Great Videos John. One reason could be, if you gave car to a parking attendant with the green valet key attached, (this makes both secret lock on boot lid plus electric button push inoperable) this could be a way of making sure boot couldn't be popped by fob if both were handed over. This would save the hassle of having to constantly remove the fob from valet key and risk losing it. Would work well on holiday where cars are often parked up by attendants in hotels...
@paulhinkley198
4 жыл бұрын
Hi John, my very loose theory on this is as you suggested a hangover from previous times. My thinking is at some point in Ford's history, this catch was used in side doors (particularly in the rear of a car) and the red lever was somehow connected to a child lock lever, or maybe was the child lock lever, thus rendering the lock unusable to the lever which would have been located inside the door. I think the kidnap theory on another comment is funny but crazy.
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
thanks mike👍
@allanriches9381
Жыл бұрын
That is my theory also
@gsminors
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting feature I have no idea why thats there apart from being taken out of the Fords part bin! Your a brave man taking your car apart to show these things. Take care there. I have a new video coming soon on a very rare British vehicle I have just purchased. Keep the videos coming John.
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
OOooh Geoff you tease!😮
@brian8700
4 жыл бұрын
Hi John, just a minor point, I think your plastic fasteners are in the wrong locations. The trees should be in the visible boot ( trunk) threshold locations and the screw type in the recessed locations...... how geeky is that..... keep up the good work John
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Good thinking Brian👍. Anyone else able to check if my car is the odd one out? If so I will switch them around. It does make sense Brian. I think Access would be better to the recessed ones if they were scrivets👍
@jb944
4 жыл бұрын
@@ToTheGarage Hi Guys. Mine are the other way around too. Scrivits in the recess, trees either side of the lock.
@Paul-tk2my
Ай бұрын
That might explain why he had trouble getting it out
@flyurway
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the others about the "holdover" from other parts. It's a disconnect lever. It looks like the same lock mechanism from any standard type door latch wherein the old days you pushed the lock button down and it moved a lever exactly like that. And those locks didn't actually block anything from moving but rather, disconnected the linkage, so even though the handle would still move it just wouldn't do anything. Power lock solenoids simply threw that lever back and reconnected the latch, but didn't physically release the latch (which would then cause your door to open, not just unlock it). My thinking is that it's that old style latch with the solenoid but, instead of being set up to throw the lever to reconnect, the solenoid is set up to actually release the latch instead, and the original latch disconnect is just left in place because the assembly probably wasn't designed to be assembled without those parts in place. It's just there but never intended to be used. I suppose a couple sparks from a MIG would fix that issue for good!
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
I think now that we have established beyond any doubt that it has no positive use. The Mig is indeed a good idea👍
@scottspurlee8986
3 жыл бұрын
Not a mystery at all, I've seen many of these red levers in the U.S. Almost certainly the latch was appropriated from a Ford passenger car - the rear door specifically. As installed the red lever is easily seen and operated while the rear door is open. It is the child proof locking system. When engaged the little ones can't unlock and open the door while underway. The obverse of what you surmised is true...Jaguar didn't add a hidden feature, they simply bought smart and left well enough alone to save money.
@ToTheGarage
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input Scott👍
@anthonyclarke2393
4 жыл бұрын
hi jon many thanks for your videos on the xk8 really interesting and informative after just purchasing my 03 xk keep up the good work and i will be looking forward to many more
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do! Cheers Anthony👍
@throwback19841
Жыл бұрын
The second generation miata/mx-5 has a similar feature where you can lock the trunk using the key by turning the opposite way and it disables the cable-actuated trunk release in the cabin. It is meant so you can secure stuff in the trunk when parking with the top down, at least on the mx-5. I always put the top up when parking now that I have the remote soft top control from jagwrangler, but I've used that feature on my mx-5 before. As ford and mazda were buddies for a long time it wouldnt surprise me if there is some commonality there.
@711honved
2 жыл бұрын
I had the 'perfect storm'! Two weeks ago I put new Duracell batteries into my keyfobs & it immediately stopped working. Reprogramming had no effect! I then inadvertently hit the valet button, locking the boot with my whole life inside. The valet lock had never been used & seized tight. I then shoved the red tube from a can of GT85 into the lock, blasted it, wriggled key & left overnight. The following morning the black ignition key worked. My independent Jag technician will look at reprograming fobs. He said the designer of the red button was not fit to work on cars! In fact, nothing on a Jag is easy to work on & he believes this was done to allow dealers huge labour mark ups. Had I needed an angle grinder I would have said goodbye to the old girl after 16 years!
