It definitely has me nervous, especially coming out in the same phase/era as “Captain America: New World Order”. What I’m hoping for is a twist where the Skrulls are wrongly accused/implicated, and/or the real villain is the paranoia the government has about their abilities
@kadegetslaid634
Жыл бұрын
That'd be absolutely horrible 💀 there can be multiple groups of skrulls
@NekoMouser
Жыл бұрын
As with most things, it turns out the real villain was inside us all along...
@jackmonaghan8477
Жыл бұрын
Well at least this doesn't have a certain superhero whose identity is rooted in ethnonationalism and colonialism. Yeah I don't buy Marvel trying to do a "new approach" to Sabra and pulling it off, especially with the writing team behind 'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' (which, with hindsight, was just performative, dishonest, shallow and drenched in the same simping for the status quo as Harry Potter) behind this movie.
@saphcal
Жыл бұрын
ill start off by saying this isnt a complaint of your reaction, i love it and all of them. this one specifically just happens to remind me of why I intentionally spoil myself about media i intent to consume. so i dont wind up in a spot like this wondering and worrying. i just know. i know what its about and whether or not to keep allowing myself to be interested or not. to know well in advance if im gonna want to watch it or not. this might be why ive basically never in my 37 years of life seen a movie (in theaters) that i didnt like or regretted seeing. i find every leaked detail about something i think ill be interested in as soon as i can to not be left wondering, especially in scenarios like this series, which as you mention has potential complications based on how they do things.
@WiloPolis03
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe I haven't noticed before how the Zygons and the (MCU) Skrulls have literally the exact same premise - shapeshifting aliens with often ambiguous morals used as metaphors for immigration. Not saying one ripped off the other or anything, but this is a weird ass coincidence. Is this like a sci-fi trope or something? Edit - Hadn't gotten to the part where you brought up the Zygons before I wrote this, still think it's weird tho
@ErinTheFennec
Жыл бұрын
I'm desperately hoping that if they do anything with the idea of a "bad" group of skrulls, it'll be revealed that they're not in fact bad and are being used as pawns of the Kree, it still wouldn't be perfect but it'd at least mitigate some of the issues by showing that often these groups are used by people in power to spread fear and hold on to their own power, but in a more marvel way
@fredlazarus1088
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for raising the concerns that you did; I am of a similar mind. I hope that Marvel is able to be more nuanced with this previously established mcu-iteration of the skrulls than they were with the flagsmashers.
@wheresmyjetpack
Жыл бұрын
Oh god am I with you on the Zygon Invasion story, as a fan of the Capaldi era (and agree about this too).
@KayleighBourquin
Жыл бұрын
There's a bit were Ben Mendelson's character (forget his name) grabs a guy in a restaurant and everyone else jumps up morphing into him, and then later likely in that shot up convoy we see that same guy but he shoots weird thick tentacles, almost like Groot, out of his arm, which I've never seen a Skrull do before...so, it's possible, that the bad guys aren't actually Skrulls at all...
@omalleycaboose5937
Жыл бұрын
how I would have done the skrulls is have from the very beginning it be clear that the ones in the Captain Marvel are peaceful refuges from say a Kree skrull war, maybe even have it be a mix of Krees and Skrulls and that both planets are ruled by opposing dictators
@pencilpauli9442
Жыл бұрын
Given the invader panic here in the UK and our Conservative government criminalising asylum seekers crossing the Channel in boats from France and the right wing Islamophobic rants about all Muslims being terrorists, I find the clip really problematic. Yeesh
@wajidmannan2618
Жыл бұрын
First Marvel made a film out of Kill the Moon, and now they are making a series out of the Zygon Invasion/Inversion. I wonder what other Doctor Who stories could be given the Marvel treatment.
@romanticrockstar94
Жыл бұрын
I’m wondering if they’ll change the “bombing place”, because that was Russia and well… anything Russia and Ukraine related could be problematic too - as well as the refugee-allegory 🤔🙈
@cyrussoxlegion
Жыл бұрын
I hope they handle this well. It's gonna take a lot of nuance for this not to send the wrong messages to the audience.
