As the prices of "brand name" watches continue to climb into the clouds, and these "homages" are so amazing in quality, the "debate" about these really becomes valid. It's not as simple as it used to be like 5 years ago.
@dankrix3384
2 жыл бұрын
If I had money for the ‘real’ watch, I’d buy seven homages instead. The Swiss brands take off each other’s designs constantly but there aren’t many complaints. The Chinese watches are well made, continually improving and unbeatable value. What does it actually mean to be loyal to a brand anyhow? Half are just names that have been bought and sold multiple times.
@michaelcozens7537
2 жыл бұрын
Both the current Doxa company and this SeeStern have nothing to do with the original Doxa watches. Both are made in China, this one with a Japanese movement the other with an ETA movement. All homages are just copies, but why pay €2k as opposed to €200 when neither are the real thing. I’ll take the SeeStern in this instance.
@cecilyau4440
2 жыл бұрын
Have to admit that it was kind of fun hearing your angst over this watch 😉. I like these “homages” a lot, and I use them more often as mod bases. I think anyone who gets super worked up about these homages should just lighten up a bit. This is just a fun hobby we should all enjoy and not take too seriously 👍.
@danspanos
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! No one ever seems to make fun of my Ford that looks just like the Lioncoln version minus the nameplate, and some internal upgrades! 🍻
@oktc68
Жыл бұрын
No one that's a Doxa fan is going to mistakenly buy one of these. No one else has heard of Doxa or Seestern and many would think you'd taken leave of your senses if you bought the Swiss option. I have several ETA 2824-2 or Sellita SW200 movement watches, yes the smooth sweep is nice but that's the only advantage they have over Seiko's NH35A masterpiece. My V3 sub 300t runs at +3 SPD every time I wear it, and I've just got Seestern's Sub 600t which gains about a second within 3 hours of fully winding but is spot on again at 8am the next day. (Accuracies quoted are based on 24 hours continuous wear, and making sure that movement is fully wound. I use an online UTC clock as a reference) These are great watches, well made, they probably get Doxa some brand awareness. In China ideas aren't important, execution is. Seestern have nailed the execution (at least by V3 they have)
@clontstable1
Жыл бұрын
@@oktc68 I own several Swiss watches, Christopher Ward & Davosa, with SW-200 movements. Great movements, but they only have 38 hr power reserves & have a major flaw. If you overwind them, the teeth on a gear inside will grind off. For 2K, you’d think Doxa would put an upgraded movement in their watches.
@clontstable1
Жыл бұрын
@@oktc68 I own several SW200 watches as well. I love them all, but I need to limit winding them because I might strip out an important gear in the movement. This is the Achilles Heal of these movements.
@clontstable1
Жыл бұрын
If Doxa isn’t careful, it will price itself out of the market. I’ve got an incoming Seestern in Tiffany Blue. The NH35 in these puppies, IMHO, are on par with the basic SW-200s in the Doxas, both solid movements, but nothing special.
@yannskyseventies
2 жыл бұрын
As far as i know doxa changed ownership a couple of times and the current ones are homages to the original ones too.. they just have the right to use the name.. it’s not like it’s made in the original doxa manufacture… if there was one ever..
@petervong2320
Жыл бұрын
I bought one. This same exact watch. After a month, yes it works fine. I am sure the quality is good. But no matter what is said, its a Chinese knock off. Nothing more. It feels cheap, It makes me feel fake...it is fake. Its just a sad watch statement. I wish I had saved the $200 and put it towards a real watch like a Hamilton, etc.
@ad78
Жыл бұрын
just ordered @ aliexpress and now the price is $152. Orange V3 shipped in US.
@steveyoung101
2 жыл бұрын
It is a good watch. I don't mind wearing the Seestern's homage. For those who don't have much money, why not? I think it is better than the Seiko Sport 5.
@Splash111
2 жыл бұрын
Watch manufacturers of "high end" watches have priced themselves out of the market for the average person. The rich will continue to buy them. Me..I'll take a replica, homage, copy...whatever....and NOT worry about it if it gets scratched. I buy them because I like the watch, NOT the name. Granted a high end watch is made with better materials etc...but at this day and age?...and at these prices?.....who cares.
