Thanks! I was going to get a Metabo but you've changed my mind just in time!
@dbiwatches1891
3 жыл бұрын
Having watched this vid after I got the saw really got me concerned. I haven't used the saw yet and on reading all the bad fence and accuracy issues made me test mine. Then I realised I've never used a measurement gauge. My old faithful beaten up table saw never had one or a fence for that matter. All my setting up came from putting a straight edge against the blade,marking a pencil line and the taking a measure from that. I'd then clamp the same straight edge to the bed of the table for the size of the piece of timber required. I'll be doing the exact same method but instead of clamps and straight edges I'll use the fence. I've always found that if ever you want an exact measurement on most cutting tools you have to set them up yourself and not rely to much on a measuring gauge. On the table saw I may use the gauge as a guide but I'll then use a tape to check against the pencil lines mentioned earlier. To me this is a true reading of what your going to get when passing timber through the blade👍
@Samwise457
5 жыл бұрын
Dewalt dw745 very loud but amazing accuracy straight out the box perfect cuts every time
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone seems to love it
@CHrisG-ol3ei
Жыл бұрын
Great video, glad you made it , it just confirms what many suspected that the build quality of metabo is not up to standard and their customer service is awful , I have seen other videos with the same complaints on the metabo , I am about to purchase a table saw but after this won’t go anywhere near metabo -- I will pay the little extra and get the Dewalt tablesaw-- every review I have see has been positive and I know that the customer service at Dewalt is so much better as I have dealt with them on other things
@williambuckley1185
5 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a Triton table saw. Triton are very careful about accuracy. I don't think it is the best saw in the world, but I am very happy with it. I am a hobbyist and enjoy my wood work . Some of my other tools are also Triton and I am happy with those also. good luck with whatever you decide to do.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you have found a saw you like.
@williambuckley1185
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop Thank you :)
@michaelevans1658
5 жыл бұрын
That's terrible Matt a refund is in order ,I noticed a lot of paint has scraped off as well . I heard the Metabo has plastic gears also not good. I would go with the Dewalt 745 and buy a pair of ear defenders .
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Its not my ears im worried about
@ThePaulus2010
5 жыл бұрын
Does the Dewalt have metal gears?
@martenveldthuis
5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePaulus2010 Yes.
@michaelevans1658
5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePaulus2010 Hi yes the Dewalt has all metal gears , have a look at Rag'n bone brown's video table saw maintenance on You Tube .
@desreed1
5 жыл бұрын
Agree - the Dw745 is a great bit of kit. If you want a solid fence in the budget you can't do better in my opinion
@01Peebee10
4 жыл бұрын
Ive spent ages researching table saws and I think I'm almost ready to purchase. Its looking to be a Dewalt flavoured saw, preferably the 2000w motor option. I have seen plenty of videos where the built in measures from all table saw brands have been inaccurate and are best off being ignored and to checked it manually with a tape. It does seem to be a common fault across the board.
@chrisvassiliou889
10 ай бұрын
even Festool's CS50 micro adjustment was not accurate
@chazzer56
3 жыл бұрын
It is worth noting that there are two bolts just beneath the front of the sliding extension which hold the measuring rule in position. When loosened the whole ruler assembly can be slid to the right or left along until it's in perfect alignment with the blade. Tighten up and you're back in business. In fairness to Metabo, I think it is unlikely that they would go to the expense of designing and manufacturing a saw without taking this fundamental adjustment into consideration. As far as I am aware Metabo have made various improvements and modifications where necessary to the TS254. In particular I know there was an issue with the thread on the blade lift mechanism which had a tendency to strip on early models. The latest models have more robust threads which are unlikely to wear out. I bought a Metabo Ts254 with wheels recently and so far I'm very happy with it.
@steeleanderson1172
3 жыл бұрын
I just picked one up too but the fence doesn't lock parallel to the blade, any tips on how to fix this?
@mtb1340
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, that’s really bad luck from first viewing it looked like a nice saw. I agree with you I wouldn’t buy one now either.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It was a nice saw, they just need to sort the quality out
@onlycorner5565
4 жыл бұрын
what review is this? 7 days to find an tiny flaw and trow it away i got an product i did not like from start, i made it my own and now i like it even more
@checkbox1234
4 жыл бұрын
thanks for posting this video , i just bought the ts 254 m yesterday checked this after viewing glad to say its spot on. relieved !!
