You know you're an adult when nice looking spreadsheets make you happy.
@agrillhasnoname
Ай бұрын
You know you're an adult when you see nice looking spreadsheets as a toy for kids.
@jakubbercik6965
Ай бұрын
@@agrillhasnoname A spreadsheets pillow would be fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@dannybee9068
Ай бұрын
Or just a data person. Doing data analysis and working with csv, made me happy even when I was 20 yo
@BigWill076
Ай бұрын
For sure. I saw this guy break out the chalkboard in another video, and I was like "YES!"
@Dyils
Ай бұрын
Too bad it can't be sorted without breaking it...
@IDeVaste
Ай бұрын
I Really respect your work since I used to do the same thing on some combat game and know how much effort it takes and you're doing all that for free. I watch all your videos to learn about values about the game and how they synergize with each others. I just want to point out that while mathematically something is better on paper, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're better in game. Im not saying you said anything wrong, Im just think it should be pointed out that it always depends how applicable Math DPS is in a game. The most important factor for DPS wether its on Sword & shields or guns games is always uptime. Uptime determines which weapon will usually win between each other. I will make an easy example which I like to debate a lot why Tamer isn't as good as people believe. While its super high in DPS compared to an MP you have slow mobility. Slow Mobility equals to having a harder time repositioning for weakspots or having to dodge attacks because you can't strafe them. During that dodges and repositionings that DPS can fall down very quickly. While for example Thunder cage you don't have to dodge anything since you can outrange everything by walking and hipfiring. Your DPS uptime is arguably way higher than tamer. Im not claiming the thundercage is better or the tamer is worse. All I want to say that Applicability & Uptime is the biggest factor when converting from math to ingame where targets move. Keep up the good work and the videos, you will end up with 100k subs at this rate soon !
@raymondwang6272
Ай бұрын
i agree uptime is a big factor in calculating real dps. Also i can use this same argument compare FC and Tamer, when a boss is in stun stage, people using tamer can probably empty a whole mag of 100 clip into weak spots, which TC might have to reload once or twice. Also, it depends on the descsendant, Ajax would be less likely to move due to his shield and dome. lastly, the skill of the player lol, even the handcanon might have a higher dps potential but due to my bad aim, smg, AR and MG are probably better for me lol
@sloppyslush9858
Ай бұрын
Oh hey it's one of the monster hunter math guys. Very well said as always, good stuff!
@slimporcupine3
Ай бұрын
Crazy seeing you here! Your mhw content inspired me on there and I hope you are loving first descendant as much as my other mhw friends are!
@HuskySansVergogne
Ай бұрын
Great minds think alike
@IDeVaste
Ай бұрын
@@raymondwang6272 Yea it also depends on descendant, Id say MG is more of a range weapon so if your char has only close range abilities you have to adjust. Im using Viessa and I cant see myself doing better DPS with MG
@Project.7818
Ай бұрын
TFD is the first game to get me hooked on a game since the first Destiny, and your videos are making me play WAY more than I want to
@Kypoint_YT
Ай бұрын
I feel the exact same! I just told my friend a couple days ago that I play with, that I haven’t enjoyed a looter shooter like this one since Destiny 1
@Evolution7IX
Ай бұрын
Same here m8
@acceleratum
Ай бұрын
well warframe is better, but it did have more time to grow so this is promising and since its already 90% warframe copy it might be good if they dont go too wild on the monetization. The Division 2 is also very good but seems most people skipped that.
@Kypoint_YT
Ай бұрын
@@acceleratum I could never get into warframe, idk why but I just couldn’t. Also I guess I take back what I said because Division 1 was my favorite looter shooter ever, next to destiny 1.
@aka_says2384
Ай бұрын
Same!!! I am a destiny and warfare vet… now here we are again with TFD and I already have 130 hours on it. Go figure 🫠🕺🏽
@Bezijenkins
Ай бұрын
love your content, hopefully we get more blackboard action! I love the fact that you explain your math and how you arrived to the conclusions. Please don't stop that!
@ryechew
Ай бұрын
definately wont ille probabily do the tierlist on it
@CallMeTeci
Ай бұрын
The thing for SMGs is that between the Python and the TCage the difference in Crit is MASSIVE in favor of the TCage and general rounds have the biggest mod-multipliers on Crit out of all Ammo types. So even with the TCage behind on that spreadsheet, you will probably come VERY close to the Python in terms of Single Target damage due to the MUCH better scaling with Crit Mods (except if you play chars that can use the Pythons special effect) and completely outshine it for farming/AoE content. IF you can hit weakspots consistently, then the x2 modifier of the Python can take that weapon ahead again, but would only make it more useful over the TCage in bosssfights, where you can consistently go after the Weakspots. So i think the sheet is great, but only to compare weapons of the same ammo type with each other, BEFORE to even consider bringing Mods into the game and compare how the Mods for the specific type affects the stats differently. :)
@joshuwottdelta
Ай бұрын
I can't wait to get my hands on perforator, the moment i saw it i was like "that'll be mine" i love the handcannons
@zentryx32
Ай бұрын
i love naeziras, not just for the stats but the defense debuf is really good because everyone can take advantage of that
@AldosAC
Ай бұрын
Heck yeah man, I'm also running Nazeistra's Devotion. I've reset it twice now and have an energy booster on it. So far it's been performing really well!