@morgan97475
2 жыл бұрын
Given the current dangers of wearing an expensive watch, there's something to be said for having a less expensive homage on your wrist. This one doesn't look bad at all.....and is a functional diver.
@shaunpatryck
2 жыл бұрын
It's doesn't matter that the watch is designed off another. The fact that people can't bring themselves to like them or think there's something nefarious to it all are just strange. You are literally getting a watch made to the highest quality and it's wait for It 200.... just embrace it and enjoy the fact you're not getting shafted ($1500) by the name of the brand.
@ianmarshall3633
Жыл бұрын
This a great piece. In fact I liked it so much I bought two! I have the orange and the blue variant. Fantastic value for money at the tenth of the price of the Doxa. I can highly recommend Seestern.
@MrTw2009
7 ай бұрын
How do you like the color of the blue variant? I really like that shade of blue.
@danspanos
2 жыл бұрын
The proper term is homage. It's looks are unmistakeable, but there are differences, including the name, and case shape is slightly different. Personally, I have no problem with them. I actually have a few I wear as beater watches. Unlike you, I can't bring myself to mow the lawn in my Oris! 😂
@kelvinlau09
2 жыл бұрын
Dude, did I see a gasket on the screw crown?😱
@JohnnyMullinsathome
2 жыл бұрын
I have always wanted the other brand but could never justify buying one. I now have the Seestern in blue and am extremely happy with it!
@pinkbono
5 ай бұрын
I could never wrap my head over the price of the D. in regard to the outdated design and technology applied, so I've purchased one of those Seestern lately, first time ever I'm buying a replica and I'm amazed by the value for the price.
@CraigG21
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah baby - lumed date wheel 👊
@JeffreyMcMahon
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of diver watch guys love orange dials and at this price a lot of diver watch guys won't be able to ignore this. Thanks for the excellent overview.
@Mark-fb9zo
2 жыл бұрын
Buy what makes you happy, it's as simple as that 👍
@justinheaton1570
2 жыл бұрын
I own the mother of pearl dial which has a great sunburst effect. I picked mine up a couple of months ago in the UK for £150. I own a couple of homage watches, like you said for the money they're great beater watches. Keep up the good work..
@Brajin1
2 жыл бұрын
Some of these Ali brands are building some good watches. Doesn’t bother me they are images. I scooped up the San Martin Bronze Willard. Love that thing, if Seiko made that watch, easy 2-3K for for it.
@cecilyau4440
2 жыл бұрын
I bought this exact watch as well, but I did end up selling it. Turns out I don’t particularly like the Willard case shape (Sacrilege! 😳), but the San Martin quality was excellent. So much so that I bought 2 San Martin bronze Submariner homages to mod. Absolutely love the warm patina developing on both cases.
@joed3613
2 жыл бұрын
I got into this video a few minutes in and got past the lumed date window when I realized it was not a Doxa.
@tezzanewton
2 жыл бұрын
In Australia, the Doxa is $3900. There’s no fecking way I’m spending that much on a bloody watch. I’m getting the Seestern.
@ProjectSerpo90
8 ай бұрын
Did you end up buying one? I just ordered mine last night, no way i was passing this up for the price.
@tezzanewton
8 ай бұрын
@@ProjectSerpo90 yeah I got one, and it’s a great watch. Awesome bang for buck. Let me know how you like it mate.
@a_z.tazzzfan8497
2 жыл бұрын
Here's another analogy... A #'s matching 65 Shelby Cobra can set you back $500k+ to well over $1m. Not everyone has that in their bank account to spend at their leisure. Now, a 65 Shelby Cobra replica will set you back about $75k, give or take. Does this mean that the buyer of the Replica due to limited $$ resources is any less of an enthusiast than the one that bought the original?
@underachievingwatchcollect1878
2 жыл бұрын
I’d like a Rolex milsub but I’ll never afford one-homage to the rescue 🛟.