@normanbott
5 жыл бұрын
Glad I opted for the DW745 after all - your initial video had me questioning my decision, especially based on noise. With some appropriate FREUD blades the results are impressive although I have to watch for the rear of the fence lagging the front as I adjust away from the blade. I now 'overshoot' the desired measurement and back up to it. Seems to be OK working that way. Could be just my unit, but the set-up was perfect out of the box.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you are happy with the Dewalt
@paulbrace8098
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt, you’ve just saved me making a bad choice, I looked at this machine yesterday in Yeovil. It was all made up and surrounded by other kit, making it impossible to actually play with it! First looks were good, but I’ve just watched your two reports. No need to say anymore! Thanks again.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I hope you find something good to get. Most people seem to love the Dewalt
@ralphconnell8163
4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful indeed. Was thinking of this saw,, I'm in S. Africa, so , I definitely won't get the back up (all though bad) that you've had. The fence to me, is a thing I want to be spot on. Thanks
@chillyspoon
5 жыл бұрын
Solid advice. I'd wager whoever glued the measurement scale tape on to the saw hadn't noticed that the sliding table was open to the exact position you had to use for your workaround.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Yes probably that. Not really good enough
@angel3ye5
5 жыл бұрын
completely understand where your coming from Matt, its the same with nearly everything you buy nowadays, its all slung together at a premium price so you expect it to perform as it should !
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
True. If they don't change people will go else where
@MrTriphazard
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt. Sorry for the issues you have had with metabo, but I'm glad all the same. Knowing now to not spend my money and waste time on returns in rubbish tools is great. Thanks for taking one for the team! I look forward to see what you replace it with. A non standard brand that's cheaper than the big names would be great, but I'd understand if you didn't want to risk the same headaches.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan. Im getting sick of this now, I need a saw.
@amiddled
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop I never really used the scales on any power tools, especially mid and low range priced stuff. It is more faff, but I keep a little 300mm Shinwa steel ruler next to the saw to measure between the fence and the blade. If you were thinking of a different saw(!), it is worth looking at the Axy AC216TS - still only has 1100W motor, but I find it powerful enough to cut most sensible depth hardwoods etc. There are a lot of improvements over the TS200/Draper/Scheppach clones.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I did look at it but it has the same dust collection as the draper
@amiddled
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop Although you still have semi-flexible pipe at angles within the saw, the whole blade assembly is at least now properly enclosed, so for me, I've noticed it does a better job than the TS200. No saw is perfect I suppose, especially at the sub £1000 level.
@bachacarp
5 жыл бұрын
I bought the same saw table three weeks ago, did not send it in but picked it up myself. Great machine for my work, I bought several saw blades, I am very satisfied with it.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you are happy with it
@FlamesOfThought
5 жыл бұрын
Is the scale right?
@sburge1989
5 жыл бұрын
I think the general consensus is the DeWalt 745 with the rack and pinion fence. I'd either go that route or buy a really old cast iron Startrite saw and build a cabinet around it like your Draper. The DeWalt is a screamer though, RagnBone Brown says his is very loud and he limits use to not annoy his neighbours. There is also the Charnwood saws which are a much larger footprint but have induction motors and cast iron tops. I've heard good things about the 10" model.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
that is the problem with the Dewalt. The charnwoods are basically the same as the draper. I would love an old saw. Not sure I would be able to get it in the workshop though.
@azza1793
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt, after your 1st video i started looking at a Metabo saw as i’m in the market for a new one and really liked the riving knife adjustment and blade lock but phew i’m glad i saw this video and will now avoid Metabo
@Thesidingsworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Mate get the bosch again yes it's not 100 percent perfect but once it's dialled in it works great.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It was good
@janee7995
Жыл бұрын
Had some bad luck with metabo too 1 my ts254 dropped of a truck , everything was bent. Got a replacement 2 wrong safetycap ts216 vs 254 You can imagine what happens as the blade hits the cap. : Something like sawstop 3 got a correct one .
@alanmuddypaws3865
5 жыл бұрын
A timely video, as my next big purchase is likely to be a table saw. Trouble is, it is nigh on impossible to see and feel most tools before you buy. Still, you have given me something to think about. Thanks for posting your review!
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
So many comments on this video say get the Dewalt
@RpR_Makes
5 жыл бұрын
Matt, just gone and had a look at my machine and at 2.28 in your video the measure should line up with the right had edge of the table bed, i think this is where your error lies.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
That makes sense. It has gone back now
@JonatanGottfried
4 жыл бұрын
Hi @Moo Moo Makes, does this mean that there is a way to adjust the fence so that the ruler is accurate? Are you happy with this table saw?
@RpR_Makes
4 жыл бұрын
@@JonatanGottfried from memory there are screw that you loosen off that allow you to move the scale. Mine is dead accurate if aligned correctly. Good little saw, although I don't use table saw that much. My main niggle here that following use I blast off the sawdust with an air hose, however, the grey powder coating to the table bed is coming off and needs painting. If I had my choice again I would buy the Dewalt like the Gosforth Handyman has. I would buy the Milwauke battery one but I cannot spell Milwauke.