@freemo28
Ай бұрын
@AldosAC when you fuse it did it add another -10 defense each time or?
@zentryx32
Ай бұрын
@@freemo28 dunno, is 10% per fusion lvl or another 10% full fusión lvl?
@Tzhz
Ай бұрын
Doesnt it provide a shield to friendlies and take your shield when they get hit by an enemy you shoot?
@zentryx32
Ай бұрын
@@Tzhz you give 10% shield using 80 mp
@Huthvir1161
Ай бұрын
I love the DPS table, small suggestion from a fellow min/maxer / Excel-builder: Add 2 extra columns to the DPS output. First being % of shots that actually hit an enemy and adjust them based on weapon type (shotgun/sniper/hand cannon/etc). No one has perfect aim, and not every pellet from the shotgun is going to hit. This column will make your DPS a bit more realistic. For the second column, give a % of the shots that hit, that will hit a weak spot. Bosses/enemies will not always have a weak spot that you can easily aim for. but that doesn't mean we stop shooting. Also, during out spray of bullets, even if we are aiming at a weak spot, not every bullet/pellet is going to land on it. Using these two columns you can get a much more refined DPS output. A 3rd column could even be added where you give unique weapons an average multiplier based on how you believe their unique ability will boost that guns overall damage output. (a final/future suggestion would be to calculate what mods would most boost that weapon ie. weapons with low base crit chance will not benefit from +% crit chance mods as much as they might from reload speed, or accuracy, but I don't know of a great way to do this yet)
@ryechew
Ай бұрын
i PLAN TO STill DO A TIER LIST BUT UPGRADING MODS AND LEVELING EACH GUN TO lvl 40 IS UNREASONABLE FOR A HUMAN HAHA. Someone will beat me too it.
@Guldfisken90
Ай бұрын
No link in the description tho :)
@ryechew
Ай бұрын
@@Guldfisken90 I fixed it you tube released it earlier then i thought
@danielagosto7483
Ай бұрын
@@ryechew I'll be here for the characters' builds and tier list. Dont trust anyone but you on giving accurate info on here!
@sweatywraith8242
Ай бұрын
Could you please just give me a sneak peak at what the best purple ammo gun is? 😅
@TheRico725
Ай бұрын
You know there is a way to level up everything fast in an hour right?
@karaokepanda8602
Ай бұрын
Man, I wish I could sub multiple times. Look forward to these videos. Keep it up.
@ec5400
Ай бұрын
Regardless if i care about the topic or not, watching you makes me feel happy for some reason. the way you explain things and your vocabulary in general is very satisfying. On top of all that the beautiful maths.
@xColdTigerx
Ай бұрын
Hellow from RU community.The video about DEF explaining was literally cool. Comment is posted for promotion your video and make your channel grow faster
@Hunikengt
Ай бұрын
Finally, a real data sheet to understand what's best for which setup. I will be running Thunder cage, Assassins edge and Tamer.
@HexxuSz
Ай бұрын
tamer and cage is kinda redundant i am runing cage devotion and i will pop sniper for special ammo
@tommy6742
Ай бұрын
@@HexxuSz Tamer and Cage is not redundant, tamer does crush dmg which does full/bonus dmg to certain bosses. If you go run those crush specific bosses, you'll notice how much faster you are killing those bosses with the Tamer over the Cage regardless if you build your Cage to have 100k+ more dps than the Tamer. IE: You're going to be able to kill the Hanged Man with time left before the first mechanic phase using Tamer over Thundercage.
@HexxuSz
Ай бұрын
@@tommy6742 you would need to use two energy activators in general rounds guns that is Hella expensive
@wyteprvlge
Ай бұрын
that dopamine hit when i start playing a new game and all the math nerds give me the data i crave. i appreciate you guys fr
@Dragonytez
Ай бұрын
that Freyna ult ammo tip was something I did not know. Thanks
@CrazyEyedEddie
Ай бұрын
I've been using the assassins edge and eternal willpower on a back draft blair build for the past few days. I knew there was something to them but the numbers in this game are so cursed I couldn't varify it. Thanks to you and Deckards for your time
@vewyscawymonsta
Ай бұрын
I really appreciate that you give people the information needed to put together their own build rather than just the typical "use this because i said so". Also, shotguns are decent on Ajax because he can stand beside the bosses and smash weak points.