@edteach3r
2 жыл бұрын
As it is becoming evident that “the other brand” is in fact mainly Chinese in manufacture, the Seestern becomes even more appealing. I am with you, Rob… I tied to make a case for the other, but their prices are just so exorbitant.
@slicknick332
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love my Seestern Orange dial. Gotten lots of compliments, and just like you said, it was around $200. Accurate, easy to read, and wears very comfortably. Also, the company seems to keep making improvements/changes as they go. I remember when they announced the other dials like pearl, etc. : )
@HeadRusch1
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure 1000 years ago a couple of guys were arguing over one copying the design of the other's Sun Dial........ :)
@RandomRobReviews
2 жыл бұрын
Lol. Love this
@IndyClark2
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great review! Sold me…just ordered my Seestern 300T. Had to go orange.
@reub0356
Жыл бұрын
The little mini hand pointing out the gaskets 😂😂😂 love it ! Great honest review…
@RandomRobReviews
Жыл бұрын
The pointer gets it done! Haha
@OmairArif
2 жыл бұрын
Sugess and Seestern are sister brands. Also the word Seestern is German for Starfish.
@bscottking
9 ай бұрын
Yep & pronounced “Zeeshtern” 👍
@PaulewingStHelens
2 жыл бұрын
You can’t knock them, they’re pretty good, actually very good watches. I’ve had a few homages and they’re fun. That’s it though. I’ve found I didn’t really take to wearing them and pined for the real thing. My take on them is if you want to know it you’d really want something like a Doxa and are worried about the sort of money it will cost for you to find out then buy one of these to see how you feel about it. Wear it for a few weeks and you’ll know wether to cough up the cash for the real deal.
@danlutter8061
2 жыл бұрын
This sums up my thoughts perfectly.
@ProjectSerpo90
8 ай бұрын
Just ordered mine direct from them. Under $170. I don’t even care if it takes the full 3 weeks to arrive, its totally worth it for the value. I needed an orange dial diver in the collection and was going to go with a Monster until i saw this little beauty. Not to mention it also has BGW9 which none of my current watches have. Thanks for this Rob!
@underachievingwatchcollect1878
2 жыл бұрын
The sad part is most of a Doxa watch (less the movement) is also made in China 🇨🇳-possibly from the same factory 😎!
@inglebybhoy3293
2 жыл бұрын
Many agree. So, allegedly the Doxa is an homage to the old Swiss made Doxa watches.
@jonasjung256
2 жыл бұрын
Don’t know if you’ve seen on their website but under the Sugess name they sell a… whatever you want to call it of a Zenith Chronomaster Revival using the Seagull movement, for $250 shipped really a very nice watch. Planning on one of these next.
@jodysilvia2
2 жыл бұрын
$190 bucks is cheap for a decent automatic watch.
@4Memf2dafizzo
2 жыл бұрын
Great review Rob. It seems to me that some hate on these types of watches because they are too concerned about what others would say if they bought one. True watch enthusiasts appreciate watches far beyond just the name that's on the dial and value-per-dollar is right at the top. That's why I love this hobby because I buy what "I" like and that's all that matters.
@ichris2011
2 жыл бұрын
This watch has fully ruined doxa as a brand to me. They matched nearly every spec, and even outdid doxa on a couple (lume, drilled lugs, etc) for less than $200. I just can’t for the life of me figure out where the extra $1500 for the real deal goes
@misterwatch8241
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think so u can't compare this to a Swiss made ETA Doxa.Its also a 1200m certified professional diver that's where the extra money goes.
@ichris2011
2 жыл бұрын
@@misterwatch8241 true but an eta 2824 is around $200. I’d imagine less for companies buying in bulk. And when there are Chinese brands making watches water resistance to 1000m and more for less than $300 (look up the video of the cronos 1000m being tested in a pressure chamber) I still don’t see a $1500 difference.
@misterwatch8241
2 жыл бұрын
@@ichris2011 That's the way the world works most watches you buy from jewellers they bought for a fraction of selling price.