@ToTheGarage
2 жыл бұрын
The red button is a problem waiting to happen
@DedicatedJerk
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! A most intriguing xk8 secret.
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@harryscott1445
4 жыл бұрын
Hi John, As in a previous discussion, I regularly operate the boot lock manually. Use it or lose it.....
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
We cant spread the word on this wide enough or loud enough Harry. The number of emails I have from people who are locked out of their boot is amazing
@hewyn1
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Not sure how I’m going to show this new found knowledge off but great to learn how easily the boot trim comes away without actually exploding into a million bits. Gives me confidence. Cheers John!
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
No worries! Nick
@pinballtime7754
4 жыл бұрын
I think it was used on ford back doors “child safety lock” kids can’t open the door from inside of the car with the door handle but the driver/ adult can open it from the outside , but if you have adults in the back seat you would not activate that little red switch . jag just used in on the trunk / boot .
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jagvette1
4 жыл бұрын
I would guess its an added security feature that you can have set so that no one can electronically trap you remote signal to get into the boot.
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Its possible but I don't think that Signal tipping was a thing in 1996? I could well be wrong though!
@jagvette1
4 жыл бұрын
To The Garage or of course it could be mr ford had a load of locks left over and he did like Mr Lyons and used parts from other vehicles so as not to waste them and save money
@jaapwesterbeek
2 жыл бұрын
bit of an old post but my guess would be it is not a child-lock mechanism. I figure if you've lost a remote this would be a security feature where you can disable remote entry to your boot
@CharlesCampbell-q9r
Ай бұрын
John I have the same problem with the drivers door. It won't work with the remote but does with the key.When you try with the remote I just clicks,any tips. Charlie from Dingwall.
@chadcranfill
3 жыл бұрын
This seems like it could be part of the mechanism that enables valet mode. Have you tried tripping the mechanism and then putting the black key in the ignition snd turning one click?
@ToTheGarage
3 жыл бұрын
yes👍. But No😔. The red latch has no operating mechanism other than your finger.
@robertmcmillen4755
4 жыл бұрын
Just guessing. On most Fords, the lock is exposed. Perhaps it was a valet feature. Valet key doesn't open trunk lock, but release button on dash still operates release. Thus a cheap valet feature on Fords I have my wife park my XKR
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Its Possible, but The thought of getting out of the car, opening the boot, throwing a switch, closing the boot, and then giving someone else the key does not feel very James Bond tossing the key to a valet. (Like I have ever used a valet service🤣) Thanks Robert👍
@garethdavies7326
4 жыл бұрын
The yellow spots Halfords screwdrivers are Pozi, you should treat yourself to some blue spots, Phillips.
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
I need to review my screwdriver situation entirely actually Gareth. I have a collection of decent and dodgy and then also use bit drivers. I need to decide on the way forward and invest once and wisely.🤔 The Halfords stuff is OK actually but I have a soft spot for Wera and Wiha. Hope you will be at my virtual pub quiz on the 1st of May👍
@garethdavies7326
4 жыл бұрын
To The Garage I will but don’t know so much about Jags!
@faithkalekale2869
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Do you think you could help me with a problem? Please! My trunk won’t open, the key fob won’t open it, the button or car key?. Everything else works but I can’t seem to open to trunk! Any solutions
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Faith. Your best hope is to open the tiny key hole flap on the secret key hole in the XK8 badge with a pin or needle and skirt plenty of WD40 or other penetrating oil in there. Let it soak for a while and the put your BLACK handled jag key. (NOT GREEN) in there and wriggle. It should go a long way in. Cant stress enough how important it is to keep the key operated mechanism working as that is the get out of jail free card if the electrical systems fail. The Boot of an XK8 is like a vault and VERY VERY difficult to access by other means without cutting big holes. Is you Battery charged enough to start the car? (should have the power to open boot) Can you open the fuel flap? (if fuse was blown this would not work either)
@shaundoohan2395
2 жыл бұрын
I can't open the boot, even using the key in the hidden key hole. I can hear the release making a sound, but it is not releasing to allow opening of the boot. You mention this could be a big problem. I have that problem. What options do I have? You mentioned it could require drilling large holes. Where can I get more information about how to get the boot open, knowing that the button on the dash makes a sound, but does not release, and the same with the key in the hidden hole in the XK8 badge. The dash does show VALET Mode, and I have tried pressing the Valet button, but I still could not open the boot.
@ToTheGarage
2 жыл бұрын
Valet mode is what is preventing the boot from opening. It should be turned off by locking and unlocking the doors with the remote, and then using a genuine and correctly chipped BLACK ignition key to start the car .