@RpR_Makes
5 жыл бұрын
Matt. I purchased one after watching your video. It arrived with a broken mitre gauge and the out feed table was so stiff i could not use it, there were also other bits of plastic lying in the box that had been smashed off by the mitre gauge rolling around the box. I contacted FFX (who to be fair are great) and they replaced it. I think the main issue is how Metabo box these things for transit, i think they just chuck it in a box with no packaging at all. I must admit though the scale on mine is spot on. However, i cannot get the rip fence square despite many attempts. I think Metabo quality control is very poor.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Its a real shame as it could be a great saw. They need to sort it out
@adeh503
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt Such a shame you've had a bad experience with this saw, I've bought this same saw and it's perfect no problem at all, good on you for highlighting the issues but it goes to show you can end up with the lemon
@stevelucas1125
3 жыл бұрын
Great to see an honest review, great help. Keep away from Metabo I think!
@normanboyes4983
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear of the issues. I would give FFX the problem by saying send a replacement that has an accurate tape measure fitted. Then when you receive it if it is not up to standard you can return 2 Metabo Table saws and make a brief video to that effect.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Its gone back now
@alasdairmackenzie515
5 жыл бұрын
Yup. The Dewalt is a little noisy but it works. It works very well.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone seems very pleased
@arranhill2851
3 жыл бұрын
So apart from the measurement guide being off, how did the saw perform?? i personally measure everything first and mark.
@Saxondog
3 жыл бұрын
Same here. I always use a tape from fence face to near side tct tooth anyway.
@thomasforselius3961
4 жыл бұрын
Regarding the fence and the 2cm misalignment- that is because you have to remove the extra part of the fence that is held there with the screws on the back of the fence, why this is I have no clue though
@kangaroogroundboy
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt, I agree, Metabo manuals might as well be in Finnish(which I haven't tried in Duolingo). Having said that I have various machines in the barn that have tape measures glued to them....bit like star signs, if you believe in astrology great. Someone else has mentioned measuring it old school...measure side of the tooth to the fence, trial piece of scrap, adjust if needed. I agree the fence is a disappointment and difficult to set accurately but with a good blade it cuts oak at a fair speed.
@RpR_Makes
3 жыл бұрын
2 year update on my Metabo TS216. Two points I want to raise. Firstly FFX are fantastic and I cannot rate them highly enough, I will never buy from anyone now but them. Secondly Metabo as a company are an absolute disgrace. I will explain. In my last post I mentioned the powder coating was flaking off so despite being used only maybe 5 times in two years I decided to send it back under warranty. After being away nearly 5 weeks it was returned absolutely trashed, the frame was scratched, parts badly fitted and more powder coating chipped off than before I sent it (and that was allegedly a new bed). The feet were all scratched. However, back to FFX I contacted them immediately and within 24hrs they replaced it with a brand new one. My conclusion always buy FFX and avoid Metabo completely.
@MrBez007
5 жыл бұрын
like a mentioned before Matt I have the ten inch version. I must admit I wouldn't buy it if I had my time again. I wasn't going to say that after you got yours, but I've had quite a few problems with it. it was sent back to metabo after three weeks, due to an arbor problem, a lot of the plastic parts have broken and had to be repaired and my biggest problem the table isn't flat.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
That does not sound good
@jameslittle3505
5 жыл бұрын
I have the same saw only cordless and i love it its perfect and very accurate. I think your machine has got knoked in transit and its not getting to 0. Remember Metabo has 3 years warrenty and they will replace your machine. Try contacting Metabo through instagram they are normally very quick on there. And if its helps tell them i sent you to them i know them well. Metabo tools are great i use only Metabo and i love them dont give up. James Little
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I have sent it back now
@bobuk5722
5 жыл бұрын
How would kmocking it change a glued on scale?
@jameslittle3505
5 жыл бұрын
@@bobuk5722 it may have knocked the fence out of square and pushed the pointer off the 0 mark
@karlpopewoodcraft
4 жыл бұрын
Really glad you made this video Matt as I'm searching for a new table saw to replace my Titan and had this one in my basket 🤔 I'm now stuck between the Makita and Bosch. 😏😁 Thanks again for the review.
@Badgerworkshop
4 жыл бұрын
I liked the Bosch. Other seem to love the dewalt
@nowherebrain
4 жыл бұрын
I know this is an older video, but I have that saw as well as two others, but I took that extra part off the fence immediately and didn't have the problem with the fence...the miter slots otoh are not even parallel to one another ...eventually I just built a small table and fence system around it..and it's been fine for over 4 years now...I still recommend a bigger saw...even if they are just going to use it for a hobby..I also tend to recommend bosch or dewalt..no more metabo for me..it's not bad, but it's also not great.
@stephendillon1491
5 жыл бұрын
I bought one off these metabo saws and I can honestly say everything about this saw for me was excellent ... accuracy and ease of set up straight from box was 1st class .... Squareness of cut ... parallelism of cut ... finish of cut etc all good . Have previously owned Bosch and Evolution table saws and this little beauty beats them all hands down . You’ve been unlucky to get a bad one !