@misterwatch8241
2 жыл бұрын
@@ichris2011 That's the way the world works the jewellery shop prob buy the Doxa for $400 ;)
@laurencehogg6010
2 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you exactly where it goes. A tiny, tiny proportion of it is a contribution to fixed costs Seestern doesnt have e.g. warranty administration. Yes, you get a warranty with a Seestern watch but its worth nothing. The rest of it, 99% of it, is directors bonuses and dividends to investors.
@stu632
8 ай бұрын
Doxa makes these for
@GregShields
2 жыл бұрын
I have had one of these for two weeks now and absolutely love it. The amazing thing is that it has not lost one second in two weeks. UNREAL!
@bikertrash.7692
Жыл бұрын
Reallllyyyyy!!!!! My Seiko turtle Lost 20 secs a day!!!!!! While my CITIZENS are extremally accurate
@dazzlerjohnwatchman8215
Жыл бұрын
Rob, Well i guess i ping pong between love and hate for Ali Express Watch company. In the 80's I had lots of Vostok watches even though the Russians used Swiss machinery from the 1950's to build crap quality homages. Since the 2010s I have bought many Chinese watches. Why? I am a watch addict. I need my hit. So yes I bought a Seestern, The first one had a broken movement and I sent it back for a refund, Instead they gave me a better one that works, is accurate and well built. I agree with you Rob, lets buy what appeals and enjoy it. For major brands drop your ridiculous prices and compete.
@CyberRabid.
4 ай бұрын
Set the eta 2824-2 movement in the Doxa aside and the Seestern is actually a better watch. I personally have no problem with the Seiko NH35. The lower vph preserves components of the movement making it last longer between services.
@kimchiwasabee
Жыл бұрын
Good review.
@you_cant_see_me_3000
2 жыл бұрын
This is by far your best video ever!
@retardinho5048
2 жыл бұрын
If you think, that most Swiss watch companies manufacture their watches in Switzerland, you’re wrong. China produces most steel goods and made everything so cheap, it’s often not feasible for western manufacturers. Plus more profit for them. And it’s easy to outmaneuver the „Swiss made“ condition.
@datnguyen5463
2 жыл бұрын
They lume the date wheel, guys... 🤣
@TheDistinctGentleman
Жыл бұрын
I look at these as a watch that is a current version of a watch that is no longer made by the company that originally made the watch. Doxa from the 60's does not exist today so even a gen Doxa is just a Doxa by Name. Even Synchron released the Synchron Military which looks just like the Doxa Army. Which is the gen? It might be a Seestern by name but in some way to me is even more close to the early models than Doxa's of today. For the price is is an unbelievable watch.
@Mrdonein1take
5 ай бұрын
Been watching for years... Just launched my new channel!!!
@remmont3984
Жыл бұрын
This watch looks very "inspired" by Seiko turtle.
@cmitt8883
2 жыл бұрын
Seastern is the best value I've seen in a long while.
@djapojunior
2 жыл бұрын
I recently got a Yellow V2 and it's a great watch, killer for the price! Don't regret buying it, at least until one day when/if I can get a Doxa. 😅
@farshidrahmani6262
2 жыл бұрын
Haahaa. Rob’s getting frustrated looking at a “good value watch” 😂 A true watch enthusiast. Cheers 🍻
@thumbs4fingers
2 жыл бұрын
I have been wearing mine for the last 2 months, very happy with it. Just a little top heavy. Thanks Rob.
@pinkbono
5 ай бұрын
The original is not light weight either :)
@dannymurzea
2 жыл бұрын
Got the blue one on sale for $150. Not mad.
@brianjoseph1818
2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 doxas yet missed the train on the synchron military. Gonna get the seestern version. I think theres a lumed dial option 😀 as well. I've seen plenty of doxa lovers on forums that enjoy the heck out of the homages especially the marinez Samui with the titanium cases and other dial variants like the Irish star .
@dgHandcrafted
9 ай бұрын
Do you want the tool or do you want the status symbol attached to the tool
@villagranvicent
Жыл бұрын
"Homage" is an elegant word for "knock-off". Anyway it would be more like CLONEAGE lol
@RandomRobReviews
Жыл бұрын
Haha “clone age”
@marioboglione
2 жыл бұрын
Appealing, however there is a reason why they are dead cheap….
