What each tier means: Top Tier: Highest win rates and any comp in it can beat each other. Great: Still can get the highest ratings/ranks but typically has to do some comp dodging as well as be BiS + play amazingly to be able to beat the top tier. Good: Can beat anything but will have losing matchups against anything in the top Tier(mostly) and will struggle with some of the comps in Great. But can still take games off of them. Viable: You can play it and win, but will almost always lose to the top tier comps. It's very hard to get high rated with these but if your BiS, very good, can still break 2k+ rating. Meh: Meh
@oskar1341
2 жыл бұрын
You're definitely not a content creator, creating content for views and revenue. You truly love what you put out, and it shows. What a comprehensive two videos. Keep it up!
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Thanks Oskar I haven't seen a comment from you in a bit :) I first read the beginning of the comment like: hmm where is this going haha.
@oskar1341
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 feel honored that you remember me! Yeah, was working on some irl stuff, kept me busy from my online life haha. That was my intention a bit :D little teasing before the compliment. Just a way to express my gratitude for your efforts and kindness :). Gl and keep on keeping on!
@Olivier-iv1mf
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice part 2 ! Lot of nice advices / informations. A must have to share to friends who wants pvp :)
@TimC1517
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great content! Really loving it man, keep up the good work.
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support Tim - Will do!
@denverdino6052
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Apex, cool video. Which comps/classes would you say Ele+SP would struggle most against as well as which they would do well against?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Holy pally warrior is always a big struggle as well as ret/MM. Shadow PR/Sub is also extremely difficult. And then besides those Shadow/frost mage is very difficult but it is doable. Just have to outplay them a lot with tons of good play, wind shears, groundings, and good positioning.
@denverdino6052
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 Damn, was hoping the comp would be able to outheal the S5 warriors and then win on dmg with MD bubble/Purges so we could farm the expectedly most popular comp before it spins out of control in later seasons
@Magetastic69
2 жыл бұрын
Great content, keep it up 👍Few comps were missing, I was surprised since there was so many on here that Ive rarely ever seen. Didn't see Boomy / Fire on the list, which struck me as weird cause I thought spicy chicken is maybe the best comp for both of them. Another one to consider is Resto Druid / Frost mage. The amount of CC this team has you can keep someone cc'd until sheep DRs are reset and can almost perma keep someone out of the game. It's better than I thought it would be playing it some and S5 with druid at a stronger position than later might be something that should be on the list. Maybe I need to rub my eyes and look at the list again and i'd see them there but those are a few I think are missing lol.
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah boomy fire is decent and it should be there near frost mage/boomy and yeah rdruid/frost mage I have no idea how good/bad that one is I'm curious to see as I don't recall playing against this one much if at all
@gromit8403
2 жыл бұрын
Yo apex great tier list, was wondering tho how rdrood affli lock / destro was better than ele destro ? Thought rdroods are kinda weak and ele was insane. Ele lock feels scary to face with low resil.
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Rdruids are the weakest of the 4 healers imo. But they synergize really well with locks who are extra strong early in wrath. Ele destro just has the one major weakness of being able to get run over particularly by ret/MM or SP/rogue. And ele is pretty scary in general I agree which is why I'll be playing one:)
@fizzlebank
2 жыл бұрын
Any plan on doing this for 3v3?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
I might, but I don't think the 3's list changes _as_ much as 2s. I still feel the top comps in S5 are what I put in my 3s tier lists. But there are some small additions/changes
@huguesbitault7242
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video great content! I just have a question. You're always promoting preg as paladin dps in top tier, does it mean basic retri spec is not viable anymore?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
My next video is a preg/ret guide. It will answer a lot of your questions. But Ret is about = to Preg. It's just less known and very powerful. Preg does better in certain situations while Ret does better in others. Both are extremely strong for all of wrath. And in particular they both scale well with gear
@huguesbitault7242
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 Thanks a lot for your response! I'll pay a lot of attention to your preg/ret guide. Thanks for publishing such nice content on wrath!:)
@nickmacdonnell2826
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome ranking list! gives my arena partner and I much to discuss :)
@bens9450
2 жыл бұрын
For someone planning on doing SOME raiding (no where near shadowmourne or trinkets that have all DPS wanting, like DST), with a hpally friend, is still rolling warrior a good idea? Or is Unholy DK + hpal a better solution? Are one of those comps easier to play to 2-2.2k?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
The DK would be easier. But I would just play whichever you like more and are better with. Warr in the first season doesn't even need that much pve gear anyway. Just some BoE's and ideally the cape/weapon off Kelthuzad 25
@wholawl
2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious to know more about the hpala/ele mystery, for u to rate it as a top comp but not be sure about it, would love to know more about why u think this comp can outperform the lock/rsham variant in s5.