@glosaiyan9109
Ай бұрын
As this game continues to blow you are also the depth that you are going to not many are willing to do thank you bro 💯
@callmemc6
Ай бұрын
These videos going over numbers and showing math are fantastic. Great work, man.
@freezax4
Ай бұрын
You mean a chart that filters dmg highest to lowest based category? Or that the fact the chart does not show ultimate weapons dmg calculated by ability 😂
@franks6349
Ай бұрын
dude, i subbed, thank you for this spreadsheet, i love spreadsheets and this helps to narrow what weapons to put time in and experiment with
@reapersasmr5483
Ай бұрын
I really really appreciate the amount of work and time you put into these videos ... also saves me alot of time trying to figure it out .. thank you good sir !!!!
@TextureAnimate
Ай бұрын
Soon as I saw the spreadsheet, you earned a sub. Thank you for taking the time to do this for us build techs. Watching this and your defense, skill, and weapon videos. Keep up the good work!
@wulfthofengaming457
Ай бұрын
its nice and all but where is the recoil and accuracy stat? If you can't stay on target to hit then the dps drops
@Deadsnake989
Ай бұрын
I've been sticking to Eternal Willpower as my main AR strictly because it looks like a G-36c. I had NO IDEA it was actually a contender for a meta pick lmao. Thanks for your work, have a decent idea of what a herculean effort this was.
@NanzoGonzo
Ай бұрын
True, I love the look of the G36 too
@allboutdatchase
Ай бұрын
It's all I use and it's definitely a futuristic g36c lol just like the holger 556 in mw3
@zzzzzzzzzPP
Ай бұрын
I liked eternal willpower and tamer from the start, cool to see they are so good in the end lol
@taylorcross3714
Ай бұрын
devs said gley is working as intended
@Grevier
Ай бұрын
I always noticed that Eternal Willpower had something in it, saw a lot of people using it, the only issue I have with non-ultimate weapons is that they start empty, Ultimates starts with 2 slots already placed, which reduces the effort needed to finish them.
@ImDevs
Ай бұрын
What a flawless video. Well done good sir. Thanks for all your hard work.
@I_Melantha_I
Ай бұрын
Hellow from RU community. Comment is posted for promotion your video and make your channel grow faster ❤ The video about DEF explaining was literally cool. Thanks a lot for all your work and calculatings.
@boredhuon
Ай бұрын
nice vid overall, you already pointed out some outliers and caveats with ultimate weapon abilities. just wanna point out that pretty much every shotgun reload timers are per shell while the smithereen reloads the full mag so im not sure if thats something being factored into. theres also other things like tamer being able to utilize mental focus well and shotguns having multishot mod to make up for their (weak) weakpoint multipliers.
@Junp
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the depth and quality of content put out, loving everything you do!
@mousshnida
Ай бұрын
they have mentioned themselves that the infinate ammo build was indeed intended and expected
@Fantoohot
Ай бұрын
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. Just in time I have an activator and cata cooking in research thank you very much!
@TheHungryImp
Ай бұрын
Hi thank you for the videos, they are great! Wingman meta in Apex Legends is in The First Descendant? Things I've noticed while using your sheet: -Tactical rifles are way below the expected rank... does the numbers account for the tactical rifle's burst shot characteristic? Not to mention not all tactical rifles are 3-burst -Beam rifles are also below, which while expected, seems to be tied to the game's clunkiness in handling beam rifles. -Shotguns, while up in the rank if heavy rounds are included, seems to actually suffer more in the fact the game also doesn't like when bullets overkill a target. Like if you shoot a shotgun in the lab clumped together with invincibility off, it will only hit 1 target, and the corpse will "sponge" the other bullets. -Handguns are surprisingly in the middle of ground, despite being closer to "autopistols" which is peculiar, but then again they handle well and have minimal movement speed penalty.
@SoulsOnly
Ай бұрын
Your detailed work on the math and these spreadsheets not only for weapons, but for defences and resistances are amazingly useful. You got a sub from me my guy, and I am looking forward to more content like this in the future!
@Sayon1337
Ай бұрын
As a Gley user, Smithereens might be one her meta weapons. The Unique gives 100% crit rate if all bullet hits makes it easier to build Crit Damage only. But the cons are that it has no attack range and it reduce fire rate by 40% at base copy, so more copies is needed to increases the fire rate.
@thenightingale7405
Ай бұрын
Damn that sucks. I just farmed my first one. Guess I'll have to decide if I want to farm out the rest.
@Sayon1337
Ай бұрын
@@thenightingale7405 Ya I got a second copy and seems to increase it by 5% each. So a max copy will still have a -20% fire rate.
@Sayon1337
Ай бұрын
@@thenightingale7405 Also Python seems very good for Gley's Massacre skill build, as it has whooping 923 Fire rate with Resistance shred.
