Oliver H I haven't seen the movie but that fight is pretty ridiculous.
@relaxandgrowwithMegan
8 жыл бұрын
+Oliver H I don't like it.
@SteveWray
8 жыл бұрын
Princess Bride is intended to be cheesy :) thats why its so good!
@OldMadHatter
4 жыл бұрын
I do love me a cheesy movie.
@SarahExpereinceRequiem
9 жыл бұрын
"I find the Princess Bride really cheesy" Well, duh.
@scholagladiatoria
9 жыл бұрын
KatayokoNoTenshi Duh indeed, but I suppose I meant cheesy in a bad way, rather than cheesy in a good way. I don't mind the deliberate cheesy bits, it's the rest that bothers me.
@robinthrush9672
9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria We like it for the cheese. That's why it's Gouda. As Wethewax said, all of it is deliberately cheesy. Even the book.
@wastedangelematis
9 жыл бұрын
KatayokoNoTenshi movies tend to show such things for the audience (thatusually not know technicall details) but knows its far fetched, but still looks cool
@robinthrush9672
9 жыл бұрын
wastedangelematis It's called Flynning and it's a showy form of fighting that reduces risk to the actors. It evolved from live stage fighting and carried on into the movies because, hey, it still looked good and was safer. Now we can do really dangerous stuff with special effects and don't have to even use weapons or at least, the full-sized weapon and can add them in later.
@DaaaahWhoosh
7 жыл бұрын
My group's instructor works as a stage combat choreographer, and he often points out the kinds of things that would look cool but get you killed. The way he says it, if you have a truly realistic swordfight onstage, you can't actually tell a story with it, because everything is so fast and it's hard to tell who's attacking and who's defending. It really is an art to strike a balance between a cool-looking fight, and one that might actually happen in real life.
@laurenceperkins7468
6 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/o5urxYxupZ2dem0 You need to have actors who actually know how to fence. And even then it loses a lot of the "cool" factor for the average audience member who doesn't understand what they're looking at.
@nate_thealbatross
6 жыл бұрын
Scene speed is speeding up a bit. Gladiator had some stuff that was just a couple of frames. I think the fight at the end of Last of the Mohicans was super short. A long drawn out fight right before it, but the Dad just came in low chop, chop, over.
@matthewaleman4401
3 жыл бұрын
99 percent of people aren’t lightening fast swordsman with rediculous reaction times just like other sports have natural born athletes a very fast swordsman is a genetic marvel with very strong forearms
@DesignatedMember
9 жыл бұрын
I can now imagine a five-year old Matt Easton (already bald of course) sitting in his soffa with a kiddie-sword in hand, watching The Princess Bride, while face-palming repeatedly and going "oh bollocks!" every time!
@scholagladiatoria
9 жыл бұрын
DesignatedMember I didn't go bald until I was 8.
@lcmiracle
9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Ha! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders: the most famous is never to feed the trolls on the internet; but only slightly less famous is this: never reveal something to a professional internet user when your personal information is on the line! MAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@NeatStuff86
7 жыл бұрын
"already bald of course" My. Fucking. Sides.
@skullcrackers187
7 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria and constantly saying where the helmets, where are the damn helmets? 😂😂😂
@Scathsealgaire
9 жыл бұрын
The Princess Bride is not a kids film. Almost all of the jokes go over their heads.
@manicdemise
9 жыл бұрын
kids tend to be quite short
@Scathsealgaire
9 жыл бұрын
And fish don't like to be...caught.
@pizdamatii5001
9 жыл бұрын
Scathsealgaire i think it is a bit like saint-exupery's little prince or kipling's jungle book (not the disney version): if you read them, or somebody reads them to you when you are really young, you can still enjoy it although you wouldn't get much of the subtext. then you read them again as an adult and they feel like completely different books.
@autolykos9822
9 жыл бұрын
Scathsealgaire Well, it's a family film. The good ones of the sort make sure that the parents that have to watch it aren't bored out of their minds, either. And yeah, Princess Bride does quite a decent job of it. @CarnalKid: A lot of the jokes for the parents are references to literature or history (e.g. why "Never start a land war in Asia." is good advice). Kids in the right age bracket for the film will never have heard of half of them, no matter how smart. Reading all that stuff takes time.
@lcmiracle
9 жыл бұрын
Scathsealgaire You see, the great thing about the Princess Bride is that a whole lot of the "adult humor" went over the _kid's_ heads, as you said, that it allows the whole family to enjoy it on their own levels. I remember _watching_ The Animaniacs went I was a kid and never getting those innuendos... and I don't even think that show was supposed to be a family show -- I thought it was entirely a kid's _show_! Edit: typos are fixed in italics.
@joearnold6881
8 жыл бұрын
But did the rodents of unusual size fight historically??
@Khornedevotee
8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Arnold Only the Skaven.
@NDOhioan
7 жыл бұрын
I don't believe they exist.
@ottopike737
6 жыл бұрын
OhioGentleman nobody got that.
@mylifeisacomplexpastiche7901
6 жыл бұрын
OhioGentleman Clearly you haven't seen the ones in New York sewers
@Etaukan
9 жыл бұрын
I can usually ignore the sword range thing, and the fact that they're mainly trying to hit nothing, or at most the other guy's sword. The thing that always pulls me out of the action is when the actor or stunt person has a shield, but fails to understand that it's a useful thing. In most cases, they ignore it, or forget about it, and you'll see them either fencing or cutting or lunging with their sword, and their shield will either be down at waist level, giving their opponent their whole shoulder and upper chest, way off to the side, sort of flailing around in the air randomly, or actually BEHIND them, because it was getting in the way of their sword-waving. From the perspective of Stage Fighting, I understand that shields are boring, that most of the time it's hard to film a medium or large shield in as dynamic a way as a sword, but it still pains me when they throw it in there, and then do their level best to work around it, or just keep it out of the way of the action. Sigh. Okay, rant over.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+Etaukan that's the "fiberglass piece of shit" fighting stance. they COULD just buy a bunch of plywood and make the shields. it's not really all that difficult.
@Enaluxeme
8 жыл бұрын
+Etaukan You made me realize that I never saw a buckler in a film.