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
It probably would struggle against lock/rsham in particular but overall I've heard it can do well against warr/hpal from some good warriors. They just don't have their armor pen yet and ele has so much armor so they can mitigate a lot of the damage yet still have their massive burst. We will see!
@landy8063
2 жыл бұрын
How is rm rp only in good when hydra and kalimist played it to rank 1 on the ladder overall? I’m excited for my enhance having so many high tier combs tho:D
@landy8063
2 жыл бұрын
And pm
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Well Hydra + Kalimist are amazing and I think they could get rank 1 on a variety of comps so it's more of their talent shining imo. And also I'm not sure if what you're referring to is recent or an old meta with different balance patches as well
@niclasnygren4510
2 жыл бұрын
How about the rest of the prot warrior comps? Are they all Meh? Ret/ProtW for example
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah prot warrior in 2s is just meh. Later on when they have massive pve gear they can somewhat work but I don't think any of them are in the top 2 tiers, even 3 imo
@HSDRGSO
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, how do you feel about gemming haste vs resil on disc or on ele sham? Both are the same gem color. I hear you want a rly high resil on ele for example. But I know haste is good too. When should you gem for more resil and when for haste assuming you are not capped on any?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
I'd go resil in almost every circumstance really. Haste _is_ amazing on ele and a bit on disc too. But resil is too important imo. I think one of the few specs/classes that can gem haste and actually be better is mages, frost in particular.
@HSDRGSO
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 would you agree resil becomes even more important late game for these particular classses because warrior becomes so strong with bryntroll/shadowmourne showing up? Or is resil better early in the first phase because your gear has less of it in general?
@srhill688
2 жыл бұрын
It just has to be said that yes, certain comps are stronger than others. Just like some racials are better than others. But in the order of things that matter most when actually winning a match and based off the UNDENIABLE way statistics factor into the leaderboards things like game knowledge, positioning, communication, comfort on spec, gear, etc. FAR outweigh the comp in many cases. The problem presents when you choose something you should be dominating with but still lose. It feels really bad. When you win, you should be winning so it doesn't feel as good. When you pick something you're comfortable on and enjoy its that much more rewarding. So if you're deciding on a class based purely off a tier list and you'll be playing against people who have YEARS of experience with their class you're in for a rude awakening when hpal/warrior doesn't carry you as far as you think it will.
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I fully agree. Well said.
@stevo6178
2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry if I missed it but how is some scooby doo comp? I pushed 2.4k in tbc as ret rogue and wanted to keep it rolling in wrath.
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing in 2s especially at the beginning. Falls off a little bit later on but nonetheless good. 3's it's a little weaker but once again is low t2 or t3 at worst
@stevo6178
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 thanks for the reply! Always appreciate your videos dude!
@tiagoferrari2392
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man how would you compare Rets to Ferals in pvp, mostly BGs and 2s? Like tankability, damade and fun overall?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Well the fun aspect I think is pretty subjective. _But_ in my opinion I think ret is tankier, has more utility, better in battlegrounds, but in terms of 2v2s they are about = to each other I'd say. Pallies are just amazing throughout all of Wrath and if you spec ret you can basically play preg, ret, and prot which is a nice bonus all with the same gear(give or take a few pieces).
@tiagoferrari2392
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 Awesome man, thank you for all the kind answers! Do you think there's a somewhat OK PREG build here in the pre patch?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
No preg doesn't work until you have both reckoning and sheath of light so that would be mid 70's at the very least. I just came out with a pally preg/ret guide that covers 70 builds:)
@tiagoferrari2392
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 I'll stick to prot then, easier to lvl as a tank when WOTLK comes out too... Lemme ask one more qestion (sorry about all that), but hows gearing Preg Pally? Does it need a lot of raid gear? Also, does it work in earlier seasons, like season 5 and 6?
@hkannx2694
2 жыл бұрын
@@tiagoferrari2392 check out his new video its all about preg/ret
@Ali-kv9dz
2 жыл бұрын
Is there prot/preg there? And what are your thoughts on it?
@TheSaydon
2 жыл бұрын
Your tierlist is SOOO good. :) You did a really good job there. Btw I'm playing top 10 warmane in s6 (the warrior you showed for S5 bis list) and i can say that u might put war/hpal a bit too high. There would be almost no hpal/war in the current ladder besides me without script and damages hacks. Sadly i faced all the other hpal/war teams and every movements feels like robot a they do like 50% more damages on wounds ticks for no reasons ;) Warrior rage starved a lot and it makes it really hard against Hpal/elem, Preg/enh which i gave a lot of points ^^
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Hey nice! And thanks I spent a lot of time thinking about it but it's been a few since I played on a seasonal. I do agree that scripting warriors are definitely at the top of the ladder pushing some other comps out. The rage starving that happens with warriors is the main reason I'd put them lower I just wasn't positive where they should go as the comp still feels amazing and who knows if somehow people end up scripting on live. Are you playing live too as well as the S6 seasonal?
