Hey man, thanks for all you do, I appreciate the regular updates and info! :)
@Kaghoegaming
3 күн бұрын
Anytime man! Thank you for always watching and commenting :)
@Jediwarlock
4 күн бұрын
I think another thing to think about is leveling and the world environment... Phase 5 and beyond we are stuck at 60, so I think some people (myself included) who started SoD with "The World is the main character" in mind don't really have much incentive to play or raid often once we reach max level. :P
@Kaghoegaming
4 күн бұрын
Very true! You will love todays video then!
@PVKindred
4 күн бұрын
in my mind - classic only goes to the end of the Wc3 story, anything beyond that is no longer classic, I dont think anyone has been asking for cata/mop classic, but I'd be interested if others are looking forward to later expansions. At that point though, i wouldnt consider it a "Classic" experience Edit: Also, well informed video, I enjoy the coverage of the numbers, I'm personally loving SoD and going through the classic experience
@Jessica-JoshBelton
4 күн бұрын
Life is great. I’m off this weekend. Chollen eating pumpkin pie . Some tacos . Playing sod and watching my boy Kagoe gaming … big chillen
@dangersal
5 күн бұрын
I don't expect to see SoD keep growing statically based off of how it was treated through its lifespan. Anyone that already quit isn't as likely to come back now that we're in endgame content. The only way we may see an drastic increase is with new content that people want to come try out. But even then they'd need to level to 60, and gear up in the current content to be able to do that new content if it's scaled to current raid difficulty. So because of that I see this downward trend continuing unfortunately.
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
Since phase 4 and through all of that it’s had a steady player base at 80k raiders, wouldn’t really say that’s declining
@dangersal
5 күн бұрын
@@Kaghoegaming I said going forward it would be unless what I explained happened. Phase 4 is the beginning of lvl 60 raid content and MC, one of the most well known raids of classic. Lots of people came back for it, some decided they won’t continue. I’d be shocked to see sod numbers continue to rise unless more new content brings people back. In a phase where basically the only new content is class weapons, a world boss and BWL/ZG, it’s not shocking to see some people take a break or play something else.
@SerPally
4 күн бұрын
Yeah i’d agree. Once the endgame moves past pre-raid bis dungeon grinding it is easy to feel that it is too late as a new player. Here’s to hoping it at least continues to remain where it’s at! So far so good. I’ve enjoyed end-game raiding with the new tier sets.
@dangersal
4 күн бұрын
@@SerPally completely agree! I’d love to see SoD spike in #’s or stay around where it is. I love the gameplay of it, I just feel like a lot of people gave it a shot early on and wont pick it up again, or are overly critical on it for mistakes it made previously.
@Corey-n1r
5 күн бұрын
I think a lot of people who are playing are not logging as well. In my experience there isn’t as big of a parse culture in SoD.
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
In BWL for sure!
@AUserCAAP
5 күн бұрын
The company I used to work for had a huge business increase during covid due to all the remote work for IT, now is like SoD just hanging there.
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
Dang yeah to me that’s my best guess as to why numbers dropped quite a bit
@AmongRevenants
4 күн бұрын
@@Kaghoegaming The week TWW dropped our locked realm's numbers were halved. That was before the second exodus to the mega realms. And some players, not realizing they could stay on their locked realms. Likely quit instead of starting over on a whole new realm for just one more raid to come. There was no incentive for non-raiders to start over with only raiding to finish the season. Folks got tired of unrealized promises of new great content still to drop. BS only goes so far, even online. And my guess the devs story that after season we are going to be ported to a fun place for retirement... ... another load of blizz's horseshit.
@Kivrus
4 күн бұрын
And keep in mind- Cata is much more alt-friendly so since those numbers are not real players but logs, there more duplicates in Cata than in sod So I would say SOD is okish. But could be much better
@Kaghoegaming
4 күн бұрын
That too, however we can never truly know
@Bladekaizer
5 күн бұрын
@kaghoeGaming you gotta double the numbers also for the 20 man phase because first 2 phases were 10 man vs 20 man so the numbers are still comparable 88kx2=176k 10 man raids
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
Of course
@AmongRevenants
5 күн бұрын
Two promo MoP mounts were datamined for retail offer, maybe coming soon. If legit, folks think one mount is for retail and the other for MoP Classic. The Covid years were a renaissance for the video game industry. And the streamer/opinion industry. Now it's all about survival and market share in the ever expanding opinion industry.
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
I saw those, but that doesn’t necessarily mean MoP classic
@AmongRevenants
5 күн бұрын
@@Kaghoegaming Why the qualifier "if legit" Datamines are always unverified data.
@AmongRevenants
5 күн бұрын
For all we know. I might be getting those two mounts for subbing another 12 months.
@AmongRevenants
5 күн бұрын
@@Kaghoegaming Looking at Classic Prog compared to SoD. The classic part of Classic Prog. Numbers wise they are similar in how the peak and end. You more or less described SoD. The numbers drop at the end of classic because of Naxx being unfun to a large number of the player base at that point of classic. So all the false hype about more new shit coming out in SoD was not believed by about 80% of the players whole started this season.
@shaunrobinson6
23 сағат бұрын
'If cata fails it could be end of the classic experience' .... 😢
@ahmadalghunaim2467
4 күн бұрын
i believe that cosmetics skins and mounts should be rewarded as u do the hard mode raids while gear and items is the same.