@stormxlr2377
8 жыл бұрын
+Emanuele Labellarte (Enaluxeme) coz they dont look cool, and most people think bucklers are useless and for poor people
@dbareford
8 жыл бұрын
As a professional designer of theatrical violence, I really appreciate the respectful way with which you separated stage or film choreography compared to martial arts. I agree that theatrical combat is a very different animal, with different goals and different criteria than live sparring or actual combat. But, in my work, & I hope in many other contemporary designers' work, I think an understanding of and practice in western martial arts greatly benefits the theatrical fighting arts. Basically, we need historical combat arts to keep us honest!
@MartinGreywolf
9 жыл бұрын
The difference between movie and actual stage choreography is almost as wide as the one between HEMA and stage. With all the wonderful toys you get when making a movie/video (most prominently music, bullet time and closeups), you can actually afford to be more authentic, if you play your cards right. Just try to imagine final gunfight from The good, the bad and the ugly without the music and closeups to get the idea. It's just five minutes of three dudes just standing there.
@louiswilliamson2191
8 жыл бұрын
Don't you just hate it when men just rub the tips of their swords together, rather than trying to put them in eachother.
@JamesJones-ct9nm
8 жыл бұрын
Giggity
@juliansmith8350
8 жыл бұрын
yeah i was lolling at taht too lol
@captainnyet9855
7 жыл бұрын
yeah, it sucks when the actor's thrusts have no chance of entering the body.
@shoeberrypie
7 жыл бұрын
and neither provide the common courtesy of a reach-around, for shame :/
@cadethumann8605
7 жыл бұрын
Louis Williamson Wait, I don't recall any sword fight that involved characters rubbing their sword tips. That is unless if you count when they start by first having their tips cross each other before they start exchanging blows, something which is commonly done in sparring. At least give me one example of characters rubbing their sword tips?
@MichaelBTucker
9 жыл бұрын
As a stage combat instructor, and a martial arts instructor I truly appreciate this video. One because you don't take jobs from stage combat instructors and you appreciate the difference. Two because you are truly needed, I am lucky that I know martial arts as it adds a level of realism and I am glad to do so. Three you are a stand up guy,. thanks for this one Also that is call safety distant and it is a shame that is can be used poorly.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+Michael Tucker yep, the trick is to keep them at a safe distance while simultaneously avoiding them _looking_ like they're at a safe distance. I'm also okay with fight scenes taking longer than average when it's the main pro and antagonists fighting. also, please try to get extras in the bad guy's army to look like they're trying to defend when they get cut down. it makes the hero look more badass for his enemies to seem at least semi-competent at survival instincts at least.
@andrewkgsmith
9 жыл бұрын
I don't mind the swordfights being like that because I imagine it's for health and safety reasons!
@scholagladiatoria
9 жыл бұрын
andrewkgsmith How very British :-D
@raprice79
9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria He's right though. In a battle you are trying your best to injure/incapacitate/kill the other person, while for a film you are trying your best not to injure/incapacitate/kill the other person. It's all about CONTEXT. ;-)
@raprice79
9 жыл бұрын
ZarlanTheGreen Maybe. ...As long as you hire Matt Easton. ;-)
@raprice79
9 жыл бұрын
ZarlanTheGreen Hrmm, maybe. But I think you are being over optimistic. How many people are there who are HEMA experts and stage fight choreographers? I'd guess close to zero. But my main point is the CONTEXT of a HEMA sparring session and a fight scene on stage, or a fight scene in a live-action film, or an animated film, are totally different. There are lots of reasons why different fights look the way they do, and what makes a fight "work" in a particular context. For films etc a knowledge of HEMA principles (or the lack thereof) is only one factor amongst many. The aims of a staged fight are different from - in some ways totally opposite to - a sparring session. Knowing about HEMA doesn't change that. They are "unrealistic" for various reasons. Using Game of Thrones as an example. GRRM has said that he doesn't like it in films when people are fighting a battle without helmets. It's totally unrealistic, and potentially dangerous for the actors. So in his books characters have helmets in those situations. It would be stupid not to. But in the television series things are different; characters often don't wear helmets. It's not that the producers don't know that GRRM hates the lack of helmets, that it's unrealistic etc. They do know. But there are lots of reasons why, in the context of a programme, no helmets is better. It's the CONTEXT that ultimately matters most. (Sorry for the long post).
@entropyembrace
9 жыл бұрын
raprice79 but the job of the fight choreographer and actors is to convince the audience that the actors really are trying to kill each other.
@wenlocke
9 жыл бұрын
The "is it filmable" aspect is interesting to mention. One of the best bits of filming of stage fighting I've ever seen was from the end of the Serenity movie, where Summer Glau does this almost-ballet whirling fight with a dozen enemies. The extras show the filming of that scene, and they way they choreograph the cameramen to stand in specific places at specific times, move in specif paths at specific times and let the fight whirl around them, it's very tightly timed and stylistially awesome, even if completely unrealistic (and rightly so, supersoldier vs psychopaths)
@p4riah
9 жыл бұрын
Also, this video wherein Matt states that he doesn't like the Princess Bride has been up for over two hours and still doesn't have a dislike. I'm proud of you internet. :D
@dougpresley2220
9 жыл бұрын
As a guy who does both stage and HEMA, I can appreciate both equally. And, once I got to the point where I could separate the two as being completely different animals, I think it really enhanced my enjoyment of them. The important thing to remember is that the former is an interpretive dance used to tell a story. And, once you learn to see it in that light, your respect for the really great fight choreographers goes through the roof...even as you joke that you could totally take that guy in a real fight LOL.
@p4riah
9 жыл бұрын
Wait... are there actually people who think the swordfighting in Princess Bride is realistic? Seriously? I mean, it's an excellent film and the swordfighting scenes are really awesome, but I don't have any illusions of them being ACCURATE.
@pondboy3682
5 жыл бұрын
Somewhere in the world, there's at least one person who thinks just about anything. However, most of us just want to see Matt lose his shit on REALLY cheesy battles like Princess Bride or the Holy Grail.
@GodzillasaurusJr
9 жыл бұрын
"My fingers are swords." -Matt Easton. As if you weren't cool enough already!
