I had 4 more ideas that I didn't add because this video was taking way too long to make already. 2 of them were about Mills, Somerset and John Doe being a religious trinity and Somerset and JD were an angel and Devil on Mills shoulder. Another was that this was like the movie Cell (2000) and they were inside of JD's mind trying to find out where he left victims in real life. The last one was comparing the movie to a Chess game because of the chess opening codes hidden in the intro credits (D35 and C24). Too much technical stuff in all of those.
@yehonathan
3 жыл бұрын
Make a part II video! Would be great!
@whatisantilogic138
3 жыл бұрын
@Frequent Outburst I used to make custom skateboards and I was going to make a deck brand called Anti Logic and that was the logo.
@user-zh4vo1kw1z
3 жыл бұрын
@@yehonathan here here!
@davesmith7432
3 жыл бұрын
Happy 4th bro. Have you seen “the Wendy theory”? I’m dying to know what you think.
@srstriker6420
3 жыл бұрын
@@whatisantilogic138 have you seen the movie War Dogs because I think it could have been a great penguin movie you know the Batman one
@stefanpaunovic6702
3 жыл бұрын
When that corpse guy took his breath...Man forget stereotype scary movies...That was something
@tthompson4768
Жыл бұрын
Facts
@gillriet773
Жыл бұрын
Someone told me they told the actors he was a dummy so when he came back to life those reactions are genuine, fun if true!
@cousinstu
Жыл бұрын
Still hits, even when you know its coming
@workedfortheciawhenisoldrock
Жыл бұрын
@@gillriet773 that makes sense
@CorbCorbin
7 ай бұрын
@@gillriet773 It was. Fincher hired 50 different teams of actors to play the cops, so he could still do 50 takes.
@gp4236
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t even tell you how much I love this fucking channel or how psyched I was to see a new video. Keep up the great work
@millennial_weeb2382
3 жыл бұрын
KZitem never notified me, I’m just now finding out.
@cheat123
2 жыл бұрын
true
@johandrytenias1725
3 жыл бұрын
I loved this video so much. Although one correction: The victim from the LUST crime is not a punishment for the prostitute but for the guy who hired her while being married
@matute33
Жыл бұрын
yeah exactly, he made the guy wear that thing to k*lll her
@indiatastic
Жыл бұрын
¿Porque no los dos?
@brettuhl7818
Жыл бұрын
@@indiatastic could be
@matute33
Жыл бұрын
@@indiatastic porque el pecado de el es mas grande
@jeremymissens7608
Жыл бұрын
@@matute33 the only real sin is being catholic or Christian.
@italianpeanut19
3 жыл бұрын
You could add that most of the murders fit in with The Riddler theory when you remember that for every sin (Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride) there is a corresponding virtue (Chasity, Temperance, Charity, Diligence, Patience, Kindness, and Humility) . The first victim was Gluttony, John Doe gave him a test that he didn't know the question to. He could eat until his stomach exploded or he could have refused to eat and John would have killed him but he would have unknowingly chosen Temperance. All the victims final act's would have been the sin they were guilty of, or the corresponding virtue. You'd have look deep into scenes but you could see the the virtues were always there (at least in john's mind) they just had to guess right.
@bullseyestudios9068
3 жыл бұрын
We need more crime movies like this
@poopikins
3 жыл бұрын
With better writing. I live the movie, but there's too many plot holes and sloppy writing.
@bullseyestudios9068
3 жыл бұрын
@@poopikins really? Were I'm really asking
@sabbathjackal
Жыл бұрын
Watch a movie called "Strange Days" from the 90s
@Platinum_Tugboat
3 жыл бұрын
I love having that perspective shift. You have such a cool mind, these theories and these connections between other films are super interesting.
@nems0909
3 жыл бұрын
This channel is an absolute gem. Keep up the high level work man. 👍
@WordUnheard
3 жыл бұрын
Man, these theories are great! I have to admit, you had me doubting the third theory. But by the time you were three minutes into it, you had me hooked.
@christopherdiamond495
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your work. That last theory about Somerset being the orchestrator of the killings in Se7en is awesome. And you're right about the different Jokers, too. I did not like Leto's Joker, but Ledger's Joker is much more a Riddler-type than the "real" Joker. The perspective shift helps me appreciate his performance much more.
@GodfatherofRamadi
Жыл бұрын
I love this movie. I remember going and seeing it in the theater before I left for Bootcamp. It's a stretch and I like where your head is at. I really enjoy your alternative prospective and theories on films. Outside the box thinkers. The world needs more like you. Keep cranking them out man. Loyal sub right here .