@S-Ltd1000
2 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for the reasons.
@jacobt1027
Жыл бұрын
@@S-Ltd1000 Made in china by 8 year olds
@Smokey_A
2 жыл бұрын
How many brands sell SKX style case watches of various flavors, including Long Island Watch? That's pretty well accepted at this point.
@RandomRobReviews
2 жыл бұрын
Solid point. It’s a great time to be into watches. So many choices
@XxLordDaegonxX
Жыл бұрын
I wish they would make a sub 200 homage
@jerryjensen6430
2 жыл бұрын
I really like the Coral blue and may pick it up! My watch budget is very low so affordable watches really let me enjoy watches similar to the originals. I have a Matic diver with PT5000 it was $190 and I no longer want a Seamaster as I am totally happy with the Matic.
@gustomundo
2 жыл бұрын
Its a copy. It is what it is... I bought one tho.
@ianstockdale964
10 ай бұрын
What is the strap on the surges. Very nice
@CraigG21
2 жыл бұрын
Love the clean white indices, not like the brand it looks like (which uses an off-white color). 👍
@joeylopez7978
2 жыл бұрын
Lol I really like how he tried very hard not to mention that the only problem is that it's from Chy-na.
@minnkonamike6658
2 жыл бұрын
It's a spec monster and well worth having.
@zaskarclf
2 жыл бұрын
I bought one during the last AliExpress sale. It's awesome. I'll never be able to afford a real doxa and this one really scratches the itch nicely. I'm gonna get a yellow one next and eventually a blue. There so affordable they're like dam potato chips. I wish they didn't use that Sugess brand on their other line of watches cuz I would pick up their zenith Chrono homage, but that name 🤪 I hope they do a 200. I'll be all over them.
@datta55
2 жыл бұрын
do you mind if i ask you what the price was during the ali sale?. its currently 178 on ali. Was yours cheaper?
@zaskarclf
2 жыл бұрын
@@datta55 sorry for the late reply. I paid 169 shipped. Helluva bargain at normal price even better on sale.
@NicholasSadlier
2 жыл бұрын
I've known about this brand (and this homage) for a year or so. It's one of the better quality homage brands for sure. When you compare the specs and quality relative to price with that other watch, there just isn't a contest. When you strip everything else away, that leaves you with brand logo, prestige and heritage. Many will say paying so much more money for these intangibles is worth it. But if you have the money to buy a luxury car like, say, a Ferrari, NOBODY is going to buy that thing if it doesn't have the specs to match and has a max speed of 60 mph... even if it has the Ferrari badge. So why in the watch world? 😉
@danspanos
2 жыл бұрын
The key term in your paragraph is "if you have the money". 😉 Then again, I don't know anyone who can afford a Ferrari either! 😂
@marvinmartinez2637
2 жыл бұрын
That real nice .it look solid
@hcwm2
2 жыл бұрын
I don't blame you for being surprised. The rate of improvement with some Ali express brands over the last two years or so is absolutely insane. In terms of build quality brands like San Martin have become absolutely on par with let's say Oris for example. Sometimes they are trying out original designs of their own now, besides the usual homages.
@ryanstafford8544
2 жыл бұрын
Keep it clean! Lol. Can’t deny the value especially if you are on the fence for a larger purchase and want to test drive first.
@hillbillyluxury2691
2 жыл бұрын
If anything these homage brands are a good thing because they force the original brand to upgrade their watches. Better finishing, better lume, better bracelet and if they don't then they will lose money
@Zotrax1946
Жыл бұрын
I get your point 👍🏻
@williamrizzo1285
2 жыл бұрын
That lumed date wheel is killer!
@weasle6
2 жыл бұрын
They are good. I have one and the 62 MAS red on Bracelet. Fantastic.
@Warioda
2 жыл бұрын
As long as it is not illegal... YOU DO YOU.
