Erwin Schulhoff's “In Futurum” from his Fünf Pittoresken predates Cage's 4'33" by some 33 years
@uranrising
9 жыл бұрын
And 22 years behind a funeral march by Alphonse Allais
@DGrieux
6 жыл бұрын
Next time please also cite the source. https :/ / plato DOT stanford.edu/entries/music/#WhatMusi
@chuparipaguitar
3 жыл бұрын
@Stanley Maximus it looks evil
@adigozelov-enjoyer
2 жыл бұрын
@@uranrising I'd say it's much better than both, since he did something on the score, something interesting for the performer
@tchaivorakfauresohnsieg9532
Жыл бұрын
Were you reading that philosophy of music article from Stanford website
@pedroa.cantero9449
9 жыл бұрын
No somos pocos en reconocer el talento de Schulhoff, razón de más para insistir en su genialidad híbrida y esperar que un día podamos rendirle el homenaje que se merece en el paraje donde está enterrado -que al parecer tiene cierto encanto, pese al lastre patético de haber sido lugar de confinamiento. Esta es otra pieza que lo muestra. Si el comienzo es un foxtrot desenfadado (le encantaba bailar los ritmos a la moda con amigas, camareras o…), le sigue un ragtime y como tercer movimiento un gran silencio anotado como tal “In futurum” (1:39m), para terminar con esa larga danza de la machicha o maxixe. Vale la pena escucharlo y medir la pauta del silencio como un signo, amén de atrevido, premonitorio. Tras el silencio, la liberación gozosa. ¡Gracias Georges, te debo otra! Una de tantas. [1]La machicha -maxixe, matchiche o mattchiche”-, nace en Rio de Janeiro hacia el año 1868, al mismo tiempo que se desarrolla el tango en Argentina y Uruguay. Danza afrobrasileña derivada de la batuca, toma el nombre de una ciudad del sur de Mozambique, de donde provenían muchos de los esclavos que la bailaban. Contó con compositores como Ernesto Nazareth, Pixinguinha o Pattapio Silva, mas la mayor compositora de maxixes fue Chiquinha Gozaga. En Francia fue célebre gracias a la canción La Matchiche que cantara Félix Mayol hacia 1905. Queneau la inmortaliza en una versión de la fábula de La Fontaine, La fourmi et la cigale : « (...) eh dit-elle point n'est la saison/ des sports alpinistes/ (vous ne vous êtes pas fait mal j'espère ?)/ et maintenant dansons dansons/ une bourrée ou la matchiche ».
Irrational Meters in 1919! Take that Henry Cowell, Brian Ferneyhough AND Thomas Ades! :P
@hurlim
9 жыл бұрын
encore un musicien génial qu'on a asassiné pendant la derniere guerre . Sa musique est tout simplement magnifique !
@1jourviendra
7 жыл бұрын
thank you for posting Schulhoff music!!! And thank you for this version! Amazing pianist!
@le_jaivan
6 жыл бұрын
Great Music in this vídeo. Even the third mouvement (silence is music too). Everybody only talks about the quiet third mouvement in commentaries. This is how the world is.
@pers0na47
6 жыл бұрын
Has anyone played in futurum as actual notes instead of rests to see what it would sound like?
@torterrakart7249
6 жыл бұрын
8:53 sounds like John Cage
@MrDSCH-ib2mx
8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if John Cage knew the 3rd movement.
@Whatismusic123
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if john cage knew he was completely incapable of understanding music.
@MrDSCH-ib2mx
2 жыл бұрын
@@Whatismusic123 And what do you mean by this?
@Whatismusic123
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDSCH-ib2mx exactly what I wrote.
@segmentsAndCurves
Жыл бұрын
@@MrDSCH-ib2mx somebody just really dont like cage I guess
@tsarbee3769
8 жыл бұрын
why isn't Schulhoff better known?....
@jonaskatona7136
8 жыл бұрын
He was from a German-Jewish family living in Czechoslovakia, so for that reason, his works were not only oppressed (actually, blacklisted) by the Nazi regime, but also because of his growing Communist sympathies. He tried to move to the Soviet Union, but he was arrested and sent to the Wülzburg concentration camp before he could, and he died there in 1942. Very sad :(
@Tetsugakusha75
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonaskatona7136 A Jewish Communist gay avantgarde musician. Not exactly what the Nazis liked.
@adigozelov-enjoyer
2 жыл бұрын
Likely because of Nazi intervention
@Whatismusic123
2 жыл бұрын
Because he is incompetent at creating coherent pieces lasting longer than 10 seconds.
@Whatismusic123
2 жыл бұрын
0:28 is where this piece falters and becomes a stylistic mess.
@aidanf8632
7 жыл бұрын
4:50 sounds a bit similar to Debussy
@simeonwestbrooke6581
8 жыл бұрын
Such excellent playing, BUT in #5 why does she ruin every syncopation by slowing down? If Schulhoff bothered to write a syncopation, why not play it? By slowing down it destroys the whole feeling of a syncopation. Can't understand it, especially when so much of the other playing is so superb.
@achillepicchi2590
8 жыл бұрын
The problem is, first place, this is really NOT a maxixe (and I am brazilian enough to say). So...