@Thunderball.Mcgillicutty
3 жыл бұрын
One of, if not the greatest movie of all time. My opinion
@darkomen1290
2 ай бұрын
bro i just discovered your videos an hour ago and now ive just gotta watch all your stuff im hooked
@andyandlandon
3 жыл бұрын
Such an underrated channel. Your videos never disappoint.
@yehonathan
3 жыл бұрын
Everything in this video, are perfect. Great theories as always, and your perspective on characters is awesome
@chriswhite1584
3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this for a long time Brother..!! You are the Master..!! 👍 And only YOU, can make real sense out of all of these movies..!! Fucking Amazingly Brilliant..!! 👏
@andybackhand6542
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that this video was made after what happened to Kevin Spacey. It's ok to still enjoy the movies that he was in. Art is art.
@1stNumberOne
3 жыл бұрын
Yea people have to learn to Separate things
@vidura
2 ай бұрын
Of course it is, it always was and always will be. Stop visiting reddit too often so you don't get such infantile ideas.
@LiaMari
3 жыл бұрын
Love it Wouldn’t it also be possible that Freeman’s and Spacey’s characters are from a deeper level of hell striving to bring Pitt’s character to lower levels?
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
3 жыл бұрын
1:51 - AntiLogic basically explaining why people who get mad at him stretching the source material to make a creative case for entertainment purposes are stupid
@ShaunC_TSG
Жыл бұрын
Damn. The last min of this was a mind blowing revelation! I never would have even thought Sommerset to have set up this whole thing as a theory. Wow. If only this amount of thought would go into movies today. Great job on this one! Seven is a CLASSIC!
@HxH2011DRA
3 жыл бұрын
Wish I had animation/drawing skills so that I could make your realistic batman rouges gallery into a proper fan project
@olivevillanelle3524
8 ай бұрын
Mind is blown. TY for this! Now will have to re-watch with a fresh outlook.
@darkservantofheaven
3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah Se7en: Gotham city before Batman John Doe is essentially a compisite Batman villain Riddler (testing the detectives as a game) Victor Zsas (nihilistic killer) Holiday Killer (substitute holidays with the sins)
@DanielletheDriver
3 жыл бұрын
omg yes i just happened to pass by
@encognitusmaximus7598
3 жыл бұрын
Movies like these always give us a great villian. And it's great to get more from them in other movies but they don't always turn out to be worth it. I've always love Mr. Brooks. His character is a big unknown with most people but really good.
@TheDarkestMarcus
Жыл бұрын
Wow dude, you're so good at breaking down different films. I'm gaining more appreciation for some of these movies thanks to your vids. I'm looking forward to you dropping more bangers in the future.
@xrusted
3 жыл бұрын
OMFGD YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The "hell" explanation is the best, most adequate theory I've ever heard about Se7en. Just incredible. Much respect.
@coulboy19
3 жыл бұрын
You are the best critic I have seen on KZitem. These fools stole your ideas months after you called it.
@whatisantilogic138
3 жыл бұрын
Someone stole my ideas?
@coulboy19
3 жыл бұрын
@@whatisantilogic138 yes. Would you like an example?
@whatisantilogic138
3 жыл бұрын
@@coulboy19 yes
@skrtiee
3 жыл бұрын
commenting to see the outcome
@RaidenRoach45
3 жыл бұрын
Another vid and mind blown again thanks man. Hope the UC is getting better. I've had Crohn's 20 years it can be a pain to get under control.✌
@whatisantilogic138
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that.. Everything is good.
@RaidenRoach45
3 жыл бұрын
@@whatisantilogic138 I meant UC sorry man ,stay well.
@LaughingCrow13
Ай бұрын
Dude thank you so much I've been trying to remember the name to that Edward Lee series for literally 7 years
@HempioN721
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was looking for something in my KZitem feed worth watching, you sir have saved my day!
@petrovthehero
Жыл бұрын
obsessed with your channel. keep up the good work!
@masihkhosravi9875
Жыл бұрын
I've been watching ur channel for the past week!!!! Now I'm questioning my existence lol! But seriously fantastic channel man!
@randic9688
3 жыл бұрын
Okay, now all I can think about is how much I want to see Se7en in black and white.
@spacecoffee7323
Жыл бұрын
Yes!!!! With out dialogue just the intense music. I did like the sound track for the movie its self, they did amazing.
@actuallynotsteve
Жыл бұрын
Goddamn man, you just keep putting out banger theories.
@ethan9920
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t the scene where Mills chases JD and gets shot in the leg have quick camera cuts between JD and Somerset and they’re dressed relatively the same? It’s been a minute since I’ve seen the movie.