@MrShinobi797
2 жыл бұрын
If you think that's wild Rob...you should check out Proxima. They have a Marine Master Homage...its GOOD. 👌
@zulu6ix290
2 жыл бұрын
Lol watch that looks like another watch!!! I agree the whole homage bs copy debate is tired. You like it cool.
@rpsingh9625
2 жыл бұрын
Hook me up bro...
@HuyPham-io4vu
Жыл бұрын
Finally! You have joined the homage side. I’ve seen homages that blow originals out of the water. Maybe a part of your channel devoted to homage reviews that you like?
@BAF605
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone should check out a video done by the UK channel "The Watch Guys" about the "other brand". He has some interesting things to say especially about his interactions with their HQ.
@sinjinadams2862
Жыл бұрын
I know what you're saying about these watches. I initially felt the same way. I'm not buying some cheap Chinese ripoff of a real watch! Then I got one in hand and realized, man, this is a really nice watch. It's not at all what I expected. My whole outlook changed. I actually just purchased this watch during the Ali Express Cyber Monday sale for $162 US dollars! Fantastic deal, fantastic watch!
@dred5581
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@johnv8214
2 жыл бұрын
Are we being taken for a ride by the big brands? Better lume than watches costing many times more, sapphire crystal and the like. I'll buy another Seiko! 😁
@patfitzsimmons-rosolak1990
2 жыл бұрын
If you look into the history of watches, most watches benefit from the design of other watches. All of them! Rolex, Omega, the whole lot. I say bravo to those companies who make quality watches at realistic prices.
@stejskalstejskal6180
2 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for this review Rob and thank you for appreciatting Seestern
@richardbrown8099
11 ай бұрын
I have an orange doxa sub 300t, and a yellow seestern which is great for the price, only the clasp lets it down.
@andrewquick1609
2 жыл бұрын
😅 Welcome Rob - as you said yourself, "call it whatever you want, these are just good watches"
@chrisjohns2210
2 жыл бұрын
Cool to see you enjoying these watches. I’ve been a Sugess fanboy for about 3 years now. I also have this same orange Seestern and it’s a great watch.
@yourmombomb
Жыл бұрын
I bought the same exact watch and it is definitely a nice piece. I had to laugh because I think me and everyone else watching this video felt the same way to some degree. Rarely do you get more than you pay for and I think this watch is an exception with everything it offers.
@matthewbessey681
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve purchased two watches from AliExpress, a Cadisen with sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel and automatic miyota mvmt for £50 ! And bought myself the pagani “black bay” and I love it ! Just crazy value for the money !
@oktc68
Жыл бұрын
Alot of people aren't going to know that it's a copy of another watch. I bought one of these, it's a really well made watch, quality is better than many well known brands costing £500 (the Seestern costs £150) that's a helluva lot of watch for peanuts. Buy one before WW3
@zezem
2 жыл бұрын
I got the MOP dial because the 'other' brand don't do that and it looks original. There is a lot to like. Only gripe is there isn't enough real estate on the hour hand for lume, so that is first to go.
@juancarlosmendoza4587
10 ай бұрын
What do you call the strap you had for the toptime sugess?
@RandomRobReviews
10 ай бұрын
Xeric. Not sure they sell the exact one anymore
@juancarlosmendoza4587
7 ай бұрын
Thank you bud
@killertaxi100
2 жыл бұрын
I think you need to check out San Martin (and Proxima) Rob! 😉
@Daniel-bv2wc
2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna get the doxa, but after seeing the way the bracelet kinks up on the wrist I will get the seestern instead
@Linuxwarlord
2 жыл бұрын
Got the orange 🍊 dial, do more of such videos Rob! 👊😉
@_taxman_
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Where can you get integrated rubber straps?
@Zeus-kj7nn
Жыл бұрын
I can really feel where you are in this watch journey. Brilliant.
@hankhillsnrrwurethra
2 жыл бұрын
We are at Peak Chinese Watch get em while you can
@fakenewsisthenews3542
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it true the bezel pip doesn't have lume or something? So not really dive worthy?
@fakenewsisthenews3542
2 жыл бұрын
Oops, I see it's lumed. Must be that other homage then
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