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you got a good one and are happy with it
@CamperKev
4 жыл бұрын
I thought that kind of poor big business service was special to Australia. Obviously not. Very disappointing.
@Mastering3d
5 жыл бұрын
Dude get a dewalt 745 you wont regret it ,Best jobsite saw out there 100s of youtube out there making some amazing things using one ,Or get stopsaw imported ,Maybe loud but its going to be loud when cutting there is no getting away from that .
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone does seem to love the Dewalt
@portnaluinge
5 жыл бұрын
+1 on the DW745. Mine hasn’t missed a beat and the rack and pinion fence is a joy.
@hansborgdesing
5 жыл бұрын
IIIZiPIII love my DeWalt aswell. But dont understan why peb talk about noise, all saws are noiesy !
@louiesworkshop2023
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mate, thankyou, another great video, accuracy plays a large role in my work, as a cabinet maker its essential that your tools offer crisp clean accuracy, the metabo you have here is clearly poor, simply get a refund, I see via the comments that viewers are suggesting the DeWalt portable saw, be very careful, it is simply a portable site saw that creates a noise that neigbours will hear for miles, its rack and pin fence is clever but that's it's only virtue, we have had experience with this saw, and my suggestion is opt for an induction model with preferably a cast iron table, yes they are more expensive than the Metabo and the DeWalt but my friend way, way better and the accuracy that you need pal, kind regards Louie Ulster Workshops UK.
@hansborgdesing
5 жыл бұрын
Louie's Workshop in Ireland. Bullock, all saws are noisesy.
@louiesworkshop2023
5 жыл бұрын
@@hansborgdesing A crude response but I will endeavour to educate you, the electric motors found inside the Dewalt and other site or portable saws are brushed motors, the contain carbon brushes, theses motors are extremely loud some reaches near 100db's however with induction the motor and the lack of carbon brushes, these powerful motors are much more quiet and with the right blade for example a Freud whisper quiet blade the saw is neighbour friendly, I hope this helps to allow light into your thought pattern and head!
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Louie. I would love a cast iron saw. I not sure I would get it in the workshop. In the future when I have a bigger space it will be the first thing I get.
@louiesworkshop2023
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop Hi Mate, I have an SIP 10 Cast Iron table saw, great saw, powerful 3hp induction motor and Perfect fence, without its cast wings which are removable it's foot print is actually pretty reasonable, something like 900mm by 700mm, when I set up my shop I did play with the idea of the portable saw market but there was so many issues, the lack of capacity, the noise of the brushed motors, the lack of motor power etc in the end I decided to work alittle longer, save my money up and invest in the big 10, I no i made the right decision, all the best pal I hope this helps and off course it will be down to you, kind regards Louie
@keefykeef
5 жыл бұрын
Well that sucks! I’m still contemplating the flexvolt personally for the quieter motor but not crazy about the idea of it being battery only
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. Im planning some sound tests on different saws
@michaelevans1658
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop Think the Dewalt around 85 decibels but a bloody great saw Matt .
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
85 would be very quiet
@michaelevans1658
5 жыл бұрын
@@BadgerworkshopI stand corrected just checked my manual and 96 decibels .
@dlk4318
4 жыл бұрын
Great to know...I was about to get one. I will now definitely rethink.
@amerh4190
5 жыл бұрын
Not sure why you wouldn't just get the bosch again? I was 50/50 between the bosch and dewalt but made my mind up after your review.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It was a good say but not perfect
@Josh_Luijsterburg
5 жыл бұрын
Normally Metabo delivers great working products and great service. Hope it will be replaced soon mate.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@arrkaye
3 жыл бұрын
I was deciding between this and the DeWalt. I was considering the 254M version of this saw, and I have just had a good experience with the Metabo Mitre Saw and Band saw. It sounds like you've had an unlucky, probably rare, experience with the quality of this saw, but I have had similar issues with communication with Metabo customer support. I think that's enough to nudge me towards Ol' Yeller.
@Pvandemeent
5 жыл бұрын
Looks like I’m the only one who’s satisfied? Got the same saw 6 months ago. Everything was perfect. The ruler was accurate, only had to adjust the plastic thingy only About 2 mm. Maybe Metabo sends the good stuff to the Netherlands and the bad ones to the UK🤣
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Haha maybe. Glad you got a good one
@Mr_Judge_Benny_Hinn
5 жыл бұрын
They don't like Badgers, I've heard ;)
@NotJustSawdust
5 жыл бұрын
There could be some truth in that... I always wondered why Metabo tools are much cheaper in the UK than in Germany. (I bought my Metabo 330 thickness planer in the UK and including shipment, it was 150 Euro cheaper than in Germany... and 350 Euro cheaper than in here in Portugal. I don't have any mishaps with it though, it works fine)
@yoghurtusscleropus8188
5 жыл бұрын
Second that. I've also bought it in the Netherlands and haven't found anything wrong with it. Ruler was accurate straight out of the box.