@ethan9920
3 жыл бұрын
@Niŋin turdl已 woah wait, you’re telling me Somerset has a limp too! Definitely going to have to but I mean, that’s another strange little thing they got in common
@ethan9920
3 жыл бұрын
@Niŋin turdl已 I shall watch it with a magnifying glass and let you know
@mikecupples1234
2 жыл бұрын
To this day, Ive tried to re experience the feeling Se7en gave me. Only thing that comes close to it was the feeling after hereditary. This movie is legit 20/10
@Real_LiamOBryan
Жыл бұрын
You might like Frailty.
@omarsaleem3076
Жыл бұрын
Stumbled across this video. “Seven” is one of my favorite movies and this break down was beyond dope! I smashed the like and subscribe button! Keep up the great work!!
@whatisantilogic138
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@kid_lucchese
11 ай бұрын
Your last theory made the most sense. Well done, kind sir. Now I have to rewatch se7en with different glasses.
@orionblack
Жыл бұрын
thank you for the joker bit, it is exactly wat i thought!
@jimmysandonato3403
Жыл бұрын
This is only my second time visiting this channel but it's easily becoming one of my favorite channels your theories are top teir and I love em can't wait to check out the rest of your content and can't wait to see what you bring up in the future
@somethingelectricproductio672
3 жыл бұрын
John Doe said "I know you" to summerset, because he's the paparazzi they encountered. When he says "he didn't know," its not because he knew summerset knew, he was simply gloating that he knew & mills didn't. He needed mills to be the one to inflict their wrath, because it needed to be someone that knew if they killed him, John doe wins, but do it anyway. Summerset begged for Mills to be removed from the case, so he couldn't have been planning on using him. John Doe was envious of Mills, because mills saw on the ugliness in the world and still found the ability to love. Its easy to create theories if you ignore the facts of the movie. You're more impressive when you create theories that don't require ignoring parts of the film. You do this all the time, so keep being impressive.
@supersnow17
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for keeping the audio levels semi-high. I can't tell if I'm going deaf or people/videos are always so damn quiet these days.
@supersnow17
3 жыл бұрын
@Victor Nieves Nope, I have high grade headphones that work just fine, I've noticed this while on mobile as well.
@Balibaliadashi
11 ай бұрын
Proof the KZitem algo is trash. I’m addicted to the sound of his voice and how insightful he is. I stumbled across him because someone irl told me about the channel. Hella underrated commentator.
@whatisantilogic138
11 ай бұрын
😁
@GeminibBorn
3 жыл бұрын
This is pretty good. This would have made for one chilling story.
@jacknitro9163
Жыл бұрын
How have I just found your channel dude. You are my new favorite creator. Can't wait to watch all your vids!
@Lux_Lethal
3 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video from your amazing mind! I'm waiting to see how much your channel to blows up once the algorithm suggests one of your videos to a larger audience. I have faith! Until then, keep 'em coming!
Wish he would acknowledge ZSJL too though. But someone else realizing ledger wasnt a joker made my day
@justinv3512
3 жыл бұрын
There's no better way to celebrate our independence than with a video from antilogic, am I right?
@foxlancaster4044
3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel so much that I don't even skip the ADS... ❤
@sillyvance2202
Жыл бұрын
So I just found your channel & I just wanted to say WOW I am so impressed by your critical thinking into all your theories on it seems all of your videos but especially this one ❣️ I'm an instant fan..
@hajileserpud9539
Жыл бұрын
Yes, yes !!! This theory ties up lots of confusing parts in the movie ... Seven !!! Thanks AntiLogic
@MrKevinEaddy
Жыл бұрын
Also that Trent Reznar Score was amazing
@jtb6737
Жыл бұрын
Minor nitpick: Last lines from Spacey was that she begged for her life and that of her unborn child. I love the Dantes Inferno theory, great out of the box thinking. Just discovered your channel, and I like you spin and analysis.
@_the_primer_
3 жыл бұрын
Going to watch this movie again keeping in mind that Somerset is the killer
@clstuff1
Жыл бұрын
But he’s not
@jeremyFHNP
Жыл бұрын
You know what... Thank you sooo much for appreciating Leto's joker. And I finally have someone who is on my side and explaining why his joker was a great portrayal way better than i do... Hat's off to you
@mikey0698
3 жыл бұрын
This video caused me to watch se7en for the 1st time and watching it from this perspective made it that much more interesting and intriguing.