@SirStrangefolk
Жыл бұрын
I had already lined up your Zygon Invasion/Inversion reviews in the search bar to refresh my memory on what your take on those was. But seems you were ahead on that.
@HotDogTimeMachine385
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this even when you're tired! 💛 And yeah, total Zygon Invasion vibes. This might feel way too similar to Winter Soldier. (Secret spies among us, nobody you can trust.)
@JenniferFuss
Жыл бұрын
Considering how they did Falcon & The Winter Soldier I have absolutely no hope that they will handle it well @.@ If they do, the trailer failed to hint at it
@Elwaves2925
Жыл бұрын
To be a little fair to Falcon And The Winter Soldier, they were put in a tough place by the arrival of the pandemic. That led to significant changes regarding the baddies and their plans in a big way, seeing as originally it was going to be a virus. I believe this happened after filming had finished (or close to it), so it was largely down to editing.
@TheDCbiz
Жыл бұрын
@@Elwaves2925 that's a rumour and unfounded. So let's not give marvel that excuse. What was Wong with FATWS though? I liked it
@TheDCbiz
Жыл бұрын
What was wrong with FATWS, I liked it
@Elwaves2925
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDCbiz There's more than enough credible info out there to all but confirm it. It's not unfounded and far more than just a rumour. If you don't want to accept it that's on you but you don't get to exclude it I liked it too, which is why I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. It just wasn't the original plan, which I felt might have worked better.
@JenniferFuss
Жыл бұрын
@@Elwaves2925 It doesn't remove the challenge that they presented an opposition with a more than reasonable, alas not centrist / right leaning goal, just to go out of their way to vilify them by rather randomly bombing a building and adding a remark of essentially "f* the civilians". It's as well not only be present in FATWS but as well something they put themselves in a tight spot with in Black Panther. In short, at best they wink at being progressive just to take a hard centrist/right turn. With Secret Invasion looking like it will fit right into the centrist to right approach of "yeah, they might be refugees, but there are some bad apples". Where I have no confidence that they will even ackknowldge the situation as etablished in Cpt. Marvel. In regards to the pandemic and potential other plots. If it is the case, so far it is only speculation, Disney has the money to do a proper rewrite / reshot and/or delay the series. Plus, based on the series I've seen the story change couldn't have been done with editing - it would involve quite some reshoots.
@langleymneely
Жыл бұрын
Apologies but I can’t understand the trepidation. No race or group is a monolith. Captain Marvel doesn’t set up the Skrulls as all altruistic. Also the original comic story is about a religious fanatic group that after the entire Skrull home world is obliterated decide to invade Earth. Within that story not every Skrull is on board with the Invasion. Granted “it’s that way in the comics” is not in itself a good excuse for something but I mention it because the subversion of the Skrulls in Captain Marvel was a direct set up to illustrate the division within their scattered population. I get being nervous about the allegorical implications (ie your Zygon reference) but nothing about the group of Skrulls from Captain Marvel, which was set decades earlier from this, states that all Skrulls are like that. It’s like complaining that villainous human characters in a spy thriller are a huge mistake because so many humans are normally depicted as good. It’s weird to want an entire fictional species to be depicted only one way based on the way some of them were introduced? To each their own but that’s a take I just don’t share or worry about?
@ricohard1986
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that the "immigrants are dangerous infiltrators' plays into a bunch of very not good hard right wing anti immigration policies
@kadegetslaid634
Жыл бұрын
For real
@xenon8117
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, that’s not a thing I’m worried about. Even a single person is unlikely to be all good or all bad.
@patrickgreene5028
Жыл бұрын
I definitely got the sense that Fury was working with the Skrulls and that they were HELPING him cover for his absence. It was in one of the Spider Man movies, I think. I thought that was a really cool slot for them to fit into. Lightly comical, helpful, good natured, and so forth. It could be a good set up for them being misunderstood, and examining unjustified panics, but it doesn't look like that's where they are going. Super uncomfortable with the trailer.