@SlinFire
Ай бұрын
Great vid, and thanks to everyone for compiling the data! I would say something to consider is standard engagement ranges for a Colossus fight are actually pretty far which is where I have seen hand cannons suffer as their drop off is pretty early. Another factor is burst DPS, as we frequently want to get as much damage inside the knockdown window as that won't affect the enrage meter so something like a hand cannon here is probably pretty insane.
@Rekkenber
Ай бұрын
Hi @ryechew, a big thanks to you and your community for all the helpful info. You may want to recheck all the JSON numbers. Nexon being Nexon, their data seems not up to date with the live server numbers: namely the Secret Garden Fire Rate is 4x what it shows in the JSON (480 in game vs 120 in the data), making its damage output 4x what the spreadsheet made by Deckards shows. When considering the real values, the Secret Garden is ranked above the Tamer in terms of weak point damage.
@everardfoster7525
Ай бұрын
As someone that just stumbled upon you videos. I'm really glad I did. I appreciate your layout and all the number you incorporate to your videos. As well as the dump truck load of information. (I'm a small kind math guy)
@KnightZephyr
Ай бұрын
This was amazing, thank you for sharing. And for your next analysis, the reload factor can also be used in a 'perfect scenario' with reload cancels made by grappling mid reload, each weapon has a different timing, but that could impact performance on a min-max build
@CalebAdams
Ай бұрын
Bro you’re a legend, the amount of work you do to help the TLD community is truly tremendous !! Much appreciated 🙏
@TheBlakeWhitaker
Ай бұрын
Geez man…you are the goat for content on this game. No bull just straight data. Your rock man.
@zelange69
Ай бұрын
next step is a website builder with every mods and calculator!, thank for the hard work
@WalkMrJ
Ай бұрын
It already exists
@steamedbroccoli6389
Ай бұрын
Thanks for doing all that. I love numbers and this makes me happy. One thing someone found out is that there is hidden base weakpoint damage boost of 50%, so crit DPS will not equal Weakpoint DPS even for 1x weakpoint damage guns. (this is not affected by mods, so you have to add 0.5 to your modded weakpoint damage multiplier to get the actual weakpoint damage) This doesn't change much in terms of ranking but could be worth keeping in mind if you wanted to calculate modded DPS.
@battlecarrier
Ай бұрын
This DOES change the rankings actually if the weapon weakpoint modifier stacks additively with the base 1.5 multiplier. The difference between 1x and 1.5x is 50% more damage, but the difference between 1.5x and 2x is only 33% more damage. If additive, the entire spreadsheet is incorrect, and unfortunately in favor of the Tamer.
@steamedbroccoli6389
Ай бұрын
@@battlecarrier the 50% is from testing in lab, which seems to be a headshot modifier on regular enemies. I'm pretty sure different colossus weakpoints have different damage modifiers on them, but I haven't tested that. I'm assuming they would also be additive like the 50% headshot on regulars. Another thing is that Elemental damage does not care about weakpoint bonus, which really seems to hold handguns back in terms of potential damage.
@atheon_time6960
Ай бұрын
Something that i found out when playing around with Smithereens, the other ultimate shotgun, is that the unique ability doesn't state what it does correctly, it says when landing all bullets you get 100% critical hit rate, that is not a +100%, that is flat out 100% critical hit rate on all of the pellets/shells, whatever you want to call them, which means if you use it correctly your every shot with it will always be a critical hits and the unique ability giving you 2 more pellets/shells for 1 second at base and it seems to go to 1.8 seconds at max rank, could make it a contender as a damage weapon at the right hands.
@ecoman351
Ай бұрын
Having a hard time unlocking python😭i have all the regular materials but the rest been brutal , gj on content
@Pieck-chan
Ай бұрын
The highest selling point of using Ultimate weapons is their INCREASED Capacity for Modules, which is huge, specially for high crit rate weapons. Sadly when crit rate is low, there's not enough good Modules to make that "worse than Tamer" Ultimate weapon better.
@Rynth
Ай бұрын
I made a similar spreadsheet myself for snipers/hand cannons, with the difference that I have DPS values for a standardized mod set. I came up with very similar findings to you, with a couple of differences: - The afterglow is the single best sniper once you factor in mods, and it isn't even close. Even without factoring in the excellent unique effect it has nearly a 10% DPS increase over second place, and the second-highest ammo efficiency. The rest are fairly comparable once you've included mods. Interestingly, the snipers and hand cannons have comparable DPS modded despite the ammo being a potential concern for snipers. - The perforator, explorer's path, and assassin's edge are interchangeable, with a roughly 2% DPS spread between them. It has a fairly weak shield break on its passive, but loses accuracy from it too, so I'd actually suggest the assassin's edge with high crit rate and crit damage lines if you play solo. The perforator does, however, get a significant edge up if you have Enzo in your team since his Q mod increases base crit. If you plan on trying to min-max the game with a team of 4 then Enzo will always make the cut because of how that mod allows you to spec into crit damage on any weapon and you should aim for the perforator instead of the explorer's path or assassin's edge.