@amandamccormick5009
Жыл бұрын
Much more interesting than what? You have no idea what you are comparing it too. In Australia we call that 'blowing smoke up someone's ass..,et'
@rothmayproductions6588
Жыл бұрын
Your theories are very interesting! I've got another theory that you haven't covered. It is all to do with John Doe's speech in the car 'I'm setting the example and what I've done is going to be puzzled over, studied and followed forever'. What if the Envy Sin was not fully completed intentionally and purposefully, with JD's meticulous work being rumbled by someone like Detective Mills, leading to JD's Pride being the Sin he ultimately succumbs to and most importantly, being too Prideful to admit it. What if JD planned for someone to follow his example after his death, as he was no longer worthy, to complete the arc of Envy being the final Sin. I made a concept trailer to support this theory on my channel. Let me know what you think! 👍 Keep up the great work, loving your videos!
@YourMomSimpsForOPNsense
Жыл бұрын
Love the vids! You have a great take on these movies.
@Bentons-Crib
3 ай бұрын
absolutely loved this video
@katnicholson9976
6 ай бұрын
Oh wow! This was dope! I like the way you think.
@kawh8719
Жыл бұрын
Just like your fight club theories, this one blew my mind!
@atlanta2076
3 жыл бұрын
Damn. You just outdid yourself!
@Freakyfunk489
3 жыл бұрын
Great work as usual, keep blowin my mind!
@mickythemack4558
Жыл бұрын
This video just blew my mind! This guys movie knowledge is second to none
@jeremyFHNP
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining FIGHT CLUB too... It was an eye opener
@inshan3st3r
10 ай бұрын
"Ledger never seems like he enjoys seeing people suffer". Except when he's beating Bale or about to torture him with a knife.
@MaskTheTruth1111
3 жыл бұрын
These theories keep me up at night - Insomniac
@NolaChildTarot
3 жыл бұрын
New subscriber here and I just wanted to say thank you for this refreshing content.
@vonVile
3 жыл бұрын
Jigsaw from Saw would be great Riddler. The Saw movies in atmosphere fit both Batman and Seven's universes.
@NCsurvival1
3 жыл бұрын
Is it wrong I always found John really whiny and way too willing to bend his own morals and character to match what he (the movie) needs to do?
@darkservantofheaven
3 жыл бұрын
More like a composite of Riddler and Ventriloquist (the puppet is essentially Scarface
@ssh17hx0r
3 жыл бұрын
You're an absolute genius. I hope some Hollywood writers are watching your channel.
@chadmorrison3662
3 жыл бұрын
I like the theory that Somerset was the mastermind. It actually makes a little more sense within the confines of the movie. Take it a step further, Somerset being retired would give him more time to plan things. Somerset, is the mastermind behind Jigsaw. Just saying.
@xoxtoddxox
3 жыл бұрын
There is the question of how John Doe found out who and where to find Tracy. Tracy speaking secretly to Somerset. Somerset never telling Mills of their conversation. There was no indication that Doe could have known about Mills and Tracy or any established evidence showing this after the fact. There is only one person who could have been jealous of Mills and Tracey’s life together. Especially with the knowledge of the unborn child. In a film where every single sin has a logical motive for the murder by Doe, the only ones that do not were wrath and envy. Further, Somerset quotes Hemingway, "Ernest Hemingway once wrote 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part." Yet he did nothing to stop the cops from taking Mills in cuffs. These are cops, when have they not ever protected their own? Somerset needed Doe dead.
@futuramayeah
3 жыл бұрын
is Morgan Freeman in the first Saw movie?
@chadmorrison3662
3 жыл бұрын
@@futuramayeah no, but he wouldn't be if he was behind the scenes
@akilahcopeland559
7 ай бұрын
The Riddler strikes me a lot like my fav villian literally ever, Sir James Moriarty... but with a penchant for prose.
@uglybadstupid
11 ай бұрын
these are amazing video please make more. its hard for me to see these theories on my own and i grow each time i find out about them.
@MaskTheTruth1111
3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to hear a theory on “The Walking Dead” from you.
@AI_KICKS
3 жыл бұрын
That theory sounds like the answer to the movie the little things
@uwulord7458
5 ай бұрын
Youre great. This was background noise til you said Heath Ledger was like the riddler. And socks blown clean off again!