@arubinojr5670
Жыл бұрын
Yes, changing the Skrulls to vulnerable refugees and then just going full-bore it-was-like-this-in-the-comic here is an entire plate of Stomachache Sandwiches.
@mere2394
Жыл бұрын
I was excited for both Shazam 2 and Secret Invasion before I saw the trailers. I hate the term “superhero fatigue”, but the marketing for DC and Marvel aren’t doing them any favors.
@kismete6921
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I rather them doing story on homegrown terrorist which are more common.
@TheDCbiz
Жыл бұрын
They already did that with winter soldier and even a little bit with civil war.
@TheoRae8289
Жыл бұрын
You have all of the exact concerns I have with this. Moreso, given the last how many years? How many times were we told to be scared of a certain group of refugees to the south?
@DJDocsVideos
Жыл бұрын
Someone call me when there's a good comic book movie.
@SaintDharma32
Жыл бұрын
I am wondering if there were any other shapeshifter aliens other than Skrulls in the MCU.
@TheoRae8289
Жыл бұрын
One of the things that made the Skrull so dangerous in the comics was the Super Skrulls who were basically an amalgamation of various super heroes (especially mutants) power sets. One good thing that came from it was we got Hulking, who ended up marrying I think Wiccan.
@karibee4968
Жыл бұрын
I really want this to be good… I actually had no idea this was about the Skrall (I don’t really remember Captain Marvel, I haven’t seen it in years). Tonally, the trailer really reminded me of Winter Soldier, and I think we really need that more serious and grungy tone in Marvel again (as I was typing this, you just made the comparison lol)! But you raise some really valid concerns, and now I’m worried. I think there’s ways to make this story good… but yeah. Concern. Also love the shirt, Vera!
@ScoutOlson
Жыл бұрын
If they're going to be introducing Teddy Altman/Hulkling in this series, then it seems like he's going to be their showcase of "the good Skrulls".
@SirStrangefolk
Жыл бұрын
Isn't Talos still one of the good Skrulls anyway? Hulkling being their example would be kind of weird since he's also 1. royalty and 2. half Kree (and the Kree are the reason the Skrulls became refugees in the first place).
@IceNixie0102
Жыл бұрын
Don't be silly; the FlagSmashers were clearly the heroes of their story.
@edselgreaves6503
10 ай бұрын
They should have made S.A.B.E.R. not simply the replacement for S.H.I.E.L.D. but instead the base of operations where Nick Fury and Captain Marvel could strategize with the Skrulls on how to fight the Kree who took over their home planet. Captain Marvel 2 and 3 should have been about Kree-Skrull War with Carol acting as a James Bond type of hero who establishes a strike force to take them down, and then later on maybe like another decade from now when we have more heroes in the mix that's when they should have made Secret Invasion with a small faction of Skrulls who didn't go through with the plan and chose to take over Earth instead. This would have given more time to establish a difference between the older generation of Skrulls who just want to go home and the younger generation of Skrulls who are radicalized and violent.
@knitcrochettiger361
Жыл бұрын
in the comics....there are 2 factions of Skrulls...that's all i will say about that
@arsenalfansince1994
Жыл бұрын
this show looks very good
@Jen37978
Жыл бұрын
I feel like Marvel is going to start telling us to ignore previous cannon, if they haven’t started to do it subtle already. I have the impression They don’t really know what they’re doing with this phase .
@thebasementfilmgroup
Жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw that trailer, I immediately thought "zygon invasion".. as a DW fan its hard not to see the comparison.... and yep... it makes me nervous too. Let's hope we are all wrong 😀
@JustinAshbrook
Жыл бұрын
There's a theory that the bad Skrulls in this are motivated by when Nick Fury committed to finding the Skrulls a new home and 30ish years later, still hasn't. Curious about if you think that's problematic if true.
@BreakRoomofGeeks
Жыл бұрын
Implying that an immigrant population will turn on the general populace if they don’t get what they want? Yeah that’s not really much better.