@Segalmed
9 жыл бұрын
To criticise the famous duel in The Princess Bride for not being realistic is slightly unfair because it is deliberately over the top (as are many things in both the film and the original book). It's how a kid would imagine it because that is what we are supposed to see. As for myself, my favorite version of TPB is a dramatic reading of the book made in Germany which I put way up above the movie. I do not blame the movie makers who had to deal with very limited means and made the best of it.
@zopiclone199
8 жыл бұрын
The Princess Bride is supposed to be sort of "cheesy", a cheesy love story. They even promoted it as such. And "stage fighting" in a Hollywood film??? No ways! That never happens! That's like the whole point of "stage fighting", to make it look "exciting" and consumable for mindless film watchers....why the hell you would compare real fighting to stage fighting in a Hollywood film is mind boggling.
@mattlaban4700
7 жыл бұрын
I am both a historical/sport fencer and an actor combatant. I agree with much of what you said. The one thing that people need to keep in mind is that in real life : every action has an equal and opposite reaction, but on stage/camera: every action has whatever reaction we want. The job is to tell a story and good fights speak through the movements and intentions of the actors.
@laksivrak2203
Жыл бұрын
I’m a bit younger then u Matt, Princess bride was a kids movie but it was a masterpiece to most people, also I still remember when Andre the Giant died, and I still cry thinking about Andre! He was friend to the world!!! And Princess bride was his movie!!! Much respect Matt!!! talk to you down the trail
@zednotzee7
9 жыл бұрын
To be honest, it would never have occured to me in a thousand years that The Princess Bride was (or indeed, was intended to be) accurate about anything. And it was certainly not intended as a sword fighting manual. It was merely an amusing kind of fairy tale. So I think Matt would have been better to choose a different film as his example. One that is more serious and tries to give the impression of being more accurate. Kingdom Of Heaven for example. The historical inaccuracies in that film are legion ( I still enjoy the film mind you).
@iopklmification
9 жыл бұрын
zednotzee7 Yeah Kingdom of Heaven is a decent historical film, I enjoyed re-watching it recently. (if you look at the last battle closely you can see our hero throwing away his shield just before entering melee combat... ewwwww remembering this makes me uneasy). But when re-watching Gladiator, I had to close it during the first battle as I felt my brain melting at its stupidity.
@jimheaton9503
9 жыл бұрын
iopklmification Avoid Barfheart....
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+iopklmification to be fair gladiatorial combat was like modern wrestling with only the final part of the battle ending in real combat.
@G5rry
7 жыл бұрын
He probably would have chosen a different film, but as he said, he was requested to review that film, which is why he mentioned it.
@pondboy3682
5 жыл бұрын
@@G5rry ya, people just wanted Matt to lose his shit. Next request: Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
@Muazen
9 жыл бұрын
There's a similar problem seeing computers used for anything in movies while having a degree in computer science. No, wait, scratch that. While being computer literate. No, wrong again, let me start over. There's a similar problem seeing computers used for anything in movies while being lucid.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+Muazen jurassic park anyone?
@HisDaveness
9 жыл бұрын
You reveal yourself as a true master by knowing the limitations of your art. I've been doing theatrical combat for about 15 years now. We typically get called in after a production hires a martial artist to do their fights and he gets someone hurt. What are your thoughts on the duel at the end of Rob Roy? I've always been impressed by the historical accuracy of that one, but as a stage fighter who needs to be familiar with whatever martial art a directer wants, my martial arts knowledge is broad and shallow. I'm curious about the opinion of a sword specialist like yourself. There are ways to cover safe distance, but that takes training time and coordination between the choreographer and cinematographer. Neither of those can be counted on. Most productions have no idea how much time is involved in making a really good fight. (Or they are aware and can't afford it.) The Princess Bride duel is definitely vaudevillian. But while the fighting is nothing to write home about, you have to admit it's a GREAT scene!
@freman007
9 жыл бұрын
I was an extra on a local television series when they decided two characters should have a fist fight. One miscalculated, zigging when he should have zagged, and took a fist to the mouth. Oh the blood. Paradoxes of Defence www.umass.edu/renaissance/lord/pdfs/Silver_1599.pdf
@matoe123
9 жыл бұрын
I really like this channel being a role-player who likes to reflect historical periods quite accurate in his games. Concerning stage / film fencing, can you comment on the ultra tricky scene from the first Conan movie, where Arnold does some shadow fencing practice, by starting pulling out the sword in reverse grip and doing all sorts of swings which look ridiculously complicated. I would be so curious on an experts view on those moves.
@AnotherDuck
9 жыл бұрын
This is why TV Tropes comes with the disclaimer "TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life". Aside from being a little bit of a time sink, that is. The more you know, the more you know what's wrong.
@AnotherDuck
9 жыл бұрын
ZarlanTheGreen It's a _little_ bit of an understatement.
@bananian
8 жыл бұрын
they should really do animated movie about swordfights that can depict real fights without having to risk injury to actors.
@CzornyLisek
8 жыл бұрын
There was some anime with realistic fighting end armo(u)r. Also for shure there are some less know(end/or not in eng) films with historical fighting.
@Strategiusz
9 жыл бұрын
Sometimes fighters are too close each other all the time that they can almost impale themself on the enemy's sword and they still do big swings
@scholagladiatoria
9 жыл бұрын
***** Yes, true, that too.
@pizdamatii5001
9 жыл бұрын
***** i re-watched "red sonja" recently and during that long fight when kalidor (arnold) is trying to best sonja, towards the end, when they are both starting to get exhausted, they both keep doing these big overhead swings, although at least twice, kalidor's blade tip was a mere 30cm (~1 foot) away from sonja's face while her own sword was too low to parry a thrust. i understand that thrusting is dangerous even with blunt weapons (especially since the actors don't usually have a gorget) and that's why we don't see it too often on screen, but it is ridiculous how many sword fights on screen could have been easily finished with a well-timed thrust.
@rebeccaschade3987
8 жыл бұрын
To be pedantic, and because I love The Princess Bride. In the big swordfight between Westley and Inigo, they are not ACTUALLY trying to kill each other. "You seem like a decent fellow, I'd hate to kill you." "You seem like a decent fellow, I'd hate to die." - "Kill me quickly." "I would sooner destroy a stained glass window than an artist like yourself..." But yes. As you said. It's stage fencing. That fight is more about the banter than it is about combat :)
@Mikey__R
9 жыл бұрын
On a similar subject, there are many movies featuring archers doing full musket drills. No archer would ever hold a bow at full draw longer than they needed to.