@andrebunting7603
3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite movies. What anime were you using when you had the book on the screen
@rb.6322
2 жыл бұрын
That Constantine animated movie which came out a few years back
@sindadeadpoet8656
3 жыл бұрын
Made me think of Tom Cruise in Collateral (West Coast) and how Minority Report (Future) could also expand the Gotham-type ante-hell level universe. But to stay on your awesome work, remember how even the DVD was cased in a diary. In my opinion, those were the most significant. A lot of details and dialogue were provided - as you mentioned, with Somerset guiding the viewer/reader once they found JD’s lair. Or was it Somerset’s? 🤔 Or many accomplices? The evidence just became readily available, almost on purpose, to be examined and studied for generations - as JD mentions as one of, if not, his main goal - to have a cult following. Food for thought, indeed.
@deetzyboywonder9312
Жыл бұрын
Whoever made the batman watched your video you should fr get in to Hollywood
@davesmith7432
3 жыл бұрын
The love the twisted way you think Anti!! Great video!
@usdescartes
Жыл бұрын
"Somerset was the mastermind." Mind. Blown. I'll have to re-watch it, but dang that would be perfect - 1. It gives him a pseudo-glorious moment. 2. It follows the trope of good cop turning bad (or going crazy) at the end of his career. 3. He clearly steered Mills in every step of the investigation, from giving him the correct literature to (essentially) goading/tricking him to illegally enter the apartment. 4. He might even have been doing it to show the city what true evil looked like in hopes of the people improving themselves; he even says it in his last narration/quote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." So he murdered seven people in this fight he says is worth it. Brilliant analysis, man!
@sanfordgray5699
Жыл бұрын
You know looking at this way gives it a whole new life and now I actually like it now.
@VoiceUnder
Жыл бұрын
The Riddler on screen, the Diddler off screen.
@kaitzackpwong8411
Жыл бұрын
You make a lot of really interesting points in this one 🤔 👍
@spacecoffee7323
Жыл бұрын
Ok I'm new to your channel.... have you done Fallen yet?! I'd love to hear your theories on that omg
@msp720
Жыл бұрын
I highly recommend reading earlier drafts of the script before shooting, and also learning about the scenes that were either planned/storyboarded and never shot, or were shot and cut out. They give a lot of context to the story. In the early scripts, John Doe's plan was to escape, and he killed Mills instead of Tracy. In one of the later shooting drafts, Somerset kills Doe instead.
@MrWilly2204
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting and detailed analysis, but I think you’re reaching real far on this one.
@Alfedo69GrafX
2 жыл бұрын
Now I know why you get dizzy from time to time... These analysis are pure genius. I thought I watched movies differently, but I see now that I should stop thinking logically. and watch from a perspective other than what is black and white... smdh Mind Blown!!!! Good stuff yet again!
@whatisantilogic138
2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@faceman7966
2 жыл бұрын
Dope video my g
@christeca
Жыл бұрын
This analysis makes the rewatch even more interesting
@gloglebag
Жыл бұрын
You are insane. But in the best way possible. I wish I could chill with you once in a while.
@ritchmedia7132
3 жыл бұрын
holy f* shit this is good. Nice work
@gehenna4346
Жыл бұрын
You make wonderful content, keep it up ^^
@dehartfamily3091
Жыл бұрын
Binging and subbed. It would be cool if you could upload your other theories into parts. Cause I know upload times can suck, but damn I’m addicted to these. Can’t believe I only just found them.
@IllIlIllIIIl
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@CNNBlackmailSupport
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree about Ledger and Leto. The Joker isn't about intricate plans or breaking people mentally. I can maybe see the Dent/Rachel firebomb trap scheme, but not the Ferry scheme or the escape from prison scheme.
@DarkSideOfTheBrightSide
Жыл бұрын
The Joker has to be about intricate plans, and breaking ppl down mentally, because he doesn’t have any super powers- nor does he have the fighting skills Batman has. He has to rely on his intellect, planning, and his organized chaos.. he sets traps all the time, and the breaking down ppl mentally? Harley, Robin, and many more- he drives ppl insane. I think ppl hey Joker mixed up, and think he’s just crazy- when he’s far from it, he’s the answer to the phrase “there’s a thin line between genius & insanity” The Joker is the thin line, and he walks it perfectly.
@jancoombsvideoeditingreel942
Жыл бұрын
This analysis hit me like Darth Vader telling Luke he's his father. I remember seeing Se7en and The Usual Suspects at the cinema and noting the similarity between Spacey's characters in both. I didn't (couldn't?) make anything of it at the time but it's stayed with me ever since. Your whole Somerset angle is a true eye-opener though. It never occurred to me. Bravo.
@edrick106
2 жыл бұрын
After watching Batman I had to go back to this video because of the riddler theory.
@tortor0782
Жыл бұрын
Who would’ve thought that Kevin Spacey was just playing his real self in these evil roles....quite the twist!
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