@KirbysBack
Ай бұрын
What mods should I use with the Perforator? It already has the highest weak point modifier in the game via hand cannon. Just wondering what would be the best mods to use with it.
@jaydenlomax2215
Ай бұрын
Im curious to see a DPS number crunch on Jayber with Python, if his turrets do Non-attribute damage and you can get 80% damage reduciton...
@trentonpreston3463
Ай бұрын
I would also like to point out that base damage without mods is not an adequate representation of the potential of a weapon with mods. The reason for this is how mods interact with crit rate, crit damage, and weakspot damage. For example, a weapon with very high base crit rate and damage may have lower overall initial dps, but once you start putting crit mods on it, you can actually theoretically push its dps much higher than something like the tamer with a very low crit rate because of the multiplicative scaling. Obviously this would take a lot of testing, but I'm sure someone will break the crit values in the game eventually. Bottom line, use what you think is cool and if you build it correctly it will work out
@ramonroblesjr.5018
Ай бұрын
Glad you did this I been putting all my hand cannons I thought where decent away
@ryechew
Ай бұрын
I dismantled everything but the tamer just because of how easy it is to farm guns
@leepalmer9558
Ай бұрын
I should really keep 1 of each gun
@shadyrebob5999
Ай бұрын
Haven't watched the full video but I am liking the hand cannons in this game. They feel punchy and reward good aim. So far haven't been a big fan of any of the ultimate guns. They don't really feel that special. Was sort of hoping for a little more exotic feeling or unique feeling.
@ryechew
Ай бұрын
well you are in for a treat. although it looks like hand cannon ultimate is better
@ramonroblesjr.5018
Ай бұрын
Crit damages with handcannon hits and coming from destiny using hand cannons I kinda figured this would be the case eventually
@shadyrebob5999
Ай бұрын
@@ramonroblesjr.5018 Same reason I like them. 😁
@ricardosharry8944
Ай бұрын
@@shadyrebob5999 am i missing something i dont see half of these guns in my weapons list, im level 25 i think
@AldosAC
Ай бұрын
I'm with you man. I was really holding off on applying an energy booster and investing heavily into any guns until I found one I liked, and I ended up landing on Nazeistra's Devotion. I main Bunny, so I don't really need add clear out of my gun and I found that I just really liked the way Nazeistra's Devotion feels. I'm still experimenting a bit to find my final build for it, but with its 36% base crit chance it makes an awesome crit gun.
@Zer0skillz
Ай бұрын
Gley changes up the calculations so much because every weapons cycle time becomes the same skill duration plus animation time to recast. So you just throw magazine size and reload out the window. Vestigial is going to be hard to beat numerically and even more so with the range and aim making it easy to use.
@Duvirii
Ай бұрын
This channel is gonna explode man you're making some awesome content here!
@Fvvvvvvvr
Ай бұрын
I've never had an easier time subscribing to someone. In your video about Defense, you mentioned you were testing every single gun and I figured it'd take you a few days. Nope, here we are. (Also, shoutout to Deckards for compiling that spreadsheet.)
@fabiobaser3415
Ай бұрын
I am grinding for days now towards the python and was really reliefed that the Python didn't come in your sheet until you started sorting ... now I have to continue my grind
@clwaschkowsky
Ай бұрын
Great work to see, love your content definitely earned a sub. I currently got the Wave of Light cooking rn, I'd recommend talking a closer look at this weapon because if you factored in the buffs that you'd get from it, it may be higher on the list. Also it being a scout rifle means it's much more versatile than a hand cannon.
@rookkincaid
Ай бұрын
I'm one of those crazy people that have taken a hand cannon up to 100. Assassins Edge for my Freyna build. It's so so much fun, and super powerful if you have practice hitting head shots for bosses and elites.
@HeavyRain.
Ай бұрын
Agreed it’s great! One of the most accurate hand cannons and its crit rate is miles ahead
@la7era1u54
Ай бұрын
Excluding Gley's infinite ammo, I don't think hand cannons would be worth it when you factor in load times. It would take 16 reloads to get the same amount of bullets as 1 clip from the Tamer. Even if you get the reload time down to 1 second you would still be spending more time reloading 100 bullets than it takes to empty a 100 bullet clip from the Tamer
@abra4662
Ай бұрын
@@la7era1u54 skill issue
@rookkincaid
Ай бұрын
@@la7era1u54 Oh I agree on the DPS part, but Tamer vs everything else isn't really fair when the tamer can slam out so many bullets with such a large tank of gas. But one shotting minions to grab some extra ammo if you run out is going to be super helpful, which hand cannons can do aside from the collosi minions in that arena.