@wayward_dom6865
5 жыл бұрын
After your first review I really liked it and was looking forward to maybe getting one in the future. Now I'm not so sure and possibly going to spend a bit more and get a Bosch.Nice vid as always, Thanks Matt 👍
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I really liked my bosch
@ukhottubs
5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done, think it’s great you have a platform to do this, Please don’t give in if they all of a sudden offer to sponsor the channel. Stay true 👍
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon
@BR0KEdownUNDER
3 жыл бұрын
Was looking at getting one of these after watching your HC 260 Planer/Thicknesser Review, figured despite the supposed ball ache of putting it together they'd both be decent mid range buys. Will be avoiding the table saw now and potentially the planer/thicknesser too! Maybe best to just use the money for a higher end table saw and save for the planer thicknesser?
@noskills9577
5 жыл бұрын
Matt, take the fence extension off and try to recalibrate the scale. As far as I can see you should only be using the L shaped extension if you've got the side table extension in use. If you are using the side extension I think the fence extension gets fitted but not in the way that you have it there. Please message me if your not sure what I mean, I have a cheapo schepach (sp??) saw at work with a similar fence and table extension set up.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It clearly shows it with the extension on. Also it is not designed to be removed. When off it leaves a bar on the fence so cant be used without it.
@noskills9577
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop different from the shitapach then, they use the L shape when the tables extended - it goes with one face on the fence and the other as a support for the material being cut (as there's now no table cos the extension has been pulled out). That's annoying- I thought it was just metabo's tragically bad manuals at work again and not pointing stuff out.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Its a shame as i did like the saw
@noskills9577
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop shame indeed
@davidcrandell1172
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, great video. I'm looking at he TS254 which is the only one available in my neck of the woods. I'll look a bit closer after seeing this. Thanks for posting.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Hope you find a good one
@22illingworth
4 жыл бұрын
I live in the republic of Ireland and it is IMPOSSIBLE to purchase any type of table saw here...... Rant over. What table saw did you decide to go with in the end? I have looked at this one, the Evolution product, Triton.... and none seem to have any stock or suppliers here. I am left wondering if I should just shell out 700 hundred euros plus and get a Dewalt at least I know it is a great product. P.S. I am only a hobbyist also and not a professional..
@CHLA94
5 жыл бұрын
Dewalt DW745. It's worth it mate.
@farmingbrit4611
5 жыл бұрын
I got the dewalt too, it was a toss up between that or the makita and I am happy with the choice I made
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone does love the Dewalt
@Jamespendle
5 жыл бұрын
I second this. Its noisier than noise itself but very very accurate
@kiteless1
5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your review of the DW745! 👍🏻
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Haha maybe
@FrozenMonkeyG
5 жыл бұрын
Bought the metabo planer/thicknesser and if it wasn’t for your video not sure I’d have gotten it together. For saws I’d recommend the Dewalt DW745.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
So many people are saying the dw745
@PhilKimber
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt and bad luck. Know how annoying it is to get faulty stuff delivered. For info, I'm still using your old type of table saw, the Bosch 10J. Had it 3 years now and it's still good. Got it on a stand, but I liked your table saw work station video and I'm thinking of making one. Like your channel, cheers.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It is a very good saw. The bench made it even better
@ThePaulus2010
5 жыл бұрын
I can understand your comments here, but as a user of the metabo TS254 I have not seen any of the things you mentioned.. I do think your supplier is also at fault here a bit by not supporting you better.. My fence is spot on. It's straight and none of the defects you were showing are on mine.. I find it hard to see a good companies name get dragged down.. Because it's a good quality saw (in my opinion) . Again it's horrible how yours came to you, but it seems to me that it was a refund model or something.. Like someone used it for a while before you got it.. I would go for the replacement saw just to double check if it's the same.. Maybe metabo should go and see this I just know they would be ashamed and would fix you up. Good luck!
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul it has gone back now.
@ThePaulus2010
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop for replacement?? I went into the shop last night just to double check for me it's all good. In any case just wanted to give another users perspective.. Metabo is a good brand.. Far better some other companies.. I do know there is some difference in capabilities between the 216 and 254 but your saw had some defects that were not correct at all I hope you get your money back a good metabo or a good other saw..
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Just for a refund. After my problems with the Metabo planer, thicknesses im going for another brand.