@superkid801
Жыл бұрын
Good reaction, I can understand how you feel, we shall wait and see what will happen. I get your frustrations on this, also mentioning that two parter, I get, but we shall see what they will do
@voltijuice8576
Жыл бұрын
Zygon Invasion/Inversion was what I thought of too! Doesn't look promising, but I'm not actively avoiding it based upon just this. It's not a great trailer overall, since I am more interested in the story than the vibe. As an old I grew up with paranoid conspiracy thrillers so that needs to be something special to draw me in. The Winter Soldier movie I dug, but I am skeptical that this will be as good. Wouldn't mind being happily surprised but it's just not a priority watch.
@jasoningramx3731
Жыл бұрын
To me personally I think it makes complete sense that there would be "bad" skrull and "good" skrull which I don't think it would be that black and white anyway not should it but you have to keep in mind not all the skrulls are gonna think the same and a lot of time has passed since Captain marvel so we don't know all that has happened to them in that time. It seems like that promise that CM and Nick fury made to them about finding them a home and being in the open has not been met and Thier tired of waiting and if the idea is that there a warring factions about what to do that's realistic it gives these characters more nuance and depth instead of the refugee's waiting to be saved by a white flying lady lol
@Supermanuel
Жыл бұрын
Do skrulls have tentacle abilities? The bad guys seemed to have those. Nothing about this trailer led me to believe the skrulls were the bad guys and marvel has a history of using comic story titles and pasting them over similar but in name only plots
@TheoRae8289
Жыл бұрын
That one ability I think is a cornerstone to the Super Skrull specifically. In the comics they had the abilities of just about every major hero, especially mutants. This would be a fucked up way to introduce Hulking if they want him in the young avengers they've been teasing since the phase started.
@langleymneely
Жыл бұрын
So who’s going to mention that theres a Spiderverse trailer coming tomorrow morning!? Lol 😬
@TheDCbiz
Жыл бұрын
Which one looks from trailer like they are better fleshed out, flag smashers or skrulls
@Tuaron
Жыл бұрын
To engage in the general concerns but not the specifics, I will say that allegory is something that comics (I know Marvel best and will likely cite examples from it, but I'm confident DC and even others have this problem) often bungle. My best example is X-Men, as there is a major flaw in using mutants as an allegory for minorities facing racism/discrimination: they sometimes/often have really dangerous powers. That means that authorities and figures who fear them have something of a reasonable basis to do so, even if most mutants are good - many are dangerous, often accidentally (given how mutant powers often manifest around puberty, quite unexpectedly and during a moment of heightened emotion). That's not great for the allegory of other minorities, because there is not such inherent danger in the real world "equivalents"/"parallels" writers attempt to draw. There still is a wellspring of ideas and things that could be said and explored through the X-Men & other mutants, but the allegory's always been built on somewhat shaky ground. I think that issue's a reasonable comparison to the one raised here (as are the Doctor Who & prior MCU projects), just showing that...well, it's never been the best in comics, and it's something that often gets worse as other creators want to utilize things in a different way (which seems to be something of the situation here). BIG SPOILER WARNING FOR A RECENT STAR TREK SHOW SO DO NOT READ BELOW IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY RECENT TREK SHOW SPOILED (I don't want to specify which because that kind of automatically spoils it, so if spoiling *any* recent Trek show is an issue for you, I recommend caution) NO SERIOUSLY, I'M TRYING TO BE FAIR WITH THIS WARNING. There is a part of me that does wonder if this show might run into some unfortunate similarities to the current season (3) of Star Trek: Picard, in which the shapeshifting villains had been prisoners tortured by "the good guys" and are seeking revenge (maybe some ST:Into Darkness parallels for that, too) - I also wonder if they might be brainwashed (overriding control or simply misinfo style) to do bad stuff on behalf of somebody (likely Olivia Colman's character, in a late series twist).