@jackrice2770
Жыл бұрын
Another factor to consdier in stage fighting is the nature of camera optics. The camera can make two people (or objects) in a scene appear to be close, when in fact they are quite far apart. Peter Jackson uses this effect in LotR where the 'small' people (i.e. hobbits, dwarves, etc) are 'next to' or across from the normal sized people. It appears that Frodo and Gandalf are sitting at a table across from one another, but they are actually a couple of feet apart, using the foreshortening effect of the lens. Our experience is that things farther away appear smaller than things close up, so if one character is farther away from the lens than the other, it appears to the viewer as if that person is smaller. This is called "forced perspective" and since film action goes by so quickly, the audience doesn't see it as illusion. By using various angles and 'camera tricks', a stage fight is distorted so as to appear dramatic and more 'confrontational' than it would appear to an observer who was actually on set. Remember that fiction (written or video) is about versimilitude...it only has to sound or look as if it's real. Fiction writers need to know this. Samuel Taylor Coleridge explained this as the readers' (viewers) "willing suspension of disbelief", i.e. being drawn into the story so your logical mind sits back and lets your emotiona enjoy the story.
@infinitesheldon5710
9 жыл бұрын
So, the topic of distance inspired me to rewatch a few lightsaber duels from Star Wars. Shockingly enough, the Original Trilogy did a fantastic job with the distance, with the vast majority of the cuts and thrusts coming close enough to tag the actors, had they failed to block. Return of the Jedi didn't do quite as well as A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, since Luke's rage break had some very sloppy choreography, though that was sort of on purpose, so it's kind of forgivable. The Prequel Trilogy, on the other hand, did have some serious choreography slip-ups. Not necessarily with the distance, but with characters quite deliberately not attacking each other. This is especially true in the beginning of the Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Darth Maul battle. And looking at other movies, such as Princess Bride, it's pretty clear what he means about the distance problem. It's definitely something I'll be keeping an eye out for in the future.
@schizoidboy
8 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of two things. Errol Flynn remarking "I don't really know how to fence, I just know how to make it look good." And the show Conquest when they did an episode on the Musketeers and their sword fighting. First they showed the techniques used in the movies and then the host (I forget his name but he's a fight arranger and weapons historian) tells the people's instructing that they are going to fight like the "real" Musketeers and everything they just learned is useless. What I understand about rapier fighting is the weapon is primarily a stabbing weapon and they largely thrust with the swords - something not done in most movies. Personally if they want to do realistic sword fights they should do animation because then you can get away with anything.
@JZBai
9 жыл бұрын
I wonder how this applies to sword fights in animated films. You would think that animated films would not need to worry about keeping out of distance and such for the safety of the actors since no one real is getting hurt in an animated fight. However, it seems a lot of animated sword fights like to take their cues from movie sword fights or they may go over the top in their sword fights due to the freedom of the media and still break "martial common sense" rules.
@13DUH
9 жыл бұрын
Pointing out inaccuracies in movies doesn't ruin it for me. It actually makes it more entertaining
@HBOrrgg
9 жыл бұрын
I don't really have a problem with the distance so much if it's just the two fighters sort of probing at each other and waiting for an opening to get in close (although whenever an opening does present itself and gets completely ignored I cringe a bit). The problem is that movie fights generally need to be exciting and last for some time while in a real fight once the combatants get within reach of each other it is generally going to end within a couple of seconds, if not half a second.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+HBOrrgg or it drags on because nobody's hitting anything vital to combat or survival so they have to wait to see who bleeds out first.
@PeterDavid7KQ201
6 жыл бұрын
So...did he ever do an actual review of the Princess Bride sword fight?
@LarsaXL
9 жыл бұрын
what makes the distance thing so much worse in many movies is that the actors obviously just aim for each others swords.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+LarsaXL yes! if it looked like they were aiming for each-other then you could use foreshortening to make them look closer to each-other and it'd be convincing!
@Tezcax
9 жыл бұрын
I dislike the lack of feints in movies, in a real fight people will often feint a lot before throwing a real strike, that really changes the flow of the fight
@SummerSeale
9 жыл бұрын
I am aghast. Literally aghast! Such blasphemy! Such heresy! Not...like... _The Princess Bride_? You must be related to a man with six fingers - this is a certainty! Were it not for my huge amount of respect for you, I would have unsubscribed instantly upon hearing such blasphemy! But, as it is, I think you will need protection from the unavoidable pogrom. =D I shall, therefore, do the humanitarian thing and remain a loyal subscriber. =D
@GodlyLouis
9 жыл бұрын
I find Chinese martial arts movies actually do pretty well in the distance thing, and just general realism minus absurd techniques (might be because the actors are often martial artists themselves)
@tomcalver3865
8 жыл бұрын
It's really interesting you say that about the distance, because I've often think sword fights in films take place too close together! The actors tend to stand square rather than side on, thrashing sabres at a distance where it would only take one person to extend their arm for the sword to go right through the other's chest. IME (fencing) engagements that close only last a few moments (i.e. when one person is caught of balance or executes a lunge). If the move isn't successful within a couple of strikes then one or both will retreat to a range where they cannot connect a further attack without another move to close the distance.
@Segyl88
9 жыл бұрын
I think one of the best "sword" fight that i seen was Anakin vs Obi-Wan in EP3. Of course nothing was realistic bust still... For "real" fight i vote for Alatriste with Viggo Mortensen
@nudl3Zz
9 жыл бұрын
Segyl the fights in the star wars prequels are ridiculus
@scholagladiatoria
9 жыл бұрын
nudl3Zz As a form of dance or gymnastics, I find them very entertaining. Martially, they are complete nonsense of course.
@andrewforrest7767
9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria That is precisely what I thought when I saw those movies.
@germanvisitor2
9 жыл бұрын
+nudl3Zz The Star Wars prequels are ridiculous.
@nudl3Zz
9 жыл бұрын
germanvisitor2 esspecially the yoda fights, they are the worst thing that ever happend to star wars
@IdleDrifter
9 жыл бұрын
Miracle Max: GO AWAY! Or I'll call the Brute Squad! Fezzik: I'm on the Brute Squad. Miracle Max: You ARE the Brute Squad!