@geo4681
3 жыл бұрын
*Excellent review mate! glad I've watched this first before buying. I really thought it was a good quality product.*
@johnfithian-franks8276
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, While looking at the saw I think if you removed the "L" bracket the fence would be correct, but again why should you have to mess around?. I think your decision to get a refund is the right move and it doesn't look good for Metabo.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It has gone back now
@markharris5771
5 жыл бұрын
I've used FFX through their eBay account and I have to admit their service is usually very prompt. I recently bought a fold away Erbauer table saw off Screwfix to replace an extremely dangerous saw from Aldi where the entire motor shifted in its mounting whilst I was using it. Spark we’re going everywhere and the blade was totally out of control, when I say it was dangerous I mean I was terrified. I phoned Scheppach, who are the customer service for the saw and the very nice lady said this is a common problem with the saw. As their manual had Einhell on the bottom of every page that’s me never touching Aldi, Einhell or Scheppach again. If they are aware of this problem the saw should be recalled. My Erbauer was very easy to put together, and I have upper body difficulties that usually make this sort of thing very difficult. My issues are the laser light came without a battery and somehow I lost the on of switch before I could get one and the rail for my fence dented with what must have been the very slightest know. If these saws are supposed to be mobile then I think they should be a little tougher. But besides that, thus far, the saw is excellent but you have to allow for something like a three mil kerf. My Aldi saw destroyed my good Diablo blade. A good and honest update which many people wouldn’t have done. Well done, people need to know when things go wrong.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have not had much luck with saws either. Im glad you have one you like noe
@leebg2665
11 ай бұрын
The ruler is bolted on and must be moved either left or right to reach zero on assembly. I guess you only eyed it on.
@davel8361
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, sorry about the problem your having with the saw but I'm in the same boat. I've just received the same saw (ts216) and the fence measurment is the same as yours, nearly 2cm out plus my fence is broken where it connects to the rail. Ringing Tools4Trade up in the morning to send it back.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thats terrible Dave. They need to sort the packaging out.
@davel8361
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop just rang them up and been told to send pictures. They say they might have to send metabo to pick it up for repair...Oh and there's a £14.99 charge for me to send it back. Going to check their policy for returns because I haven't had it more than 14 days yet.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thats not good. If they have supplied a broken product, I don't see why you should pay to return it.
@davel8361
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop sorted it now Matt, they've just rang me back and said they will replace it tomorrow free of charge. Fingers crossed it's ok. By the way great vids, love the channel Matt, keep it up cheers..
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you got it sorted
@davydmir6565
5 жыл бұрын
Have you thought about a used machine? Id recommend the wadkin ags 12 On ebay there about £500 and at auction you could get it for less. The only thing is maybe a slight adjustments here and there but for a 40/50 year old machine that was made properly you can't go wrong.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
They are either 3 phase or 16 amp and I don't think I would get one in the workshop
@Panzer-IV-70VTank-Destroyer
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Matt. I was planning to buy a Metabo. But given your second review I'm not going to do it. Now I don't know which table saw I am going to buy, but I am disappointed with Metabo. Maybe you can advise me which table saw is good. I have a budget of 600.00 euros.
@Badgerworkshop
3 жыл бұрын
Lots of people like the dewalt one
@Panzer-IV-70VTank-Destroyer
3 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop thank you. I myself also thought of dewalt or bosch table saw. I'm going to check out dewalt one and bosch review anyway.
@NomadMakes
5 жыл бұрын
I have a shop with horrible ventilation. How did the dust collection work out?
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Seemed pretty good
@darrenpaulgreen
5 жыл бұрын
I feel your frustration Matt. Absolutely agree for £300 it should work straight out of the box. And nothing annoys me more than poor customer service, don't blame you for losing faith. As others have said, saw isn't for for purpose so under Sale of Goods Act you are entitled to a full refund. I know you were worried about the noise, but I really would recommend the Dewalt 745. Go have a look at Andy Mac's and make a decision on whether its for you when you see it in the flesh. Great video as always.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Darren. I do need to go see Andy
@terryhilder3315
5 жыл бұрын
Matt, you need to join us and get the dw745 😉 I got mine from FFX who happen to have a shop half mile from me.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thats handy and dangerous for you
@terryhilder3315
5 жыл бұрын
Badger Workshop definitely dangerous, many digits will be lost there!
@gordonchapman222
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry about your Metabo being a rusty can opener Matt. But I do think it's good of you to share your experience. I'm researching saws and it seems to be a choice between Bosch and DeWalt. Thanks for sharing
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Both of those are good saws
@gordonchapman222
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop👍
@roltol7539
5 жыл бұрын
Ok thnx for honest review, metabo is nothing related to "profesional" its not high quality its high profit tools. So did you find a table saw thats good ?
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I have a old cast iron one now
@StanLitra
5 жыл бұрын
I noticed that problem last week on ffx tool show. The scale wasn't as bad as on yours but was about 5mm, so that show the built quality is not good. That is right sent it back get refund and find another. The bosh gts10xc looks good.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting that they cant even find a good one to show off at the show
@StanLitra
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop I didn't know if that is fault or needs some adjustment but after your problem I know the scale was out. It is shame really. I was thinking the metabo should be good option but looks like is not as good.