@NekoMouser
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I was in the small "never wanted this anyway" camp, seeing as how we'd already done the whole "enemy hiding amongst you" thing with Hydra and this just feels like a creatively void and repetitive fare. BUT...if that's what we're going to get regardless, I'm in total agreement with you. Even without the negative immigrant/terrorist connotations (which only make it that much worse), from a storytelling point of view they set up the Skrulls to be one thing and now it seems they're just going to retcon them into being something else. Maybe we're wrong and something else entirely is going on--and I really DO hope that is the case--but if this is just an "oh noes! Skrulls were bad the whole time...AND they're hiding amongst us just like Hydra did!" affair after the the first 2 episodes, then it may honestly be the first Marvel show I don't bother finishing.
@mattp994
Жыл бұрын
It depends how they frame it. Sure just being 'a minority of skrulls' doing this is problematic. But it could be a more insidious power that's 'using' a subset of skrulls, maybe by promising them something they can't deliver, and the majority of skrulls end up being the true victims.
@ghlmk5931
Жыл бұрын
This may be about a particular faction of the Skrulls. Not all humans are good, some are downright evil, so why wouldn’t an alien race be the same? I’ve always hated the science fiction way of depicting alien races as homogeneous. They dress the same, have the same hairdo, basically look like clones. Every major franchise has been guilty of this at some point. So I like it when distinctions are made. I know nothing of the story, but I’m watching this based on the stellar cast alone. I admire every single one of those actors! As a trailer, it’s quite good. Shows a lot without giving anything away. It feels alright to me. I hope it’s good, the MCU could use a boost right about now.
@jasoningramx3731
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree and the idea of the innocent "good " refugee's just waiting around for the white flying lady to save them wouldn't make any sense not all the skrulls would think the same or be a monolith it's been a lot of time since Captain marvel and we don't know all that has happened to them since then. Plus they were in a war war's are complicated they probably used to be a great empire before the kree came along with there super weapon ( Captain marvel) which still hasn't been addressed on how all the skrulls feel about that and they lost a lot and probably want to get back to how they were
@Frey12
Жыл бұрын
It can't be the skulls, fury has been hanging with them in multiple movies
@AceOThorns
Жыл бұрын
Were Talos's group the only Skrulls left? Could there be another group that took a more militant approach? I'm more at ease with this, and overall I'd trust Marvel Studios to approach this in a more nuanced fashion. Captain Marvel HAS set a precedent that has to be worked around, and I'll wait to see the show itself to come to a proper conclusion.
@ricohard1986
Жыл бұрын
Double crossing the storyline and make the government's fear of the skrulls abilities the actual villain could make it work, make it clear that the actions of the skrulls only occur because of what they've been forced to because of how they've been repressed is about the only I can see to make it work
@pixelgoat7317
Жыл бұрын
I love all the..."DHUUUUUUNS...." ....And,"WHUUUUUUUNS..."
@bobmathis-friedman6742
Жыл бұрын
I hear ya, sister, although I'm hoping that it won't be what I see...
@TheDCbiz
Жыл бұрын
I really like what they did with the skrulls in captain marvel. I like Talos. And I even like the idea of some of them bad. I think that's interesting. Because that's how minority groups are. Just because one trans person commits violence against Christians does not mean every trans person is violent. Same with Muslims or black people or even white people. I think if the show emphasizes that it's only a faction of say super skrulls who are doing that with lots of other skrulls helping stop them or even be convinced to fight against earthlings. Problem is there is little room for error to write a story like that well without being too heavy handed psa or too much on the other side and just demonize basically all skrulls with some token "good ones".