@paulogarcia8
6 жыл бұрын
Hey, Matt. Sorry if my domain of the English language isn't perfect, but its only my second language and I learned at school. My name is Tiago, I'm 38 and I am a Portuguese actor, director, fight choreographer, fencing master and martial artist. I have practiced fencing and eastern martial arts since I was 3, first with my father and as time went on with different teachers especially Carlos Lee and Bruno Rebello (in eastern martial arts) and masters (especially Eugénio Roque). I was there, a bit because of my father, at the start of the HEMA movement in Portugal (for the last 10 years or so). I've practiced with different visiting teachers and masters all kinds of fencing, from modern fencing (in the last 5 years I have been in training and became a master-at-arms under the Portuguese Fencing Federation and Academie D'Armes Internationale), but also pole arm work, long sword (and variations, we started with Fiore but eveolved from there), rapière (love it with a dagger but a buckler or a cape are great as well) and also the Godinho's montante work (by the way check out the ancient Portuguese technique of jogo do pau and see if you see what I saw before I get time to write an essay on it - I don't have the time so take your time). I have also worked a bit on ancient classic weapons and tactics (Roman, Greecks, Lusitanos) and army tactics and organizations mostly because of my work as choreographer for medieval markets with military orders teems. Because of my background, after I completed my bachelor's degree in acting I specialized in stage fight and artistic fencing (or stage fencing, i think you call it there). Presently I study ancient techniques mostly to adapt them to stage fencing. I have been enjoying your videos and, in my opinion, you are absolutely correct. Modern fencing doesn't teach swordsmanship (well the epée still has a lot of techniques that are similar to its grandmother the rapière and the logic is pretty much the same as in HEMA since it doens't have the priority rule, but the displacement and weapon flexibility, meh - I only worked so hard at becoming a fencing master in that sport to have institutional recognition in Portugal - HEMA still doesn't have). And... YES! Stage fencing is a a discipline all of its own. Like in stage fight you have to sacrifice what would be proper technical execution, in martial arts, for the safety of the actors playing the scene, and success of the narrative. The distance has to be longer for both safety and comprehension of the action by the public. Or a distance in which the weapon is passed and if there is a hit it woun't be with the nastier bit, but always according on the purpose of the action in the narrative.The objective is to help in developing a narrative and not hitting each other. I mean... show aside... most of the times people are not wearing proper protection so, even with blunt weapons, chances were they would get killed. There are a lot of principles that we can bend a bit, but shouldn't break, that help sell the action and, most importantly, protect the people on set or stage. Also when writing a fight choreography you must develop a specific sensibility to the scene timing and feeling, and you have to pray that the director and the editor know how to assemble the footage in order to sell it. You must help set whatever feeling the director wants to create in the audience, while telling the tale and characterizing the characters. That is why most fights last for minutes instead of the seconds. Doing it well is really hard and many times producers get people from modern fencing to do it, or even HEMA, that don't know how to adapt certain principles and... damn. On the other hand there are also people that know only the stage fighting principle and have no understanding of a certain specific weapon or epoch. I mean... light sabres you can do pretty much what you like (except that cross guard in Kylo Ren's weapon - I mean really?) because is pure fantasy. With other weapons and settings not so much. Its great that they get guys like you to advise, though. And if you ever want to do really good choreographies (its really diferent from demonstrating with a pre set of movements, although many people don't understand this) just study the principles really well. With your knowledge you could do really interesting work. Artistic fencing or stage fencing is not the artistic part of fencing... it is fencing in the service of art. Still, keep up the good work. I am enjoying listening to your knowledge and opinions - pretty much in line with my own (but you have a lot more weapons than I do). And if you ever feel like you need a second opinion about something stage related (or not, just a second informed opinion) just send me a message or something for one of my work emails (tiagocruz1@gmail.com). I am always glad to extend a helping hand to a fellow swords enthusiast. Oh, oh... almost forgot... if you decide to participate in the tournament let me know. I'll probably be there judging self defense or something. It has lots of styles and contenders, HEMA people come to compete in their own area but there are lots of masters and grand master sharing their knowledge and Portugal has great weather. www.wac.world-allstyleschampionship.com/ Cheers.
@Toxked
8 жыл бұрын
The fight choreographer for Prices Bride worked with Errol Flynn and another classic actor I can't recall right now but both were known for there sword fighting. It is screen sword play but it looks really good. The actors contently practiced when not in other scenes. This was scene was shot on a sound stage and was one of the last done. So they had the whole time making the movie to practices. All that said my main point would be. With martial arts etc. when two people are really fighting. Its not that interesting to watch for most people. That's why they “dress it up”.
@Shiresgammai
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, what do you think about the fact that stage fencing basically is the oldest existing form of fencing? I don't mean the techniques themselves (those are mostly from 19th century saber fencing, at least in the Anglo-Saxon world) but the fact that this tradition is unbroken and reaches back to the early medieval period.
@Themysterymove
9 жыл бұрын
I quite like the climax fight in The Mark of Zorro.
@Greaser350
9 жыл бұрын
The distance problem is actually completely by design. At the end of the day, safety of the actors is far more important than realism and, as such, we use what is called "fight distance" which is defined by the Society of American Fight Directors as 6 to 8 inches from the furthest reach of your opponent's weapon. This is to ensure that, even if a parry is missed, the actor is never in danger of being struck. This may not seem a big issue with, say, rapier or smallsword. However, longsword, for instance, can be a real danger even if blunted. This is also why, though the face is a valid target in most combat styles, fight choreographers NEVER will choreograph a strike that goes anywhere near the face. If you see this happen, then perspective is being used to trick you into thinking that they are far closer than they are (likely the furthest reach of the attacker's weapon is 1.5 to 2 feet or more away from the victim). The instances in which two actors do close distance are very heavily practiced and carefully choreographed. As an actor combatant, I'll gladly trade the compromise in realism for the safety.