@paulhinkley198
4 жыл бұрын
Anyway never mind the lock, how are your brakes now ?
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Short answer. Better! Still cant get out and about to really test them and do a report yet but detectably sharper and we will have to see re fade.
@Paul-tk2my
Ай бұрын
Is it okay to spray a bit of WD40 into the secret lock to look after it? I always wonder though if using it ‘washes out’ more appropriate, heavier lubricants
@ToTheGarage
Ай бұрын
Very light lubricants are the way to go with these locks👍. Indeed Contact cleaner (which strips oils) and compressed air is usually the best way to get them unstuck. The smallest piece of debris in the wrong place will jam them. Thicker oils will just collect debris
@Paul-tk2my
Ай бұрын
@@ToTheGarage Thanks very much John
@kirmp11
3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, absolutely love your ‘Videos’. So so informative, and, in lay mans language ! Have a problem with my ‘98 XKR ? Stationary, engine running, apply 1000/1500 RPM, car runs beautifully smooth. Then, apply Handbrake and foot brake(to stop car moving), put into gear. Apply 1000/1500RPM, engine misfires and ‘pops’ ?? Out on the road it gets worse as you increase power and speed ? Any Ideas John. Keep the videos coming. Best. Phil
@ToTheGarage
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Phil. Thanks for the kind words👍. hard to say for sure but sounds like a failing coil pack. Put a cheap OBDii reader into your diagnostic socket. If it gives any fault codes related to coils then thats the issue. dependant on how good the reader is it may even tell you which one👍
@kirmp11
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, i will give it a try...! Are the coil packs not ‘LIVE’ until you select a gear ? It seems strange that it runs smoothly UNTIL you select gear. I’m learning SOO MUCH about my XKR since finding your videos. Regards. Phil.
@kirmp11
3 жыл бұрын
John, not thought of getting my OWN OBDii scanner...any good cheap ones around that you recommend that will work on a ‘98XKR ?
@paulkane6645
4 жыл бұрын
I have no idea. Never seen it on a Ford. I wonder if it's a legacy feature from the old XJ ?
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Not thought to ask if anyone has checked this out on a X308 or an Aston Martin DB7. Maybe the sister cars hold the clues.!
@garyvanremortel5218
4 жыл бұрын
You're standing a little far away from the razor these days and looking more like you're retired, like me.
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Im treating lockdown as a try before you buy on retirement🤣. Turns out im pretty good at it👍
@JIMWSMITH
3 жыл бұрын
Child safety lock. These locks were used in other ford applications . It wasn't anymore to produce because it had uses in different models. Nothing bizarre about it at all.
@mistermikeanson
4 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I can't solve the mystery but maybe I can add to it! The wiring in your boot has several pieces of black gaffer tape holding it in place. I have the same untidy stuff in my boot. I thought that maybe in the past, someone had done some wiring repairs on my car, but I'm not sure. Was that black tape factory original or is it some after-sales activity?
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. It is definitely as it left the factory. My 1997 XK8 had the identical bits of gaffer in the self same places. I will have to see if I can show a side by side picture of both.👍👍
@deloisrichardson6054
3 жыл бұрын
I have a jaguar type the will not open, what can I do? P-type 2005
@ToTheGarage
3 жыл бұрын
I am unaware of a P-type Delois
@mickeymonk4549
4 жыл бұрын
The reason the screwdriver is slipping on the screw is because you are using a Pozidrive screwdriver on a Phillips head screw. Do you know the difference between Phillips and Pozidrive?
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@brianoneill7636
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@staceysikes8530
3 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me why when I push the trunk button it beeps and won’t open by the remote either?
@ToTheGarage
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like its in Valet mode. It should be turned back off if you are using a black handled genuine key to start the car though?
@wendyhorne7706
4 жыл бұрын
Hi do you know where I can source a micro switch for the interior boot lights without going to a main dealer?
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
SNG Barrat or British Parts. However none will sell you one cheap. try autoreservejauar.com They are a specialist breaker and may have used ones
@wendyhorne7706
4 жыл бұрын
@@ToTheGarage oh that's a great help, thanks very much for advising ☺️
@rickyyoung3256
4 жыл бұрын
John. I’m more than will to send a fee to help you get your project up and running Ricky’s
@ToTheGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vote of confidence Ricky. Just gauging opinion at the moment
@haroldhensley8702
2 жыл бұрын
Gearbox lock
@ToTheGarage
2 жыл бұрын
?
@terrystratford1235
3 жыл бұрын
I guess if u r a drug dealer, be god sent if police wana check ur boot! Sorry officer, boot don't open!
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