@Harmonic14
Ай бұрын
@@la7era1u54a bullet from a hand cannon does significantly more than a bullet from the Tamer... The DPS calcs are a thing for a reason
@AegisStorm
Ай бұрын
I'd like to throw in another contender for supporting the maximum DPS of any weapon: Enzo. Enzo doesn't really do much by himself for DPS (other than more atk), but more importantly, Enzo's Transcendent Skill Mod, Supply Firearm Enhancer, gives any gun he or his party is using an extra 29% base crit rate for one magazine on touching the supply beacon. This means weapons with crappy crit rate but ridiculous crit damage can actually crit quite a bit more frequently, and crit rate mods that are previously negligible on things like Tamer (10% crit rate multiplied by your mod means it's not going to add more than 10% crit rate in the end) makes it somewhat more worthwhile. Of course, it's only 1 magazine, but for certain weapons like LMGs, that one magazine is going to go very far.
@ransombot
Ай бұрын
Smitherine is fairly good for breaking leg weak points like on the swamp guy. Land all the shots and they crit.. Pairs well with bunny as you can hop over to something and delete it. Also with the melee grapple you can launch yourself into a weak point on a boss and do some massive damage that way. They are viable.
@wolfe1978nm
Ай бұрын
The problem with both hand cannons and scout rifles is the ammo pool. It is almost impossible to maintain them in longer fights. Playing Enzo, it solves the issue for myself, but people don't realize yet that Enzo's 4th ability, the one that provides a lot of ammo, is extremely range limited. It is about the range Lepic can toss a grenade, outside of that other team members do not get the turret, the reload or the buff. The ammo box he can drop is a joke, usually half a mag. Mag size is also an issue, with hand cannons and scout rifles being very low. The hard-hitting/slow firing also makes a single miss mean a lot of lost DPS. When you get a faster firing HC/SR, you bump into the ammo pool issue again. So with the impact ammo limitation plus the special ammo being limited to tac rifles (terrible) and beam (all kinds of downsides) it leaves regular ammo. So SMG's, assault rifles and machine guns.
@gottakilldemall
Ай бұрын
Just build grey and use her unlimited ammo skill with cdr. Then ammo won’t be an issue. I’m a big fan of hand cannon since d2 so will be building one all the way
@SniperNamedG
Ай бұрын
My Devo is almost maxed out, and let me tell you, this thing slaps. Plus the big -def debuff. At max it is -30% def pen. It doesn't hit as hard as the Perf, but it will make your whole team hit extremely hard. I have both of the snipers as well, but I use the Piercing Light. What I do is land a Devo shot to apply debuff, switch to PL, and land a snipe shot. The highest I hit so far was a 12.5 million crit. And this is without having pushed the sniper up yet. ALSO, the hand cannons just feel so satisfying :)
@bahamutdragon1754
Ай бұрын
Devs just put out a statement in the patch notes saying that they do not intend to nerf Tamer or Gley, and said that while they are very strong, there are several way stronger builds they are aware of that players haven't discovered yet.
@jordons7963
Ай бұрын
I like the tamer, but for hitting small weak points. From medium to far distance. While the enemy is moving is hard. As the accuracy blooms out so much while spraying.
@Shyrshadi
Ай бұрын
Pretty sweet to see your sub count shoot up every time I look at a new upload😮 Valby is building right now so I'm definitely going to look into the python. Thanks for this ❤️
@lanfeuse6238
Ай бұрын
I thought you already did an insane work but deckard is just a madman. Thank you for your hard work
@MaglorNolatari
Ай бұрын
assassins edge was my backup weapon for when i needed extra deeps during most of the story time so i'm not surprised to see it that high on the list
@kostav4448
Ай бұрын
finished python yesterday and increased the capacity. not 100% sure if i continue working on it since the gun has "issues". It sprays less than i expected, but its defently worse than thundercage. especially with the have aiming mod. the falloff range is the same as thundercage, so you need to be quite close. the individual bullet deals little damage if it doesnt hit a WP so i run out of ammo quickly on hard bosses. hitting a WP even "only" more than 30% of the time solo is very hard with this gun, because you pump out 30 bullets within 2 second at base against a moving target. the dps on weak points is (obviously) extreme. i modded it to ~ 3.7x WP with some extra firearm atk and extra elemental dmg (poison) + some mag size. if you put on fire rate on aswell you get to 1229 fire rate which is crazy. i rolled weapon stats to poison dmg + collossus dmg + ATK & WP atm. depending on the target its dealing about 11k-24k non WP per bullet and between 36k-86k on WP with still 4 missing mods. considering the high fire rate that is actually pretty good. however, as mentioned, you wont hit WP on most shots so the average damage per bullet lies probably somewhere around 25-30k against collosi which is probably only in the mid range. i do think that crit weapons are just straigt up better on non (sniper-) rifles. you trade a couple % damage for much higher consistency and you can still put on WP mods if you want to.