@queenmarsia
4 күн бұрын
cata suuuuuucks😂
@Kaghoegaming
4 күн бұрын
It’s crazy how fast it’s going down
@mikewindsor9520
5 күн бұрын
so basically, what you're saying is that CATA at its all-time low (phase has been out for 4 months----2 months too long) Yet STILL has more players than sod. This seems like a major fail to me on SODs part. AND P5 SOD IS ALREADY losing players. My guess would be by the end of p5 around 50/60k raiders will be left if we're lucky. However, CATA Firelands will probably bring back around 25-50k players as its noted to be one of the best classic raids of all time. It's not looking good for sod at all. Hopefully they still look to do classic plus even with sods short-comings.
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
That’s an extremely pro cata bias take, 5 years of data from the classic project strongly suggests otherwise! As far as sod goes, raiding numbers held very strong in phase 4, I don’t see that changing much in phase 5. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion and time will tell :)
@mikewindsor9520
5 күн бұрын
@@Kaghoegaming when you make next week's video I'll be here to tell you I told you so buddy. And how is it bias if the numbers are the very ones, you read out? CATA still has more players 4 months into a phase, and BWL literally just dropped in sod. Not biased at all just facts. I know you don't want to admit you're playing a game on its last leg
@Kaghoegaming
4 күн бұрын
@mikewindsor9520 the amount cata bias bro it’s insane, SoD is one a seasonal server, and two has been the most successful one. Cata is the continuation of 2019 and the main classic game, the fact it is plummeting this low should be absolutely alarming…. For the record I was one of the 20k at SoDs lowest point
@AmongRevenants
4 күн бұрын
@@Kaghoegaming I haven't missed a singe day in SoD all season. Including the drought. My guess, everyone still bothering to comment about SoD on here. Are all part of that 20k at SoD's lowest point. The daily diehard playerbase that exclusively plays only SoD.
@pureluck8882
4 күн бұрын
Think is not accurate for multiple reasons. Firstly because not many people are raiding (Issues with BWL being ruined by anyone at anytime because anyone can turn off the affix and ruin your raid) and guessing the population is based on number of clears from logs. Then there are players that don't log their runs for multiple characters and there are those that already got geared super easily and got no reason to raid anymore. I would still blame it on the developers though, if they would design systems that could not be abused, it would be more attractive to more players. As is, you risk clearing 90% of bosses with 3 affix and at the last boss you get one guy turning them off and you are done, your save is ruined for the week. The rewards are not worth the risk.
@AmongRevenants
5 күн бұрын
Between te first partial week of P5(Sept24 to Sept 30) and it's first full week(Oct 1 to Oct 7)... CS NA - horde down about 800 toons, alliance up bout 250 toons for a net loss of about 550 toons. WG NA - horde no change, alliance down about 200 toons for a net loss of 200 toons. LF EU - horde up about 100 toons, alliance up about 25 toons for a net gain of 125 toons. WG EU - horde down about 50 toons, alliance don about 350 toons for a net loss of 400 toons. Overall SoD is down 1025 players the first full week of P5. So cannibalizing the realms to prop up 4 servers for Naxx resulted in a loss the first week of P5. And if Classic Progressive is any indicator. The numbers drop drastically in the end phase of classic wow. So the questions are... Does week 1 of P5 follow classic history and result in a major drop off on the journey to Naxx? Or has TWW just temporarily siphoned off SoD's numbers and they will return sooner or later?
@AmongRevenants
5 күн бұрын
And in classic progressive. CATA was always gong to be a ball breaker for Blizz, numbers wise. The xpac was just plain shit, with a few tasty morsels.
@Kaghoegaming
4 күн бұрын
Phase 4 holding strong gives me massive hope personally
@AmongRevenants
4 күн бұрын
The drought after incs was the nail in SoD's coffin. First weekend of P3 with 90% of every realm doing nonstop incs. I felt the season die then and there. And nothing's occurred since that's proven me wrong. Blizz had to make a choice. All in on CATA, or SoD. And as per the blizz experience they chose wrong. All the streamers on the internet. Couldn't convince anyone. CATA is, was, and has always been, shit. What next....a CATA remix?
@cramit79
5 күн бұрын
There are people in org hooray
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
4 layers too!!
@JeezcakesHD
5 күн бұрын
Brilliant clickbait thumbnail hahaha keep it up! Get them clicks son.
@Kaghoegaming
5 күн бұрын
Clickbait??? How? Have used the same one for all the number breakdown videos in the series
@CondemnedInformer
4 күн бұрын
I am a scrub, I still think raids are hard to pug. Two ticks of Thunderaan's nature spell destroys me and Onyxia's cleave mixed with a breath and I am dead within 4 seconds. Just tough, I miss classic raids, they would just fall over and we got loot. I know people think that was bad, but I believe a big portion of the player base plays classic for reasons like that.
@williamfischer7918
4 күн бұрын
bro cata is TANKING
@Kaghoegaming
4 күн бұрын
Massive plummet
@AYE2221
5 күн бұрын
Bring back GDKP us 30 year olds have jobs 😂
@Kaghoegaming
4 күн бұрын
Then it’s just pay to win
@AYE2221
3 күн бұрын
@Kaghoegaming Unfortunately wow will always be pay to win. Just go look at the bots at BRD. They only there because people still buy gold, and of course cause blizz doesn't care.
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