@lankydan74
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Can i ask if you are happy with the performance of the metabo thickness planer? Was thinking of getting one of them. Cheers
@Badgerworkshop
4 жыл бұрын
Yes it is a good machine
@lankydan74
4 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop that's good to know. Thank you. Just need to finish my mancave now... 😊
@montymole2151
5 жыл бұрын
Also thank you for the video and honesty as I was seriously thinking on getting the planer thicknesser that you have but with that kind of customer service I am going to just save up and get the Axminster craft for £800.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Axminster seem a good company
@montymole2151
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop I have only used them via Amazon a few times on some smaller items but I feel happy to spend the money with them for something this big but it will be collected from store so I know its going to be safe on the journey home we have a branch only 10 miles away
@stretchcvboots
5 жыл бұрын
It may just be me Mat but I think that you have bought a saw at the lower end of the price range that seems to be basically a good saw in that price range. You have a problem with the stick on measure that could be easily fixed, I think your expectations of a saw at this price point are to high as was the same with your previous saw. If you need a saw spot on out of the box you need to spend a lot more money.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think expecting something to perform as advertised is unreasonable
@user-oy4gf6ck5u
5 жыл бұрын
That was disappointing . I didnt expect to be damaged too soon , what would happened after 6 months using it -and not to be accurate . Also it was disappointing that the did not call you back , i really hate that . I think you should replace the parts just to see if it is something random or that is the way they make it . I m really sorry for these problems . At school we have a metabo bench band saw and had good reviews so i expected the same , but these is out of the list for future purchase.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I have sent the saw back now and won't be getting another.
@mohammednizam525
Жыл бұрын
Metabo never responded back to any of my messages either. It's a shame they will loose customers like this
@berniesr
5 жыл бұрын
HI Matt like others I think that extra bit of fence should come off and you would be ok.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
But that is not how the scale is meant to work
@grahammarkhorn
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt......I've been really happy with my dewalt DW745...also bought from FFX......bit more expensive than the metabl probably at around 500 quid but a solid bit of kit....they do occasionally have them on Amazon with damaged packaging at a discount too if you check regularly.....hope you get it sorted whatever you decide to do.
@grahammarkhorn
5 жыл бұрын
P.S with the caveat that the mitre gauge is pants....as widely commented on!
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Graham. Not worried about the mitre Paige as most are pants
@simonralston4545
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt Glad you decided to return it for refund. Unacceptable to get it like that. Awful quality control from Metabo. I’d go for DeWalt 745. It’s about £400 from Amazon. I have the slightly bigger version DeWalt 7491 and it’s absolutely brilliant straight out of box. Fence is superb, great dust collection and it’s very accurate. Only negative is how loud it is. I don’t work for DeWalt! Wish I did ;-) Good luck getting a new saw.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I do like the features of the 7491
@simonralston4545
5 жыл бұрын
Badger Workshop the 7491 is quality. So happy with it. Can rip 822mm. The price on amazon is very volatile though it goes anywhere from £700 to £1000+ and back again very quickly. There’s a great site camelcamelcamel.com where you can monitor prices setup alerts and wait for it to drop.
@alexnosheds
5 жыл бұрын
That’s annoying. Looking at that L shaped bracket on the fence. What if you removed it and calibrated again- there’s no need for it during routine sawing and on the DW745 it folds away onto the other side of the fence when not in use, making the scale dead-in accurate. I suspect they put it on there for silly reasons. 😿
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I would do that but it is not as easy as the Dewalt and that is not how the scale is meant to work
@alexnosheds
5 жыл бұрын
Badger Workshop fair enough. The quest continues :-)
@pauldargon1218
5 жыл бұрын
That’s a shame mate, plenty more out there. I just got the Evolution Rage and for the bucks, it’s pretty good!
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you found one you like
@Mr_Judge_Benny_Hinn
5 жыл бұрын
You might have contracted 'moaning Minnie's disease'... quite common among KZitem woodworkers and highly contagious! 3 options for you...Bosch GTS10XC / DeWalt Boeing 747 / MAKITA MLT100 or you do a 'John Heisz and build your own... After watching this video I might upgrade my table saw as I'm not happy with it!...Oh shite, think I have the disease now!!
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I thought people might be interested with my experience of the saw
@Mr_Judge_Benny_Hinn
5 жыл бұрын
We are interested! I was going to buy the TS 254, glad I didn't...Anyway, as someone else has pointed out, go visit Axminster in North Shields...You'll get some good advice there and try out the fish n' chips from the fish quay ;)
@TheStrongwomans
5 жыл бұрын
Go for DeWalt repair centres in the UK great helpline good quality
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
There is one up the road, I must pop in
@FlamesOfThought
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, thanks you very much for your review(s), it's saved my bacon. Metabo TS 216 also sparked my interest on FXX tools due to the price and the outward appearance of a pro table saw (solid cast table top & body, X-Fence rather than T-Fence ) and after you first review I was stoked on on (thankfully & worryingly they are sold out on FXX). My I suggest you place a review on Amazon.co.uk? You can do that even if you didn't purchase through them. It currently has no reviews! I have also found that placing an Amazon review is a good way to get manufacturers attention. Thanks again, found your channel searching for a review of the Metabo TS 216 but now subscribed
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I hope you find a good saw
@milosobrenovic4590
5 жыл бұрын
Sir, can you tell me do you have more complains about metabo table saw exept scale? In my country metabo is 600euro.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I did not use it long as I sent it back
@speshcom
5 жыл бұрын
That old adage of you get what you pay for seems lost on companies now adays. That being said, have you had a look at the new axminster craft range. I have just ordered their cast iron top basic saw for not much more than you paid for that!