@MrMadmaxi77
2 жыл бұрын
Was there no feral+MM? Or am I blind? Planning to play this when your healer for jungle is not online.
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Feral MM is on there:)
@MrMadmaxi77
2 жыл бұрын
Ah thanks. I see it now. Was looking for the cat symbol and not bear. Thank you.
@mcmarkmarkson7115
2 жыл бұрын
How do hpala protect against having all their buffs dispelled?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Holy pallies have this broken ability called Sacred cleansing that gives them 30% dispel protection for 10 seconds sometimes when they use their cleanse. The buff is also undispellable.
@mcmarkmarkson7115
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 I see, so hoping for rng but better than nothing thanks for the info
@cochila91
2 жыл бұрын
Do you stream on twitch? I need more content from you!
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
I don't yet but I'm trying to make more content and maybe once wrath officially hits I'll start streaming :O
@cochila91
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 please! I want to watch your arena matches! Also, which realm you playing on?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Grobb! At least that's the plan for now I'll make a plans video soon since I've had some requests. I will also be posting a lot more about arena matches and comp guides when we can do arenas:)
@damianpajdzik8778
2 жыл бұрын
resto shaman affi is really that good? i'm excited
@alaneqq1450
2 жыл бұрын
Buda
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
@Damian Pajdzik Yes it's extremely good for ALL of wrath
@sp38cial
2 жыл бұрын
I don't see it, but how about Mage/Feral?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
I'd put it just in viable. I don't think it's the greatest in particular in early wrath
@valaquenta220
2 жыл бұрын
Careful with warlocks: they're super good but the vast, vast majority of people won't be able to play them to their full potential
@mcmarkmarkson7115
2 жыл бұрын
Nobody will play any class to their full potential. Maybe 10 people out of a 100000
@valaquenta220
2 жыл бұрын
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 warlocks are way harder to play than other classes in arenas in wotlk, it's just a fact
@mcmarkmarkson7115
2 жыл бұрын
@@valaquenta220 They aren't, if that was true you could make an argument and not just baseless claims
@valaquenta220
2 жыл бұрын
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Might be because I reached 2400 in 2v2 as a sham/lock comp while playing a lock in wotlk that I'm saying that. Maybe try to verify your sources before saying stupid stuff internet hero
@stonymontana9773
2 жыл бұрын
This is especially prevalent with hybrid classes.
@takeprofit310
2 жыл бұрын
Am I wrong in thinking that disc/war straight beats hpal/war due to offensive dispels and mana burn?
@stonymontana9773
2 жыл бұрын
Priest too squishy . Warrior will target priest and he won’t be casting burns he’ll be trying to stay alive . H pal can tank warrior longer
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
What Stony said is accurate. I played a bit of warr disc (as the warrior) and hpal warr was our hardest matchup no question. But we could win some games when I would be killing the warrior because I could keep them off my priest a little bit. But a priest is far easier to kill for the warrior then an hpal is. And that is the main disadvantage it has. The priest has to be healing the entire game, they barely can dispel let alone mana burn
@takeprofit310
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 makes complete sense actually, thanks brudder
@stonymontana9773
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 have you picked what classes you will play for wrath??
@Dipsy827
2 жыл бұрын
No Shadowpriest Aff Lock, Sadge.
@Blaedi1
2 жыл бұрын
Whats about Feral/Healpala?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty decent in the first season, I should have put it in the lower 2nd tier. It's got bad matchups vs hpal dk, hpal warr, and feral disc. All of which are top tier but it can do really well against mage and rogue teams.
@iamkmt6744
2 жыл бұрын
Feral/warrior?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Very bad comp
@sucramc
2 жыл бұрын
How would you feel about enhance + feral?
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
It's not too bad. I should have put that on the list. It's viable maybe low good
@triptriad1101
2 жыл бұрын
My destro friend and I (Unholy) not on the list at all. Cowabunga it is
@woodwalker7129
Жыл бұрын
It's sad, but afli doesnt exist in eu ladder at all.
@Atloy
2 жыл бұрын
Dang where’s the holy paladin feral Druid
@apexanalysis8348
2 жыл бұрын
Oh no I tried so hard to not miss any good ones. I'd put it lower 2nd tier. It has bad matchups vs disc feral, hpal dk, and hpal warr, all of which are top tier. But it does really well against mages teams and a few rogues teams as well.
@Atloy
2 жыл бұрын
@@apexanalysis8348 thanks for responding. It’s the comp I’m planning on playing and was curious where it lined up vs other comps. As I can’t find a priest
@buttonbasher6998
2 жыл бұрын
make a discord server your channel :)
@holobiont3197
2 жыл бұрын
2s offered no rewards for a reason. Love the work but doing a real bracket would be better.
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