@connerhays5819
Ай бұрын
Since devotion is getting a crit buff, I decided to get copies and fully build up mine for my Valby supply moisture build.
@ionsmith9026
Ай бұрын
just like one of my main game POE . . calculation, spreadsheet and formulas is everything . .
@dust921
Ай бұрын
ya but some times a gun might look good on paper but sucks to use like masiv kik back or bad handling .like last night i tried a beam wep & it was out of control like a firehose almost unusable not sure if they r all like that but it went straight in the garbo
@kyrax9462
Ай бұрын
burning 44 moment. the only viable dps weapons are general rounds weapons. the rest you simply cannot keep up with ammo for.
@Avogadro676
Ай бұрын
@@kyrax9462 Not for Enzo party... My friend is playing Enzo and its insane, we can shoot even with purple ammo ALOT. Plus he gives alot of dmg
@8BitShadow
Ай бұрын
lmao been using assassins edge since I first got it, instantly recognised its power looking at crit rate let alone it's crit + weakpoint it's insane. Thing has carried me and my brother through the entire game, no catalysts or anything. Hell we didn't even upgrade any mods for a fairly long time. I only just recently used the core enhancer because we're hitting the hard mode now. I honestly argue that it's even better than the perforator by the simple fact that you can get it to over 50% crit rate and ~2.7x crit & weakpoint...with just 3 maxed out mods, granted you need to use a core enhancer to get it to 80 energy - *but no catalysts are needed* . buuuuuut I don't know if the extra stats from reshaping will make enough of a difference. That being said, it's nice not having to use gold reshape tools to get near max extra stats.
@sajmon154
Ай бұрын
Infinite rocket luncher glay exist since the first time they added her to the test game, CAT, CBT, OBT, network stress test... she worked like that always.
@TenchiYuudai
Ай бұрын
Bunny player crying for nerf
@3CODKing
Ай бұрын
@@TenchiYuudai if anything i think a few characters could use buff instead of nerfing others
@The0neMemory
Ай бұрын
Good thing is that perforator has a different weak dmg type than tamer so it is a good choice to build it (for ppl who think it might be wasted for whatever reason) covering all 3 damage types with your weapons wich also use different ammo is what you want to min max for
@ADR_JaiDe_N
Ай бұрын
The reason why the ThunderCage is so good is Because it happens to have the highest bàse crit% rate+ crit damage modifier x2 for any SMG whjch really ups the potential for critical builds.
@elim6550
Ай бұрын
As someone who has been using strictly hand cannons and handguns since the beta release, I can only see this as an absolute win. and yes, they are fantastic as long as you can aim and accurately hit weakpoint with them.
@anstanel6280
Ай бұрын
Hello from RU community. Comment is posted for promotion your video and make your channel grow faster ❤
@azzyx8870
Ай бұрын
Really appreciate the effort to crunch all these numbers for the community. Unfortunately i don't have the ability level to take full advantage of weak point damage😅
@VoiceULove
Ай бұрын
I've been maining a Hand Cannon since day one and I've never looked back. Granted, I do use the Thunder Cage for groups of trash mobs, but for bosses, it's always a Hand Cannon.
@Harmonic14
Ай бұрын
It seems like the fire rates for the special round weapons weren't added to the sheet correctly. I redid the math with the listed fire rates in the game on the tactical rifles, and Greg's Reversed Fate and The Unwelcomed are two of the best guns in the game. However, I wasn't able to replicate the rate of fire listed in the game... The tactical rifles fell about 15-18% short for me, so they may not be as good as a standard DPS formula would suggest
@Slothless_Bear
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. I actually have a really good rolled Immediate Execution hand cannon and decided to keep it, I am now glad that I did.
@jamiebanks8937
Ай бұрын
If u see this when u load up to look at ur guns u can click at bottom left u can enable module stats gives u what dps is and what others affect guns
@scottmiller2746
Ай бұрын
while i don't have a perforator i do have an immediate execution and i really enjoy using it so i slapped an energy activator on it ages ago. it reminds me a lot of the fate bringer and that's easily one of my favorite weapons ever. i also like to use the lion of blue mane I'm a firm believer that just because there is a meta does no't mean you need to play around the meta.
@OrochiXVII
Ай бұрын
Base stats of the legendary guns improve as you level up the ability by combining multiple copies of the gun.
@Pieck-chan
Ай бұрын
Assassins Edge is awesome, when I hit 155k while leveling when others of the same bullet were hitting 30k, I realized how good she was because of her absurd crit rate. BUT SHE HAS LOW RANGE, which for bosses doesn't work one bit.