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I did look at it and don't think it will work for me
@speshcom
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop fair enough, what about their site saw? Dont mean to sound like an axminster sales rep!
@SimondelaCourt2
5 жыл бұрын
I've first bought the Metabo 216, it was just pure frustration. Sold it, got the Bosch GTS 10 XC, loved it. But wanted bigger, bought an SCM panel saw. Not planning on getting anything better now.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
I did like my Bosch. I think your saw might be bigger than my workshop
@SimondelaCourt2
5 жыл бұрын
@@Badgerworkshop the Bosch was very nice. Well built, very accurate. Just not big enough
@JohnSmith-xq9ze
8 ай бұрын
Remove the auxiliary fence and then it will line up with zero.
@notarobot-markhunte180
5 жыл бұрын
I know you are getting a refund, so all is good but FFX seem to be being a bit out of order there. My understanding is with UK law and in what you describe, FFX have to contact the manufacturer if that is what is needed. Not you. The manufacture will tell you the same thing, they have no duty to deal with you and will likely tell you this. You must go through the supplier whose duty is to resolve your issue. I have had similar run arounds in the past with suppliers until I point this out.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. The saw has gone back now so hopefully it sorted
@Parafinn1970
5 жыл бұрын
I've been looking at Metabo products - had a good chat with the sales team at the recent FXX Tool show in Kent and was leaning their way. But I was concerned about quality. it all feels light and not put together well. I'm glad i've seen your videos - I think i'll spend my money with another company. Sadly, probably gonna have to pay a little more. Metabo's products appears to be budget end and budget quality.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Its shame as they used to be high end
@rossbuchanan7632
5 жыл бұрын
Well, I too was somewhat beguiled by the price and metabo's (self-proclaimed) reputation. Thanks for this video-guess I'll be going Dewalt
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Never heard a bad thing about the dewalt
@kullvaiko
5 жыл бұрын
I´ve had a problem with metabo saw also. It was misalignment problem (saw made twisted cuts) and Metabo refused to fix it or refund it just informed me if you want better results go buy better saw. 700€ is not cheap price for mitersaw.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Its is not very good customer service
@montymole2151
5 жыл бұрын
Just get a Dewalt DW745 I would say having owned a few cheaper models of various makes and wasted time and money, I should of just got the Dewalt in the 1st place but maybe a better quality cabinet saw would suit you tough call I know as space is limited in my own little shop
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
So many people say they love the Dewalt
@blacksmyth
5 жыл бұрын
DeWalt dw745 👍 standard mitre slots too man.
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It looks a good saw
@lluisborrell7539
5 жыл бұрын
Get the dewalt dws745 great bit of kit have had no problems what so ever
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone seems to love it
@lluisborrell7539
5 жыл бұрын
Try that one then
@oscydog100
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt why not make a table Saw yourself.At least it will be custom made to suit your workshop and would make for a great video 👍
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It would be a great project and I am thinking about it
@kevinohara8671
3 жыл бұрын
Have you looked at dewalts after sales its non existent the number of guys iv met who have had switches go on drills is unbelievable I think most firms don't want to know if you get a Friday afternoon model
@Chris-vp9ht
5 жыл бұрын
just get the DeWalt dw745 its a great saw you definitely won't regret it. its a work horse sure it's loud but so is the metabo and the bosch. ffx should just give you a full refund hope you get it sorted
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Christoper. It has gone back to them now
@jimmyfrick9066
5 жыл бұрын
I’m very pleased with my dewalt dw7491 I can recommend it highly
@Badgerworkshop
5 жыл бұрын
It looks a great saw
@eelckebeukema8658
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I bought this machine 2 jears ago because I liked the compact way it can be stored. Well... that,s about the only good thing so far. A little list of what I noticed: When i got mine delivered the fench was also damaged . It was out of agle and they had to sent me an other one. The sliding angle fench on the left side is moving in the slot making it impossible to make a straight cut. There is plastic bits and pieces breaking of everytime I unfold it. You can,t lock the hight of the blade. Last week I was cutting some 2/3 pine. Than the blade started to wobble en got jammed. I opened the motor and found the remains of a cheap ballbearing in all little bits and pieces inside the housing. DON,T BUY THIS MACHINE
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