@philfenn3991
Жыл бұрын
Just come across this one. Picking up on the comment below about the early Star Wars films, the fight arranger was Bob Anderson a very experienced (sport) fencing master and one timecoach to the UK team so he came at this from the basis of a form of fencing where the object is to actually hit your opponent. Also it was Anderson under Vader's helmet in some of the actual fights. On the subject of distance I sometimes think that our approach to things both in sport and HEMA fencing is warped by the fact that we fight in protective gear. I think that in a duel (or free play) without masks and padding you are going to be far more focussed on not getting hit than you are on hitting, especially with sharps and you are not going to close distance unless you are sure of your own safety. I've done some reenactment and displays in my youth that were free play with some set pieces rather than choreographed and while we rehearsed in masks eta. once the masks came off for the last couple of sessions we were all a lot more cautious all of a sudden.
@1965anthony
9 жыл бұрын
According to one of my books on stage fighting, it is possible for fencers to open their distance when fighting upstage to downstage and then close distance but come off the centre-line when fighting stage left to stage right. Surely cinematographers should be able to do the same? But I am rarely bothered about stuff like this because acting is about communicating your character and intentions as obviously as possible whereas fighting is about concealing and surprising. My favourite film fighting is in Rob Roy. One fighter is arrogant and highly skilled. The other is unskilled but brutal and determined. Of course, in 'real life' they would both circle each other wearily in blank faced concentration. But the audience has to know as much about them as possible for the tension to build. And the result has to be in keeping with their characters.
@Aedeus
9 жыл бұрын
Hector vs Achilles in Troy. Great fight. They were close and personal. None of those distance issues. Always has been my favorite.
@437cosimo
9 жыл бұрын
Yes the big motions are for the camera. Fights are also drawn out usually by the director who thinks this will be dramatic! Love your explanation.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+437cosimo I just once want to see extras that are getting cut down by the dozen at least look like they're attempting to defend themselves so the main character looks badass instead of merely halfway competent.
@DouglasMilewski
9 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's all about safety. You don't want actors wounding each other. That would be bad. John Wayne is responsible for the traditional western bar brawl technique (or so I'm told). I'm sure you've seen guys grab each other and punch. This is because of body dynamics. You can't actually hit the person that you grabbed, so you can have these huge punches showing up on screen without having to worry about your stunt men or actors getting hurt.
@Lukiel666
6 жыл бұрын
My favorite movie duel is Highlander; Macleod vs Basset drunken duel on Boston Common.
@Dhomazhir
9 жыл бұрын
Regarding movie fights. During Rocky IV "During a practice round, Sylvester Stallone told Dolph Lundgren to "really go at it" like how normal boxers do for 15 seconds. He ended up with a swelling pericardia sac around his heart and had to be rushed to the emergency room by plane. His insurance company thought he was faking it, saying that his injuries looked more "from head-on collisions when the steering wheels hit you in the chest". Stallone replied,"have you seen Dolph Lundgren?! That's a truck! That's a steering wheel! That's a head on collision!" His insurance company honored the claim soon after that."
@Dhomazhir
9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Is there a favorite movie fight or one that really did well for you? For me some that did well are the fighter between the actors Jet Li & Jacky Chan in "Forbidden Kingdom" and another is between the actors Scott Atkins (a Brit BTW) and Lateef Crowder in Undisputed 3.
@ArnandKularajah
9 жыл бұрын
Stage Fencing is almost the opposite of real swordsmanship. In stage fencing you want to make the moves easy to see, but keep from injuring your opponent. In real swordsmanship you don't want your moves easy to see, and you do want to injure your opponent.
@MannulusPallidus
8 жыл бұрын
Film combat I can usually deal with, but stage combat scares the hell out of me because I was trained in it. My suspension of disbelief breaks down whenever a stage fight starts. I find myself worried less about the characters being portrayed than about whether the actual actors can execute their stunts safely. If you screw up certain maneuvers in stage combat, it's a trip to the hospital. I've been there when it happened.
@Agorante
8 жыл бұрын
I was once in a staged fencing match. I was singing the Commendatore in Don Giovanni. In Act One scene two he has a sword fight with the Don - which he loses. Our fight was choreographed such that the Don's blade was supposed to go under my upstage arm. This would make it look as if the sword went into me. But Marvin - the guy signing the Don - missed. He stabbed me right in the belly. The sword was some kind of fencing foil with a blunted tip. It left a nasty red welt and scared Marvin. He thought he had killed me. If it hadn't been a blunted sword, he would have. Our distance was close enough that we could have easily killed each other had we use sharp weapons.
@ProgHead89
9 жыл бұрын
My pet peeve in movie fights is people stabbing or cutting through the center of a breast plate like it's nothing. Why wear armor!? lol
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+ProgHead89 YES! have them go for the armpits! it's ACTUALLY a decent strategy against someone in armor, and you can conveniently have the floppy stabby sword go around back!
@docjjp
9 жыл бұрын
Matt - I don't know if you're familiar with Guy Windsor's work, but he did a breakdown of the fencing master name-dropping that the combatants do in The Princess Bride on his channel, swordschool (I won't link to someone else's channel here). He is unabashedly a fanboy of the film. I think the appeal of this fight is that it is what you did as a kid, picking up sticks and play-fighting with them with friends, lots of big feinting and parrying and adding in flourishes with almost no attempts to actually hit the other person. And it should be said that as movie stage-fighters go, they seem to be very skilled.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+docjjp ... no wonder everyone hated me growing up.
@BigZ7337
9 жыл бұрын
The best fight scenes I've probably ever seen were in The Raid 2, that film and its predecessor are amazing, I'd definitely recommend them.
@michaellittle226
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing . To each their own. I love the Princess Bride . The cheese is part of its charm . 😃
@billwarrinerfightdirector7583
9 жыл бұрын
So, the matter of distance. On stage, distance is about 6 inches from the point in guard, with a little lean in. This is primarily for safety. Remember, a fight on stage, versus a real fight, tells a story. There are many accomplished martial artists in the business, as well as combat veterans and even HEMA folks. Many techniques are taken directly from the manuals and adjusted, not only for safety, but to be effective entertainment.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+Bill Warriner Fight Director "add a bit of overswinging here, a bit of distance there, and stab when standing at least a foot to the side of your opponent so you don't accidentally kill them." I only really get annoyed when I see stupid things like spinning attacks, especially when the guy spinning around is unarmored.
@GrizzlyHansen
8 жыл бұрын
I watched this video and so I went back and watched one of my favorite fights, the Achilles and Hector Fight in Troy and they are always in range to hit each other. One is never out of reach of the other. Just wanted to let you know.