@aidanf8632
7 жыл бұрын
4th and 5th are my favorite movements
@alessandropelizzoli6613
4 жыл бұрын
Executed without rhythm, without that strong and corrosive sound that is required by this type of Music, that was similar to real jazz but had a sad ironic character, that was its most important aspect.
@simonalbrecht9435
11 ай бұрын
Softer, singing sound and flexible meter are perfectly normal for the pianistic tradition that Schulhoff grew up with, and I think it makes perfect sense to play these pieces not with what we now perceive as necessary for performing jazz, but with a mixture of stylistic elements. I think it's done very tastefully and sensibly here.
@cakexbake
5 жыл бұрын
8:20 was a really slow page turn, should have been faster...?
@Octavestorm
5 жыл бұрын
I think I counted the measures and divided the time so each measure was equal length
@DrahomiraBiligova
2 жыл бұрын
Genio !!!
@boriszatta8385
11 жыл бұрын
Only John Cage could listen the third movement?
@soongsoong123
8 жыл бұрын
+Boris Zatta hahahahaahaha XD
@robodragonn9506
7 жыл бұрын
can anyone explain to me why there are literal smiley faces and frowny faces in the score??? also does the thing that looks like a fermata attached to an inverted fermata mean anything? if so, what does it mean?
@CarterMuller
4 жыл бұрын
I think it is meant to parodize western formal classical traditions. One can read the score and even recognize a certain structural familiarity to the whole, even though one only hears silence. In that sense, this is kind of an intellectual joke, or "music about music".
@josephlaredo5272
4 жыл бұрын
Someone asks, "why isn't Schulhoff better known?" Could be because his music (as heard here) is superficial? Interesting to hear, though. Thanks for posting.
@aviramspies
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it superficial, I can see why you wouldn’t enjoy it because it's not truly authentic jazz writing... He has other pieces with great depth to it. I think the main reason he is relatively anonymous is because his was ended early and he was killed by the Nazi's in one of the concentration camps.
@klop4228
4 жыл бұрын
I'd argue against this being considered too superficial, but I'd agree that this is absolutely not his best work. His string quartets are much more interesting, as nice as these are
@jordifaxon2839
8 жыл бұрын
when this person plays the second movement she pays the dotted eighth-sixteenth as swinged eights
@lylecohen1638
3 жыл бұрын
She plays the third movement swung too!
@Darkserpentes
8 жыл бұрын
2nd sounds more like a foxtrot than the first, just like the 1st sounds more like a ragtime than the second. Another joke or publisher messup?
@Mesomede
8 жыл бұрын
Me too. I suspect titles were swapped in error. Not many people in Europe could tell the difference by 1919.
@masatakasuganuma8614
6 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@CarterMuller
4 жыл бұрын
@@Mesomede I'm pretty sure the entire piece is meant as a dadaist parody of, or commentary on 'casual' popular music and formal traditions in classical western music. Therefore I think it's safe to assume that the titles were mixed up purposefully.
@Mesomede
4 жыл бұрын
@@CarterMuller Interesting point. Thanks.
@anhducduong0105
5 ай бұрын
How to play dat In Futurum?
@jimbeau51
11 жыл бұрын
I'm following threads and arrived here from a thread on dadaism. Is this representative of that movement expressed musically?
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
2 жыл бұрын
8:08 :troll:
@josephlaredo5272
4 жыл бұрын
Someone asks, "why isn't Schulhoff better known?" Could be because his music (as heard here) is superficial? Interesting to hear, though. Thanks for posting.
@soongsoong123
8 жыл бұрын
8:08 - III. In Futurum????????????
@DebrisHauler
8 жыл бұрын
You have to wonder if the performer is actually processing all those notes.
@TheNewFlutist
8 жыл бұрын
What I do wonder is why I hear creaking sounds from the piano. What's the pianist doing? idk...
@CarterMuller
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheNewFlutist Changing the pedal. Don't know why though since there are no pedal markings
@tarikeld11
Жыл бұрын
8:21 Emojis in classical music 💀
@nostradamusguy
11 жыл бұрын
How does one perform the third movement?
@ericnk58
6 жыл бұрын
Like 4'33" -- silently.
@simonalbrecht9435
11 ай бұрын
Whichever way one finds sensible and fitting…
@やくも-l8r
3 жыл бұрын
第3曲
@9827george
11 жыл бұрын
Great music that I passionately love, only I don't like the interpetaion by this pianist - unappropriate freedom of syncopation and rubati where they arenot notated, sounds somewhat childish... I prefer Sherri Jones from the wergo CD.
@simonalbrecht9435
11 ай бұрын
Schulhoff blends jazz with more traditional elements, so why not compromise between performance styles as well?
@eliavyakir7955
7 жыл бұрын
This is the most ogly music ever
@sjun21
7 жыл бұрын
eliav yakir let’s see you compose one better than this
@edwilliams9914
6 жыл бұрын
Well then don't let the door bump you on the ass on your way out.
@__414.88b_
4 жыл бұрын
U fuck
@Whatismusic123
2 жыл бұрын
This is just 10 seconds of music being repeated constantly. Really bad form.
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