC Bus. Sounds bias to me. Second point, when you are dealing with school buses packed with kids, the one word you never want to hear is fast. In fact, a lot of states require school buses to have governors that limit speeds to 55MPS, even on highways.
@askrickeyadventures7306
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 350 gas stock block corvette heads with 57cc chamber 194. 150 valves stage 3 comp cam long tube headers dual plain intake 500 cfm gm Marine 2barrel carb 5 speed manual trans 410 gear 2speed rear 10mpg pulling power on the hills and I have been 80 mph with a lot of rpms left. I only drive 60mph to get gas mileage. I travel a lot 7 events a year to tiny house festivals and skoolie swarm. My bus is a 1973 chevrolet 32 foot long towing a 1929 ford rat rod. Complete handicap bus hand controls to drive 2 wheelchair lifts one is to get to the roof deck. I even have a slideout in my living room a full kitchen a full bathroom and bedroom. I have a 6 foot shop in the back with air compressor welder drill press bench grinder and a lot of hand tools air tools cordless tools electric tools I can do anything on the road to repair it. It has a airbrush paint job solor and generator awning a lot more. I'm about gas mileage and power to pull hills. You can go on my Facebook to see pictures. Hope i didn't bore you
@Jamerionrails2
2 ай бұрын
3:07
@Derelictdumpburnouts
2 жыл бұрын
Well your comparing two different brands so yeah it’s gonna be different.
@Pa_school_bus_enthusiast
2 жыл бұрын
only if it was diesel
@cameronbennett-ferland4361
2 жыл бұрын
This is very useful consumer information
@schoolbusguru3157
2 жыл бұрын
If a Thomas c2 was there it would of beat both of them diesel or Godzilla
@ChrisIsTasha
2 жыл бұрын
Y'all need to drive my new BB gas powered. Our fleet took possession of five new BB gasoline powered buses this year, all the same. Mine is NOT like the others. It is not nearly as quick as the others and it refuses to go as fast as the others. None are governed and yet mine won't go the speed it should even if it was governed. It drives totally like the BB diesels we have in the fleet.
@justnvme2000
2 жыл бұрын
Why not D to D
@BobGilbey
2 жыл бұрын
You should compare with electric
@beanapprentice1687
2 жыл бұрын
Pff… there will be no comparison.
@clappgen5.949
Жыл бұрын
if you would actually give the diesel some throttle it would have done alot better.
@JohnBarclayHS
Жыл бұрын
Why compare it to an ic ce???
@CDTILL1471
2 жыл бұрын
Put my kids on a Bluebird please!!
@smorris281
Жыл бұрын
Why?
@steveperuski5547
9 ай бұрын
Holy crap that’s a lot of glue on that dragstrip. Damn.
@JMALC575
7 ай бұрын
have fun
@paiddj3397
5 ай бұрын
WITH NO LOAD?? My bus handled totally different with 88 students on board.
@DeadChan67
Жыл бұрын
Cummins CE could smoke TF out of both those buses XD
@BobGilbey
2 жыл бұрын
My Thomas EFX with a diesel Cummins engine is faster than that!
@HibuddyluddyD
Жыл бұрын
That’s the exact same torqe in a Lamborghini huracan sto
@hippyhillbillie2958
5 ай бұрын
Talk about a stupid video. I've driven school buses for 40 years. This video was slanted in favor of the crappy Blue Bird Vision. I miss the 2017 IC I drove, stuck with a 2020 Blue Turd Vision. Both have Cummins in them. I would take the IC back in a heartbeat.
@jeffdumpster1470
Жыл бұрын
wish you had an electric
@jerrylee7801
2 жыл бұрын
That bluebird vision 7.3 Godzilla v8 took the 8.8l engine
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