@amberframe5902
9 жыл бұрын
in light of what Matt just said about distance in tv shows and movies fights,i just realized staged swords fights in most Wuxia movies are very well made...
@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug
9 жыл бұрын
When stage fighting you have to make all fast jabs towards the weapon or shield by necessity since you'd otherwise risk hitting the opponent. But large attacks should be directed (almost) at the body after being properly advertised with one or two "power up" swings in the direction you're going to hit. When your opponent advertise a blow, you should prepare for blocking and place yourself into the path of the opponent's weapon so that it looks like you would be hit if you weren't blocking and also to signal you're ready for it. It looks better and you're much safer if you step forward to block at the middle of the weapon, because it's less likely the weapon will slide down your weapon and accidentally hurt you then. If the opponent's not sure you're ready for the attack, you should go for the weapon instead. So if a large blow in a scene is missing the opponent by several meters one or both of the actors have not signalled correctly to each other... All this is of course the opposite of what you'd do in a real fight.
@OrkarIsberEstar
9 жыл бұрын
i agree ^^ i started out with unarmed martial arts and i loved to watch unarmed martial art movies as child and youth - bloodsport, karate tiger etc. And the further i got in martial arts the less i enjoyed these movies because lets be honest, the story of those movies is often quite bad to begin with and you watch them more for the actual combat scenes (and in my case training scenes as well) And i really got my enjoyment of these movies ruined for good. it took me over 10 years to be able to watch them again without a heartache and a red shiny forehead from the many facepalms. Now i am at the point that i simply dont care anymore how bad the fights are done but while i can watch the movies and have some fun with them its not as magical and cool as it used to be in my childhood but then again that may be because i grew older and the world in general lost its magic
@OrkarIsberEstar
9 жыл бұрын
dragon heaven oh thanks for asking. A bit complicated but im preparing new videos and hopefully i can upload the first tomorrow. However with the kids around its a bit difficult to find time to record videos without too much disturbance from outside. For life a bit harsh. My doctor diagnosed me with a heart insufficiency which means that i may need a cardiac pacemaker which to be honest frightens me a little as i am not even 30 yet. But im sure i will be fine anyway, who doesnt think cyborgs are cool ^^ Dont be surprised the next 2 or 3 videos will be text based again BUT thats because of the nature of the videos. I will continue narrating the new ones as soon as i have some silence in the house ^^
@SolarDragon007
7 жыл бұрын
I think that it is possible to reach a happy medium between making fights look cool and making them look grounded/gritty
@Novastar.SaberCombat
8 жыл бұрын
A fantastic summation covering some important points. :) Nice! I've actually been trying to explain this for YEARS to students (past, present, and future!), but... all too often, it doesn't "take". :( Instead, they just look for shortcuts, gimmicks, "the next cool thing", and some "magic technique" purported to be new and shiny, when in reality... they COULD be simply perfecting the basics, which are what COMPRISE all the more complicated and interesting actions. Whether staged combat or for "sparring in real time". And, btw, I completely agree that you have to proverbially "shift brains" or "wear different hats" to watch a FILM FIGHT... but then, say an hour later... think about watching a SPARRING MATCH! Or, participating in either! :) I find that to be AWESOME though--don't you? That is... being able to train as a "staged combat fighter", being aware of safety, timing, working WITH your partner... ...and also being able to "switch gears" on a moment's notice... throw on the masks and such... and spar? :) I find that very rewarding, although sometimes tough to keep separate, lololol. Little glitches in my actions here and there, hahah :D
@opunaya8955
8 жыл бұрын
I think that was the point of Princess Bride though, it was almost a parody of the fantasy/romantic genre, and, in turn, a parody of Errol Flynn swordfights.
@adamcarvella627
8 жыл бұрын
he has a point. I always laugh when I see people in movies parry flat-on-flat, because in my mind it could have never happened this way. every move in a sword fight has a purpose, so when you strike, it will always be with the edge. one would want to parry with the flat, so how i see it, almost every time the two swords connected, it would be flat-on-edge, or occasionally edge-on-edge, if both people attacked and there was no parry.
@TehCthulhu
9 жыл бұрын
I ran a boffer group for a while. We always had to tell the new people "Aim for the person, not their weapon."
@sarcastichamsandwich5413
8 жыл бұрын
Question: I once saw a TV show where two fully armored people demonstrated sword fighting in almost a brutally close way; they threw their weight at each other to throw their opponent off and mainly used their pommels to strike them. My question is: is that an actual technique? Do fighters really get so close that they can elbow their opponent in the face or throw them off balance with a shove?
@scholagladiatoria
8 жыл бұрын
+Emnuzuse Alor Yes
@Elonyx.studios
8 жыл бұрын
+bobby wasabi Another reason as to why stage fighting evolved the way it did was for the sake of spectacle. Like you said, real sword fights are incredibly quick, but for a climactic battle or set-piece scene in a production, quicker fights are often anti-climatic or even disappointing to an audience. So I believe that's also why more time is spent hitting the swords rather than the people, it's a way to drawn out the fight while still making it look visually exciting.
@walfalcon
8 жыл бұрын
+Emnuzuse Alor Check out armored longsword fencing. It's pretty cool.
@253637zero2
8 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me what show it is?
@sarcastichamsandwich5413
8 жыл бұрын
"The Quest." It's a rather corny show, but they did show several interesting concepts.
@doyleskyler8849
8 жыл бұрын
Please do a critique of the fight between the Hound and Breianne from game of thrones. It was one of the best fights in the whole series so far I'm surprised you haven't covered it yet. Thanks!
@bumpercoach
5 жыл бұрын
part of dramatic tension is that people ARENT doing what they could be doing -- at least yet -- to succeed
@Mr.56Goldtop
8 жыл бұрын
My favorite movie sword fight is in The Mark of Zorro, Tyrone Power vs Basil Rathbone. I watched a TV interview with Basil Rathbone where said that even though he always lost sword fights with Error Flynn in the movies, in real life he could have killed him easily. :-)
@manlysponge
9 жыл бұрын
Got the curvy swords up this week.