@Sean3D2Y
Ай бұрын
I farmed for the Wave Of Light a couple day ago. Nice to see it's good on dps. Kinda figured with it's trait. Scout Rifles are my Go to and Wave Of Light seemed really good for the 45 Crit chance on reloading. Only downside is it last a Second. You definitely need to farm for more of them to max the Unique trait. It'll definitely be Amazing if that can last like 5 second when upgraded 🔥
@bayouninja48
Ай бұрын
Different Dream is my favorite sniper gets easy head shots fast fire rate and slap that gold mod to get 100% more damage on 1st shot after reload, fully upgraded up 200%, Bosskiller.
@Royalpainnc
Ай бұрын
Here’s why I think tamer will not be dethroned especially when it comes to dealing with bosses or crowds of enemies espically when using gley. Gley unlimited ammo allows you to put on sharp precision shot which at max stacks gives you 40% increase fire rate and 60% extra firearm attack. When used with gley you can activate her unlimited ammo get max stacks then have 100 bullets at max stacks.
@bluntastic
Ай бұрын
I fuckkn love hand cannons and hate LMGs so this is a huge W
@nicoposh996
Ай бұрын
Interesting, I just unlocked wave of light and tested it out in a mission, felt nice, this video makes me want to cap it out now
@karlm675
Ай бұрын
I'm curious how unique abilities will affect from weapons in the spreadsheet, such as nazeistra's devotion. Will it outdamage perforator with its -30% defence debuff, or will it have a damage drop off in the late game? I'd love to see an in-depth video on that as well and see a final result on them. Anyways, you are a legend for making such informative and helpful videos for us, thanks!
@Nightmoss
Ай бұрын
Great video! I love my hand cannons and now I have more incentive to follow this up with more testing. Subbed and thanks again.
@DimaS-mw4iw
Ай бұрын
Hellow from UA community. Comment is posted for promotion your video and make your channel grow faster ❤ The video about DEF explaining was literally cool. Thanks a lot for all your work and calculatings.
@Ygdrad
Ай бұрын
I've been using an Assassin's Edge since early levels. It has another thing going for it that you did not factor for, good status effect chance AND good crit chance/damage. Status effect damage is affected by crits and a burn proc is around the equivalent of putting 6-8 rounds into the enemy before accounting for resistances.
@Katastra_
Ай бұрын
I also noticed today that ARs of the same level 'tier' have the same rolls for added faction or elemental damage, making those rolls more powerful on the higher fire rate guns of that group
@kingfoxy7854
Ай бұрын
I believe Frayna gets all mods from the weapon you were holding when you use her 4th ability, I know this because the buff from Mental Focus was applied to it. I did some testing and found that fire rate and ammo max was also affected.
@robkay5443
Ай бұрын
I’m shocked to see the Dogma 21 so far down the list, it carried me through a lot of the msq and is still a favorite of mine for single targets. I think the beam rifles may be overlooked because of the raw stats, but having a large magazine size and the fast charge mod give you a lot of uptime with a level 3 beam.
@Boomstone
Ай бұрын
I love content based on math and numbers, keep going and thanks!
@thorinhannahs4614
Ай бұрын
Good info. The Python was a very obvious eye catcher for top gun.
@OdaiNekromos
Ай бұрын
i farmed for this weapon and i am so disappointed with it, the fact the debuff is 1 sec. makes it completly useless, the Moment you see it, it´s gone allready no time to use any ability or to get of more shots.
@thorinhannahs4614
Ай бұрын
@OdaiNekromos So doesn't that mean it works well with characters that like to use DoTs? Also, does upgrading the ability affect duration?
@OdaiNekromos
Ай бұрын
@@thorinhannahs4614 Dont see DoTs making any impact on this, you have to be very lucky that the dot ticks on the moment you have the debuff on the enemy. Increase duration would be my only hope for this weapon, wasnt able to gat a 2nd so far.
@OdaiNekromos
Ай бұрын
@@thorinhannahs4614 just tested with poison dots, the damage stays fixed once the dot is applied, doesnt matter if you apply 20 stacks of prey on the enemy. :/ also python has a really low status chance.
@thorinhannahs4614
Ай бұрын
@OdaiNekromos I was thinking Valby's DoT more specifically. As it strips non-attribute resistance. Well, maybe there is hope for it with a weak point build. I am going to try to farm up some Smithereens and stack crit damage on it to see if it is any good. I just really want it to be good.
@MrHaggyy
Ай бұрын
I'm currently cooking a handcannon secondary to my thundercage. A really high crit weapon is great to get void bosses out of their frenzy state, as they are not weakpoints. Sniper are crazy too, but i don't like them exept on Sharen and Glay.
@JTZMansur
Ай бұрын
It's funny that with the new hotfix, they said Gley doing crazy damage is within the scope of the game haha.
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