@1monki
Жыл бұрын
I get what you're saying about the refugee element in CM. And I liked that in the film as well. But I think working the concept of "blowback" into the story is not a bad idea. I mean one of the reasons that invading a country (or funding its invasion) is a bad idea is that it causes a refugee problem. The other issue is some of those survivors will, understandably, want revenge in some form. And that can cause all kinds of unexpected, well, blowback
@JH-dh2ws
Жыл бұрын
There's also the issue, at least here, of the Skrulls being promised a new home and a place where they could be themselves and not have to be human....and well it's been about three or four decades since...and there's been no development in that regards (far as we can tell), with a whole new generation having to grow up pretending to not be themselves, with no real home. I can see how a radical faction might form in that case. For those worrying, they did release some articles about the show if you don't mind spoilers that might at least ease some of the worry. I know it did for me x-x
@1monki
Жыл бұрын
@@JH-dh2ws I avoid spoilers, so I'm not aware of anything that hasn't been in a trailer (and don't want to know), but that would also tie into the social problems with taking actions that create refugees because people making the decisions think the problems won't land on them
@mel-burnes
Жыл бұрын
marvel has never been good with carrying over metaphors due to how they handle their various projects and this is it reaching its logical peak. I won't say that i hope the film isn't what it seems to be because I'd lost all hope for mcu years ago and by this point only look into it second- or third-hand out of morbid curiosity, but hell. this might just be mcu's newest low. and don't get me started on their thunderbolts (which to my understanding are marvel's suicide squad?) including Bucky and Elena in their roster, the two people who certainly are Not villains because they were literally brainwashed (not that Raynor from ftws seemed to care). not to mention sam's capam film having a... how to put it lightly. a very _unfortunate_ subheading.
@Dunybrook
Жыл бұрын
Frankly, I think most people only care if Nick Fury does some cool stuff and we get to see a Super-Skrull fighting. My expectations are not that high. I'd be satisfied if it's just a repeat of the Flag Smashers but no worse.
@mikaylaeager7942
Жыл бұрын
I mean I actually think Doctor Who did a decent job with the Zygon extremists after they had already been established as refugees. I’m not inclined to write this off so quickly.
@voltijuice8576
Жыл бұрын
IMO the problem with that story wasn't with how the Zygons were depicted, it was that the humans were all suddenly really stupid about them. It was so hamfisted to have soldiers about to storm a hideout of known alien shapeshifters, and then unprepared when they... changed shape. "Oh no, it's not the aliens! Somehow me mum is suddenly here!" UNIT and Kate Stewart clashing with some prior characterization. It needed nuance, and didn't have any. I did find things to enjoy in it, but as political commentary/allegory it was horrible.
@TheDCbiz
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't look that good I hope it's good. Looks so damn generic spy thriller it's crazy. Did chat gpt edit this trailer or write this show?
@JohnBainbridge0
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. This narrative shift is... Not a good look.
@SarcyBoi41
Жыл бұрын
I'm hoping that having Talos and his family as straight-up heroes in the show will give it more nuance than the Zygon two-parter (the only "good" Zygon taking a real part in the story there was Osgood, who may not have even been a Zygon, and the other "good" ones were ones that simply didn't want involvement in the conflict). But yes, I have the same concerns as you.
@alexandernicholl5772
Жыл бұрын
My personal opinion is I'm not bothered by the Skrull stuff and this is coming from a very political person (and very left wing) but after so much comedy from the MCU lately even though I enjoyed phase 4 I need some serious content and this looks like that
@Robotsneakers
Жыл бұрын
I don't think people would look at the parallels because nobody watched captain marvel
@BreakRoomofGeeks
Жыл бұрын
Yep 5th highest grossing film of that year. Nobody saw it.
@TheDCbiz
Жыл бұрын
This trailer is so bad imo. It's like how generic the Shazam 2 trailer fit but that was like an 8 on generic superhero film, this is a level 10 maxed out spy thriller generic trailer.
@lonewolf6884
Жыл бұрын
I have superhero Fatigue BAD and this trailer doesnt help
@evanmorris6057
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think you’re overreacting a bit. There are different factions of Skrulls. They’re scattered across the universe after being driven from their home planet by the Kree. Many Skrulls are good, others not so much. Y’know, like humans!!
@mindlander
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand the pearl clutching of some refugees being portrayed as bad. Vera must think Scarface is a hate crime.
@glitch84-
Жыл бұрын
Governments everywhere use this exact excuse to build up the public opinion agaist immigrants and refugees. Apparently It's immigrants' fault if there are no job, crime is raising, or you coffee this morning wasnt hot enough. Curious.. it's never government's fault. In short immigrants/foreigners = bad / invaders is a fascist concept used since forever, everywhere
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