@AudieHolland
9 жыл бұрын
It's only logical that they don't get too close when stage fighting. They're actors, not trained fencers and even if they were, one accidental hit can really ruin the director's day. And the actor's too of course although he'll be too preoccupied bleeding or getting fixed up. Viggo Mortensen actually lost part of a tooth when a stuntman accidentally chipped it off with his sword. Now if they weren't keeping their distance, Mortensen probably would have suffered a broken jaw or even worse, a crushed skull. In 'The Phantom Menace' it's really obvious that the actors only aim the empty air above someone or the empty air in front of someone while the actor on the defence does some exaggerated evasive moves like ducking (when the other's sword was aimed about a meter above his head in the first place).
@TheVanguardFighter
9 жыл бұрын
I study stage combat and my counter point is that it is fairly inexpensive to learn compared to other weapon systems and there are more knowledgable and expierenced teachers doing it. Also plenty of cheographers also cross train with full contact excercises...
@lakshen47
7 жыл бұрын
"It doesn't bother me that that're using the weapons wrong, or there are basic things that they're doing *stupid* in the fight..... It bothers be a bit" Funny shit :D
@medicinemandude8426
9 жыл бұрын
Hi there! A suggestion if I may: How about taking some sparring footage and doing a sort of scene by scene commentary over it? I think it would be great to see exactly what goes through the mind of the fencer when he sees an opening or thinks his next move, or adapts to the reactions of his adversary. Cheers!
@WarriorofCathar
9 жыл бұрын
Multiple cameras to film fight scenes from a multitude of angles is a disease of the American film makers. By the time they have done editing the scene its a messy clutter of multiple shots each lasting a few seconds. You can barely see whats going on. They used to do this to disguise poor fight choreography but its so ingrained that even nowadays they feel the need to have a billion angles and edited everything into the scene. Contrast this with Hong Kong Kungfu movies. The fights scenes are clean, only as many angles as necessary are used and the end result is a coherent flowing fight. Case in point, pick any donnie yen film and compare it with fight scenes from typical hollywood movies. Even Captain America, the winter soldier fight scene in the elevator.
@PsylomeAlpha
9 жыл бұрын
+WarriorofCathar I'm reminded of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. the fight scenes were not very realistic but they were cool as hell. they did do a good job of making them look like they actually knew what they were doing with their weapons, it's just that flying around like they did isn't realistic. it's the perfect blend of magic/mystical powers and actually decent fight choreography.
@The1Helleri
9 жыл бұрын
The fights that have always felt were the meatiest to me are fight scenes from Bonanza. sure it's also stage fighting. But it had a sloppy and chaotic feel that made it more believable within the context for me.
@Excalibur01
9 жыл бұрын
I want you to take a look at the fight scenes in the Rurouni Kenshin movies. Very well played with how they stage the sword fights. Just fun to watch
@piotrwojciechowski3579
9 жыл бұрын
+scholagladiatoria Matt, which sword dual in a movie is the most realistic to this date? From any movies you have seen.
@Solthiel
9 жыл бұрын
Of all the cinema listed I've always found Game of Thrones to be particularly realistic. Obviously it can't be perfect in every frame, but I have very few gripes as someone who has practiced sword/spear/knife sparring.
@autolykos9822
9 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I see the same distance problems with novices in Filipino Martial Arts. Most of them have the "right" distance seen in movies so deeply ingrained in them that they don't even believe me when I tell them they are too far away to hit me. I usually demonstrate it in sparring by simply never blocking or parrying*. Which I can only get away with if their distance is off. And that still takes a while to get the point across. *For that, I usually have the stick (or rather, pool noodle) in something roughly looking like a Fool's Guard (held low, point towards the ground). Which is totally not the Arnis way to do it, but optimal for making my point.
@brokenursa9986
9 жыл бұрын
I've been meaning to ask you or Thrand, maybe Skall, to do this, but i want to see you go through the anime Sword Art Online and critique their technique. The fights don't last very long usually, so you could fit everything into one video, albeit a fairly long one, around 30 minutes or more. And i only want you to focus on the first part of the series, while they are within the game Sword Art Online, since the second part would be much harder to analyze, since many of the fights happen while flying.
@Nereidhar
9 жыл бұрын
I didn't like the princess bride that much. Nice movie, but that's it. Personally, what upsets me more is not really the distance. I notice it, but you can hide it with a smart camera angle. And even when they don't, having done a bit of coreography myself I kind of enjoy it anyway. What gets on my nerves is most often the way the actors MOVE. It is clear by the way they swing and pace that they are not familiar with blades, nor with fights. I remember a scene in GoT with Jon Snow swinging sgualembro, and practically not using his shoulders, it was all on the elbow (yet I guess he knows nothing). This upsets me a bit because it takes away my suspension of disbelief. It's like when an actor pretends to speak a foreign language that you happen to know, and you are just blown away by the thick accent and grammar massacre :D
@unpopularspirits829
8 жыл бұрын
A small notch in my edge in my opinion is well worth it if I can only stop that blade from hitting my precious empty space.
@JoshTyrReece
9 жыл бұрын
Really would like to hear your opinion to "A Knight’s Tale". Ok its more a funny movie that doesnt take himself to serious but I liked the Armors and that - at least I think - this Joust on Horse isnt that often shown in Movies.
@phantomapprentice6749
8 жыл бұрын
I think Stage fighters should try for best of worlds : Stage fighting with the basic understanding of actual historic martial art. So I think it couldn't hurt actors to take your class.
@fakename1545
9 жыл бұрын
I just want to see a movie about a battle where everybody hits everybody and the characterization is minimal. Like Waterloo almost, but for a massive medieval battle. And if a studio can't hide protective gear and pay insurance for 1000 nobodies, they probably made sharknado.
@sherrattpemberton6089
8 жыл бұрын
Despite its flashiness and other flaws which generally relate to that in the anikin vs obi wan duel in episode 3 they are fighting close enough to cut each other in half most of the time
@tapioperala3010
9 жыл бұрын
Great video, once again! Also, something I'd like to point out, is that just like in real life fist fight, likely with swords it's the same. The fight just wouldn't be entertaining if it was like in real life. :D But, films are films. :D
@mathewlau1733
9 жыл бұрын
What sword fight scene that you've seen do you think is the most realistic? (Duels or mook slaying) Also, what do you think of the Shogun Total War 2 opening/trailer cinematic, like how realistic is the fighting?
@londiniumarmoury7037
6 жыл бұрын
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